You would be suprised how many people understand what is going on. WE need to FOCUS on REAL people, fuck the main stream talking heads. FUCK THEM! We are talking about REAL people with really normal lives.

Some people should enlighten this gentleman, who wrote a letter to the editor criticizing Kevin Barrett, on the substantial facts that throw the official lie into disrepair. His email address is at the bottom of the page.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=464989

I just got back from Myrtle Beach, SC. from a 4th of July, week long vacation. I did some Beach Blogging. I did a 10ft x 50 or 60ft long Blog on the beach for EVERYONE who woke up early. In the middle of 2 condos on the beach, one was 15 stories tall, I wrote '911=Inside Job'. There were lots of Tourist in town including a bunch of Canadians! I also gave out a few DVD's. Plus, I made my MARK!! Spread the word!
BEACH BLOG!!

Andrew Lowe-Watson --

That link made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I wonder how much actual information is available on that site (i.e. how they do what they do, what their basic theories are.) I just gave it a quick once over. But the next time I need a major psy-op done, I know where to go.

Here is some thing that I just don’t understand. After watching the MSM (Mainly Sean “the hater” Hanity) say time and time again that 9/11 truth seekers are “crazy” why doesn’t anyone ever site the fact that on the day of 9/11 there were a crazy amount of people saying that they heard or felt explosions before the towers collapsed.

All you have to do is watch 911 revisited to see that there is a major problem with the reporting on that day as it relates to the now “official story.”

http://www.911revisited.com/video.html

Why do people not site the reports of Dan Rather that day?

Why do people not site the reports of Peter Jennings that day?

Why do people not site the reports of the firefighters of that day?

Why arenÂ’t these people labeled crazy?

Why canÂ’t 9/11revisited be broadcast on T.V.?

Why canÂ’t all the major news networks dust off their tapes from 9/11 and take a look at them?

Why??? Then they might have to say to themselvesÂ….gee I said that? I said it looked like a controlled demolition, boy I sure was stupid on that day. IÂ’m so glad that the government set me straight on that one.

As you can tell I’m a little fed up with our main stream media these days. CNN will run a piece on the Miami “home grown” terror cells (that were funded by and infiltrated by our own FBI.) all damn day long and work the public up in a panic, then realize after the FBI admits that their intentions were more “aspirational than operational” that it might not be such a grand idea to give this piece the attention that it has and drop the story like a stack of hot cakes.

How the hell did Robert Muller have a pre recorded interview with Larry King the same time the story was supposedly unfolding? Did anyone see the end of the Anderson Cooper segment where a member of the Seas of David risked coming on camera, being arrested just to let the world know that it was a set up. Seems like odd behavior from someone that was ready to blow up the Sears tower. (We all know that building won’t come down until Larry Silverstein is ready to “Pull It.”)

Here is what I suggest for the main stream mediaÂ…Pull It! That is pull it (your head) out of your a$$ and take a look at what the hell happened that day and what has been happening ever since that day.

“When a big plane hits a building, the buildings going to come tumbling down, do you think George bush did it?” – Sean “stay the course” Hanity

No Sean, King Bush didnÂ’t do it, he was far too busy reading My Pet Goat to small children to be concerned about the suffering and deaths of our citizens on that day.

Why doesn’t anyone bring that one up on the MSM. Or how about the fact that Bush actually admitted to the fact that the saw the first tower being hit, how the hell was that possible? Then he has the audacity to say that he thought to himself “Gee what a bad pilot” Then he didn’t really think about it? GGGGGRRRRR ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Shouldn’t he think, my God this is horrible, there were people on the plane, there were people in the building, my God their families and their loved ones? Well I don’t have time for that I need to shoot a photo op. THIS MAN MAKES ME SICK! I don’t care about him being the president of the United States, I care about him being a decent human being. THAT IS WHAT HE THOUGHT? WHAT A BAD PILOT?

What a bad actor is what I think. You can see through the Bushes lies, you can see through the Donald RumsfeldÂ’s lies, you can see through the CondalisaÂ’s RiceÂ’s lies and you can most certainly see through the lies of Dick Cheney.(For some reason when I see that mans face I can see pure evil.) I can not wait for the day these Traitors are held accountable for their actions of that of that day, and trust me my friends if it doesnÂ’t happen in this life then they will surely suffer in their next in the fiery pits of HELL.

Sorry I had a few things I had to get off of my chest.

Peace be with you all,

Nick

P.S. The Door to Door Project idea is great, it will get people talking for sure!

God is not televised. The best feature you can use on your television is the off button.

I like to go up to people I see getting out of their cars with Bush bumper stickers and say, "Can't get that damn sticker off can you!"

I thought of a good T-shirt printed with large block letters:

BILL KUSH

I'm going to democracyfest and working the sandiegansfor911truth table there for a while this weekend should be fun to get in some real dems faces.

someone just emailed me a thank you for putting up this site for media downloads, so thought i'd offer it her for y'all too. there's some good stuff in it. http://uads.org/u/looyah

dz,

Here's an idea for a new advertising medium!!!

http://tinyurl.com/zcpt5

:-)

Hey all, does anyone know of a site or ftp of Bush Saying stupid shit or going against what he said before he was pres? I am doing an open forum here in Houston on aug. 2nd with Richard Andrew Grove and what to have clips of Bush making a fool of himself between commercials.

Thanks,

p.s. Is it ok/legal that I mention sites like this and st911.org and others?

nothwind,

Watch Seigel's very powerful 9/11 Eyewitness (the original version).

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=siegel

This video captures the sounds of explosions and white dust rising up from the streets below WTC1&2 prior to their collapsing.

This validates William Rodriguez and numberous other eyewitness accounts of exposions on the sub-level floors.

Has anyone responded to the Der Speigel debunking article?

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-2,00...

A great presentation.

http://zamphir.litek.ws/

Also, if anyone is anywhere near the Caifornia bay area, I'd love to pool efforts for street teams, guerrilla flyering, etc. God bless everyone on here.
pockybot | 07.13.06 - 4:33 am | #

anytime pockybot... lets do a freeway blog over the 80!!!!

or pass out dvds at cal...

i want someone to go with me to pass dvds out to cops and firemen....

i pussed out last night and didnt give a copy of loose change 2 to a cop... i feel like a pussy now...

next time..

just got my DVD copy of TerrorStorm from Alex Jones.

Every family should have at least one copy.

Ed

Common Sense and average IQ is there, but so is the brainwashing. Once people open their minds and begin the drawnout process of deprogamming themselves, it all becomes so obvious.

For instance, just watching the buildings being pulverized on the way down, ejecting debris hundreds of yards away should raise some eyebrows.

I'm not a scientist, and I'm probably not your smartest guy, but it is obvious to me that a traditional collapse without the aid of explosives would not produce the results we've all seen.

Setting everything else aside, once you believe that the perpetrators are capable, you only need to look at a single photo, or video clip to realize that the official account is flawed.

Anyone else agree?

"I sent it to Jon who didn't seem to bothered."

I asked you a question.

"Interesting. Are they contracted by the Government? I saw this, "Launch a powerful psyop campaign against an engaged enemy" and thought, define enemy."
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.13.06 - 9:48 am | #

Yes, Jon, and I answered it with another PM which you never read.

I like the way you give as good as you get but even you are not always perfect!
(and by the way I hope you saw that I stood up for you on that crap Conspiracy Smasher Blog).

I have trouble getting up the nerve to approach cops and firemen, although the couple times I have, I was surprised when they thanked me. Put a flyer or DVD on the windshield of fire trucks when they go into the grocery store to shop. I like to leave a Deception Dollar and a Remarkable Facts card. I imagine that they will fight over the DD, so I sometimes leave a couple.

Has anyone heard of this outfit?

http://www.scl.cc/article.php?id=10

It looks very nasty to me.

I sent it to Jon who didn't seem to bothered .
i think they could be the key players in 9/11.
Andrew Lowe-Watson | Homepage | 07.13.06 - 1:09 am | #
sure, thats where S.King and Mia Dolan work.

Here's my response to this article.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=464989
No one responded to Anonymous at 1:05 AM (top of thread), so I figured someone had to...

_______________----

Rick Esenberg,

After reading your jsonline article “UW, why stop with 9-11 conspiracists?”, I decided to respond.

If you look at this scientific poll, you will find out that 42% of Americans think that the US government is covering up the truth about 911.

http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

If 42% of Americans believe in an idea, no matter how crazy, canÂ’t you agree that it should be taught, at least as an alternative view, to students learning how to think critically?

I can’t be certain, but I think that a VERY small number of Americans believe in “intelligent design,” or that there is much genetic difference between the sexes.

And please donÂ’t call it a left wing/right wing dichotomy. I believe it is question or right or wrong.
There are MANY well known Republicans that believe that 911 was an inside job. Just look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_accoun...

If you really are interested in why Kevin Barrett, who apparently can “walk and chew gum at the same time” believes what he does, then simply look carefully at the what the scholars for 911 truth are saying... You will find MANY other academics and professors who believe what Kevin Barrett does.

http://www.st911.org/

I donÂ’t pretend to have all the answers, but clearly there is much about 911 that we do not know.
Is it possible that Islamic suicide bombers exist, AND that 911 was fostered (or engineered) by members of the Bush Administration?
Of course!

If some of the Al-Qaida hijackers are alive, doesnÂ’t that at least cause you doubt the veracity of the official story?
Maybe the planes were flown by remote control?

If Barrett is right you ask, why leave the obvious smoking gun of Building 7?
Perhaps the true perpetrators had PLANNED to bring it down at the same time that the North tower fell to make it look like the North tower brought it down.
Perhaps the pre-planted explosives did not go off as planned.
I have no idea if this is true, but is is plausible....

All I do know is that much of the official story does not stand up to scientific scrutiny.
The laws of physics cannot be suspended, by ANYONE.
If you look carefully, Steven JonesÂ’s paper really does rebut the 10,000 pages put out by NIST on the collapse of the twin towers.
For a LOT more detail (and much less than 10,000 pages), go here
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

ItÂ’s not up to you and me to have all the answers.
However it IS up to the government to supply the truth.
Clearly conspiracy theories about 911 exist PRECISELY because the governmentÂ’s has not answered all the questions about 911.
If major doubts exist why not agree on BarrettÂ’s main assertion that we need a new and truly independent investigation?

Let’s not forget that the official story about 911 is a “conspiracy theory.” As far as I can see, very little about it has been proven to be true!

Mind-Deprogramming Video Jukebox :

http://www.mind-deprogramming.com/mdvj/mdvj.swf

MediaPuppet, yes I agree. When I first started questioning 9/11 in 2003, I was still under the spell of the mind control -- I still didn't SEE the controlled demolition right in front of my eyes. Just goes to show how big a role GROUPTHINK has in what we believe and know.

Anonymous:

Inductive reasoning, bolstered by deductive reasons, tells me that "awareness" of the dangerous parity between "believers vs. non-believes" in the 9/11 debate.... should be taken to the sheriff. He is your elected law enforcer, and by nature of his/her commission should be vastly more interested in "keeping the peace" no mater the level of debate "civility", or otherwise.

Few other uniformed officials are so closely beholden to constitutional concerns. Your local "cop", is a higher/fire at will position, deeply confused by regulation, statute, traffic code and other issues. The sheriff is less compromised in their duty to simple public safety, and in many locals, capable of stripping away that gray line between public good vs. municipal profit.

Tell the sheriff. He may look at you with wide eyes and a strong air of "who the hell is this psycho?", yet if he or she is genuinely holding their office with a paramount concern for safety, constitutionally guaranteed liberty, and the primacy of The People over the Government, he/she should understand at least "why" you're bringing this this to their attention.

solar_roller, great letter!

WhistleblowersÂ’ Dirty Dozen: Interview with Sibel Edmonds

http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm

Here is what I posted on another site..

OK.. our government didn't do it... who did?

One fact, in my opinion that is indisputable is that all three WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Forget for a minute who caused this to happen. It does not change this fact.

There is now physical evidence, thanks to Steven Jones, that at least one of the WTC towers were brought down by CD based on the SCIENTIFIC analysis showing thermate residue on the steel beams.

There is visual evidence, of course, showing all three towers collapsing at freefall speed in their own footprint.

Again, prior to 9/11 NEVER has a steel-framed structure EVER collapsed, let alone in its own footprint. On one day, three of the best-engineered skyscrapers ever, two of which were engineered to survive the impact of a 707, fell. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Anyone, with any curiosity, any inkling of an open-mind, any rationality at all, with no political agenda, after viewing videos of each of the three collapses, then comparing them with other controlled demolitions, would at least wonder if the official story (limited fires brought down the buildings) is true.

Is there evidence that the NWO, the Bush Admin, the Easter Bunny or aliens did it? NOPE. But the evidence that CD was involved including circumstantial, physical, and visual is irrefutable in my opinion.

If 9/11 happened back during the Clinton, Carter, Kennedy or Roosevelt years, I would still be questioning what really happened and want to find out the true story. And the CD of the WTC towers are just a fraction of the controversy and unanswered questions surrounding 9/11.. just a fraction.

I am not into conspiracy theory. I believe we did land a men on the moon. I am 99% sure that Oswald was the lone shooter. Based on the evidence available the two above events did actually happen the way the official story states.

But 9/11 and the WTC towers, especially the collapse of the WTC 7 is a whole different story.

SHR
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7/13/2006 10:15 AM

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"You do know that the air at that hole would be rushing in to feed the fires behind and above the woman, right?

It would be the coolest place in that building...

How do you people get through life ignoring basic physics???"

I assume that you will agree that the big hole she is standing in is the one caused by whatever it was that made the big hole, right? The thing that made the big fireball thingy when it hit the building, right? and then it continued to move throught the building taking the fire with it? Right? So then there is the big hole with all that cool air coming in, right? Where the lady is standing, right?

How'd she get there?

Was she climbing up the outside of the building waiting for the fireball thingy to die down and then move into the building taking the fire with it so that cool air could make the hole a nice pitstop before continuing with her ascent?

Is that your genius physics at work?

Maybe she skydived into the really cool hole? Or clambered down from the observation deck?

What a moron.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5174

Maybe since the buidlinf footprint as well as each floor footprint is apoximatly 1 acre she made her way over from any of the area nearby that were not engulfed in fire, or maybe from a floor directly below, or maybe from any freakin place nearby that wasn't destroyed completly. If that's the best reasoning you've got, that it would be impossible for a human to get over to where the plane crashed into the building, you have nothing, it's far from even being remotely impossible. Just what are the thingy's that you seem to be alluding to physics professor?
I got one for ya

BRIDAS
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7/13/2006 10:17 AM

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If you still believe the official theory then read this.

So, what is BRIDAS?

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

bubba595kurt
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Again, let us not forget that three weeks after the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 there was molten steel burning in the basements of both towers. There is visual evidence of this.

If the WTC 1, 2 and 7 towers were demolished legally, the company responsible for the demolitions would have received a bonus for a job well done.

In regards to approaching police officers/firemen, etc...

Where do you think I'm going to do my next "9/11 Truth Door To Door"?

;)

I'm going to the police dept. in my area, as well as the local firehouse.

And, I might add, I agree that it may be a matter of time before we see a new "false flag" event distract Americans back to following Big Bush and his cabal.
truthsearching2006 | 07.13.06 - 7:40 am | #

Yeah, we'll probably get another false-flag event again -- but, I'm not so sure Americans will flock to Bush's side again, even if they aren't truthers. A lot of people don't trust Bush, which is why his poll numbers are so low. A few might rally to his side, but hopefully not the massive numbers right after September 11.

And, remember the Spain bombings and how the public there voted the bastards out? We can do it too! (Well, that is, if there's such a groundswell of opposition that even the poll rigging won't be enough.)

Bush Snr attends Lay Funeral

MIKE TOLSON / Houston Chronicle | July 13 2006

In a memorial service that bounced back and forth from loving salute to spirited defense, former Enron Chairman Ken Lay was remembered Wednesday as a kind and generous man who was unfairly characterized after the company's collapse.

Lay, who died at 64 last week of a heart attack in Colorado, was praised for his deep devotion to his family and respect for all people, whether executives or janitorial staff.

"I am glad to have known Ken Lay and glad that he was willing to reach down and touch people like me," said the Rev. William Lawson, pastor emeritus of Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church. "Ken was a rich and powerful man, and he could have limited his association to people who were likewise rich and powerful."

Lawson said Lay helped untold numbers of people with college tuition, medical expenses and other needs.

More than 1,000 mourners gathered at First United Methodist Church, where Lay had been a member. They included friends, former Enron employees and erstwhile dignitaries, including former President George H.W. Bush, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and ex-Houston Mayor Bob Lanier, who collapsed just before the service began and was taken by ambulance to St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/130706Lay.htm

god, these criminals dont even try to hide it anymore.

"A few might rally to his side, but hopefully not the massive numbers right after September 11."

People showed up in record numbers to oust Bush last time. That didn't do us any good.

Even I showed up to vote, and I had never voted before in my life.

You guys remember this?

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."

-Thomas Jefferson

go Jon go

Here is one thing I that haven't yet heard a good answer to. If our government needed a "false-flag" operation to start a war then why did they create such a large "over-the-top" attack? Wouldn't something smaller have been just as effective?
Mark | 07.13.06 - 3:15 am | #

Answer:
1. Hitler said with true knowledge that the Big Lie is more easily believed than the small lie. The bigger the lie, the more easily believed. The bigger and grander 911 was, the less that the average person can believe that someone in the US did it.
2. Zelikow is an expert in the creation of public myths. This one was a nice Hollywood like production, about 2 hours lonng just like a movie for maximal attention span.
3. Because it was so big, it is hard for people to understand it. So lots of people think, why even bother TRYING to understand it?
4. The event was to create maximal psychological trauma to US citizens. The more traumatized you are by an event, the less likely you want to review it, look at old clips, relive it, etc. The less you want to examine it.

Propaganda effectiveness in terms of outlining the "story": A+

Hitler's propaganda minister, if he were living today, would have approved wholeheartedly of the scope of the operation.

IMHO.

IMHO, I think the Deception Dollars are slighly weak, but still useful. I write "9/11 Was an Inside Job" on the front so there's no doubt where I stand. (Some people do this on real dollar bills.) I may be littering, but scattering some around town seems to draw attention.

The "11 Remarkable Facts About 9/11 Card" is something a bit more serious & a real ice-breaker! People can take them home & ponder some amazing questions for a while: http://www.peaceproject.com/dollars/CR3.htm

Inside - I'm in bay area - what's your email address?

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

1) 2000 Election Theft
2) 9/11/2001
3) The Flying Bin Ladens
4) Enron
5) Military grade anthrax
6) Worldcom
7) The "Patriot Act"
8) Death of Senator Paul Wellstone
8) 2002 Midterm Election Theft
9) Terry Schiavo
6) The 9/11 Commission Report
7) Niger Uranium Forgeries
8) Weapons of Mass Destruction
9) The War on Joe Wilson
10) The War on Joe Wilson's Wife
11) The War on Afghanistan
12) The War on Iraq
13) Nicholas Berg
14) Jessica Lynch
15) Pat Tillman
16) Abu Ghraib
17) The Swiftboating of U.S. Heroes
18) False terror warnings
19) 2004 Election Theft
20) Jeff Gannon
21) John R. Bolton
22) Jack Abramhoff
23) Tom Delay
24) Dick Cunningham
25) Attack on Social Security
26) Hurricane Katrina
27) Brownie does a "heckuva job"
28) I. Scooter Libby
29) Shotgun Dick Cheney
30) The ironic "death" of Ken Lay
31) Israel declares WAR

Had enough yet?

Don't know why those stupid smiley faces appeared, but you get my point...

I've heard of people writing on the postage-paid evevelopes that come with political-donation requests, "9/11 was an inside job." They also put a Deception Dollor inside said envelope as their contribution!

Have you noticed Doonesbury lately?
Humorous take on how to set up a patsy.

I like the 11 remarkable facts about 9/11 card, but I do not like the expense of them. Even in high bulk they are 9 cents each which is not that much less than a blank DVD. Does anybody know of a free downloadable one page 8 1/2 x 11 inch flyer that has the 11 remarkable facts about 9/11 on it? If someone has the knowhow to make one, that would be a great one page flyer. One page free downloadable flyers are very cheap to print. I would love to know if a great one exists, and if not, if anybody has the expertise to make one based on the 11 remarkable facts of 9/11.

Seems to me Fox was playing at controversy with Barrett - trying to discredit movement. Find more teachers who will teach 9/11 issues and get more msm interest perhaps

It's not World War 3

It's World War 4Ever

Are there better ones out there? If so, please tell.
180killer911 | 07.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/9-11%20fairy%20tale.pdf

WAKE THE F%*&K UP AMERICA!!!

Well said...If it wasn't so sad I'd be laughing.

"The conspiratorial world view" essay contains light and insight. Thank you, Jon, for bringing this to our attention.

180, those are all good, except for In Plane Site, IMO. For the demo argument, also show them:
Steven Jones lecture (What's The Truth? pulls the juicy parts):
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/dr-steven-jones-utah-seminar-video.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586
9/11 Revisited:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=9%2F11
9/11 Eyewitness:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&pl=true
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=0&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=1...

Point well taken Maddog......however,
define WW III. I don't think a U.S. city will be nuked, but as you know,
This is ALL about 911 (can you say PNAC)?...and NO, I am not living in fear, that's why I'm here. When the Shit is hitting the fan in the middle east (like today), I don't think we need to talk about "that Hole in the Pentagon" today...
if you get my drift.

Nobody really likes to get into it on this site, but lest we forget there are very real questions regarding Israels involvment in the events of 9/11.

No I am NOT anti-semitic. I am pro-TRUTH.

The heat of 9/11 Truth coupled with the looming AIPAC trials of 8/7/06 WOULD be enough to induce a nation with something to hide to come up with a distraction.

On the scale we are talking about, the destraction would have to be MAJOR. Worldwide in its implication.

You do the math.

Am looking to garner opinion as what the best 9/11 video is. I've seen LC2E; EGLS, What's the truth: Why the Towers Really Fell and "In Plane Site". Are there better ones out there? If so, please tell.
180killer911 | 07.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #

My favorite is 911 Revisited. First show them clips and explanation on Building 7 collapse. I put it all on a computer CD playable on Windows Media or Real Player.

look guys, the debate is moot, Israel has IN FACT declared WAR.

look for the stock market to drop today and plummet tomorrow! Oil will of course go through the roof!. I predict $80+/barrel by next week.

i am not an alarmist, but the shit is actually hitting the fan. govern yourselves accordingly.

Well said Chris....Both of your last posts.

dabbish and jj111, for flyers,try www.unsungwar.com/flyers.(I can't get them to download for me,maybe you'll have better luck)

pockybot: email me at mahko@majestysmonkey.com

maddog et,

you still think in the way how the cold war worked.
But this isn't the 80s or 60s anymore.

This isn't about nuclear war.

It is about population control of any kind, whether it will be via weaponised bird flu (Ft. Detrick etc..) or any other kind of weaponised diseases but also weather modification weapons, space weapons of any kind and virtual warfare to drive us 'insane'.

The only difference is that it will be blamed on "Al-Quaeda", not Russia, China or U.S., who are all in the same cohut and used as puppets for the privatized military- and intelligence industry, which want to get rid of nations anyway.

The so called 'war on terror' is just an opener. This meme was already replaced a long time ago with the so called 'long war'. Many documents prove, that it will take at least until 2030. PNAC only scratched half of it. They're themselves already the puppets and constructed as hangout and bogeymen.

"Roadmap 2005- 2030"
http://www.acq.osd.mil/usd/Roadmap%20Final2.pdf

That's why the 9/11 truthling movement won't suceed because it doesn't address the virtual and digital manipulations of our society but still sucks up to it.

This isn't about 9/11 anymore, it is our last fight about human society, before it will be finally replaced by eugenic MIT neurobotics.

Also overhyped paranoia like from Alex Jones works into the same goal:
Apathy and Discourage. No wonder, why the cointel-pro front of 911truth.org had a wedding with Jones.

But then again, the rest of this orwellian movement doesn't want to hear about this either and ignore, attack or 'kill the messengers'instead...

nico aka ewing2001

From psyOP and population control to "WW4"
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1515

SAIC- power structure 9/11 and more
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1664

Internet Portal Community Watch
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3223

"you still think in the way how the cold war worked."

Nico, it would be interesting to hear you perspective of where CONPLAN 8022 and STRATCOM fit into this picture.

You say the US does not want nuclear war? I think we need to revise your claim to "the US just does not want nuclear war on itself".

It is well documented that the military is blurring the line between conventional and nuclear weapons and some are just itching to use them. Here's a great article with many external links to government documents
(i.e. Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060222...

I've said this many times, but here I go again: 9/11, 7/7, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc. won't matter to the majority of Americans (and the rest of the world), like how they do to us, until some actual consequences are felt from them. Right now, the vast majority of Americans are employed and the country is in the midst of a large economic expansion. The stock market is high and home "ownership" (yeah right!) is at all-time highs. Although freedoms are dwindling, the frog is being boiled slowly enough that the majority of people just don't notice what's happening. In the rest of the world the perception is worse because the economic expansion is even greater for them and very few of those countries were/are directly involved in any of the above fiascos.

These perceptions will only change when one of the following four things happen:

1. A draft is enacted after an escalation of combat operations in the Middle East. The Vietnam era protests would be made to look like a bunch of disorganized picnics if this were to ever happen. Such a measure would tear the country apart in ways that would harken back to the Civil War era, IMHO.

2. The US economy goes into a tailspin, eventually falling into a depression. The stock market falls by at least 50% over a 2-5 year period. Unemployment doubles. Most of the population defaults on their (record) debt obligations, even though interest rates stay low- that's how bad the situation gets. A lot of pissed off, unemployed people- especially layed off architects and structural engineeers- will have a lot of time on their hands and need to vent...

3. Smoking gun-type evidence surfaces about US government involvement in 9/11. This would come in the form of actual papers, or at least one highly credible person with firsthand knowledge of of what really occurred on that day- or both. I don't think I need to tell anyone that this is, by far, the least likely scenario of four. Professor Jones is WAY too optimistic, IMHO.

4. A military lockdown of the entire US is enacted after another large scale false flag attack is successfully completed. Posse Comitatus and the 3rd Amendment would immediately be suspended- perhaps permanently- and first responders would be subject to the scrutiny and control of the iron fist of the military. You think that "the truth" would be ascertained by "The People" during a time like that? Think again. This is obviously the worst case scenario. But it is also fairly likely. I give it at least a 1/5 chance of happening before the end of 2010.

I apologize for being so negative, but this is precisely what we're up against. I still think that scenario #2 is the most likely of the four, but the last one is most frightening. In fact, #4 may very well follow #2 in order to allow the government to keep control of its angry citizens. I viewed the Katrina response as a ramping up and dress rehearsal of a future military lockdown. Homeland Security deliberately hindered the efforts of FEMA and other first responders; mercenary groups such as Blackwater were hired to "keep order" on the streets of New Orleans; and there was a great deal of talk of the suspension of Posse Comitatus during future "national emergencies". If there were to ever be another false flag attack successfully executed on American soil again, then you can expect much worse from the government than what happened during Katrina, or even 9/11, for that matter.

The bottom line for all 9/11 Truthers is to stay eternally vigilant. The closer we get to the truth, the closer we are- potentially- to disaster. The perpetrators will stop at absolutely nothing in their quest for dominion and power. At the same time, however, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The conspirators pushed; we're pushing back. But, I can assure you of this: they will push again. I urge you all to keep this in mind at all times as we go forward.
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Am looking to garner opinion as what the best 9/11 video is. I've seen LC2E; EGLS, What's the truth: Why the Towers Really Fell and "In Plane Site". Are there better ones out there? If so, please tell.
180killer911 | 07.13.06 - 2:16 pm | #

I have posted more than once on 911 Eyewitness Hoboken which seems to me compulsory viewing to all 911 Truth activists as it provides the most conclusive evidence yet of bombs in the WTC. The sight of the pyroclastic flow billowing over the Hudson river is truly awesome.

It suprises me very much that several leading Truthers such as Jon Gold and John Albanese, whose commitment to the movement is plain for all to see, have chosen either to ignore or call into question the validity of Rick Siegel's footage.
This is crazy. We are looking at something which could be used in a court of law. I believe Rick is somewhat pissed with the initial response to his movie. Well. I would be too.

I would like to recommend Mike Berger's Improbable Collapse as he has used (with my blessing) some music of mine for part of the footage, I believe. I am much looking forward to seeing it.

I found September 11th revisted compelling and informative.

It suprises me very much that several leading Truthers such as Jon Gold and John Albanese, whose commitment to the movement is plain for all to see, have chosen either to ignore or call into question the validity of Rick Siegel's footage.

These two dudes severly underplay all physcial evindence of 9/11 truth for reasons not understood by me either.

I think they believe that the public are put off by the 'wilder' claims such as CD. They are wrong, with respect. Once people get past the initial shock of discovery, the realisation that the towers were blown up is very 'catylizing'. I always had difficulty believing my eyes when I saw the South Tower fall live on TV in such a spectacular and EXPLOSIVE way. I had no difficulty accepting the theory of CD as it made total sense to me.

It suprises me very much that several leading Truthers such as Jon Gold and John Albanese, whose commitment to the movement is plain for all to see, have chosen either to ignore or call into question the validity of Rick Siegel's footage.

These two dudes severly underplay all physcial evindence of 9/11 truth for reasons not understood by me either.
Anonymous | 07.13.06 - 7:41 pm | #
yeah, i dont understand why they wont approach CD. ignoring the Pentagon is one thing, but ignoring CD just doesnt make any sense at all.EGLS would have been SO much better if it would have went further.

It might have seemed better to "us", but NOT to the uninitiated. That's why I like showing and recomending EGLS..... it goes down easy, yet leaves one with a wicked hang-over. imho.

Another so called progressive paper needs to be shown the evidence, they have a larger article today but its not available on the net yet.Heres the link.

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/node/1836

Inside, what's your email? Mine is pockybot@gmail.com Let's get the guerrilla street team going!

Martial Law 9/11 to me is THE BEST comprehensive 9/11 documentary, period. It shoulda come to theatres.

Mahko, Inside, jj111, Greg...I say we do some bay area street team and 9/11 truth activism!

Mark Johnston,

That was a great video. Really opened my eyes to the bigger picture.

http://zamphir.litek.ws/

I'll tell you what ignoring CD does - it actually undermined the whole MIHOP case and turns it into LIHOP. Plain and simple. The hijacks happened. The towers fell because of office fires and no fireproofing blah blah blah Joes and Griffin are wrong. That to my mind is as bullshit as NIco and his holograms.

i agree with Andrew, i think it was irresponsible of EGLS to completely ignore CD like it did.huge tactical error in my opinion.

Mahko, Inside, jj111, Greg...I say we do some bay area street team and 9/11 truth activism!
pockybot | 07.13.06 - 10:11 pm | #

im down bud, im going to email you in a few... ill move this to the top thread too...

http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/9497/1/330

This Flight 93 reviewer suggests: Somewhere, Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay are probably discussing another September 11th film right now. As for a conspiratorial view of “Flight 93,” I suggest checking out the film “Loose Change.”

Jerry Bruckheimer is a conservative douchebag. i heard him talking about Bush and Iraq. egh. it was painful.