NIST says "NO" to debate

Change in Venue or Date will not Alter Decision

...After three separate mailings of hard copy invitations to the NIST scientists, on June 8, 2006 the Muckraker Report received e-mail from NIST that said, “The project leaders of the NIST World Trade Center investigation team respectfully decline your invitations to participate in the National 9/11 Debate on September 16, 2006.” Not to be deterred, on June 20, 2006 the Muckraker Report e-mailed Michael E. Newman, NIST Director of Media Relations, and asked if there was a better date, time, and location for NIST to participate in the National 9/11 Debate.

On June 25, 2006, NIST Director of Media Relations, Michael E. Newman responded:

The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision...

How lame is that?

They know for a fact that

They know for a fact that they would be OWNED is why.
Personally I take their stand as an admission to fraud.

It is better to remain

It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

The members of the NIST WTC

The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision...
How lame is that?

Oh, it's not only lame, it's OUTRAGEOUS! There are exceedingly important issues with their NIST report. Who the hell are these frauds to declare that the case is now closed???

Re-open it immediately!!!

Anyone have a link to the

Anyone have a link to the recent zogby poll? I'm doing a search on www.zogby.com but can't seem to find it.

Cowards and professional

Cowards and professional liars.

Hell, even flat-earthers and creationists will debate! I guess the difference is that when they're proven wrong based on the facts, they can fall back on "faith," and NIST wouldn't have that cop-out.

Today CNN is in a panic

Today CNN is in a panic spewing non-stop North Korean missile reports!

As if we expected any

As if we expected any different. We know their game. We know there are so many smoking guns regarding our governments complicity in 9/11 that anyone with an IQ of at least 90 and five minutes can figure it out on their own. Now we just need to convince the 70% of Americans with that less than 90 IQ. No simple feat with the efficiency NWO has been dumbing us down for generations. It's time to start getting mad. Get angry at your local media for not carying stories like this one. Learn their first names. Get in their faces. Make them have a hard time sleeping at night. In more ways than one.

casseia: I told you on the

casseia: I told you on the 3rd, that I would get back to your quriosity on the 4th. Please forgive my delay. I reveled in my independence, and left you to your own. My promised reply follows in a general address.

Hello, my fellow truth lovers:

Here's my first truly declarative posting on this topic, in a topic specific site such as this. I've ranted with the best of them, however I've done so elsewhere in hopes that people would eventually seek out the truth on their own. I've never conducted any kind of casual poll in follow-up.... I just figure people will or won't according to their own FREE CHOICE. That said, I'll certainly make witness to a more recent change in the public tide as a whole. Cool!

First, I'll mince no words with my conclusion that; The horrifically traumatic event known as "9/11", could not have occurred in any shape or fashion as claimed by the Kean Commission. I only feel continued deep sorrow for the added insult to injury caused by the Kean Commission's misleading of people on such an important question. That they would take so lightly, such a solemn task, speaks more than words carved in stone, as to their sick disposition covering up the reality of that event.

That lack of genuine "findings" by the Kean Commission, can not be discounted as simply more "innocent ineptitude", for everything now available to the general public today MUST have been readily available to the "Authorities" charged with compiling the commissions' final report. Their coverup, was as willful as the act itself.

There can be little more said about the Official Story other than two simple facts: 1) Ignorantly repeating it, is simple ignorance. 2) Willfully repeating it, is furtherance of a Crime Against Humanity.

Allow me to move along.

The question now returns to Who could have perpetrated such an event? Or said from the other perspective; Who could have prevented it, yet clearly did not? This can not be reduced to a "heroic" thing, "dependent upon the fast action of just a few quick-minded, well meaning people." Stopping just such an event has been the preoccupation of "Air Defense" since shortly after Man first took to the air. To long-wind about the redundant systems piled upon redundant systems paid for by You Surely, Yours' Truly and We dearly, is wasting valuable time (and They know it).

As an actual pilot, a "gifted" one according to those who've instructed or flown with me, the ability of someone with NO training WHAT-SO_EVER to 'jump' into the seat, and point the plane in a chosen direction, IS NOT BEYOND REAL POSSIBILITY. That is to say, that a calm ten year old, or determined adult, COULD actually "drive" a gigantic machine destructively into some biggish target. That is not the problem with the Official Story, in-fact it is a very clever component of selling such a story; that many people just like me would go around repeating that part, maybe just that part, while failing to dig deeper on other parts of the Official Story.

Pointing the jet "south" or "east", or referring to a private sector, high-quality, hand-held GPS (one of the MANY electronic devices which work just fine in an aircraft without causing "dangerous" interference with integrated aircraft systems, including private sector cell phones), I need do little else but make easy course corrections until I pick up the target visually with unaided eyes. Then, WHAM!

As a pilot, I was quickly turned cynical not long after 9.11, buy the fast accepted lie that errant aircraft could "confuse" air traffic controllers in any meaningful way when the transponder was phutzed with. BULL SHIT!.

I was completed turned away from this line of crap, when the DoD said they were somehow dependent upon the FAA for "highjack" notification. As a former member of that DoD crew, I yelled even louder, "BULL SHIT!"

For those who still don't know, transponders in no uncertain terms ARE NOT a critical link in FAA (nor especially DoD) ability to clearly ascertain radar range, instant azimuth, vector heading, speed, altitude, and a GOD DAMNED general heading to downtown New Your City, or The World Peace Defensive Headquarters (also called The Fucking Pentagon), Ass Hole!

Transponders, are actually a fantastic little electronic device which assist pilots and controllers by constantly reminding each other, 'things are cool'. If something 'un-cool' is going on, like the pilot having incorrectly set, or failed to update Altitude Indicator with current barometric pressure, thus not knowing with accuracy how high he/she is in the airplane, or someone having "turned it off".... the kindly people in the FAA towers let the aircraft know, (before the DoD calls them on the phone asking why they haven't yet, before intercepting the flight).

To be sure, the DoD does not intercept each and every stray flight, nor does the FAA incessantly badger each and every pilot with each and every Radar/Transponder conflict. However, it strains credulity that New York, New York would receive equal scrutiny with Billings, Montana. Let alone The Fucking Pentagon, Ass Hole!

They, those at The Fucking Pentagon, knew damn well a hit was on the way. Yet spin some shit about "confusion". Ya, I'll bet..... an outright Rumble In the Jungle, with lights flashing and sirens blaring, as "Stand Down" is the only possible order of that day.

"Stand Down, Air Defenses, Stand Down!" "But Sir,... " "No 'buts' Solder, do as you're told"

Oh, let me be clear, again...... one plane....... MAYBE TWO, could very well have thwarted the Greatest Land, Sea, Air Military System ever devised by human-beings. Yet the fucked-up way those planes were reportedly flown gives me doubt without some other great confusion and hand-waving, like the "War Games" of little boys. Those planes would never have escaped the notice of diligent controllers and "protectors".

Four planes, all on the same morning......... "Co-uh-hum ON!" Don't be a total chump.

The Official Stories' Multiple Chance Encounter with Massive Chance Confusion, is simply an unacceptable load of shit. Until someone from that Ivory Tower comes down and steps outside to answer this charge, I will hence forth treat them as Hostile, and Repugnant to Humankind.

I am not responsible for the act of 9.11, however I am responsible to myself and fellow people, to Stand Fast when a clear threat sets up camp, inside the gates. So, I will Stand Fast, until this threat is dislodged. No telling what I'll do, once They flinch. They, know it. However, I will Stand Fast until then.

Cut/Paste/Print/Repeat this general rant to any pilot, or person related to the FAA, TSA, NTSB, FBI, NSA, CIA.... I don't give a fuck. And tell them Erin S. Myers of Mclean, Virgina said so!

erin@sci-craft.com

Excellent rant, Erin!

Excellent rant, Erin!

I notice there are no

I notice there are no postings on the latest O. Bin Lad. news.

there was a website once

there was a website once that had a video regarding an early morning warning at the Pentagon before the attacks on 9/11.

Can someone send it to me? I know there is audio too, I think I can find that link a few threads down on 911blogger's main page.

I remember when Kyle

I remember when Kyle challenged the Commissioners to a debate, and they didn't even bother to respond to him. At that time I thought, "More proof of complicity as far as I'm concerned."

Same goes for NIST.

By not looking at ALL of the evidence, they have illegitimized their report.

here's the audio referenced

here's the audio referenced above, btw

http://media.putfile.com/Randi-Rhodes-on-NORAD-and-911

The members of the NIST WTC

The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision...
____________________
HA HA HA HA HAAA
This makes me feel good, because it proves that what I (we) do is right.

But in another way it makes me sad, because I would of loved to see them guys get owned!

Anyone else catch what was

Anyone else catch what was probably the first TV commercial/trailer for Stone's WTC yesterday on the 4th of July? During the Today show I think.

Kevin Barret

Imagine a murder has taken

Imagine a murder has taken place, and you're the officer in charge of the investigation.

During the investigation, you find out that the suspected murderer had a relationship with the victim's wife.

You also find out that she paid the suspect $10,000.00 to murder her husband.

You also find out that there was a life insurance policy worth $1,000,000,000.00 and the name on the policy is the wife of the victim.

You find out all of this information, and the only information you submit in your report is that the murderer murdered the victim.

Is that a complete investigation?

The same analogy can be used for 9/11.

In other words, 9/11 wasn't

In other words, 9/11 wasn't investigated.

that's a GREAT analogy

that's a GREAT analogy

Glad you like it. Feel free

Glad you like it. Feel free to use it whenever you want.

I always like the oilempire

I always like the oilempire parable.
http://www.oilempire.us/911.html#parable

Let's not look at Pakistan's

Let's not look at Pakistan's involvement. Let's not look at the Bush's business dealings with the Saudi Royals. Let's not look at the Bush Administration's previous desire to go to war. Let's not look at who funded the alleged hijackers. Let's not look at who actually created "Al-Qaeda". Let's not look at who benefitted financially from the attacks. Let's not look at what whistleblowers are telling us. and on and on and on...

9/11 was not investigated.

>Anyone have a link to the

>Anyone have a link to the recent zogby poll?

here it is:
http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

The NIST response should not

The NIST response should not be any surprise. What motive would they have to acknowledge Dr. Jones and the identification of Thermate? We are all strangers in a strange land.

The way American Fascists keep you under their control is to make you a debt slave. Since 9/11 I've removed all assets from the stock market and banks. I've paid off the mortgage on my principal residence as well as my rental property. All other debts are paid off as well. And because of my excellent credit rating I get 0% interest offers all the time. But instead of responding to their offer they receive 9/11 Truth in their postage paid envelopes. Today I received a special offer from Capital One and this is what I put in their envelope. What's in my wallet? Cash, and a lot of it.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_22290.shtml

Here are some interesting

Here are some interesting stats, from Google Trends, which was mentioned in a recent NYT piece http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05leonhardt.html?ex=130975200...

Sure shows that interest is on the rise!

9/11 conspiracy
http://www.google.com/trends?q=9%2F11+conspiracy&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

note the peak in September 2004... around the anniversary, presumably

"Loose Change"
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22Loose+Change%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

"John O'Neill"
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22John+O%27Neill%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
Why does the data end in 2004?

"Charlie Sheen"
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22Charlie+Sheen%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

"9/11 truth"
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%229%2F11+truth%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Trend history 9/11

Trend history

9/11 conspiracy

Top cities (normalized)
1. Philadelphia, PA, USA

2. New York, NY, USA

3. Edinburgh, United Kingdom

4. Chicago, IL, USA

5. Irvine, CA, USA

6. Phoenix, AZ, USA

7. Denver, CO, USA

8. Boston, MA, USA

9. Birmingham, United Kingdom

10. Portland, OR, USA

Phillys #1!!!!! hell yeah.

Amanda: That postage-paid

Amanda:
That postage-paid envelope trick is a GREAT IDEA! I get offers a lot too and never thought to do that!

Chris:
have you joined the PA 9/11 Visibility at meetup.com ?
Our first meeting is in Norristown on 7/13

http://9-11.meetup.com/254/

"Now we just need to

"Now we just need to convince the 70% of Americans with that less than 90 IQ."
It is not the IQ of people that causes them to ignore 9/11 truth, it is their propensity for denial and refusal to face facts that aren't on TV.
I started to flip out when I found out that 9/11 was an inside job a few years ago. I couldn't figure out what to do with myself. I wasn't prepared emotionally for the truth and I was very eratic when I tried to tell others what I knew.
Now that many more people have joined in with 9/11 truth I feel more comfortable that things will get fixed in this world one way or another.

Amanda and all: Credit

Amanda and all: Credit offers are not the only envelopes you can stuff with 9/11 Truth. Getting hit up for a contribution from Hillary? DNC, DCCC, Environmental Defense, Greenpeace, Union of Concerned Scientists? Slip in a Deception Dollar and your favorite flyer of info card. But don't include the reply form with your name on it.

Amanda and all: Credit

Amanda and all: Credit offers are not the only envelopes you can stuff with 9/11 Truth. Getting hit up for a contribution from Hillary? DNC, DCCC, Environmental Defense, Greenpeace, Union of Concerned Scientists? Slip in a Deception Dollar and your favorite flyer of info card. But don't include the reply form with your name on it.
justwondering | 07.05.06 - 1:29 pm | #
i do this regularly.just last month i was sent a poll by the DNC and they asked what issues were most important etc. you can guess how i answered that one.

i also get sent magazine

i also get sent magazine subscriptions and shit, and i got one from The Nation and told them i would subscribe the day i saw a REAL article about 9/11 in the magazine.

yes DHS, i have. i cant make

yes DHS, i have. i cant make it though, i work.

Please, need some help. In

Please, need some help.

In EGLS around minute 14 Abdussattar Sheik was mentioned.

He was the one that lived togehter twith Al Hazmi and Al Mihdhar in San Diego, and was an FBI informant.

I need the sources that proofs he is a fraud, that he never thought classes at the university etc.

Thanks.

Who would'a guessed? Ken Lay

Who would'a guessed? Ken Lay dies of a massive heart attack!

How incredibly convenient for Cheney and Bush, since Ken was in on the Energy Task Force back in 2001, that may have helped set the groundwork for 9/11.

I have visions of that poison ice-dart pistol that was exhibited to a congressional committee in the 1970s. The tiny dart is supposed to induce a heart attack and then melt, leaving only the nearly invisible pin-prick hole as evidence. Senator Barry Goldwater was holding the pistol and commenting to another senator while the witness (CIA? FBI?) was testifying.

I saw the clip of the congressional committee meeting in Alex Jones' documentary JFK II.

NIST declining the

NIST declining the invitation should come as a surprise to none of us. Anyone employed with NIST would never be allowed to participate unless they want to get fired, killed or both. Not to mention the fact that why be enticed into a debate knowing full well you can't win. The NIST folks might be a bunch immoral idiots only looking out for themselves but they can't be THAT stupid. "Never take a knife to gun fight!".
Cheers & Freedom To You All!!!

Hey, Portland's in the top

Hey, Portland's in the top ten for 9/11 "conspiracy"! We love us some tinfoil hats over here!

I found a source for my

I found a source for my request,

Hopsicker.

http://www.madcowprod.com/04112005.html

Can someone confirm these allegations with another independent source?

Erin, Thank you very much

Erin,

Thank you very much for your rant. I find your perspective on the ability of an amateur to pilot very interesting. Do you have anything to say regarding how (and how easily) planes can be tracked once their transponders are turned off?

Vesa,

What did you decide about dailykos? What you do over there is very generous (lavishing pearls before swine, one might say) and certainly no one would blame you if you decided not to post there.

They printed my post over at that UK Daily Mail "No Inquiry into 7/7" article after screening it. It was mild, but I wanted anyone in Britain reading it to know that people in the US think about 7/7, too, because it's so gratifying to me that people outside the US think about 9/11 (and post here.)

"Now we just need to

"Now we just need to convince the 70% of Americans with that less than 90 IQ."

That would be Bush's base of supporters.

Was I hallicinating, or did

Was I hallicinating, or did William Rodrigues recently allude to Arabs "casing the twin towers" before 9/11?

I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but now I can't find it.

Private Investigation Into

Private Investigation Into The Death Of Dr David Kelly, an expert in biological warfare.

British MP Norman Baker Undertakes Private Investigation Into The Death Of Dr Kelly.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0607/S00021.htm

CJ, I just ran

CJ, I just ran progressives, conservatives on Google trends and it was really depressing ... progressives barely register.

when the media is as far to

when the media is as far to the right as it is now(corporate=republican.not that Dems are not corporate slaves too,because they are,just not as much),it doesnt surprise me that progressives doesnt register.

Times columnist: 'We failed our country'

Raw Story | July 5 2006

Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Nicholas D. Kristof has written a scorching attack on Fox News, the media--and his own paper.

Excerpts from his latest column follow:

#
When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/050706wefailed.htm

Im from the UK and only got

Im from the UK and only got onto this a few months ago and I cant believe that I accepted the official story until I stumbled on a copy of loose change and then looked further.

I believe what happens in America will happen over here as well thats why its so important the truth comes out for both our countries. The news over here the last few weeks has been full of terrorist scare stories.

I was wondering does anyone know the percentage of the victims relatives who dont believe the official story.

Though I've handed out DVDs,

Though I've handed out DVDs, links and the such, the idea of putting truth info into pre-paid return envelopes sounds deliciously subversive.

You learn something new every day.

Private Investigation Into

Private Investigation Into The Death Of Dr David Kelly, an expert in biological warfare.
Itsaputon
..............
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=342

I was wondering does anyone

I was wondering does anyone know the percentage of the victims relatives who dont believe the official story.
Steve | 07.05.06 - 2:15 pm | #

I do know that about 80% of their questions went unanswered by the 9/11 Commission.

For Rumpl4skn: New York

For Rumpl4skn:

New York Daily News - Home - Daily News Exclusive: Janitor tells 9/11 panel of brush with WTC thugJanitor tells 9/11 panel of brush with WTC thug

By JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - A hero janitor who helped victims escape from the World Trade Center's north tower before it collapsed told the 9/11 panel that he came across one of the hijackers in the building a few months before the attack.

William Rodriguez, 43, of Jersey City met with the commission for the first time last week.

A 20-year Trade Center employee who swept stairwells, he swears he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001 and told an FBI agent in the family center at Ground Zero about it a month after the attacks. He never heard back from the bureau.

Rodriguez said he was working overtime one weekend cleaning rest rooms on the concourse and mezzanine levels when Alshehri approached him.

"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the Daily News.

"Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange," Rodriguez said. "I didn't forget about it."

After Al Qaeda's attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Rodriguez recognized Alshehri's mug in newspapers.

"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks, the WTC ex-porter said.

It is believed that American Airlines Flight 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta cased New York City targets, including the Diamond District, but Rodriguez may have given the 9/11 panel the first eyewitness testimony about a hijacker inside one of the towers before the terror strike.

Little is known about the Saudi-born Alshehri, 22, or his travels after arriving in Miami on May 28, 2001. Alshehri used the alias Abu Dujana, the name of Islam's mythic Red-Banded Warrior, who fought for the Prophet Muhammed. It's a name other Al Qaeda attackers also have used, including one who claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Madrid on March 11 of this year.

Rodriguez is credited with saving lives on 9/11 and for helping immigrants get 9/11 funds. He kept mum until now because he assumed the FBI was investigating his lead. FBI officials say they have never heard of Rodriguez but do not discount his story.

The revelation, if true, comes as the panel meets this week to scrutinize - again - the military's Sept. 11 response. FBI agents and CIA officials also will testify about the post-attack probe of the plot.

Originally published on June 15, 2004

Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/203065p-175130c.html

OT: http://www.newsnet5.com/n

OT:

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9462624/detail.html

Local Marine To Return Service Medal To Bush In Protest

Have you seen this? 9/11:

Have you seen this?

9/11: The Myth and the Reality
From our good friends over at 911truth.org http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982

And,

Corporate Media: Hot Dogs are More Important Than 9/11, Lies Leading to War & Election Fraud!

http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=407

Veteran arrested in VA


Veteran arrested in VA office for wearing a "Peace" T- Shirt

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_956.shtml

casseia, be ready in case I

casseia,

be ready in case I manage to publish it. It appears no one has suggested improvements.

I love this article! A must

Cool: http://www.google.com/t

lurker wrote: 'here it

lurker wrote:

'here it is:
http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231'

Thanks!

casseia and others, my new

casseia and others,

my new diary, entitled

Le Monde diplomatique: "9/11 - an Inside Job?"

has been posted at DailyKos. Please read, vote, and recommend! Go to

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/5/152450/0414

Link:

Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front...5p- 175130c.html
CJ | 07.05.06 - 2:26 pm | #
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So, show of hands: how many think that this could mean Rodrigues has been a plant from the beginning? To spew his basement bomb story, give it credibility by having it essentially "ignored" for years, only to have it come out and conform to a weak LIHOP theory that allows al-Qaeda to be responsible for the CD of the towers?

I think we may have been had. Again.

casseia: Forgive the repeat,

casseia:

Forgive the repeat, I posted this in the above blog but probably belongs here where the response is expected.

I may not have said that so clearly in my rant. Please allow me to say it another way.

Transponders (especially a "Class C" Altitude Encoding Transponder) like those a part of "minimal equipment" on board these aircraft, function as a constant reminder of "good on-going communication" between pilot and ATC. Changing their setting, same as turning them off, instantly sets off alarms at ATC if ATC did not instruct the pilot to make a specific change.

The Encoding Transponder replies back to ATC with the return radar bounce. With every sweep of the ground based radar, each Class C Transponder sends back an Identification signal as per the instruments setting, ALONG with the cock-pits' altitude readout. IF, the return signal (leave alone any change in the Indent. code or power disconnect) grossly conflicts with the ground based radars' ability to discern altitude of raw radar blip, the controller advises the pilot that he may not know his altitude with accuracy.

Point is, the ATC (and fucking positive for the DOD) is not dependent on a properly set or encoding transponder in a cock-pit. That's exactly the point, the ACT confirms constantly what they know to be the altitude, with what the pilot thinks is his altitude. DOD has absolutely no dependance on an aircrafts willingness to be interrogated (actual ACT term for constant feed-back from Class C transponder) for the DOD's air defense radar to know something is in the air, and at what altitude.

They knew, OR at least they were absolutely capable of knowing exactly where these aircraft were, and what altitude they were at. Why weren't they looking? Someone's ass needs to fry! ("under the radar" is old school.... DOD fixed that long ago).

ATC and DOD are not dependent on the transponders what-so-ever. A gross fucking lie, if ever I heard one.

Bear in mind - I don't

Bear in mind - I don't necessarily mean a willing disinfo agent. Just someone put into the position to witness an event, then built up through phony opposition, then allowed to reveal actual cultured disinfo that conforms to the LIHOP story. Hell, they could have sent a hijacker in there to speak to him - a lot of them were CIA or FBI assets - and all he's doing is telling the truth, but truth that's been managed and sculpted in one direction. The perfect crime accessory - an honest man repeating the disinfo he actually witnessed.

That barrett identified that

That barrett identified that thermite had indeed been confirmed by Dr Jones surprised me.

Does anyone have links to the info as to how Dr Jones obtained a metal sample (did he take the slowboat to china? ;) ) as well as his subsequent findings?

The only source so far was

The only source so far was Steven Jones appearance on Alex Jones radio show.

"Link:

"Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front...5p- 175130c.html
CJ | 07.05.06 - 2:26 pm | #
===========================
So, show of hands: how many think that this could mean Rodrigues has been a plant from the beginning? To spew his basement bomb story, give it credibility by having it essentially "ignored" for years, only to have it come out and conform to a weak LIHOP theory that allows al-Qaeda to be responsible for the CD of the towers?

I think we may have been had. Again.
Rumpl4skn | 07.05.06 - 3:36 pm | #

I would need far more evidence than this to suspect that Rodriquez is a "plant." There are many reason why he may have seen, or thought he saw, a "hijacker" in the WTC.

You guys are way too fast to try to discredit someone.

You guys are way too fast to

You guys are way too fast to try to discredit someone.
Anonymous | 07.05.06 - 5:11 pm | #
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No, see the post after that, I explained. I don't discredit or applaud quickly.

I gotta stop repeating

I gotta stop repeating myself.

I gotta stop repeating myself.

I gotta stop repeating myself.

I gotta stop repeating myself.

I would love to see those

I would love to see those NIST turds get all owned and shit.

Now, I found this on the loose change forums, and it is brilliant!

"Take a minute and think about this.

If a demolition expert wanted to bring down an exact duplicate of the 110 story towers.

What would happen if he placed explosives in the exact 6-8 floor area that was hit?

He placed them on the outside to blow a hole in.

He placed them on the floors, the columns, the trusses. Even the core. Which barely received any damage in the case of the South Tower.

He placed them essentially on the exact same spots the planes were guessed to have hit. Negating the idea of burning jet fuel and going straight to complete destruction and obliteration of support columns, trusses and floors.

BUT ONLY IN 4-8 FLOORS OF THE 110 FLOORS.

What would happen? Would it collapse perfectly and symmetrically? Would it collapse with near 0 resistance? What would happen to all those all other floors below? Would it collapse in less than 12 seconds

What about the South Tower? Which was hit in the corner of the building and had tilited nearly 45 degrees at the top before straightening up, and collapsing magically inward and straight down.

Picture this in your mind. And ask yourself would a Demolition expert do it this way? Only destroying a few floors of a 110 story building to bring down the whole thing in a matter of 10 seconds?

Picture it. What would it look like?

Simply put...

Can a demolition expert bring down an entire 110 story building perfectly and neatly, symmetrically and in 10 seconds by only *completely* destroying 4-8 floors of the 110 floors?"

:)

Can a demolition expert

Can a demolition expert bring down an entire 110 story building perfectly and neatly, symmetrically and in 10 seconds by only *completely* destroying 4-8 floors of the 110 floors?"
seraph | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 5:59 pm | #
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No, but that's exactly what the shills argue. That it can happen that way.

I know, but that is just

I know, but that is just stupid, and what are the odds of that happening 2 times in a row?

So sometimes it is okay to

So sometimes it is okay to have a fresh look :

- In what some on Capitol Hill are calling a surprising decision, Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., has given the nod for hearings into the long-debated question of whether those responsible for the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building had help from any foreign source.

Spurred to action by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., Hyde has given Rohrabacher's Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House International Relations Committee the wide-ranging authority to conduct interviews and subpoena documents related to the April 19, 1995, terrorist attack that left 168 dead, 19 of them children.

Interviewed Wednesday, Rohrabacher confirmed that his nearly two-year-long personal investigation into the Oklahoma City tragedy had finally received the necessary support for an official congressional investigation.

"Congressman Hyde has approved my request for hearings into the OKC bombing. The congressional investigation will be limited to our area of focus, which is whether there was a foreign connection to the conspiracy," Rohrabacher explained.

"I think we know what we're looking for and I expect complete cooperation from the witnesses we call and the agencies we look to for documents."

Rohrabacher then emphasized his office would keep the public informed about the level of cooperation his subcommittee receives during the official phase of the investigation.

"I must be able to assure the families of the victims of this horrible crime that their government cooperated with our investigation," the congressman said. "That is very important to our oversight responsibilities."

Now isn't that what they should be saying about 9/11 ?

The problem I have with NIST is their track-record,
- Oklahoma Bombing
- 9/11

I think I'm correct in saying that 4 of NIST's 9/11 experts also gave their 'expert opinion' on what happened in Oklahoma. In that instant their opinion was seen as controversial to other experts who were certain that there were explosive devices in the building.

Does someone know if that's right ?

Here's my first truly

Here's my first truly declarative posting on this topic...

erin@sci-craft.com
Erin S. Myers | 07.05.06 - 12:11 pm | #
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Thank you, Erin.

On the issue of transponders, aren't there back up measures and/or redundancies built in so that they come back on automatically or does it require the flip of a switch?

I found a source for my

I found a source for my request,

Hopsicker.

http://www.madcowprod.com/04112005.html

Can someone confirm these allegations with another independent source?
Sitting-Bull | 07.05.06 - 1:56 pm | #
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You should probably read this first:

http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/16446/Hopsicker_Emory_on_the_9_11_BS_Mov...

I think we may have been

I think we may have been had. Again.
Rumpl4skn | 07.05.06 - 3:36 pm | #
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Maybe somebody should give Mr Rodriguez a phone call and see what he has to say about these statements.

The only source so far was

The only source so far was Steven Jones appearance on Alex Jones radio show.
Sitting-Bull | 07.05.06 - 3:59 pm | #
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IsnÂ’t there a better source out there than Alex Jones for this information?

Could somebody else at least not so obviously lacking in integrity and credibility please interview Dr. Jones and post that information on 911blogger?

Or perhaps you can at least gain a degree of separation by using this link:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11010&highlight=steven...

Or better yet just hype up the anticipation by using the statements in this article:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11168&highlight=steven...

“Steven E. Jones, rejects NIST’s claims about the Twin Towers (see also Greig’s article). He relates, for example, how eyewitnesses had observed that steel from all three skyscrapers had melted, (in some cases, the steel was found glowing three weeks after the attack) and was twisted in a way that can only have been caused by what he describes as pre-positioned “cutter charges.”

“… philosophy professor James H. Fetzer and professor of physics Steven E. Jones – the movement’s foremost expert on the collapse of the Twin Towers. The latter’s work will be published in September, a contribution to the anthology 9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (2006).”
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IÂ’m on a low bandwidth terminal at the moment and so can not zip around as readily as IÂ’d like.

I seem to recall there was a power point presentation from L.A. Does this mention the sought after information on the more recent results of the analysis on the use of thermate?

ALex Jones has dome a lot of

ALex Jones has dome a lot of good work. i dont understand the hatred for him around here. i think hes wrong on some issues, but come on, the guy knows his shit, he basically predicted 9/11 a couple of months before it happened and had his callers call the White House to tell them not to stage an attack and blame Bin Laden.im not gonna sit here and endlessly defend Alex Jones, but come on, hes not as bad as you make him out to be.

It is not a question of

It is not a question of hatred. (Hate is perhaps best left to actions and attitudes, but should not be directed at people.)

I'm just calling it like I see it with regard to the integrity and honesty of the work of Alex Jones.

And I don't believe that we really needed his help (or that of many other unsavory characters) in discovering all that we have about 9/11 to this point.

If you want me to point out again one solid example of where he has blown his cover, take a look at the Pianka controversy and let me know what you see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Pianka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mims-Pianka_controversy

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Evaranus/Everybody.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

Oh brother, every time an

Oh brother, every time an article comes out re: 9/11 truth, the disinfo artists crawl out of the woodwork. Now we have YouCrazyDiamond bashing Alex Jones of all people.

... he basically predicted

... he basically predicted 9/11 a couple of months before it happened ...

Chris | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 7:33 pm | #
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It can easily be pointed out that many people of greater note and integrity than Alex Jones had predicted the events of 9/11 a long, long time before he did. Below are just a couple of examples.

George Washington in his farewell speech:

http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/washbye.shtml

“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.”

Dwight D. Eisenhower in his farewell speech:

http://honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/archive/Ike610116.html

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

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Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.”
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The question then is where did these people come from that continued the unconscionable institution of slavery for another hundred years, and more, beyond the time of George Washington, and visited unspeakable atrocities in the form of genocide upon the North American Indians?

Where did these people come from that chose to drop nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians when, in the words of Dwight D. Eisenhower, “Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary?”

Could it be people like Alex Jones? I honestly donÂ’t know, but IÂ’m also sure I donÂ’t want to take that risk any longer.

And when Alex Jones goes to great lengths to manufacture terror at the expense of honest reporting, as he does in his hit piece on Professor Pianka, then he is no better than the other thugs that manufactured the false-flag operation we call 9/11. My conclusion at the moment is that his cover has been blown.

(So, now, given his "proven" dishonesty, it perhaps becomes an interesting question, if in fact he did know about the 9/11 attacks in advance, how did he came to have that knowledge? But frankly, I donÂ’t have time for that one at the moment, and so my suggestion is to simply marginalize him and deal with it later.)

I have an interesting Alex

I have an interesting Alex Jones story for you all. The first time I visited one of his web sites to watch one of his JFK assass. movies (about 2 years ago, if I recall correctly), while watching the movie I received one of those “funny” emails at a publicly unlisted email address at a well maintained and I expect reasonably secure server about how the FBI needs to question me about such and such a thing.

I have never before or after received another one of those email messages. The FBI said at the time in public releases that these email messages were bogus, etc. and not to pay them any attention.

So, what are the odds of that happening at just the time I happened to be watching that movie on the JFK assass.? I wonder now if that was the case with the many other people that received these email messages; that they had visited a site with similar content as that of Alex Jones. (Obviously a good many people received such email messages for the FBI to issue a public statement.)

My oh my, what are the odds?

BTW, I wrote an email to

BTW, I wrote an email to Alex Jones about that incident at the time it happened and it should be noted that he never responded to it.

Does that sound like a person concerned about real terror?

Here is an incident that has too much to do with exactly the type of message he is constantly reporting, it happens in relation to his web site, and he does not make any response to my questions about this incident.

My oh my, what are the odds?

BTW, I wrote an email to

BTW, I wrote an email to Alex Jones about that incident at the time it happened and it should be noted that he never responded to it.
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That incident, of course, being the "funny" FBI email message mentioned in the previous post.

{{ In the Twin Towers

{{ In the Twin Towers cracking of the overlays was seen to occur at the bolt-holds, therefore I present the following description about this phenomena as observed under similar, *related* studies, as performed by the DOE, and NIST:}}

"Corrosion behavior of Fe-AI alloys was found to be directly related to the aluminum content of the alloy. According to which reaction product developed, the corrosion behavior was found to exhibit one, if not more, of three stages of behavior: inhibition, breakdown, and steady-state. The observance and/or duration of these stages was directly related to the aluminum content of the alloy and the exposure temperature.

The ordered structures of Fe#l and FeAl have been found to be more susceptible to environmental embrittlement which has been seen to be the source of the cladding cracking problem. The morphologies observed were very complex as continued growth of the nodule did not depend soleIy upon the diffusion of species through the previously formed product, but rather, continued mechanical failure of the passive scale. This resulted in faster growth along a lateral direction with respect to the substrate surface instead of perpendicular to it.

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From literature, there appears to be a lack of understanding in the principles of nodule nucleation and growth. Available mechanisms for this type of growth in sulfur containing environments are based primarily upon scale disruptions or mechanical failures in an initially formed passive layer that cannot re-establish itself. This was easily observed by growth of iron sulfide platelets occurring in the Alumina grain boundaries and not through the lattice of the scale itself. While the grain boundaries may qualify as a defect in the scale, the need to quantify the severity of the defect is important. This type of corrosion product development did not appear to be deleterious to the integrity of the scale, as no sulfur was found to penetrate the alloy beneath these growths and weight gains still remained negligible. Therefore, for growth of corrosion nodules to occur, a massive event must take place in which the mechanical integrity of the scale degrades and re-establishment cannot occur. The interaction between mechanical and thermal responses is a crucial element of the system characterization in the failure evolution." --DOE/NIST

So, what are the odds of

So, what are the odds of that happening at just the time I happened to be watching that movie on the JFK assass.? I wonder now if that was the case with the many other people that received these email messages; that they had visited a site with similar content as that of Alex Jones. (Obviously a good many people received such email messages for the FBI to issue a public statement.)

My oh my, what are the odds?
YouCrazyDiamond | 07.06.06 - 12:50 am | #
ok, so you hate Alex Jones because he sent you a fake FBI e-mail? damn, and i thought i was paranoid.

and as far as your comments

and as far as your comments about others predicting 9/11 like alex Jones did. did they mention Bin Laden by name? did they do it just 2 short months in advance? get the fuck outta here.......

ok, so you hate Alex Jones

ok, so you hate Alex Jones because ...

get the fuck outta here.......
Chris | Homepage | 07.06.06 - 10:12 am | #
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Where, in my recounting of these events, have I expressed any hate?

(And why are you using abusive language?)

I'm simply offering information that might be useful.

The latter story about the “funny” email does not necessarily prove anything, as there can obviously be other explanations for that one.

However, I did put in front of you information about the Pianka controversy that is quite verifiable.

And the Alex Jones hit piece on Pianka is quite antithetical to what the professors that comprise the 9/11 scholars are likely to be about. IÂ’m reasonably sure that the 9/11 professors are, very much like Pianka, wondering how to find that transition to a sustainable future.

But Alex Jones is allowed to twist and distort the message of seeking a sustainable future into one of “professor calls for mass culling” when it is not being delivered from a member of the 9/11 movement?

get the fuck outta

get the fuck outta here.......
Chris | Homepage | 07.06.06 - 10:12 am | #
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Is that the incredulous “get the fuck outta here.......?”

Or do you mean I should get off this board and not share my knowledge?

In my field of work, when

In my field of work, when there is a mistake in published work, we generally follow it up by publishing errata.

What Alex Jones did in reporting the Pianka lecture is far worse than a simple mistake in printing. His failure there requires an entire rewrite if IÂ’m to believe he is an honest and credible journalist. (And I have not seen Alex Jones make any comments on this issue, much like the avoidance of the government of the USA in not responding to criticisms, etc.)

My suggestion then is to call him up and ask him about this Pianka controversy and see how he handles it.

What I expect to see happen is that Alex Jones will correct this story and report it in an honest and credible manner consistent with the ethics of journalism, etc.

Until I see this happen, I simply will not trust Alex Jones.

Capeesh?