ST911 press release "Scholars for 9/11 Truth under Attack"
Reprehensor Tue, 07/04/2006 - 7:53pm
Scholars for 9/11 Truth under Attack
Member's children threatened by name, teacher's position under assault
Duluth, MN (PRWEB) July 2, 2006 --- The author of an article about the attack on the World Trade Center has found himself under attack for having published it in a new on-line publication, Journal of 9/11 Studies. Entitled "The Flying Elephant", the article discusses evidence that a third airplane was captured on video at the time of the WTC attack. He has now received a thinly-veiled threat against his children, who are cited by name, suggesting it would be a good idea if his article were to simply "go away"...
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Still waiting,
Still waiting, AmandaReconwith: Please: provide the broadcast date, and at least one mainstream reference to that specific clip you referenced:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/.
I'm fed up with those spreading quasi-truth in the movement. Prove you're not among them, AmandaReconwith.
Still waiting, Amanda.
Still waiting, Amanda.
I'm not giving up,
I'm not giving up, AmandaReconwith: Please: provide the broadcast date, and at least one mainstream reference to that specific clip you referenced:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/
I say it's an obvious fake, with the "plane" having different color values than the video it was overlaid upon.
I'm in the mood, on our Nation's birthday, to expose neo-truthers.
Greg wrote: "...about the
Greg wrote:
"...about the no-planers: have they ever successully exposed the photographs of the second plane as a fake? No! Strangely, it's always the blurry, grainy videos that they use..."
Greg | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 3:26 pm
What are you talking about Greg?
We always did that. The photo fakery is even less credible, because mostly 'second generation' screenshotted from videos, then we have the various contradictions of photos, pointing on lousy photoshop gigs and false or non-existing credits.
That's why my focus is on TV-FAKERY, not PHOTO FAKERY (also TV came chronologically first).
Our supporters are growing and you guys running out of arguments since Day 1. You should better rethink, what kind of "damage" YOU are doing...
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
CPlanet "3rd" aircraft also visible on CNN footage
July 4, 2006
youtube.com
or here
"... 2nd crash video that shows a white plane flying off in the upper right hand corner..."
compare with other qualities at Killtown's 'second attack' collection
see also
9/11 Scholar apparently resigned over "8:58 AM plane" (07/02/06)
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Norge Le Monde unofficial
Norge Le Monde unofficial translation:
http://www.gnn.tv/B16458
I'm with Alex on this one.
I'm with Alex on this one. While I am duly upset about the threats that people are receiving, I am also skeptical about Mr. Dixon's paper. While it is written with an academic tone, it does not include the references that would demonstrate an academically thourough approach. His paper isn't good journalism either. Its more of an appeal for the exploration of potential area of interest, and it should be received as such. Of course I can also be hopeful that this story does have meet on its bones. I look forward to seeing where further research leads.
This cartoon plane b.s. is a
This cartoon plane b.s. is a real waste of time.
TS Gordon, in reference to
TS Gordon, in reference to the "third plane" you said:
"...It was reported by live witnesses..." I appreciate your post, but do you have references to the statements you've noted?
"I see that 9/11 kooks have
"I see that 9/11 kooks have found their version of the "black helicopter"....
--- True idiot. A real, black, CIA helicopter WAS photographed hovering over the wreckage during the clean-up with rows of scouts below at the Pentagon, and the photos were everywhere.
--Alex, that white plane didn't show the black markings as seen from the side. It was reported by live witnesses and was also photographed over Ohio, or Penn. found to be a common Volvo -interceptor, not standard commercial markers. Common issue to EU/UK/Dutch military applications. I think Icke found that much. Nothing more was found that I heard of.
A friend of mine has been
A friend of mine has been asked to help paint part of a mural for the fifth anniversary of September 11th for our local library, where she works. It's going to be nine panels, each about 6 feet tall, each painted by a different person. She asked for my help so we're going to do a painting of the towers that takes up the whole thing, and then a life-size person with a paint roller painting over our painting with white, and the words "9-11 Commission" on his back. I'm sure they won't display it but I'll link some pictures when it's done.
D.C. is a MUCH smarter
D.C. is a MUCH smarter choice in my opinion.
lets not forget what he did
lets not forget what he did to the media.he single handedly helped make it possible for the monopolies we see today.
Chris | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 3:42 pm | #
Maybe that's why they gave him a month long funeral like he was the greatest American hero of all time. That made me sick too.
Silver lining to the death threats: it seems we're starting to rile up the hornets nest. Maybe we can force them to act prematurely. I think that Zwicker is right when he says that they're probably gearing up for the next step, trying to figure out how to proceed. One wrong step now and all their well-laid plans could be for nothing. Don't you wish you knew what was next?
Prediction: expect radical changes and radical threats to the 9/11 Truth Movement before the end of 2006. I have a feeling that I think many share that something big is coming. We have to act fast, as fast as possible if we want to defeat our enemy. Be assured that our enemy is not going out without a fight.
Who is going to the D.C. or NYC 9-11-06 rallies?
Corporate Media Ignores War
Corporate Media Ignores War Against Palestinians
Kurt Nimmo | July 4 2006
In a brazen attempt to sugar coat IsraelÂ’s flagrant violations of the Geneva Convention, specifically Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which is intended to protect civilians, the corporate media continues to spin the situation in the Gaza Strip.
“Israel Steps Up Raids in Bid to Free Soldier,” headlines the New York Times, reporting that “Israeli aircraft intensified their attacks on Palestinian targets in Gaza.”
In fact, the Israelis are inflicting relentless collective punishment on the Palestinians, as BÂ’Tselem, the Israeli human rights organization, documents.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/040706mediaignores.htm
"yeah, too bad Reagan was a
"yeah, too bad Reagan was a deplorable president and man.
Chris | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 3:14 pm | #"...Right-on Chris, When he died a few years back I couldn't watch TV for fear I would kick in the screen. He was a two-faced, union busting piece of scum who sold out the working middle class.
maddog | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 3:33 pm | #
lets not forget what he did to the media.he single handedly helped make it possible for the monopolies we see today.
all man slaqqer, i gotta
all man slaqqer, i gotta post the comments now. classic shit:
Cheney Puppet, a leader who is misunderestimated, December 29, 2004,
When disaster strikes, My Pet Goat is the cure
When the stress of deciding whether to just sit quietly in front a group of school children and do nothing while your country is being attacked or quietly exuse yourself to do something about it, My Pet Goat is the cure for what ails you. Sit back and listen to those 7 year olds chop through the book and let all the cares of being the leader of the Free World melt away. Smile and wave at the following 20 minute photo-op without a care in the world.
Also recommended: The Prince, by Nicolo Machiavelli
A reviewer (barrytesar@aol.com), the world's foremost expert on Ali, November 3, 2004,
A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT...
This book is simply the most spellbinding book I have ever read. I was reading it one dark and stormy night when two calamities happened all at once. The first was that floodwater was creeping higher and higher up my front step and while that was happening a nasty, grease fire had broken out in my kitchen and was quickly spreading throughout the entire house. I could hear my wife hollering for me to come quick so that I could help her save the kids and the cat; but I said 'Honey, can't you wait? Don't you see I'm busy?' Then I continued reading. The next thing I knew my feet felt kinda wet but I couldn't take my eyes from the page. Next flaming beams were falling all around me, yet I still could not put down the book. Thank the Lord, I was finally able to finish it and save my family. The strange thing is that I once met a weird little guy who told me about a similar experience he had of not being able to put down this book. He said it was the first big boy book he had actually read cover to cover and he simply had to find out how it ended.
Also recommended: 'The Life and Times of Muhammad Ali' by Thomas Hauser. 'The Mystic Path to Cosmic Power' by Vernon Howard.
George (president@whitehouse.gov), the leader of the free world, October 12, 2004,
Great Story
A gripping tail (pun intended!) of a girl and her pet goat. This is a real page-turner. Once you start My Pet Goat, nothing -- and I mean nothing -- will get you to put it down.
Also recommended: The Holy Bible
Happy 230th Fourth all... I
Happy 230th Fourth all...
I do hope that on the 231st FOJ we are celebrating something very different than what we are pretending to celebrate today...
...in the meantime, read the 'customer reviews' sections in the links below and ensure that this book becomes part of your collection.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=97800268...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0026863553/sr=8-1/qid=1152033839/ref=pd...
-slaqqer
For an intelligent and
For an intelligent and simplified strategy, see the letter from Russ and Bonnie Gerst, accessible at www.st911.org -- an approach well implemented by the Muckraker Report, www.teamliberty.net
"yeah, too bad Reagan was a
"yeah, too bad Reagan was a deplorable president and man.
Chris | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 3:14 pm | #"...Right-on Chris, When he died a few years back I couldn't watch TV for fear I would kick in the screen. He was a two-faced, union busting piece of scum who sold out the working middle class.
And about the no-planers:
And about the no-planers: have they ever successully exposed the photographs of the second plane as a fake? No! Strangely, it's always the blurry, grainy videos that they use.
Maybe that third plane was
Maybe that third plane was spraying chemtrails. Check out this intro the the new World Trade Center movie.
http://www.wtcmovie.com/
Click ENTER THE SITE - watch the stills go by, a couple written intro's on black background, then a shot of a NYC skyline with CHEMTRAILS everywhere !!! Wow. The NWO says - If ya aint rich, you aint worth living!!
AmandaReconwith: Please:
AmandaReconwith: Please: provide the broadcast date, and at least one mainstream reference to that specific clip. References to Gnostic Gospels don't quite cut it.
I'd really appreciate it your help with this. This is not a sarcastic challenge, but a sincere desire to find out if this clip is genuine. Thank you.
AmandaReconwith, if this
AmandaReconwith, if this video has NOT been produced by piecing left half and right halve together, i'll join your church of no-plane. But we all know it's a forgery.
Greg, those tapes wouldnt be
Greg, those tapes wouldnt be found through FOIA, they would NEVER allow something that connects Isreal to anything like that to not be destroyed or "lost".
There was these Israeli
There was these Israeli spies that were caught videotaping the 'show' at the WTC - i wonder what happened to the tapes? If they knew when it would happen, they must have videotaped the first plane, too!
Is there any FOIA-requests for it?
thank you Mr. Fetzer, your
thank you Mr. Fetzer, your book on Wellstone was amazing.
Alex, Why do you assume that
Alex,
Why do you assume that it can not be verified?
It was from an ABC 7 broadcast.
Jesus said: Recognize what is before you, and what is hidden from you will be revealed to you; for there is nothing hidden that will not be made manifest.
http://www.gospelthomas.com/gospelthomas5.html
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Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 1:51 pm | #
one of the most sickening pieces ive read in a very long time.
Just a comment on the
Just a comment on the "fireball" video. If it is authentic, then the emergence of this gigantic fireball PRIOR TO IMPACT of the plane with the building should be visible on other videos and films of the event as it happened. To the best of my knowledge, it is not. I know that, using optical printing, any foreground can be combined with any background. So take real footage of the fireball and combine it with real footage of the plane approaching, but scale back the time on the approaching plane so it is not yet impacting with the building. There isn't even any plane there to take out! Just blend a real left-foreground with a real right-background! Piece of cake! So my best guess, at this point in time, would be that this new video has been faked to create further confusion about whether or not planes hit the buildings. I therefore distrust it and consider it to be suspect. If I am proven wrong, so be it, but this is such a glaring, obvious discrepancy that, were it present on other films and videos, it would have been noticed long ago. I therefore tentatively conclude that this new video is a fabrication. The threats against Scholars, however, are not. We should focus on real threats and not be diverted by phony evidence, in my opinion. The stakes here could not be higher. My best wishes to you all for the 4th of July!
this kind of stuff makes me
this kind of stuff makes me sick. when family members of REAL patriots are attacked. we must protect these people.
another good Reagan Quote
another good Reagan Quote (liberals here please forgive me):
"Whatever else history may say about me when I'm gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts"
- talk about 9/11 politics of fear
Greg | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 2:38 pm | #
yeah, too bad Reagan was a deplorable president and man.
AmandaReconwith: unless the
AmandaReconwith: unless the source of the clip you referenced can be verified, and proven not to have been doctored, it is a diversion away from the known facts of 911, and has to be counted among the other quasi-truths that currently plague the movement.
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Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 1:51 pm | #
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Also Makes Me Sick :P
Yes, and don't forget about
Yes, and don't forget about the mysterious deaths of about 20 microbiologists soon after the anthrax attacks! Extremely suspicious.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/3
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/31-Mar-2006.html
It actually sait "auto accident" about the flight attendant. But there's so many covered-up deaths: like former CIA director Colby, Vince Foster, Terrence Yeakey...
Keep you eye on the left
Keep you eye on the left side of the building. The
fireball starts BEFORE the image of the plane strikes!
I also just noticed a bright white flash in the
foreground corner of the north tower at the smoke line
which coinsides with the early fireball.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/
Happpy 4th of July
so one scholar/student has
james ha: I'm wondering how
james ha: I'm wondering how you are able to make out the paint scheme? Please reference a photo that is clear enough to indicate that. Thank you.
They must see the
They must see the information of this third plane as a big story and huge threat to themselves for them to be making these kind of threats against ST911
space shuttle to launch in 5
space shuttle to launch in 5 minutes. Hope there's not a false flag attack planned at Cape Canaveral.
i could be wrong but if it
i could be wrong but if it was a regular plane just trying to land it's identity probably would've been uncovered by now - i think that even the paint scheme has not been identified - i don't know, maybe tom will show up and tell us that it's identity has been revealed long ago.
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another good Reagan Quote
another good Reagan Quote (liberals here please forgive me):
"Whatever else history may say about me when I'm gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts"
- talk about 9/11 politics of fear
Greg, after doing a quick
Greg, after doing a quick search for a stock photo of a plane over the Twin Tower area, I found this one:
http://dervala.net/images/wtc/bridgeplane_small.jpg
The plane appears to be about the same distance away as the mystery 3rd plane, but MUCH higher in comparison to the buildings.
Again, this is very rough estimating. Make of it what you will.
I see that 9/11 kooks have
I see that 9/11 kooks have found their version of the "black helicopter"....
Terrence | Homepage | 07.04.06 - 1:49 pm | #
Yo everyone, listen to Terrence Â’s comic genius right here;
http://www.moviesounds.com/sp/comeup.wav
C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused
C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&...
"The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was,..."
- Why in hell is the alleged CONFESSOR of the crime of the century not important anymore?
>the distance of the plane
>the distance of the plane in question
a good question, and i also wonder about the location it was over Manhattan. Could it have been trying to land at one of the 3 airports?
Greg: you said that the
Greg: you said that the plane "seemed still some miles away".
After doing some rough estimating by comparing similar sized photos of supposed Flight 175 approaching the South Tower, it appears that the mystery plane is approx. 3 times smaller than the Flight 175 plane. If the comparitive sizes can be established, does anyone know how to determine the distance of the plane in question?
> scholar/student has been
> scholar/student has been murdered,
There was also one flight attendent murdered, who missed one of the WTC flights by chance.
Last I checked the
Last I checked the punishment for high treason is DEATH. The perpetrators of the 9/11 scam will of course do ANYTHING to avoid this.
Pretty much the entire MSM and all of Congress is complicit in the cover-up plus the entire Government. So, it'll be death or jail for thousands OR martial law at some point to avoid this.
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"For one day. Just one day.
"For one day. Just one day. Can you do it?
Can you be a patriot for just one day?"
Ok, I'll be your kind of patriot for one day, and you be my kind of patriot for 364 days.
I see that 9/11 kooks have
I see that 9/11 kooks have found their version of the "black helicopter"....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13477323/
Makes me sick.
so one scholar/student has
so one scholar/student has been murdered, (another student from the same college murdered as well), one scholar faces dismissal from his teaching position and yet another scholar's family has been threatened.
damned perpetrators.
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and it should be noted that
and it should be noted that this mystery plane only appears in some videos and not others and that it actually looks like a real plane. it does have an odd color scheme; white fuselage with black wings and tail.
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From the link above: Many
From the link above:
Damn right!!! The real perpetrators of 9/11 must go down!!!
also important to note: the
also important to note: the 3rd plane was there even simultaneously as the 2nd plane hit, in one of the "2nd hit"-videos
>I'm on the road and can't
>I'm on the road and can't view the >PDFs at 911journal, could someone >here give a short summary of >this "third plane" biz? TIA...
>gabey | 07.04.06 - 1:15 pm | #
There's some videos that show a bigger plane (the 767s/757s again?) cruising over Manhattan during the attacks. The author said it was going dangerously close to the WTC smoke but on the pictures it seemed still some miles away.
I'm on the road and can't
I'm on the road and can't view the PDFs at 911journal, could someone here give a short summary of this "third plane" biz? TIA...
- And McCain decided, he
- And McCain decided, he does not want that, so rather does he want it covered up now for the public, and maybe make sure behind the scenes that those that were responsible get what they deserve.
Greg | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 10:07 am | #
your the same guy that was praising that scumbag Reagan the other day right? no offense, but i think your dreaming, McCain has no soul. he is not a good man.dont believe the hype.we are all pretty much in agreement about Cheney being involved in 9/11 right? is he getting what he deserves? has McCain been out there bashing Cheney or the illegal war in Iraq? no and no.
dude how many times do i
dude how many times do i have to answer this question? why is what i think should be the main issue or not even an issue? maybe someone should issue 911 talking points that no one is allowed to stray from. and why hasn't anyone figured out why the MSM has a blackout on the issue of 911? oh wait, someone already has.
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james ha | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 9:43 am | #
its not even you really,ive seen you talk about more than just CGI, its the Nicos of the movement that ONLY push CGI, and they do it non stop.they refuse to talk about anything but "tv fakery",as if thats the most damning evidence we have,and as if the rest of the evidence means nothing. and if you dont agree with them,they call you "moron". Nico and his ilk are only focused on CGI for a reason.ultimately, i dont know what that reason is,but it is suspect to many.i dont want anyone to censor themselves, but stratigically speaking, to try and present "tv fakery" as evidence of an inside job, when you have so many other things to point to is irresponsible in my opinion.whether you believe in CGI being used on 9/11(and thus a huge media conspiracy involving many people likely to leak.these are not government officials we are talking about here.these are local and national media figures.liars?scum? sure.capable of what you say?i dont know.) or not,thats not my problem, its the people that ONLY push CGI, and push it very loudly without pushing the mountains of other available evidence showing inside job.
pockybot: How come you guys
pockybot:
How come you guys ONLY talk about these no plane theories?
what, pockybot, would you like to talk about?
and how come YOU still haven't said if the section of fuselage in the photo that you once linked broke off of the plane as it entered the tower, traveled all the way thru the tower and out the other side, or was trapped inside the tower when it collapsed?
quit being such a bunch of effin hall-monitors and go make some more dvd's.
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Nico said, in regards to one
Nico said, in regards to one of his fake distraction videos: "what kind of verification do you need, moron?
I don't know by myself where it's coming from, neither Rosalee is claiming she knows!"
You can't verify the source of the videos that you and "Amanda" expect others to accept as real, and you call ME a moron?
Go on, insult me again. It only demonstrates your lack of ability to prove your assertions. I'll likely not reply to you anymore, however. I've made my point, and to continue would be a waste of precious time... and I suspect that's just what you would like.
> 'if one falls we all fall'
> 'if one falls we all fall' would >explain the compliance of the >Democrats.
I think the case of John McCain is noteworthy: He supported the 9/11 commission and thereby fought an uphill battle against Bush. Now recently, he wrote the introduction page for a conspiracy-debunker book, and is appearing in the upcoming whitewash-movie "9/11 report".
So why was he first all for a commission and then now covers things up? And he's not supporting the complete hardline neocon agenda like his torture-ban bill demonstrated.
I guess the answer his, that he knows of the 9/11 truth of course. But he thought one step further, he thought of what would happen if it were exposed, and concluded it would send U.S. military dominance downhill to the ash heap of history. Face it, it would mean a complete withdrawal from the Middle East: no more bases in Kuweit, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey etc. - no more "war games" but back to being a contained, bordered nation that has lost all of it's international credibility.
- And McCain decided, he does not want that, so rather does he want it covered up now for the public, and maybe make sure behind the scenes that those that were responsible get what they deserve.
This 3rd plane stuff is a
This 3rd plane stuff is a phony distraction from the truth.
oh this is rich! well lets hear the truth then. i am eagerly awaiting to hear the truth from you.
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Orchestrating the demolition
Orchestrating the demolition of the WTC towers + WTC7 was a major operation, requiring lots of secrecy, money, time, and bombs! So why, when these explosions were real, were they not able to fly a plane into these towers? That's a joke of a job for them!
And they didn't even need remote control, they have neocon fanatics like Ann Coulter or Christian (see Bush's remarks) fanatics that would have volunteered anytime to start colonizing the middle east.
As i said hundreds of times, Bush is a primitive, a monkey, in his world things are 'blown up', there's only trucks, planes, roads, cars (though he never paid honest money for a tank of gas), things 'blown up' (see countless quotes from him), in sum, only real things and not cyber/digital things.
"And if -- which I very
"And if -- which I very greatly doubt -- something is found that would quickly send everyone in Washington to the death chamber, the left is unlikely to emerge triumphant." (Chomsky)
I've often thought that this is what is behind the silence. The belief that 'if one falls we all fall' would explain the compliance of the Democrats. Everybody has skeletons in their closet. Has anybody put the hypothetical question to people like Amy Goodman :'If evidence emerged that established government involvement or orchestration of 9/11 beyond a shadow of a doubt, what do you think would happen to America ?'
After years, the UK govt decided to allow a UK investigation into the death of the Princess of Wales, it is still ongoing. Apparently it has turned up new witnesses. The fact it is happening shows that public pressure finally paid off. Basically people did not let go of the 'conspiracy theories'. The father of Dodi Fayed would not let the matter drop and he got access to the msm. That is the difference and americans who reject looking again at what happened on 9/11, especially given the weakness of the official explanation and subsequent report, ought to at least acknowledge a 2nd, truly independent inquiry might indeed bring forward new witnesses and another account of what took place. They should equally be asking why the 9/11 families who were not happy with the offical account and raised valid concerns are not given the same access to the media. In the UK one father, not happy about the official account of
his son's death was able to be heard and although he is viewed as a controversial figure by some, he was given the airtime and the press coverage. More care was given not to marginalise or mock him. Then you look at the 7/7 victims and you meet resistance. Blair does not want to budge on that issue. It shows the pick and choose aspect of the media. Dr David Kelly's death is being re-examined by an MP.
What makes one issue taboo and another not ? Is it the possibility of those new witnesses if the safety net of a truly independent inquiry was available to them ? What you can see though is that someone is picking and choosing what can or cannot be focused on.
The Naudet's video of the
The Naudet's video of the first plane - that almost no one saw - was authentic, was a real plane,
ya real authentic.
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that CGI shit, do you think
that CGI shit, do you think that should be the main issue we try to get out in the MSM?
dude how many times do i have to answer this question? why is what i think should be the main issue or not even an issue? maybe someone should issue 911 talking points that no one is allowed to stray from. and why hasn't anyone figured out why the MSM has a blackout on the issue of 911? oh wait, someone already has.
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The no-planer's obsession
The no-planer's obsession with the second plane UA175 makes their version impossible to believe:
The Naudet's video of the first plane - that almost no one saw - was authentic, was a real plane, but the second one with
- lots of New Yorkers looking at the towers
- lots of videos from all sides
- some photographs
this one is supposed never to have existed. And all that for it not being shot down? when there was a stand down anyway, with fighters not arriving over NYC.
It is possible to fake the videos of course! And all of them! But it's too difficult to manage a cover-up of those that didn't see the plane than it is for the neocons to use their airspace-monopoly to stage the event "above our heads".
chris, this is why i said
chris, this is why i said what i said.
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james ha | Homepage | 07.05.06 - 1:40 am | #
yes james, and since you think all of us "plane huggers" are "morons" as you put it, im just saying, the feeling is mostly mutual around here for you.even if you fully believe in that CGI shit, do you think that should be the main issue we try to get out in the MSM? CGi? with all the other evidence of inside job? we should focus on CGI? you can see why the feeling is mutual right?
>CNN Fake Plane plus
>CNN Fake Plane plus 2
>http://www.positiontoknow.com/S-> ...PlaneCrash.mpeg
>brian | 07.05.06 - 6:39 am | #
In this video, the scrolltext says "not a single commercial plane flying now..." but simultaneously the THIRD PLANE is seen! That's a smoking gun!
Is anyone else having
Is anyone else having trouble watching loose change on google video??
CNN Fake
CNN Fake Plane
http://www.positiontoknow.com/S-11/vid/wtc2-p.mpeg
CNN Fake Plane plus 2
http://www.positiontoknow.com/S-11/vid/2ndPlaneCrash.mpeg
seeing how nico thinks the
seeing how nico thinks the third plane is important, it must be a waste of time.
Why would the gov't need to
Why would the gov't need to use cartoon planes when real ones work just fine?
What would the gov't gain in risking the use of cartoon planes as opposed to real planes?
This 3rd plane stuff is a phony distraction from the truth.
Nico and company: How come
Nico and company: How come you guys ONLY talk about these no plane theories? Almost how some only talk about "the jews".
Seriously, the millions who question 9/11 would be the first to support this "theory" if it had any merit, but it doesnt.
Thats why there is only about 10 to 20 people in the world who believe this garbage. You cant fake amateur video that never got "submitted' to the government, and was just straight uploaded privately.
"read all about how the port
"read all about how the port wing is swept back at an incorrect angle."
Yeah right. What a surprise they didn't get anything right, with all that CGI technology.
I remember reading on some site that in one picture the plane is about 99 percent right... as if it were possible to draw such conclusions from low-quality video footage.
STOP THIS NO PLANE BULLSHIT!
...maybe someone should
...maybe someone should trace the IP of "anonymous" again to figure that it's always the same lousy Jon Albanese fanclub and his 'gang of 4'
on this quote from
"...Besides the fact that neither you or AmandaReconwith have provided ANY verification of the source of the clip shown at:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/ ..."
what kind of verification do you need, moron?
I don't know by myself where it's coming from, neither Rosalee is claiming she knows!
We pointed out, that this was NOT shown LIVE on ABC7, so what are you trying to say??
The originals are all here, which HAD BEEN SHOWN LIVE:
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#photos
Shadow Planes 1) 13 versions
also the original complete CNN/FOX footage which picked up from ABC7 feed , is at 911chronology.com
the fireball delay footage was never available until some weeks ago.
Noone of us 'faked' it and i personally think, it's a harmless 'out of sync' and not a fake on purpose or a smoking gun for a accidental delay.
Why should it be also? It makes no sense, coz they never aired the fireball delay live, but THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1W2tW7eWvw
10 points for the idiot of the day, who has no damn clue, what we're talking about....
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com
they ONLY talk about no
they ONLY talk about no planes...and I seriously doubt care about the 9/11 families,
is that so? wow. what would you rather i talked about pock? you pick. plus, i seriously doubt whether you care about the 911 families.
How was the loud plane noise made? How were plane parts found everywhere? How was a plane cutout made instantaneously in the buildings?
how would i know how the plane noise could've been over-dubbed on there?
are you seriously bringing up plane parts everywhere again? what, you didn't like my link to the crowd of people reacting to the first explosion and that engine under the scaffold was already there behind some yellow crime tape? what, instead of answering my last question to you: did that fuselage break off as the plane hit the tower or did it go all the way thru the tower or was it trapped inside the tower when it collapsed? you now throw the plane parts up again as if they weren't planted and you hadn't ignored my question? and oddly enough pockybot, the plane cutout in the building didn't show up until after the plane was already inside. in short, while the plane was half way thru the wall, there was still no hole there.
ALL been caught posting doctored footage?
you are high my friend.
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chris, this is why i said what i said.
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No Planers and 9/11 Truth
No Planers and 9/11 Truth Bashers NEVER answer one question:
1. To the no planers:
How was the loud plane noise made in the Naudet video, and all the 2nd plane footages? How were plane parts found everywhere? How was a plane cutout made instantaneously in the buildings?
The biggest achiles heal of these no planer folks is that they ONLY talk about no planes...and I seriously doubt care about the 9/11 families, or the mountains of evidence we already have. ALSO, theyve ALL been caught posting doctored footage on youtube, then claiming they were just having some fun.
2. To the 9/11 Truth bashers:
You really think we were otld the full story, and there is no coverup?
Neither will answer these questions, and I find both highly disruptive.
also, click my name to see
also, click my name to see many other strange images of 911
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sorry. here is the photo
sorry. here is the photo that greg linked:
http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/2087.jpg
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greg: 1. Is this photo
greg:
1. Is this photo faked? http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/p...photos/ 2087.jpg
It won a prize! So does it mean i can win a prize for a good photoshop production?
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i don't think that photograph won a prize.
go here: ghostgun UA175 and scroll all the way down to find the index. then find the robert clark photograph. that is the one that won a prize. then go back to the index and find
CNN Brooklyn Heights Photograph that is the photo that you linked. read all about how the port wing is swept back at an incorrect angle.
i recommend reading the entire ghostgun UA175 report to gain an understanding of exactly what is wrong with the images of UA175 that we have been presented with.
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james ha: Thanks for that
james ha: Thanks for that better shot of the "third plane". It's pretty interesting... it does have, at least the appearance of being black and white (or dark/light colors). In addition, the plane looks larger (closer?) in realtionship to the towers, than in the previous image I saw. It would be great if someone could identify the type of jet, but if that's the best shot available... it looks pretty challenging to do so.
alex, the black/white is
alex, the black/white is easily seen here: distraction plane
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Today is the day to declare
Today is the day to declare independence today! Please help spread the truth.
I think that it is time for some strategy in the movement. I suggest that we spread the truth over a wide geographic area. Every college should particpate. Facing the truth takes courage no matter where you are. I know that a lot of people are facing this issue with a lot of courage throughout the country and the world. So can anyone crank up the truth volume a little bit somewhere else than Minnesota or Wisconsin for a while?
No doubt, one person who is brave is Jim Fetzer. Marines donÂ’t know how not to be brave. However, heroism cannot match how effective we can be with teamwork. To me, Jim Fetzer is a hero and his Marine Corps background shows in his character. He is the most prominent 911 skeptic in Minnesota and perhaps the Country. But Minnesota has turned in to a kind of battlefield lately. You see, the establishment hates Minnesota liberals. On truth topics in between Wellstone, Rowley and Fetzer you have to admit that we are outspoken around here.
If it is apparent that the truth is widespread then we will sooner dominate those liars rather than them dominating us. Perhaps they will give up on killing Minnesota liberals for a while. Duluth was a place where I used to feel safe and just donÂ’t anymore. IÂ’m sick of it and I am paranoid I guess.
I think we need help from some other great states. So IÂ’m asking our fellow skeptics please help us out and draw the heat. Cover for us by razing a ruckus. There is plenty of outrage to go around. If your state or province doesnÂ’t have an outspoken 911 critic could you speak out? Jim is a professor and I took his class. But you donÂ’t have to be a professor to make a difference.
Could you help us out in Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Arizona, Florida, New Hampshire? How about Manitoba or Saskatchewan? Can you people help us out? I know that it is not easy. Just thanks for all you have done and please do more.
Someone recently mentioned
Someone recently mentioned "radar captures" on this forum. Did such things exist in 2001, a digitally recorded radar 'logbook'? If so, this might be a smoking gun, revealing all the things they had on the hand-destroyed FAA audio tape: war games, distortions about times, fighter jets positions etc.
But i guess it's impossible to get at them: for the good old 'security reasons' - the Bushco. mafia wants to protect you from the evil Arabs.
Question to Nico or any
Question to Nico or any no-planer:
1. Is this photo faked? http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/2087.jpg
It won a prize! So does it mean i can win a prize for a good photoshop production?
2. What do you think was the neocons' strategy against New Yorkers getting on the air on hundreds of broadcasts, saying they saw no plane whatsoever, and the towers just exploded? Or was there censorship of 9/11 truth right from the first moment?
"The orwellian truth speaker
"The orwellian truth speaker know exactly what they're doing.
The threat against Dixon is real, because he accidentally found a smoking gun related too close to the CGIs"
This doesn't make sense, because by making threats you do not silence that view point, you attract attention to that view. If the orwellian truth speakers were really concerned about this view point attracting wide spread attention, they certainly would not make death threts to put the spotlight on it.
>complete desperation on
>complete desperation on part of the >government, a tactical error
I absolutely agree. Karl Rove is in full swing again in the White House, and the recent Zarqawi, Zawahiri, Osama - tapes came out for a reason: to brush over the increasing doubt of the official version. Nor was it a coincidence that just today, 4th July, with lot's of other exciting news being aired, the CIA closed down it's Osama-hunting unit - normally a bit of a bombshell.
So if any outside influence is excerted on the 9/11 truth people, this has to be treated with utmost suspicion. The 3rd plane might have an innocent explanation after all.
But I also stronly think much of the "second guessing" like about the Pentagon video is exaggerating the enemy: As the Osama fake video and the latest Zarqawi-oddities show, they aren't that perfect. Their main weapon is the mass media 'bulldozer' they use to flatten over every mistake the alternative media tries to expose.
Nico: you said: "
Nico: you said: " Alex,
what's your problem?"
Besides the fact that neither you or AmandaReconwith have provided ANY verification of the source of the clip shown at:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/, my "problem" is that you and apparently, AmandaReconowith, continue to litter this blog with your distracting, quasi-research.
The links you provided lead to a headache-inducing hodgepodge of video frames that do little or nothing to prove your point. I can only conclude, as others have, that your purpose is to distract and undermine the movement. If you provide PROOF, not hearsay, for the source of the above referenced clip, I will apologize. But you won't, and I won't. Nor will I continue to be sucked into your bizzarro world. Back to focusing on the known facts.
Nico is the worst kind of
Nico is the worst kind of pond scum and disinfo artist. ignore him at all costs.
"...There very well could me
"...There very well could me much more damaging info hiding behind the third plane, but the threats themselves could also be some type of diversion.."
I always said, that the planehuggers are more brainwashed into being afraid of real aircrafts than the fake CGIs.
Ask yourself why.
The CameraPlanet plane, also shown in one non-live CNN footage shows that it passes the crime scene when butter-CGI enters.
The Rick Siegel helicopters are pointing too strongly on the WESCAM chopper for WABC7 or another chopper filmimg opposite simulated flight paths.
The orwellian truth speaker know exactly what they're doing.
The threat against Dixon is real, because he accidentally found a smoking gun related too close to the CGIs, while the threat against Barrett is scripting to strengthen the general credibility of the 9/11scholars alive to keep the focus on controlled demolition straight, while Prof.Jones is hangouting against the unconventional part of the controlled demolition (no word on nano thermite anymore), in case the 9/11 perps will turn CD finally into a red herring via bogus insurance scam or al-quaeda spin...
but 9/11 truthlings won't wake up in time...
TheBob: You said: "Either
TheBob:
You said: "Either way, I think we should keep our focus on wtc 7 and the norad response."
Absolutely. I generally don't venture into the la-la land of fake videos and other vague, half-baked, distractions. I'm just fed up with the crap that's being tossed around as 911 truth, and I chose today to point it out. It will make little or no difference, just venting and avoiding work.
There is something very odd
There is something very odd going on. There very well could me much more damaging info hiding behind the third plane, but the threats themselves could also be some type of diversion, to make it appear that there is something to this issue of the third plane. IMO it is not our government's style to simply make a death threat to someone and their family. This administration would either kill without warning, or use the media and its other tools to ruin the life and career of the said person.(Which is exactly what is happening to Barrett)
In this digital age of information exchange, giving veiled threats to someone will not stop the idea from exchanging hands. It causes just the opposite, it creates the rapid transfer of this information throughout the movement.
Why threaten someone in a truth movement such as this, knowing that in all certaintity everyone in the movement would find out about it?? Either you are trying to frighten the more certified people of the 9/11 truth movement (Which has a 0% chance of success, considering that some scholar will be around to follow up his work), or you want the focus of the movement to turn to this issue.
That is, unless this was a fatal mistake on their part. This may be a sign of complete desperation on part of the government, a tactical error that will only lead to a greater understanding of what happened on 9/11.
Either way, I think we should keep our focus on wtc 7 and the norad response. Don't get me wrong, I think a more complete and scientific analysis of the third plane hypothesis should be done. For if the possibility of a third plane could give more ammunition to 9/11 truth it could only be a good thing.
Alex, what's your
Alex,
what's your problem?
The original live broadcast clip from W-ABC started airing with the WESCAM helicooter ~ 40 seconds before the second attack and then zoomed 11 seconds before the CGI appeared LIVE on both towers, synched also into the feed of NBC, FOX NEWS and CNN.
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html
The original unedited footage is available at 911chronology.com, as pointed out various times on my blog!
We already analysed that this fireball delay video was NOT shown LIVE and is obviously just a screw-up in the synch.
It is analysed on webfairy's site and has nothing to do with other smoking guns on 9/11 tv fakery.
Furthermore the ORIGINAL WABC7 clip still contradicts with the LIVE FOX 5 LOCAL cgi and simulated flightpath, as described here:
FOX Local 5 'broadcast' CGI contradicts FOX News angle and 'live' CGI
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_911tvfakery_archive.html
also
http://www.gnn.tv/B16458
"11. September – en innsidejobb?"
"...It is a fact that none of the four hijacked planes were intercepted by fighter planes..."
because there was nothing to intercept :)
Jules, I agree with your
Jules,
I agree with your entire post regarding Mr. Dixon's paper. And yet, if threats were received, what nerve did it hit?
I get more flak by saying
I get more flak by saying that AA77 did not hit the Pentagon than Nico & pals get in claiming that cartoon planes hit the WTC. Idiots.
McCain is a complete
McCain is a complete jackass. He's tortured & almost dies in an unjust war, Vietnam. So now as Senator, what did he learn? He supports another false war, Iraq (and Afganistan).
I wish that 911blogger would
I wish that 911blogger would upgrade their blogging system to include user moderation, a la Slashdot. It would be nice if we could rate the quality of a given post or author- so that there was some easy way to filter out the stuff like hologram shiite, etc.
>McCain been out there
>McCain been out there bashing
I just don't think he's part of the original conspirators. The ones that had foreknowledge and let it/made it happen. Without his support there wouldn't have been a 9/11 commission at all, some say.
But now him not criticizing Bush/Cheney/9/11 and not plainly walking out on the Republican madhouse makes him of course a conspirator of silence just like the MSM.
After watching the
After watching the Cameraplanet footage, I'd have to call "fakery", though I'd like to see a full res version first. This video DOES look familiar, and I don't previously recall seeing a plane in it, though I could be mistaken.
As the camera pulls out, the plane "blinks out", which COULD be argued as compression of the video. However, there's a couple of items that suggest this isn't the case.
1. is that it's wider than the antenna on the north tower, yet the visual info of the antenna is lost in a smoother It's motion in the final few frames doesn't seem right to me either, as if it was comped in using a 2D program, as opposed to a real 3D calculation.
2: if you watch near the top right of the smoke coming from the north tower, there's a bird in the foreground of the smoke, and although it's got a smaller pixel count (width and depth) than the plane, it disappears a couple of frames later, and more smoothly as the resolution is lost.
It's also interesting (though not necessarily nefarious) that there is what appears to be a pro-style timecode counter on this video (similar to what's seen on BetaSP broadcast gear).
As for the webfairy video, that's clearly faked, since it doesn't match up with my CNN footage from the day, unless of course, the counter argument is that the fake footage aired on the morning of 9/11, and the webfairy footage is the real undoctored tape (which seems like a bit of a stretch to me).
There's been so much publicly available footage, that DOESN'T show the 3rd (and 4th?) plane, that I have to lean towards the hoax/disinfo theory (not that I'm accusin anyone at st911 of being in on it).
The "tv fakery" renders all
The "tv fakery" renders all the other investigations baseless: the main proof for controlled demolition at the WTC stems from the goddamn videos, and the moment you can't even trust the amateur videos anymore, the moment these 'amateurs' were all conspirators, there is no evidence whatsoever anymore.
Maybe that's the "no-planers" goal: Pull the rug away underneath of all the other research, while admitting it was all a hoax, we're just not going to get the real perps. because we've got no chance, they were too powerful with tv illusions etc.
In other words, they are the "Jack Ruby" of 9/11.
and it would also be nice if
and it would also be nice if there were a registration for comments in order to separate one anonymous from another.
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chris, i did use the word morons and for that i apologize while realizing that apology is lame at best.
thank you for acknowledging that i talk about more than cgi. i don't think that nico is a shill/agent and i have a feeling that he believes many of the 911truth gang to be shill/agents. realize that nico and team8 have revealed many NSA/pentagon/mcmedia/etc. connections as well as highjacker info, so it's not as if he has been narrow minded.
(if i'm incorrect about nico & team8 then my apologies to him and them as well).
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down with mcCain!
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In other words, they are the
In other words, they are the "Jack Ruby" of 9/11.
That's a very concise way of putting it.
I couldn't agree more.
I honestly don't know what
I honestly don't know what to make of Reynolds Dixon's "Elephant" article.
If I had to take a stab at it, I'd say Mr. Dixon was hoodwinked by the footage, and that the threats were probably coming from the same people who planted the doctored footage in the first place.
This would just create more press in the "9/11 movement" and lend both more credence to it's authenticity and the machinations of sinister forces, setting people up for a fall when it's revealed as a hoax.
"Loose Change" refered to
"Loose Change" refered to the little evidence the perps. left behind, after trucking away the whole crimescene. Now no-plane is out there to destroy this last rest of evidence. In a "9/11 trial", they would be on the defense team calling the whole evidence against Bushco. into doubt.
>people up for a fall when
>people up for a fall when it's revealed >as a hoax.
The death threats could be coming from anyone. Like Republicans/Bush loyalists that are worried that this would be a hard piece of 9/11 evidence, when they actually don't know what really happened. They're just some worried "conspirators of silence".
The death threats could be
The death threats could be coming from anyone.
That's entirely possible too. I guess I'm overly cynical, given the little credence I find in the "Elephant" article itself (or rather, the footage it uses to support the theory).
Just smells of a COINTELPRO straw man.
(Note: not accusing Mr. Dixon)
you only apologized because
you only apologized because you were caught! haha, just kidding, its no big deal.i know Nico has done work on 9/11 other than CGI in the past, but now all he does is poison everywhere he goes with constant CGI CGI CGI!!!!!!!he shows up with questionable sources at best and screams like its gospel. this is not, and should not be at the forefront of exposing the lies of 9/11 to the general public and mainstream media.when there is so much info indicating inside job, there is no need to scream CGI from the roof tops, no matter how strongly you feel about the subject. i recognize that the Pentagon is a touchy subject as well, and many in the "9/11 truth movement" believe it is a poison pill meant to make us look bad at a later date when the other 84 tapes are released. i happen to disagree, but i recognize that going around screaming only about my beliefs on Flight 77 and the Pentagon,and nothing else, is not very smart considering how much other evidence is available.its worth mentioning, but not worth making your main/only argument. Nico doesnt get it, he never will, disinfo agent or not.
It seems to me that any
It seems to me that any discussion of a picture (still photo, real film, digital film, movie film, video, digital video, or CGI) must carry with it, in a formal inquiry and even in a public discussion, some in-depth discussion of provenance, chain of custody, technical review by experts, etc., or else it is simply not worth the time. If any supposed imagery that was faked, hoaxed, manipulated or created in a studio was broadcast or published by an MSM source, there is also the need to document that in some detail, backed up with times, recordings, logs, testimony etc. Saying it is so does not make it so. Any image portrayed by anyone within a film or web site or other means must thus be able to be backed up by such documentation, later if not now. Otherwise, it is just entertainment, and there's enough of that already available.
Sorry, that post right above
Sorry, that post right above was meant to be in another thread.