Mineta and FAA showing that flight 77 was being tracked on its way to Washington (and the Commission omitting this evidence) must be the "fear spot" for the KOS admins. Those of you who still want to post, keep hammering that in. ;-)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/5/152450/0414

You said it, Susan!

there is a lot i don't agree with in this rant.

tree-hugging terrorists
white europeans
juedo-christian foundation
national language
language selection at ATMs, etc...
being born an American citizen..

but the 9/11 stuff...kudos!

This doesn't get very much attention in the 9/11 Truth Movement, and I think it's time that it started to. I just wanted to put it out there so you guys know about it.

Anthrax attacks

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/9-11-Commission-Critique.rtf

The Commission seems to have decided not to address the anthrax terrorist attacks that followed close on the heels of September 11th, though they clearly fall under its legal mandate.

“Capitol Hill Anthrax Matches Army's Stocks, 5 Labs Can Trace Spores to Ft. Detrick”, Rick Weiss and Susan Schmidt, Washington Post, 16 Dec 2001 Early investigations into the source of the anthrax led to a US strain called Ames, often used for weaponization research by Army bioweapons labs. Despite some early polygraph interviews and a search at Ft. Detrick, the investigation in that direction seems to have ground to a halt.

Just before the outset of the 9/11 attacks the New York Times and the London Sunday Times broke the story of a growing international scandal involving US violations of its international biowarfare treaties, involving Operation Clear Vision and Project Jefferson, which were aimed at testing a makeshift anthrax lab, an “anthrax bomb” and the development of a new genetically modified strain of anthrax that would be more distributable and more resistant to antibiotics. The DIA announced at a press briefing that they had created a “new generation” of anthrax as part of Project Jefferson on September 9, 2001, on orders of Secretary Rumsfeld. In less than a month anthrax fitting this description was mailed to specific people, some of whom influence national perspective and policy and also opposed the current administration’s policies and the emerging Patriot Act, up to that point.

Just before the first anthrax envelope was mailed out the FBI contacted the University of Iowa at Ames, which for seventy years had maintained an extensive archive of every known strain of the natural pathogen anthrax, and provided culture samples for research on cures and weaponization to research facilities. After speaking with the FBI, the University agreed to destroy this valuable archive. A careful DNA and chemical analysis of the anthrax used in the attacks clearly identified it as an Ames strain, with sophisticated genetic engineering and advanced weaponization that could only have been created by an American biological warfare laboratory. Such analysis allows investigators to identify the specific batch from which the anthrax was cultured as well as a paper trail to the agency using it for weaponization research. With the archive destroyed, this was impossible.

The new strain was more resistant to the usual antibiotic treatments and more weaponized and distributable than had been seen up to that time, according to press reports. It had jumped from billions to a trillion spores per gram, showed no signs of milling, and no electromagnetic charge. The cure and preventive of choice was Cipro, a product of Bioport, a company linked to the Battelle Memorial Labs in Ohio and Porton, both bioweapons contractors. The White House staff were put on Cipro on September 12, the first anthrax mailing arrived in October.

There is clearly more to this story and the “Amerithrax” investigation continues under FBI direction, but most leads point to a US military bioweapon source. These leads might have told us more about the strategy of tension and false sponsorship for terrorist acts if they had been followed more rigorously.

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ON DAILY KOS!?!?!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/5/152450/0414

This could be a very, very, very GOOD sign for 9/11 Truthers.

I'm not holding my breath though.

DHS:

The points you single [out] are wise to shy away from. Her ATM troubles are really quite trite, compared to a real life police state. Maybe she's asking for the moon, yet willing to settle for planet Earth.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff07032006.html

i agree, the Anthrax attacks should be discussed in 9/11 truth circles more. its an extension of the attacks themselves.

That's a good "refresher", and a good video for "newbies".

And I don't agree with Matt Sellitto.

On his comments regarding Kean... it's been a while since I've watched this.

Ya know... people talk about Ray McGovern, but look what this man has done for the 9/11 Truth Movement. He's been to almost every meeting it seems... and look at what he's saying about the President... jesus... I remember watching this live.

Reading the comments at the Daily Kos I'm questioning my own sanity? I don't think I'm feeble minded? What is it that I'm missing?

The venom is really something.

I have decided that Daily Kos is simply unsanitary in terms of mental hygiene, and I shan't be reading or posting there anymore. There's a swarm of shills ready to pounce on 9/11 truth using no logic, no facts, and just the meanest-spirited rhetoric ever. In fact, I think it's pretty much only shills who read that sort of diary there, and it's really a waste of time to engage with them. I admire Vesa's patience tremendously, but reading the posts there just makes me feel sick.

No more casting pearls before swine.

Jon your link doesn't work

"Daily Kos-sters"

deep, deep, DEEP denial.

Rude awakening, soon come.

The mean-spirited and nasty anti-truther comments contradict the results of the poll which now stands at 97% v 2% in favor of those who believe the gov lied re 9/11.

Go figure?

African American: Fantastic updates on the Le Monde article! Thanks! Please keep us posted on further progress.

Jon: Excellent recall of those very important anthrax attacks! Anthrax has basically gotten a free pass so far. That must stop.

YouCrazyDiamond:

Sorry about the length and repetitiveness.... I just want to be sure people understand.

There's nothing automatic about the transponder, save for the encoding aspect to send Ident. code and cock-pit Indicated Alt. BACK to ground radar with every sweep, for ground based confirmation.

It's a manual switch and manual code entry. That's the point. The pilot must do so manually after speaking with, or being told by, ATC to make ANY change. If the pilot is incapacitated, or uncooperative, ATC has at least one red flag up at that moment. Nobody cares from that point forward what the transponder is doing, on or off. It's like constantly repeating a password, until you fuck up, everything is cool. Once you fuck up, you better come clean real fast or ATC needs to get on the phone (If DoD didn't notice first).

The altitude component of encoding transponders still seems to be a source of confusion.

Ground based radar is able to calculate an objects position (compass direction from the radar station) as well as altitude. The objects altitude is a slightly more complex mathematical calculation, needing to account for error the further away the object is and compounded by curvature of the Earth. But this is a relatively simple and automatic task for the ATC.

What is happening IN ADDITION with this device in the cock-pit, the transponder, is it includes with the Identification Code number, a second piece of information... what the pilot is seeing as his Indicated Altitude.

The Indicated Altitude (a calculation based on barometric pressure), can simply be wrong if the pilot does not have current weather conditions with which he needs to constantly tune the instrument for. As you fly along, you are constantly moving through different weather cells, and this greatly effects the accuracy of your Indicated Altitude if it's not compensated for by constantly readjusting the instrument.

This is one of the most important pieces of information a pilot needs, to make sure he holds at a designated altitude (Like lanes of traffic, aircraft get into "lanes" not only divided side by side to pass, but also above and below), to avoid high terrain or surprisingly high reaching ground based antennas marked on charts or flight path computers.

Class C Encoding Transponders, take the information from that OTHER instrument (what the pilot thinks his altitude) and constantly sends this back to the ground to be CONFIRMED with what ground based stations ALSO calculate, independently. If there is a discrepancy, ATC notifies the pilot in very friendly terms that he appears to be high or low according to the ATC assigned altitude. The pilot calls back and thanks ATC. So common and appropriate is this, the barometric tuning of the instrument is actually done in reverse. Barometric pressure becomes known to the pilot, because ACT tells the PILOT what altitude he is at and to rest his instrument.

My overarching point:

The transponder in not integral in telling ATC, nor the DoD, at what altitude something is at. If it's turned off completely, who cares that it be reset? The red-flag is up. And stays up until the pilot tells an extremely compelling story as to why he flubbed his ongoing password.

ATC already had some clue as to the altitude the aircraft was at, BEFORE it asks the transponder to tell ATC what altitude the pilot THINKS he's at. ATC tells the ARICRAFT, not the other way around. ATC constantly interrogates each and every plane of this type, size and flight path. ANY change or misstep with the (password) code (or altitude reading for everyday safety) and ATC, or DoD, should know something is WRONG.

Multiply that by four, and the odds skyrocket against "lost" aircraft... or confusion.

According to the blog post, Susan wrote:

I am angry that the more I read about 9-11 the more it looks like an inside job that was allowed to happen (emphasis added)

Just imagine how angry she'll be when she finally snaps out of it and realizes that "it" wasn't at all what she thought it was!!!

No way could "Muslim hijackers" account for The burst of light evident in the only known video of the 1st WTC impact (ignored by the 9-11 Commission and most of the [mis]"leaders" of the 911 "truth movement" alike), or the fact that the aircraft [barely] seen in the Pentagon video is TOO DARN SMALL TO BE A 757!!! (ignored by the 9-11 Commission; pathetically disregarded and duplicitously downplayed by many of the [mis]"leaders" of the 911 "truth movement", and their minions)

If the 9/11 "truth movement" were what it pretends to be, by now every American would know that 1)whatever it was that hit the Pentagon, it was too small to have been a 757, 2)the towers fell way too fast to blame "the collapses" on "airplanes" (hijacked or otherwise!), and 3)since we can't blame the Pentagon impact on a "hijacked 757" or the "collapses" on "airplanes", we ought to long ago have moved beyond blaming "9/11" on "evil suicidal Muslim hijackers".

Instead, what we have is a false-flag-operation truth movement, and plenty of people who still talk about "it" (9/11) as if we can take the government's word for what happened that day -- which is as absurd as believing that the treasonously corrupt Powers That Be entrusted their world-altering Constitution-destroying ultra-high-risk one-shot plans to the likes of "Hani Hanjour", who couldn't fly well enough to be able to rent a Cessna!
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That should have read "reset", not rest.

If there is a discrepancy, ATC notifies the pilot in very friendly terms that he appears to be high or low according to the ATC assigned altitude. The pilot calls back and thanks ATC. So common and appropriate is this, the barometric tuning of the instrument is actually done in reverse. Barometric pressure becomes known to the pilot, because ACT tells the PILOT what altitude he is at and to reset his instrument.

Erin, wouldn't the military be able to track airliners regardless of a transponder signal or not?

One of my favorite parts of the letter was:

"I am angry that my "leaders" have taken to calling my country the "homeland.""

I DESPISE that term. I want to grind it under my heel, stomp on it and then burn it.

To me it sums up the whole "Nazification" aspect of the Bush Administration.

Anonymous:

"...wouldn't the military be able to track airliners regardless of a transponder signal or not?"

Damn skippy right!

Where are Kyle Hence, Katharine Austine Fitts, and other early 9/11 Truth leaders now?

Also,the anthrax was sent to the offices of Democrats(!)Tom Dascle and Patrick Leahy,whose jurisdiction was the Patriot Act, and who, of course voted for the Patriot Act after the anthrax attacks.

alex:

she called it socialism.

some would call that a misnomer.

Welcome to the party Lady.

Thank you, casseia, for posting Killtown's "pull it" text. As Dolan was not satisfied, could someone (monsieur le prof for a change?) please point her to the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", where you'll hear a guy saying "we're getting ready to pull Building 6" in mid-December 2001.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en...07/ 321426.shtml

Can you guys still see a poll in my diary? Someone told me that it continues and that over 700 have voted. I don't see any. I'm puzzled.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...7/5/152450/ 0414

A suggestion. Could some of you guys encourage people there to civil disobedience by e.g. including the text "I do not believe the official story", or something like that, in their signatures? You could even create a poll for the best signature (that would technically avoid violating Kos policy)! Kos would then have to either revise his policy or have to see such things in potentially most posts.

Here's a working link:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en...07/321426.shtml

i respect anyone that goes into battle over at dailykos. I've put my definitely put my time in there, but it's just so exausting. i've actually been banned twice now.

just remember, if you ever post a diary, make sure you post a poll with it. Most people don't want to bother with 10 or so trolls that always show up, but are more than happy to vote in the poll. They are almost always 90% in favor of 911 Truth.

keep up the good work everyone!

I think a tactic on Daily Kos and others is to ask them to prove the official story first. I'll bet they soon have trouble proving anything.
Anonymous | 07.05.06 - 9:08 pm | #

I agree totally. I've been thinking for a long time that the easiest way to introduce people to 9/11 Truth is to show them, first, that all the previous government-sponsored investigations have been inadequate (a process akin to arguing that the sun will rise tomorrow). Because most people will then want to know, "Why hasn't there been a decent investigation? What are they hiding?"

Vesa, you were banned by KOS. I think that's why you're having problems. good work though. i think that's the most votes i've seen on a 9/11 poll. well done.

"Vesa, you were banned by KOS. I think that's why you're having problems."

Yeah, apparently that is why I can't even see the poll results. Perhaps I'll need to log out of there...

How many have voted now?

I hope someone can consider my suggestions above while I'm on holiday. I'll repeat them:

Could some of you guys encourage people there to civil disobedience by e.g. including the text "I do not believe the official story", or something like that, in their signatures? You could even create a poll for the best signature (that would technically avoid violating Kos policy)! Kos would then have to either revise his policy or have to see such things in potentially most posts.

Also, someone could point to the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", where you'll hear a guy saying "we're getting ready to pull Building 6" in mid-December 2001. (Dolan foolishly insists that "pull" is not demolition slang.)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en...07/321426.shtml

Sorry, I don't know why that got posted twice.

As you can see, I'm trying to have an ongoing revolution at Kos started as my legacy. ;-)

It appears that all Mineta comments were again removed from the Comments section. Here is what I posted (and reposted after they deleted it until I no longer could):

Debunk *this*

The U.S. Minister of Transportation Norman Mineta told in his detailed testimony to the 9/11 Commission that Vice-President Cheney was in the White House command bunker at 9:25, talking with his subordinate about the plane approaching Washington. Mineta's testimony appears in the Commission's transcript, but has been cut from the Commission's video archive.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_20...

Cheney's presence there at that time is confirmed by other sources as well, including a White House photographer and the New York Times. Richard Clarke's account suggests that Cheney went to the command bunker before 9:15.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20051205150219651

Mineta's testimony was also confirmed by ABC News:

"Vice President Cheney and National Security Adviser Rice, in their bunker below the White House, are told by an aide that an airplane is headed toward Washington from 50 miles away. The plane is Flight 77. FAA deputy Monty Belger says, 'Well We're watching this target on the radar, but the transponder's been turned off. So we have no identification.' They are given further notices when the plane is 30 miles away, then ten miles away, until it disappears from radar."

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3601

The FAA memo submitted to the Commission also showed that flight 77 was being tracked while it approached Washington:

"Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA command center, FAA headquarters, DOD, the Secret Service and other government agencies. The U.S. Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD on a separate line. The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest, including Flight 77."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_20...

What did the 9/11 Commission do?

It completely ignored all this evidence and said that Cheney arrived at the command bunker at 9:58 at the earliest and claimed that the strike against the Pentagon came as a surprise.

casseia,

I understand, and am really quite happy at the success of my last diary. ;-) Thank you very much for what you did (and the others too).

You're "my kind of girl", as they say. :-)

I like to add again. Markos is a former military man who was asked to go work for the CIA after he left the service. They *say* he declined. How come he has all this "progressive" juice? How did he get here in the first place.

Netroots? Maybe. Strategic Placement? Probably.

OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD, PEOPLE! He's one of them!

Added a few comments too.

...to dailykos discussion.

I happen to agree with John Henry, KOS is one of the only bloggers that gets "airtime" with any MSM and as a so called progressive flatly refuses to discuss 9/11 or election fraud which are the ONLY 2 things that even should be discussed on a progressive blog as nothing else matters until those 2 are taken care of.

I was banned twice from KOS myself for doing nothing but posting 9/11 material.

Also if you will notice it is now over 1100 votes cast with 98% Vs 1% on the 9/11 truth side, YET just about every single post you see is negative, INSANELY negative.
Sorry but in reality that is impossible, it is clear that almost all post that are possitive are being deleted and/or the poster banned.

KOS is a joke and the worst thing to happen to the progressive movement

Vesa dear... in America, they are labeled "Secretary", and not "Minister"...

Secretary Of Transportation, Norman Mineta.

"I am angry that my government perceives my intelligence to be that of a jar of pickles incapable of making the smallest decision."

That has nothing to do with the "government." The very fact that she believes that "9/11 was an inside job" means that she has no ability to think clearly or rationally whatsoever.

I think she's just angry for having to face the reality of her own lack of intelliegence.

Vesa:

Another thought on how to break through the KOS brigade is perhaps to post diaries on 9/11 related topics without ever mentioning 9/11 directly.

For example, a diary on the physics of building collapses.

Erin has already compiled a very nice diary on how airplanes are tracked, etc.

Just remove all references to 9/11 and see what the response is at KOS.

I think people will know what such a diary is in reference to at this point in the game without even having to mention 9/11.

And if all that can be done at KOS is to disseminate small pieces of knowledge, then so be it. (And I expect that many if not most people will know why they are learning about a given topic in such a diary.) And that knowledge is actually quite critical to understanding what really happened on 9/11.

Some further thoughts on the “revolution” that is needed at KOS (and perhaps other web sites):

In as much as there are a lot of “progressive” or “liberal” people that are perhaps more committed to activism than the ordinary citizen at web sites like KOS, a reasonable inference can be made (along with all the other tabulated observations of how that web site is operating) that this is indeed a web site that is being used to check and contain (as in compromise) an important part of our base.

(Yes, I know that this issue of 9/11 transcends all party lines, etc. IÂ’m simply pointing out that this is a group of people that could be really dangerous to Bush Co, which is why they are being held prisoner at web sites like KOS.)

A web site like KOS is then seen as a false-front operation in which an important segment of our base remains captive, very much like a POW, but they may not even be fully aware that they are being held against their will in this deceitful manner.

We should perhaps consider it a priority to recapture this segment of our base and free these POWs so that they can get back into active duty in the “war on terror” (the one against BushCo, etc., of course). And it should also be noted that this is an example of a group of people I alluded to in an earlier post that are more likely to have open minds, etc. Thus, they are most likely a high-value target for recapture and redeployment.

One approach that has been rather successful in the past has been to set up underground movements. (Does anybody have a decent knowledge about what went on in France during WWII?) To do this at a web site like KOS, we might start by contacting those members that appear to understand, or at least show the capacity to do so, in order to solicit their active support in the “revolution.”

We should also consider if there are any obvious ways of monitoring our progress in this “revolution.”
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One aspect of this “war on terror” is that people often don’t seem to understand or appreciate the necessity of exposing and correcting the perceptions and knowledge of what took place on 9/11 (as well as before and after) as being of paramount importance in putting human civilization on a sustainable course, etc. (But I’m preaching to the choir, right?)