3. Ive seen unrefutable proof of cutter charges. Its at abotu 3:33 on the Hoboken 6 minute new preview of 9/11 eyewitness. They arent "pieces of paper", they arent "reflections"...they are a flurry of bright charges. People talk about "squibs", the real smoking gun is the bright flashes going off in the WTC 1, 2 and WTC 7 collapses.
pockybot | 07.04.06 - 9:46 am | #

I've seen that clip too, in fact I thought the whole film was extraordinary, Why when I raised it on this site was the subject ignored? We are talking about some of the most stunning footage
on video of the wtc collapses. if I didn't know better I might think....no, Andrew, that's not the way to be thinking,

1. EXCELLENT idea about the WWF Raw "9/11 Truth" signs! Never even thought of that. Man, millions of people seeing that sign, ouch.

2. I wore my "9/11 Neocon Agenda" shirt around San Francisco today, and was surprised how many people knew what was up. Very encouraging, especially since so many are still simply in the "Bush is an idiot/stop the war" mode. Im calling for a massive demonstration on 9/11

3. Ive seen unrefutable proof of cutter charges. Its at abotu 3:33 on the Hoboken 6 minute new preview of 9/11 eyewitness. They arent "pieces of paper", they arent "reflections"...they are a flurry of bright charges. People talk about "squibs", the real smoking gun is the bright flashes going off in the WTC 1, 2 and WTC 7 collapses.

Chris... that story would be interesting if Osama was alive.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.03.06 - 7:39 pm | #
HAHA, yeah, speaking of which, did the CIA verify the latest "Bin Laden" tape as being authentic? hahahahaha, what a joke.

We already have an insider saying that WTC-7 was brought down via controlled demolition. His name is Larry "pull-it" Silverstein.

Each month people's temperature rises. I suppose that One of the weaker points of resistance is the fact that so many people are walking into NYC clinics with resparatory illness. I really do hate to sound like a complete jerk, but this is the nature of marketing. I come from that brutal school of design; the place where every project is potentially a "Concubine," AND a "Columbine," all at the same time. So, we figure out how to make an impact. That's what sells. Trump said it this way: "Always use your leverage."

Today, "Trump Palace" a $1.8B Atlantic City casino is dark. That's the price of his having gone to war with the single-minded goal of "destroying" his competetion. While, "Avis" simply says: "We're #2."

It just seems we require a solid 'strategy,' and I know I'm not the best team-player. I come up with plenty of creative, but never want to enter the office of the Account Exec! It's OK to be an accomplice, as long as 'the project' really is above board, as we are here. None of us would say; ENRON- shoot them all! Most of those guys were just happy to be getting by. They didn't need the 'hush'-money, or a bigger yacht.

I am but an 'un-compensated' outsider, someone who witnessed too much. I've already proven to the Masters that they got exactly what the paid for from me. That goes for Clinton on down! Bill won't look me in the eye, not since '82, when I called the entire Arkansas Senate "Crooks." His people were either supremely stupid, or way overpaid, and you can take that to the bank with CIA-Hillary! I knew Vince because he had lunch with my dad at the Whitewater. Totally stable, great looking, confident. About as likely to committ suicide as Jim, or Alex.

Sorry for that rant. My latest sign idea reads:

"FEAR 9/11 TRUTH"

can someone give me a good link to a list of prominenet 9/11 skeptics? im on some board with some republicans who think that 9/11 truth is something only "tinfoil hat liberals" pursue, i want to show him Paul Craig Roberts, Bowman etc. and their credentials. thanks.

And don't forget Steve Jones: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

nice, thanks GW.

look at the google video first its hard to see when you don't know were to look. if you don't see them give me your e-mail and i will send the snapshots to you
Gr

the first explosion you see in the two movies is definitly a cutter charge (can you say it in singular?). it reminds me of the flash you can see after exactly 2 minutes into this movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1840058038507754977&q=louder+th...

And if i remember correctly it also corresponds with the curve of the corner that can be seen when the top of the south tower starts to tilt. i think it was Jim Hoffman who pointed this out on his website.
Gr

WingTV is back on the scholars site. yay.

WingTV is back on the scholars site. yay.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.03.06 - 7:23 pm | #
dman, that sucks.

damn, im dyslexic when i type.

Zarqawi's wife: Al Qaeda sold him out
Says al-Qaeda saw him as too powerful, U.S. to relax hunt for Osama in return.

http://www.rawstory.com/comments/17000.html

I like the poll about the top ten "objections".

Would suggest also another poll on the top ten most convincing reasons for further criminal investigation.

Yes, I have thought about leaving... but I can't afford it... and I like it here. America IS beautiful (listen to that version of Ray's put up here a while back)and it can still be the beacon of hope, liberty, freedom and more. I'd like to have an escape hatch, though... but I think of my children, and their future children, and those I love, and I'll go down fighting as necessary.

Chris... that story would be interesting if Osama was alive.

I see the purpose of that story as, "The United States is diligently trying to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden" as opposed to, "We're really not that concerned about him".

WingTV is back on the scholars site. yay.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.03.06 - 7:23 pm | #
dman, that sucks.
Chris | Homepage | 07.03.06 - 7:30 pm | #

^ F*cking kidding?! What's up with that, how can Fetzer be surprised that people are questioning his and the websites credibility, when he's linking to those Assclowns? Not impressed Dr Fetzer if youÂ’re reading!!

I have put 3 of the 4 snapshots on this webpage: http://forum.politics.be/showthread.php?p=1800066#post1800066
So now you know what to look for when you watch the video.
The first picture is the one that can be seen in both videos
Gr

1: The Government "Would Never"

2: There would have to be too many people involved

3: You're dishonoring the victims

4: You're trying to make money off of the tragedy

5: A Missile did not hit the Pentagon

6: Why hasn't the media covered it?

7: The perceived meaning of the word "Conspiracy", and the perceived meaning of the phrase, "Conspiracy Theory"

8: We hate our country

9: We don't support the troops

10: WE ARE NUTTY, CRAZY, LUNATICS

That was my submission to the site.

Regarding Al-Zarqawi wife's interview, you guys are missing an important point from the AP story:

"On Monday, an Iraqi legislator said authorities found telephone numbers of senior officials in al-Zarqawi's cell phone after his death. Waiel Abdul-Latif, a member of former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's party, did not give names of the officials. But he said they included ministry employees and members of parliament.

He called for an investigation, saying Iraqis "cannot have one hand with the government and another with the terrorists."

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/9709/Al_Zarqawi_s_connections

Murray,

recently I noticed in one South Tower collapse video what appeared to be numerous quick, small flashes behind the smoke just as the top of the tower started to tilt and drop. And in the "Visibility 911 Interviews Kevin Barrett" comment thread here someone posted a hi-res video of WTC 7 collapsing, which also may show some flashes. Please check it out.

Murray:

http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi

This hi-resolution video, by the way, is *extremely* worthy of distribution. Make everyone you know plus their dog see it.

I think the flashes might be cutter charges.

On the other hand, in this http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi clip of WTC7, a window or piece of metal is tossed up in the air, reflects brightly, and then crashes down. So all of the flashes could be windows or pieces of metal?

GW, I see several flashes on the building's front facing the camera -- on the right side of the front edifice -- a few seconds into the collapse.

And I was talking about the WTC 7 video:

http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi

I, too, can see the piece flying in the air at the end, but I didn't mean that with the flashes.

Vesa: thanks for the best clip I've yet seen of WTC 7 collapse.

Vesa, GW, What I'd like to know is this: why, on the main side facing the viewer (NOT the right side with the supposed squibs) are a vertical row of windows blowing out? Look at it: They seem to be blowing out in just that particular area. What could be reasonably surmised by this phenomenon?

Alex and all. I don't know. I'm going to pass this high-res version onto people with better eyes (and knowledged) than me:)

I see now that this link: http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...tml#southtower
didn't guide you directly to the video. It's the first video on the link that you need to see. And then look for the snapshots i have put on this page: http://forum.politics.be/showthread.php?p=1800122#post1800122
Those are definitly no reflections.
1)There on the shadowside
2)I made a selection by not taking flashes as an example when they are in between the dustclouds or the splintering debree
3)because the first explosion can also be seen in this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...72&q=wtc+south
it can not be a reflection
Gr,
MURRAY

The vertical row seems to go up in tandem with the "squibs" on the right side. Perhaps the vertical row is part of the same phenomenon as the squibs, just looks different because it is seen from the front (and perhaps the explosions do not prodrude so much as on the right side)?

Ok once more:
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#southtower
this is the link for the first video

Vesa, I see what you mean regarding the tandem blow-outs.

My understanding of the physics of collapsing buildings is average at best.
I'd love to hear a structural engineer explain why that particular right side area is blowing out. I'm not saying that as a challenge - I really want to know, whether it supports CD or not.

Murray: there are flashes in the WTC 7 video that Vesa provided as well. Again, I would like someone with far more knowledge than I explain what they could be... electrical... reflections... detonations, etc.

In the mean time, I will continue to talk about known facts to the uninformed, and leave the speculation to "in house" discussions.

Indeed i think the main objectif for 9/11 truth needs to be the improvement of the quality of the evidence provided and not just the presentation of a large quantity of assumptions. This being said i do think that the flash seen in this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6616194964081527372&q=wtc+south
is strong evidence for the CD aproach (and this goes as well for wtc7 as vesa's link shows).
And yes, when a demolition expert would say these are explosions the arguments would gain a lot af credibility. But i don't know any experts in that field, do you?
Gr

This thread began on the note of our "MARKETING" issues, something very important to address all by itself. The pollster requests that we begin by helping in establishing the known objections to our reasoning. This is good, and it may play a small part in the broader context of creating a real 'P.R.' campaign, but once again, EVERYBODY gets derailed in the minute details. Am I better off at Freewayblogger?

I thought that would get your attention. In my case I assure you I would be most effective there, but what about my rapport with the straight-shooters? Would they understand guerrilla marketing 102? Both Steven and Alex Jones have the propensity to speak to the intelligensia. ($50. words required.) Good on them mate!

Meanwhile, we got signs that didn't do anything like what we needed at the time. Who was buying: "Endless War, Fiscal Ruin..?" at that time?

Nobody, that's who. And criticisms waged at AJ are sometimes very well merited. Mom, (it's her mac) sends 1,000 Huffington-bound e'mails a week. Will she stand a minute of Alex's voice playing in the background? Hell no. Betty Bumpers and Helen Caldicott started the group, do you think mom has even considered talking to these front-runners about taking up the root of the cause? -Again, hell no.

"Why then should any of us have spent the past 4.5 years doing anything but watching Network News?"

OK, once you can encompass this grand conundrum with a solid 'marketing-premise' it may not be as big an elephant as we've made it.
As far as Iraq goes, we first have to attack the classic, 'chicken-and-the-egg.'

Ps.: "No-planers, and Physicists" are certifiably the world's worst 'marketers.' We, however, must first revere the objective notions of selling snow-cones to Eskimos!