Just as a general train of thought, a lot of people are gearing up for the anniversary date in September.

If I had a magic wand and a huge bank account tolend to the matter, I'd think about expediting...

I don't think we can afford 7 weeks.

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=59&z=2

Michael Wolsey Interviews Chris Emergy - Audio Inside

Four 9/11 films I CANNOT WAIT for soon:

Loose Change Final Cut
9/11 Press For Truth
Blowing The Whistle
9/11 History Hijacked by Sander Hicks

That was wishful thinking.

Ya... I can't wait to see that.

On the war front, fat Newt says we are in WWIII.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/ging...

Meanwhile, Hugo is not pulling punches. Chavez: US causing ME 'Holocaust'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886003716&pagename=JPost%...

BREAKING NEWS: Myspace.com hijack is currently spreading like wildfire

Somebody has managed to hack Myspace with a flash redirect that exploits what is apparently a gaping wide hole in their code. If you are signed into Myspace, and you go to a compromised page, you will be redirected to a blog post containing a diatribe about how the U.S. government is behind 9/11 & your page will now be hijacked! Solution at link.

http://digg.com/security/Myspace.com_hijack_is_currently_spreading_like_...

Anyone ever read biography of W. Bush written by James howard Hatfield called, "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and The Making of an American President"?? Wondering how much of this biography is valid and factual. By the way Hatfield died of drug overdose on July 18, 2001.

O'Reilly is completely out of control on the middle east issue right now. If you want your head to explode, tune in while you can.

geggy: I have that book. I wondered the same thing.

That is a great trailer. I am interviewing Richard August second on 90.1 pacifica in Houston. We will hopefully discuss how he got to where he is (for the newbs) and what he has in store. It's the 12-1 open journal, so if you get it tune in and call with questions.

I tried to ask about this at Gold's board, but he revealed he is a mac dork. I need a DVD burning 101 course so I can burn EGLS, What's The Truth, etc. I have a pretty good Compaq laptop, nothing fancy. My questions are this:

(1) Can I just burn from the google versions or 911blogger podcasts?

(2) What, if any, software do I need to buy or download to do this?

(3) Once I have burned a DVD, what is the best way to copy them in mass? I don't have two DVD drives in my laptop. I think I read on here that you can get a pretty good DVD burning machine for not a lot of money. I have a little extra cash to do this. What should I buy and/or how should I do this?

Too Funny

See... that's how I let off steam. I have a lot of steam.

I am sorry to yet again be a spoiler on this issue- but before anyone gets too excited about this film, can someone tell me anything of substance related to 9/11 that Mr. Grove has blown the whistle on?

There are parties who have contributed meaningfully- and in some cases critical - to heightening the awareness and deepening the understanding of the 9/11 event. People like Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin have done this - at great risk to themselves, and seemingly with little interest in seeking the glory. (Dr. Jones' latest conversation with Tarpley is itself the very model of modesty- and he is actually involved in the most ground-breaking 9/11 research of its kind!).

Mr. Grove seems to be their polar opposite. He does not appear to have revealed anything particularly unique or useful about the events of the day (and in fact seems to muddle much of what we know to be true and relevant)- yet his arrival on the 9/11 Truth scene has been trumpeted (by Meria, others and even himself) as singularly newsworthy. That a film about him and narrated by him is now slated for release within weeks- despite how depressingly little he has contibuted to our understanding of 9/11 - only further illustrates the point.

If I have misjudged him, or if I am unfairly marginalizing him- can an enlightened someone please correct me in reply? Start by explaining something irrefutably true and important he has revealed that wasn't already known- and elaborate by showing how this information has heightened our understanding of the overall 9/11 conspiracy. (Bonus points will be awarded if you can further explain why we should not hold his demonstrably spurious bits of 9/11 fancy against him...)

I'm being serious.

Why does Richard Andrew Grove promote/recommend the very spooky, Muslim-blaming government propaganda video WKJO?

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IMHO, the best single measure of a 911 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame Muslim hijackers for 9/11. Further, if the
presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as govt propaganda.
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is there a film that discusses israel, israeli prior knowledge of 9-11 and israeli advanced warnings of the london bombings?

Bonus points will be awarded if you can further explain why we should not hold his demonstrably spurious bits of 9/11 fancy against him...)
Disinfo Agent

I have similar questions, disinfo agent....... can you outline what you believe are Grove's 'demonstrably spurious bits of 911 fancy". ?

You really are just another muther-fucking, 9/11 conspiracy breathing Bigfoot John Gold!

In the meantime, could 911Blogger give some serious policy consideration re Andrew Grove.

I have posted on him before, especially about the lack of any coherent straightforward 9/11 material from him. It's all very well to provide dark hints about sinister govt-business connections, but the material has to be (a)verifiable, in some sense, and (b)coherently presented.

If anyone has any personal contact with Andrew Grove they could do the 9/11 movement a big favour by asking him nicely to get behind 9/11 awareness issues rather than his own. Alternatively, he should run his material by an experienced journalist and a lawyer and see if his material can't be made more convincing and better presented.

I don't think people should be blindly supporting anything just because it has the phrase '9/11' attached to it.

Does this guy Grove seam somewhat unbelievable? He came up out of nowhere, and now he's got his own movie?

Disinfo, having spoken to andrew personally and knowing what he is about, I'd say your pretty much wrong in what you say.

Here's the thing: 9/11 goes so deep I can't even fathom who all was/is involved. In other words, think of all the companies, individuals, corporations etc. who profited from 9/11. With this knowledge, realize that R.A.G. is just trying to piece this stuff together.

Go to www.8thestate.com (his site). Look at all the info that is there (audio/video/text) and see how much shit he has to go through to make this stuff make any bit of sense.

What does he talk about that is pertanent to the topic? How about what he was fired for: Finding out that his company was overbilling a client by $2,000,000 and when he told them, tried to bribe him, and when he refused fired him.

If you watch wkjo, it ties together most if not all of the companies who benefited/had something to do with 9/11. As well, Richard was the first (that i'm aware of) to even mention these companies; Kroll, Marsh and McClennan, Kroll, Securacom, etc.

Therefore, one thing Richard is trying to do is to get people to do research. Take what he has said and find out for yourself. He is not spoon feeding this stuff to us, he is simply saying what he knows so we can take it from there. He is not the end all 9/11 whistleblower. From watching the trailer to his movie, it looks like it will be a great postmark from what he has already done.

disinfo agent

I'm with you. I thought his initial "monologue" was pretty heavy on noise, without a lot of signal. He also put a strange amount of emphasis on his form, or his "process" -- the means by which he was trying to "get his message out." Which I just thought was weird -- the form detracted from the content, or rather the emphasis on form did.

The thing that makes me open to reading or viewing more material that he produces is centered on the little tidbit that he slipped in -- about being at the base of the towers and see a lot of "stuff" going on. I'd like to know what -- I doubt he's going to say.

In that area, I found something rather interesting in the NY York Times' oral history archive of interviews with the first responders. (There's an unimaginable ton of material there -- although so far I haven't run into any "bomb in the building -- clear out" statements.) What I did find was in the interview with the Battalion Commander Pfeifer, who was in the Naudet Brothers' film. He said:

"But right before the south tower collapsed I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn't have. Some of them were moved across the street to the command post."

Sort of along the lines of Guiliani saying "they told us the tower was going to collapse..."

ChrisB,

"If you watch WKJO", you are watching spooky, DISINFORMATIVE, MUSLIM-BLAMING, U.S. GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA, which is continually promoted by Richard something Grove.

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IMHO, the best single measure of a 911 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame "Muslim hijackers" for 9/11. Further, if the
presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as govt propaganda.
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Myspace hack exploit leads people to 9/11 Truth blog? Well...it's an unusual method, but given the media just aint doing it's job, I have to say thumbs up:) Hopefully this will inspire a massive wave of "creative" ways of getting the truth out.

Al C. -

I'd be happy to give you some help and answer some of your questions, and get you going in the right direction. However, in respect to helping, this kind of thing is effectively done in a quick and short real-time conversation, not in time consuming back-and-forth posts on a message board. Communicating in real time would be the best way for you to get all your answers, since the person helping you would also have a chance to have more info about your exact situation and software, hardware, connection, etc, and other topics.

Either way, I'd be happy to answer questions, point you to sites or software, and help you out. Do you have AIM/MSN instant messaging programs, or anything similar? Yahoo, IRC, ICQ, the list goes on. Even some P2P programs like Soulseek are perfect for it as well. Post back and leave me some kind of contact information (ie: a username) for any type of software like that, or an email address if that's all you have right now, and I'll get in contact with you.

Radical Pragmatist

I can't remember who it was who posted before the rebuttal to Grove recently, but one point among many was that Grove seems to suggest that one of the many motivations for 9/11 was to steal gold from WTC vaults.

In suggesting this, Grove greatly exaggerates the amount of gold in storage. While Grove claims "As we all continue to learn more about this topic, we start to comprehend the grandiosity of the thefts and fraudulent transactions that took place under the umbrella of 9-11- specifically hundreds of billions of dollars worth of gold bricks which were surreptitiously liberated from their safety deposit vaults under the World Trade Center."

So- the summary from Grove's free ebook (linked above) suggestion "a trillion in gold", and his own monologue suggests "hundreds of billions". Yet the public record suggests that less than a billion was stored in WTC vaults- and even though this is only 1 percent of Grove's claimed amount - it took an entire week to remove it by the recovery crews during cleanup.

Grove asks us to believe that the organizers of the 9/11 attacks managed to spirit 100x the amount of available gold out of the WTC complex- and presumably did so in less than one hour (since the buildings collapsed, presumably by controlled demolitions directed by the perpetrators upon completion of their heist). This is such a defiance of both basic science and of common sense that it may as well have come from the 9/11 Commission Report.

This is one example of a spurious claim from Grove. He may be a sincere guy- and on this point he may be simply parroting an incorrect fact from Loose Change 2 (which he endorses enthusiastically). I am not asserting as others have that Grove is a disinformation source. Given his self-described role as "Whistleblower", however, I would expect him to be revealing previously hidden, critical evidence, based on insider knowledge of a criminal act- not regurgitated bogus claims that are ludicrous and ultimately distracting.

ChrisB

If I have misjudged Mr. Grove, I apologize. I do believe he invites at least some amount of incredulity- not only because of certain handily dismissible claims (as noted above)- but also because of his personal style, which might be generously described as preening and self-congratulatory. He may not be smug- but he comes across that way- and really undermines his credibility and trustworthiness (at least for me).

Many of us are desperately longing for a true whistleblower, someone who can, by virtue of his direct insider knowledge, expose the real crimes and criminals of 9/11. In Richard Andrew Grove, it seems we have less of a whistleblower and more of a horntooter. The trailer for his film to me drives this point home to a degree that would be funny were it not for the unbearably high stakes, and were it not for the fact that innocent blood is crying out from our own soil and the sands of Iraq, begging God for justice to be done.

re: gold in the basement, and a little loose with the facts in loose change, see

http://www.911myths.com/loose_change_2nd_ed._a_critical_review_of_the_go...