Victim's Father Bill Doyle Dicusses 9/11 Coverup - MP3 Download

Bill Doyle, father of Joey Doyle, and a leading member of 9/11 Families for a Secure America and 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, was on the Alex Jones Show yesterday to discuss the coverup of 9/11. Mr. Doyle covered a variety of subjects, and issued a call to action against the TSA at the end of the show, which you can find out more about via a recent article on the subject posted here.

Here are a few quotes from the interview:

Jones: Sir you have questions about the official story don't you?

Doyle: oh, without question. if you wanna believe [..] the 9/11 commission - that's all a fallacy.
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Jones: .. its just an ongoing coverup. Sir, do you smell a rat?

Doyle: oh, well there is no question [..] there is something very questionable about this whole procedure.
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Doyle: The 9/11 commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 families, or for that matter the American public, because it is a sham, it really is. We had tons of questions that we asked them to ask, they wouldn't do it, and the continuing coverup is just beyond belief.
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Doyle: It almost looks like there was a conspiracy about 9/11 if you really look at all the facts, a lot of the families feel the same way.
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Doyle: From everything that I have looked at I am sure there is a lot of complicity at least - in the least - there had to be a lot of complicity.
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Doyle: There is just such a continuing coverup, why don't [they] just let the information about 9/11 be known? Then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but its never gunna go away, or at least i don't think it ever can go away, because they were complicit.
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Jones: With your 7,000 members [..] what percentage, just guesstimation, would you say believe that 9/11 was an inside job to some extent.

Doyle: Maybe half, maybe. It's probably 50-50, you know a lot of people themselves are probably trying to move on in life, and a lot of them are seeking mental health organizations [..] they don't even want to look back to 9/11 because they just can't believe that our government failed them so badly.

A big thanks to everyone who sent this great interview in, as well as to the guys at nw0.info where you can find the full copy of Alex's show yesterday.

Nice post!

Nice post!

what a brave man.finally a

what a brave man.finally a 9/11 family memer willing to talk about the NORAD standdown and controlled demolition.

this is old, im sure most of

this is old, im sure most of you have seen this, but its worth posting again:

http://www.mackwhite.com/northwoods.html

Dude... Chris... you're not

Dude... Chris... you're not giving the family members enough credit.

dude, they had so many

dude, they had so many oppurtunities to talk about hard eveidence on national television and decided not to multiple times. Breitwieser was on Hardball with Chris Matthews not too long ago. did she mention WTC7? NORAD? anything close to that?

im glad the Jersey Girls are

im glad the Jersey Girls are at least doing something, but if they think by going on TV and asking that "the wall between the CIA and FBI needs to be broken down" and other things straight out of the Comission report is enough to cause any change, they are kidding themselves.

i get what their doing

i get what their doing though, they dont want to be painted as "conspiracy theorists" so they play it safe when on national television. im sorry, but i would much rather they talk about the real issues like Mr. Doyle here.

Imagine this Chris. What

Imagine this Chris. What kind of "investigation" would we have had if not for them?

I have criticized Kristen on SEVERAL occassions, but if you look their statements over the last 5 years, you will see SEVERAL of the same statements that we've made several times.

Which goes back to what??

Well said, Chris:-)

Well said, Chris:-)

that means i should give her

that means i should give her a complete pass for wasting various national TV appearences? like i said, at least they are doing something, but i just wish they would go further when in these interviews.they are clearly under the illusion that if they play it "safe" and dont talk about WTC7 etc. they will somehow have more credibility.you say shes made the same statements as us right? why not on national tv? why does she muzzle herself when on Hardball etc.? i appreciate what she and the Jersey Girls have done,but that doesnt mean they are above criticism. this shit is bigger than the ones they lost that day, this is about our country and by extension the world. she is not above criticism.

Jon, I agree with Chris. The

Jon, I agree with Chris. The Jersey Girls seem to have suggested LIHOP or MIHOP more a few years ago than they do now. Why?

It goes back to the media,

It goes back to the media, and what they're willing to print, and talk about during their news broadcasts.

Chris, she is not above criticism, but she deserves respect. I'm trying to insure that the 9/11 Truth Movement ALWAYS is respectful to the family members. ALL of them. I just don't want this to turn into a family bashing discussion.

I am having severe problems with my internet connection. The problems are ONLY for 911blogger.com and my site. This has been going on for a few weeks now. The connectivity is sporadic. My ability to post is sporadic. Has anybody else been experiencing these kinds of problems or is it just me?

"Jon, I agree with Chris.

"Jon, I agree with Chris. The Jersey Girls seem to have suggested LIHOP or MIHOP more a few years ago than they do now. Why?"

Actually, out of the 4 Jersey Girls, which has gotten the most attention since the release of the report?

The answer is Kristen. She is the one who has held back the most.

Why, I don't know. I still respect her though.

It took me 5x just to post

It took me 5x just to post that.

how did i disreaspect her? i

how did i disreaspect her? i think your fawning over Press For Truth a bit much or something. i didnt disrespect her.

"Half of the 9/11 families

"Half of the 9/11 families think it was an inside job!"

That's a good line to drop when arguing with the uninformed...

"how did i disreaspect her?

"how did i disreaspect her? i think your fawning over Press For Truth a bit much or something. i didnt disrespect her."

You didn't. I was just pointing out all of the hard work they put into this.

I said I don't want this to turn into a family bashing discussion.

Just letting people know that if you bash the families, you will have to answer for it.

OT: Article supposedly

OT: Article supposedly written by a National Security Agency trained Electronic Warfare specialist:

"Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11."
http://www.viewzone.com/911revisited.html

I thought Kristen's last

I thought Kristen's last appearance on Hardball was actually pretty good. No, she didn't come right out and say the things we would have said, but overall, I thought it was a good appearance.

I HATED when the family members pushed the official line, and offiical recommendations, and gave ANY endorsement to the commission members, etc... That made me sick to my stomach.

I have come to recognize that, as Bill Doyle said, "a lot of people themselves are probably trying to move on in life, and a lot of them are seeking mental health organizations".

Mental Health Organizations... think about that. Think about the anguish these people must feel. The anger. I can't imagine it.

great link Alex.

great link Alex.

A transcript of the June

A transcript of the June 26th oversight hearing on pre-Iraq war intelligence is now available at the website of the Senate Democratic Policy Committee. Testimony from Lawrence Wilkerson and other high-powered insiders discloses administration schemes and mendacity leading to war. (This committee, btw,should be encouraged to hold hearings on 9/11 truth.)

Jon, as if mentioning WTC7

Jon, as if mentioning WTC7 on tv is gonna really hurt her that much more than she already is? thats all im saying, is that she wasted a lot of great oppurtunities. i dont expect anything from any of the victims families. they are the real victims and they have no obligation to do anything.but Kristin made a choice to put herself out there and she has repeatedly played it way too safe. which leads me to my original point that i wish that Bill Doyle or someone as brave as him was the one getting all the MSM appearences.this is not a "bashing" of the Jersey Girls, its just praise for a brave man like Bil Doyle.

fyi, i was having major

fyi, i was having major problems with 911blogger.com last week. and it wasnt just my computer, it happened at my work computer as well.

Bill Doyle is a great guy

Bill Doyle is a great guy who has done some great things. Check the website he built in memory of his son.

www.joeydoyle.com

the type of problems i was

the type of problems i was having with it were mainly with the comments. i couldnt get the comments to pop up,and when i did it would take forever. its better now though.

As if mentioning anything

As if mentioning anything would hurt her at this point. I posted on her blog on Huffington Post, "JUST SAY IT"...

I would love to see the media interview Bill Doyle. If Kristen gets on TV again, and says nothing, I will probably be mad. In a respectful kind of way.

"Sibel's another beautiful

"Sibel's another beautiful person"...

Priceless quote.

"how did i disreaspect her?

"how did i disreaspect her? i think your fawning over Press For Truth a bit much or something. i didnt disrespect her."
You didn't. I was just pointing out all of the hard work they put into this.

Granted. But why should the Jersey Girls not want to make certain that the real perpetrators are punished & prevented from doing more attacks??? Why should they help the msm keep blaming Muslims when it was clearly despicable NeoCons?

I donÂ’t care for the way

I donÂ’t care for the way 9/11 truth is given 1 day of 8-day event in D.C. It's going to get burried in all that.

Most of those other big issues, like the wars, Patriot act, WTC dust, etc. stem from the 9/11 perpetrators going unpunished. Expose the 9/11 criminal regime, & those other issues well be greatly alleviated too.

"Granted. But why should the

"Granted. But why should the Jersey Girls not want to make certain that the real perpetrators are punished & prevented from doing more attacks??? Why should they help the msm keep blaming Muslims when it was clearly despicable NeoCons?"

You really think they don't "want to make certain that the real perpetrators are punished & prevented from doing more attacks"?

Jon, I think that anyone who

Jon, I think that anyone who has been exposed to as much 9/11 info & has done as much research as the Jersey Girls must have tons of LIHOP & MIHOP suspicions! Why don't they just come out & say it? It's been 5 years now.

Do they think DRG, Steven

Do they think DRG, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, LC2E, the Scholars, the truth movement, etc., are not worth mentioning?

"Jon, I think that anyone

"Jon, I think that anyone who has been exposed to as much 9/11 info & has done as much research as the Jersey Girls must have tons of LIHOP & MIHOP suspicions! Why don't they just come out & say it? It's been 5 years now."

I have my suspicions.

1) They have children they don't want to be harmed.

2) They have children they don't want to be harmed.

3) They have children they don't want to be harmed.

Would you come out and say the Government was behind 9/11 if you thought everyone believed that everyone in the 9/11 Truth Movement was "crazy, wacky, nutty Conspiracy Theorists" as put forward by the media?

I would, but I have nothing to lose. So would a lot of other people. A family member, however, is a whole new ballgame.

The Zogby Poll, the recent conferences, etc... I think you're hopefully going to be hearing from the girls soon.

I hope I'm right.

I too have been having some

I too have been having some computer slowdowns/issues mainly on this site.

"Do they think DRG, Steven

"Do they think DRG, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, LC2E, the Scholars, the truth movement, etc., are not worth mentioning?"

You're asking me questions only they can answer. Why don't you ask them?

Well Jon, the more truth we

Well Jon, the more truth we spread, the easier it will be for them to speak out. I hope they will feel secure enough to do it soon.

If they have the support of

If they have the support of the people, and know it, they might.

There are conspiracy whackos

There are conspiracy whackos in every group. There's nothing special about being a father of a victim.

Even the fraud, Jon Gold, knows that.

thats a catch 22. so they

thats a catch 22. so they are going to wait until they are no longer needed to push things along? and as far as having children, does Griffin,Steven Jones, Alex Jones,Zwicker,Malloy,Fetzer,Barrett etc. have children?

S.King called you a fraud

S.King called you a fraud Jon. thats like a badge of honor coming from him. congrats man!

S. King you are so too late

S. King you are so too late to have any real meaning here....

Think the families are

Think the families are completely shell-shocked. They had expected a full investigation into what happened and met total resistance from Bush and they had to fight. All those years on, people like mouthy Coulter continue to play the official card, the event was about more than just the victims, it was an attack on the US and required a foreign policy response. That's the spin, the bereaved are faded into the background. Many assume they must have had all their questions answered.
Just an odd observation - if I remember rightly some of the family members complained about the offical approach to that first commerative service, I think they felt the Administration seemed to want to set an almost military tone to the event, as if the dead had fallen on a battlefield. Later I wondered if that was an expression of guilt on the part of the Administration, looking for a way to justify all those deaths to themselves. That question - How could they let that happen/do that ? Following Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al through those particular events, the language they used, maybe the clues are there, about how they try to square it with their sense of having a conscience. Those direct contact moments with the bereaved might tell us a little more about the right buttons to press. Did Bush ever display any shock/anger that the planes has got through, even to the Pentagon ? Was he furious that he was left sitting at the school doing something inane, whilst people were dying ?

OT: slow (very slow)

OT: slow (very slow) progress on Counterpunch, typically referred to as a "left-gatekeeping" site:

"Following 9/11, the Taleban government said it would extradite Osama bin Laden if the U.S. could produce evidence against him. This is the approach taken by the courts of every Western country when extradition is requested.

The U.S. either could not or would not produce any evidence, yet it insisted the Taleban was behaving in bad faith and harboring criminals.

To this day, the public has not been given one genuine piece of evidence that ties bin Laden to 9/11. I'm not saying he's innocent, only that there was no proof at the time Bush used him as an excuse to invade Afghanistan.

Bin Laden certainly did not like the United States, but was he in any way responsible for a great crime? How would his apparent happiness with events distinguish him from the group of Israeli spies in the New York area who were photographed, reported to police, and arrested (later being quietly deported) after dancing and shouting atop a truck as the World Trade Center billowed into flames? To this day, the FBI wanted-notice for bin Laden does not mention 9/11."

Can some one let me know-

Can some one let me know- What was seen in that "NEW EXPLOSIVE FOOTAGE" that Alex said they had received from Hoboken? Has anyone pulled any frames? I don't use 'activeX' so I don't have access to some sites, or blogs.

I can understand worrying

I can understand worrying about your children. On the other hand, if nobody speaks and brings the truth to this matter then our children won't inherit a world worth living in anyway.

http://www.viewzone.com/911re

http://www.viewzone.com/911revisited.html

I, a Military Occupational Skill 68G, and an Federal Aviation Administration Certified "Privileged" Pilot, as well as an FAA Certified "Privileged" Mechanic, will witness to the overall accuracy of this letter by Jim Heikkila; A testimony, pertaining to equipment (parameter limits both governed and ungoverned), discussing capabilities/limitations of flight control systems and structural performance.

Additionally, MOS33Q10 describes wire and/or transmitted data interplay, consistent with PIC (Pilot In Command) responsibilities of flight safety, as PIC is expressly required to KNOW that:

FAA certified pilots, expressly embodies the PIC with full responsibilities of all flight safety explicit ALSO, as a Licensed Radio Operator in accordance with FCC communication rules, critical concerns of electronic interference with flight critical systems, and other capabilities/limitations of electronic devices [Original Equipment or not] as part of total onboard equipment.

To include such knowledge necessary, concerning functionality and limitations of hand-held, non-amplified, standard private cellular phones, un-repeated through nonexistent equipment, not installed aboard commercial aircraft of the time. These purportedly "private" cellular calls MUST therefore be considered a hoax (not real).

Of utmost importance, so please publish and disseminate to all concerned:

I herby challenge all other pilots, those who have accepted the gift of wings and a duty to their trusting passengers, that remaining silent before the ears of humanity pertaining to a dangerous delusion, and thus allowed to permeate that same humanity, concerning the skies over the eastern region of North America on the 11th of September, 2001.

Because of this general silence, I can no longer accept these people as MY brethren, nor the FAA as a legitimate regulatory body who's utmost concern has been "human safety", or so declared. That because of this ongoing silence (licensing body intimidation?), I hereby deny the jurisdiction of the Federal Aviation Administration to "Privilege" my right to command and enjoy the apparatus of flight. Non-the-less, I retain my natural duty and responsibility to the safety of my person and passengers, including those otherwise bound to Earth.

I so challenge other pilots to consider the appropriateness of allowing an Administration to "License" them as well, while in conflict with this overriding duty to human safety.

I so retain the FAA issued paper "proof" of my pilot training, and formal recognition as competent airman, merely as historical artifact. The "authorizing" seal and signature displayed on these artifacts, is no longer considered by me as lawfully valid, nor am I bound by the terms outlined through such a charter.

The first implicit duty of Pilot In Command (that of safety), remains unchanged.

To be absolutely clear, I will hold in contempt, any man or woman who considers themselves' "Pilot" for taking to the controls of air worthy machines, yet does not vocalize a clear stand upon such an underlying principal, that of a pilot dependent upon truth.

I do not recognize the justice of liars "owning" the sky, for one can not retain their wings soaring upon an air of untruth. This will merely ground all of humankind, and THAT is not my destiny.

A pilot,

____________________

My writing needs help. If any one would like to edit towards clarifying the spirit of words appearing above, please do so and repost. Thank you.

The poll about Kevin Barrett

The poll about Kevin Barrett is still going strong. A lot more people have said Kevin should be fired. The percentage who say Kevin raises some good questions has gone down.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/9480690/detail.html

Erin, I think your spirit

Erin, I think your spirit comes through just fine. Thank you.

Well Kristen said on

Well Kristen said on Hardball "It's time for the truth on 9/11 to come out". I like that statement.

Not everyone can reach the point Bob Icivelene, Marsh O'Connor, and Bill Doyle have publicly. But I can tell you this Chris. There were several moms and dads who lost sons and daughters in the WTC at the LA 9/11 conference, and as Bill Doyle said...its not the easiest thing to come right out and voice such things.

WTC7...well, there still is no hardcore proof it was demolished. Not saying the official story is right...hell they dont even have an answer. Just saying we have so much evidence already. The ISI funding that came from the US government, training of the hijackers, the FBI obstruction, Cheney's noted standdowns, Mossad, etc.

and as i said, my criticism

and as i said, my criticism was specific to one person, Kristen, who already has put herself out there. im not criticizing the families as a whole as my previous statement shows.i said they have no obligation at all to do or say anything about 9/11.but Kristen B. put herself out there, and i feel like shes holding back so much ammo.personally, i think she has too much faith in the system working this out some day, and shes afraid of being discredited with the "conspiracy theorist" or "Bush hater" labels,so she never mentions any real specifics when she gets on national tv.let me be clear, i respect the hell out of the Jersey Girls, and i didnt mean for anyone to percieve that i was bashing them, my original statement was really about how glad i was to see a 9/11 family member talking about controlled demolition and NORAD,and how i wish he would be the one on national tv representing the "critical" 9/11 families.

pcoky, come on, are you

pcoky, come on, are you really saying controlled demo,specifically of WTC7 isnt worth mentioning on national television? by all means start with the ISI General/Atta,MOSSAD,FBI stoppage stuff, but WTC7 is too much of a smoking gun to ignore in my opinion.that shit was better than most controlled demolitions i see on my local news every now and then.unlike the 2 towers,they didnt bring it down from top to bottom,so they couldnt really cry "pancake" as easily.

I think that men should have

I think that men should have the right to give birth to babies.

bozo
people's judean front

*pocky

*pocky

I think that the 9/11 camp

I think that the 9/11 camp out in Washington sponsored by Siegel is the most important thing anyone could do right now and for everyone who wish they knew how they could help...this is it! It should be posted on every 9/11 website and others on a regular basis, whenever you can. If you keep it on message, create a gimmick for it and make it more PR friendly like we want to re-open 9/11 (it's a bit more palatable and non threatening) it could be a powerful tool to wake up the media and America. 9/11 signs should be the only real message... antiwar secondarily except perhaps to equate the war with 9/11.

1. I agree with you Chris,

1. I agree with you Chris, and I agree we can't expect the family members to espouse what we already know. And of course something aint right in Texas with WTC7. While I don't agree with the theories on the pentagon, the case for CD is strong.

2. Why is Rick Siegel making day one "crimes at the WTC"...shouldnt it be the ocean of crimes done leading up to, on the day of, and afterwards with the coverup? There is so much evidence of ddirect complicity, that to concentrate on the WTC takes away from the other stuff.

Sources say no serious plot

Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter

Larisa Alexandrovna / Raw Story | July 8 2006

One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training in an open forum already monitored extensively by the United States Government, RAW STORY has learned.

“The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,” said Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative magazine, in a late Friday afternoon conversation.

http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/080706chatter.htm

this isn't just for the

this isn't just for the election year, it's groundwork for the next false-flag attack.

"you saw all the other plots we stopped. we finally missed one. you can see how hard our job it. we have to have 100 percent accuracy. they just have to slip through once...."
Ian C | Homepage | 07.07.06 - 8:42 pm | #
this is exactly what i heard Alex Jones say recently, and this makes perfect sense to me. im afraid another attack is right around the corner.the uptick in all the fake terror threats/tapes recently point to them letting/making another attack happen soon. the fake threats/tapes are political cover for when the "next 9/11" hits.make sense?

also from Raw Story: The

also from Raw Story:

The rightwing fanatics-fascists are the true one percenters. The truth movement is huge and getting bigger. I found some money with 911truth.org written on it.
Anonymous | 07.08.06 - 12:11 pm | #

Of course there was no serious plot. Next time the U.S. gets attacked (could be any day now) it will obviously be from within our own government and they'll be using it as a pretext to go to Iran. People are really starting to wake up to 9/11 being and inside job, hopefully everyone will someday. nickspinner@gmail.com
Nick | 07.08.06 - 10:39 am | #

we are making too much of a difference now.im afraid there is going to be an attack soon.

That's why someone

That's why someone newsworthy needs to get out there soon. Anyone. Fast. Double time. Start making news.

The New York Times of July

The New York Times of July 7th published a letter to the editor from Lorie Van Auken (a Jersey girl) that said, "For the last four and a half years, I have searched for answers as to how my government could have failed so miserably to protect its citizens. The 9/11 commission didn't provide answers to those questions."

"There are conspiracy

"There are conspiracy whackos in every group. There's nothing special about being a father of a victim.

Even the fraud, Jon Gold, knows that."

Slander?

I think I'm going to

I think I'm going to consider slander suits against the individuals who do exactly that.

S. King... what's your real

S. King... what's your real name?

Doyle asks us to contact our

Doyle asks us to contact our Congressperson to recommend
HR 5441 bill be passed with the inclusion of Sec 5-25. Does anybody have a link to that proposed section?

jj111 I've been looking for

jj111 I've been looking for it, but I can't find it.

Here it is

does anybody know when that

does anybody know when that Vanity Fair Loose Change issue comes out on the east coast?

Does anybody know where the

Does anybody know where the Lorie Van Auken letter to the editor is?

btw - does anyone know what

btw - does anyone know what happened to the C-SPAN coverage of the L.A. 9/11 symposium?

Ahmadinejad: Islamic

btw - does anyone know what

btw - does anyone know what happened to the C-SPAN coverage of the L.A. 9/11 symposium?
anti | Homepage | 07.08.06 - 7:03 pm | #
good question. i dont think it aired at all, not even on C-Span 2 at 3 in the morning. go figure.

1000's Of Mexicans Take To

Yeah well after finding

Yeah well after finding ballot boxes at the dump, it was a good guess that that would happen. Makes you wonder though why some countries are suddenly so divided.

Did we? I seem to remember

Did we? I seem to remember ballots that were found in trucks, etc...

Yeah but the trucks were on

Yeah but the trucks were on the way to the dump...

I remember a picture of a

I remember a picture of a red truck that had a bunch of uncounted ballots in it. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

the text of this thread

the text of this thread keeps vanishing. anyone else having this problem?

No.

No.

I've seen S King and

I've seen S King and Terrence on other forums show their true colors by making it painfully obvious they support the wars, Bush and will say the most ugliest ann Coulter things about the families and those promoting the truth. Just a forewarning, they have nothing but virulent fervent hate to spew, and nothing constructive to add.

Now, here's ANOTHER great mainstream political cartoon comic strip touching on 9/11 Truth:
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tr/2006/tr060626.gif

And here is another:
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/911Commission.jpg

Speaking of Ann

That first one is

That first one is hysterical... so is the second one, but I've already seen it.

Jon, Lorie Van Auken's

Jon, Lorie Van Auken's letter is opposite the editorial page in the Letters to the Editor section, New York Times, July 7th.

Thanks avid, but I don't get

Thanks avid, but I don't get the NYTimes in this area... Could you transcribe the whole thing? That would be great...

Jon, here is the full letter

Jon, here is the full letter from Lorie Van Auken published in the New York Times, 7/7.

To the Editor:
Re "Naming Names at Ground Zero" (editorial, July 5):
My husband, Kenneth Van Auken, was murdered on 9/11. We searched endlessly for him after 9/11 to no avail.
For the last four and a half years, I have searched for answers as to how my government could have failed so miserably to protect its citizens. The 9/11 commission didn't provide answers to those questions.
Thus, when we ultimately visit the World Trade Center memorial, we don't want to have to search for anything anymore. We would appreciate being able, at the very least, to locate our loved one's name without further effort.
I received no remains from Ken's body. This is where he spent his last moments on earth. Who could possibly think that it's a good idea to make it difficult to find our loved one's names at this memorial?
Ken died with his co-workers. Nothing "random" about it.
Lorie Van Auken
East Brunswick, N.J.,July 6, 2006

Thanks avid!!! Lorie Van

Thanks avid!!!

Lorie Van Auken Writes A Letter To The Editor - NYTimes

If anyone can get a scan of this article, I'd appreciate it.

Attention!! The (NO-) PLANE

Attention!!

The (NO-) PLANE WAR continues.

http://vyzygoth.com/audio/nico.mp3

Did you hear what Andrew Grove said about AA11 ...

THERE WAS NO PLANE!!! He did not hear a plane!!!!

Why are there NO PHOTOS of the approaching Flight 11??

Because THERE WAS NO SUCH PLANE!!!

There's nothing special

There's nothing special about being a father of a victim. -S. King

Coulterism? I think so...

Neonazis and skinheads in

Neonazis and skinheads in the US army...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=115293600...

Wayne madsen's report on the subject (july 7-8)...

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

Does anyone know the legitimacy of this findings or is it propaganda produced by the Israelis? Not that I'm antisemitic which I'm not, I don't even believe in the zionist crap...but why would neonazis fight the war that benefits the israelis?

Oops (July 7-8...)

Oops

(July 7-8...)

9/11 Families for a Secure

9/11 Families for a Secure America are self deluded
if they think Essential Border Security Reforms and
Driver's License Reform are the issues.

The Bush crime family is the issue.

A quote from a June, 1992 exclusive and published
interview granted by President George H. W. Bush to
Sarah McClendon, the grand dame of the White House
press corps at the time explains many events
relevant to the self-inflicted wounds of 9/11:

“George Bush, what will the people do if they ever
find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?

‘Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we
have done, they will chase us down the streets and
lynch us.’ ”

1. This explains how the whole 1976 staffing was put
back in place (Rumsfeld, Secretary of State in 1976;
Bush Senior, CIA Director in 1976, Nelson Rockefeller
as Vice President and almost President after three
failed assassination attempts on appointed Ford;
Cheney was chief of staff for President Ford in 1976.
These three came back together under the son of Bush
Senior when George W. Bush was installed by the
Supreme Court. Then Bush Senior is really back in
control once Bush Senior's right hand man, Mueller,
was placed as head of the FBI weeks before the 9-11
self hit.

2. This explains why the plan was postponed: Bush
removed from CIA position by Carter, plan postponed.

Regroup....

3. This explains the 'delay' when Nelson Rockefeller
both fails to become president like he wanted in 1976.
Then he dies in 1979.

4. This explains how they thought they could seriously
rewrite the U.S. Constitution in 1976, to set up
totally appointed frameworks of the legislature. This
was connected to Rockefeller's as well. Perhaps the
terror hit that was planned was to be done in a few
years to do it.

5. This explains the Trilateral issues here: Nelson
got half his wish by basically dominating all
appointments of the Carter Administration with
Trilaterals, a clique of banker/internationalists
(which included George Bush by the way) all hand
picked by his brother David Rockefeller. Trilaterals
were started up by David Rockefeller with aid by Mr.
Grand Chessboard himself, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who in
late 1990s wrote of the "requirements" for a "new
pearl harbor" because U.S. democracy 'lacks the will
to be an empire without such events, history has
shown'. Carter is one of the first Trilaterals as
well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/TrilateralCommission.shtml

6. This explains why the WTC was chosen: found to be
unstable, and perhaps even the WTC was created simply
for the Rockefeller desire of destroying them. After
all, they were constructed under Nelson Rockefeller
himself (as Governor of New York), with help from his
brother on financing, David Rockefeller (founder of
the Trilateral). These would be the very people who
thought they would be in charge directly after Ford
Assassination attempts. However, all these failed.

http://100777.com/node/1074?PHPSESSID=bbaf5acd6670382d728b5299fb955d39

7. This explains the surrogate hit on Three Mile
Island to "jump start" FEMA as a back up plan, in
1979. FEMA is actually 'activated' three days early,
before it is even authorized, to be in place for the
fake hit on Three Mile Island. FEMA allows total media
seal off and vetting of all events through the federal
government. The state terror test successful.

8. This explains why Bush Senior is so anxious to get
into the Presidency in 1980.

9. This explains why he is willing to murder Reagan to
do it, when his Vice President, in 1981, mere
months into Reagan's first term. THE ATTEMPTED COUP
D'ETAT OF MARCH 30, 1981

http://www.tarpley.net/bush17.htm

10. This explains the later 1993 FBI sponsored
attempts, months into Bush proxy William Jefferson
Clinton (drug dealing connections) to destroy the
Towers through surrogate terrorists they actually told
what to hit and how to hit it. However, the Towers
failed to fall down.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/boys.html

11. This explains how directly after this failed
attempt to take down the towers, the Bush family buys
up the WTC security contracts. Soon, Marvin Bush is
head of Security (Securatec) for the WTC. (The reality
is a bit more complicated, though it shows the Bush
company (Kuwaiti-American) in charge of security at
the WTC after a failed attempt.

12. This explains how in early 2001, the whole 1976
team were put into power once more through Bush
family appointments: Baby Bush appoints his father's
1976 friends to power once more: Cheney (Bush Senior's
Secretary of State for the Gulf War I, Halliburton
connections, and Cheney was Ford's 1976 Chief of
Staff), Rumsfeld (appointed Secretary of State in
2001, was appointed Secretary of State in 1976 for
appointed Ford as well...), and appointing George W.
Bush (a proxy for his father coming back into power
from his "interrupted" 1976 CIA Directorship), and the
appointing of another GHW Bush right hand man,
Mueller, as FBI director. Then they were set to
unleash their hit on the United States. Which they did
and which they will continue to do as more hits are
waiting in the wings.

Anyhoo,
Today I received another 12 month 0% offer.
This time it was from American Express.
These fascists are determined to makes us into debt slaves.
But instead of enclosing their pre-approved form I sent this.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_22290.shtml

I wonder if sending 9/11 Truth to this agency
would be construed as oxymoronic behavior?

thoughtsandprayers@jewishagency.org.il

Not that I'm antisemitic

Not that I'm antisemitic which I'm not, I don't even believe in the zionist crap...but why would neonazis fight the war that benefits the israelis?
geggy | 07.08.06 - 10:43 pm | #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I had a hard time with this too, geggy. Finding out the Prescott Bush helped Hitler and was also involved with the NWO, and NWO is supposed to run by Zionist??? Hmmmmm... how could all that make sense?? Then I became enlightened ... seems like Zionist really don't care about Jews anymore than Hitler did. Israel is strictly a POWER TRIP, not a religious state. IMHO, Zionists try to run the world with their money, USA is the military arm for them, none of these guys care about the middle class ... or Humanity in general. They want to exterminate all Arabs, round the rest of us and put us in camps. Zionism is not Judaism. Neo-Nazism and Zionism can co-exist. In fact, they already do. Fight the NWO!!

u2r2h Is this a

www.patrick.af.mil DOD CLASS

www.patrick.af.mil

DOD CLASS 3CA-8

Looks like they are getting desperate.

http://www.911closeup.com/

LOL! The photo Nico DOESNT

LOL! The photo Nico DOESNT want you to see:
http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/original/12390.jpg

People who think parts were planted at the Pentagon and manhattan need to wake up.

Also, I've been secretly posting at some, well "extremist" forums. I am really shocked how many neo Nazis have taken an interest in 9/11 Truth "conspiracies", and all the documentaries we watch here. Of course, they LOVE the angle of the "Jews did 9/11". I've posted "You realize were comparing the neocons to Nazis in pulling off 9/11, so why are you even interested?" I've also brought up the fact that Hitler and his Nazis were part of occult secret societies, and NOT Christians. And that they had a secret wing of 20,000 Muslim Brotherhood Arabs. Stupid Nazis.

Let em go blow themselves up in immoral Bush led wars.

http://www.911studies.com/911

http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies1.htm

This guy has Lots of Photos from 9/11 that have bene photoshopped. Very interesting.

Instapundit links to Kevin

Instapundit links to Kevin Barrett article.....

http://instapundit.com/archives/031308.php

.

Listening to that td.

Listening to that td. They've slandered Kevin.

Go support Kevin. This

Did Bush ever display any

Did Bush ever display any shock/anger that the planes has got through, even to the Pentagon ? Was he furious that he was left sitting at the school doing something inane, whilst people were dying ?
Martine | 07.08.06 - 3:00 pm | #

Good point, Martine. These such obvious questions, and many more like them, were never answered. As far as I know, they were just swepted under the rug. (Shouldn't bush & his lackys have been impeached for gross incompetence on 9/11, let alone all the other reasons?)

Jon: Re: most responses at

Jon: Re: most responses at the Althouse blog.

What a bunch of self-important asses.

I had to leave a comment, directly under yours.

"ah, swept"

"ah, swept"

Why do posts double

Why do posts double sometimes?

" Jon: Re: most responses at

" Jon: Re: most responses at the Althouse blog.

What a bunch of self-important asses.

I had to leave a comment, directly under yours."

Did you listen to the audio? Name calling, name calling, name calling, name calling, name calling, students would be foolish to take his course, name calling, name calling, etc...

I wish to enter this comment

I wish to enter this comment twice, because I believe it is that important to all of us:

This week, I have been very upset to learn that almost no Americans find the current situation in Mexico's Presidential 'selection' to be of much importance in the least. Perhaps US VOTERS need to be presented with a ballot, come Monday AM: Do you, or DO YOU NOT want your country to become 'one' with Mexico? -Yes, or NO? This issue IS central to the process underway. Bush has lost 1/2 of South America's supposed TAFTA 'support'. He, by way of paramilitary war, has fully 'bought' the support of the Columbian Nation, whether we see it or not. Oddly, there is an excellent option for the Mexican people, who should see that this is not an issue of 'political ideaologies,' but rather one of Global, humanitarian concern. The 'solution' is simply to re-Vote! With the 3rd party (Ralph Nader) out of the way, it should become very simple to see who is the favorite.

"Full recount would yield 1M votes for Obrador, the anti-Bush/ NAU canidate." http://narconews.com/Issue42/article1967.html

Kevin is the right stuff. A

Kevin is the right stuff. A caring loving human being who has made peace with himself.

I would like to meet him and shake his hand.

pockybot, you can give those

pockybot, you can give those neo-Nazis the below documentation:

Hitler was closely allied with the German occultic Thule Society (Thule-Gesellschaft), which was instrumental in supporting Hitler's rise to power. The Thule Society was closely connected with the Brotherhood of Death, a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones at Yale. It is interesting to note that Hitler's Master Plan was the abolition of Christianity and the formation of a pagan New Age religion, as the recently released (and previously classified) Nuremberg documents prove:

"The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches," U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS) Research and Analysis Branch, July 6, 1945; posted at the Rutgers University School of Law, Camden, New Jersey website in Winter, late 2001:

http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nurins...

http://web.archive.org/web/20021218183621/http://camlaw.rutgers.edu/publ...

http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nazima...
http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nazima...
http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nazima...
http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nazima...

"The Nazi's Persecution of Religion as a War Crime: The OSS's Response Within the Nuremberg Trials Process," Claire Hulme and Dr. Michael Salter, Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion, Vol. 3, No. 1 (2001):

http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/church...

http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/JVol3.htm

http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/articles/RJLR_3_...

"Papers reveal Nazi aim: End Christianity," Edward Colimore, Philadelphia Inquirer, January 9, 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020111193215/http://inq.philly.com/content/...

"Hitler's war on Christ," Joel Miller, WorldNetDaily.com, January 12, 2002:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26030

"Analysis: Nazis vs. Christians," Uwe Siemon-Netto, United Press International (UPI), January 14, 2002:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:FzkcTKmNlDkJ:www.upi.com/view.cfm%3...

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=14012002-072224-5571r

"You Mean Hitler Wasn't A Priest?," Dave Shiflett, National Review, January 21, 2002:

http://www.nationalreview.com/shiflett/shiflett012102.shtml

I also recently found the

I also recently found the below press release that goes with the above Rutgers archive:

"Camden online legal journal to offer first public look at rare Nuremberg Trial documents," Mike Sepanic, Rutgers-Camden Public Information Office, January 2, 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020302130958/http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/v...

Interesting article from

Interesting article from TVNewsLies. http://www.viewzone.com/911revisited.html

@James Redford: And people

@James Redford: And people say the Illuminati is just a "conspiracy theory"...well maybe the name itself isnt the actual one, but it's clear Hitler was all about that stuff.

@maddog: Excellent article. In the Naudet 9/11 doc, one of the firemen said it was almost as if the towers had bullseyes on em, like they were right on target. Well, if you believe in Controlled Demolition, ya almost have to believe it was remote controlled.

Jon: "If anyone can get a

Jon: "If anyone can get a scan of this [Lorie Van Auken] article, I'd appreciate it."

Here's a screen capture of the online version at the New York Times website [ http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9472/911nytlorievanaukenletter8ac.jpg ]

It's available at this link [ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/opinion/l07wtc.html ] But you'll need to create a free NYT account [ http://www.nytimes.com/gst/regi.html ] to access the page.

I reposted this in bold text

I reposted this in bold text so it would stand out and make it easier for you to see it, Jon.

Jon: "If anyone can get a scan of this [Lorie Van Auken] article, I'd appreciate it."

Here's a screen capture of the online version at the New York Times website [ http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9472/911nytlorievanaukenletter8ac.jpg ]

It's available at this link [ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/opinion/l07wtc.html ] But you'll need to create a free NYT account [ http://www.nytimes.com/gst/regi.html ] to access the page.

Thanks a lot... I'm sorry

Thanks a lot... I'm sorry you scanned it... all I really wanted was the link... I thought it wasn't online. Thanks a lot.