Sbg, great man thanks!!!

I've never trusted the whole Cindy Sheehan thing. The best way to control the opposition is to lead it yourself.

How f'ed up are things when Saddam sounds like one of the most reasonable guys out there?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060721/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_letter

What to we have to do to get our numbers up?
somebigguy | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 12:02 pm | #

^ We've got to wake the Anti-War Movement up dude. It can be done, we've just got to show them 9/11Truth is genuine, and something that's actually what the Anti-War Movement should be.

A little birdie told me that Sibel Edmonds was coming up on Alex Jones...

http://www.infowars.com/

Can't vouch, but I'm gonna listen.

Wow, she's on!

does anyone have contact information for Sheehan and the Camp Casey team? i think we should send them some suggestions.

Yeah, but they obviously don't want to be woken up. 44 % or so of people think we need a new investigation, where are all those people?
somebigguy | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 12:15 pm | #

I think you've got to look at in terms of media exposure for that 44%. Anti-War opinions have been expressed in the mainstream for so long that people understand it's ok to go jump in a march against the war, or go to a big protest etc. 9/11-Truth on the other hand hasnÂ’t quite established itself yet in quite the same way. As soon as people are aware that there are 9/11Truth protests to go to the numbers would increase guaranteed I think. Basically itÂ’s about getting the grassroots movement big enough for the mass media to no longer ignore, and thatÂ’s beginning to happen I recon.

Cindy Sheehan is going to be in crawford til Sept 2. Someone should write and strongly suggest in no uncertain terms, she leave DC to the truthers on 9/11 since she is now infringing on their movement. How much air time does she need? And why choose that day anyway? As she has already stated, its not their cause.

More on bill oreilly's death threats toward barrett,

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb414099.htm

Hey Anonymous, there is nothing stopping us from going to DC, however the original plan was to take advantage of the huge anti-war crowd to try to spread the Truth.

Since Cindy doesn't want to mention anything about our message, then we will essentially be lost in the crowd of anti-war demonstrators.

We gotta do our own thing this September, not tag along with people who can't be bothered with the Truth.

Does anybody know where to find free video downloads of the 2004 San Francisco 911 Inquiry. I once downloaded several clips of speakers but do not know where the download site is anymore. Anyone know?

This is exactly what I have been saying was going to happen all along.

The DC protest is a total waste of time just like Sept 24th-25th 05' was, there are way too many causes that all come together which means none of them get heard.

The only real hope for the 9/11 truth movement to get even a remote chance of coverage is in NYC at ground zero.

Number one a lot of 9/11 truth people live in NYC probably more than in ANY other US city so the turn out would be larger BY FAR.
Number 2 the GOP is going to use this site for political bullshit on 9/11/06 you can guarantee it, so be there by the MILLIONS.

And you are exactly correct, the very reason the war is still raging and Iran is on the horizon along with yet another false flag terrorist scam & Marshall Law, Neofascist police state etc is because of such statements as this:

"""“WE ARE NOT, REPEAT, NOT, 9-11 RESEARCHERS… The 9-11 victims are dead! Our soldiers are dying, today, and every day. This is now. We can revisit your issue after we get our troops home. Y'all are sucking all the energy out of the antiwar movement and it is VERY DETREMENTAL to what we are trying to do…"""

That is the stupidest thing I can imagine.

Why do people here waste so much time on those who won't listen? Take some advice from Lord Acton and Jesus.

"There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion.”

"Let the dead bury the dead." Jesus
Mt 8:22

Those two quotes tell me that when we stick to teaching to those who are willing to listen, people like Cindy Sheehan will pay attention. If our organization gets more attention then hers she will join us, not the other way around.

jj111, u can find those videos among many other ones at www.911busters.com .

this may be what you are looking for JJ111.

http://911busters.com/aSanFran.htm

It's unfortunate that Cindy doesn't want to talk about it, but she is but one person in the anti-war movement (who takes a lot of credit herself).

Imho Cindy is a left gatekeeper. A useful idiot, useless for our fight.
If she cant (rather I'd say she doesnt want to) understand that 9/11 and the wars are directly related, than bye bye Cindy.

Fuck Cindy Sheehan and the horse she rode in on. Iraq is small potatoes compared to what is coming next. She and her backers are pissing in the wind if they think Bush and his Zionist/Neocon controllers would even consider leaving Iraq. 9/11 truth is the only solution as Tarpley states. Sheehan is either totally clueless or she is working for "The Man". Take your pick. What clued me in about Sheehan was a picture of her draped all over Jessie Jackson who is not only a traitor to his race but a money grabbing, publicity seeking despot

somebigguy--"Makes me think, why are they even protesting on the anniversary of 9/11??? They said themselves that the whole 9/11 thing is sucking all the energy of their movement. Maybe they'd be better off waiting until Remembrance Day..."

That is a very keen observation indeed! If Sheehan basically wants nothing to do with 9/11, then why the hell is she protesting anti-war on that day? I don't get it?

Pentagon OKS $6 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia

http://go.reuters.co.uk/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyI...

Who benefits?

There needs to be a way to consolidate all of the different splinters in the dissent. If all factions came together, it would be huge, and finally gain the attention that the media and governement REFUSE to give.

Finally I have found information about Amy Goodman and the deafening silence on 9/11 from Democracy Now.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26sep05.shtml

There's never an end to learning.

Whoops... wrong link.....

Here's the link about Amy Goodman...

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/amygoodmangatekeeper27aug05.shtml

Lots of info here...

"Makes me think, why are they even protesting on the anniversary of 9/11??? They said themselves that the whole 9/11 thing is sucking all the energy of their movement"

If she is being influenced or a shill, i would organize an event the same time the 9/11 truth movement plans to so all attention goes to her event and not the 9/11 truth movement event.

We need all the anti-war activists to get onboard. Come-on, we have the same goals!!!

We never could have invaded Afghanistan if it weren't for 9/11--to get Osama--who we're not even looking for any more!

Afghanistan paved our way into Iraq. (If Iraq went a little better, we'd already be in Iran!)

9/11 truth could end these wars immediately!

In other words, Cindy Sheehan is more than happy to use the anniversary of 9/11 to get her message out, however she will completely ignore 9/11 in order to do so. Or, Sheehan is compromised, and her handlers want her to protest on 9/11 in order to take the focus away from us.

The shame of it is, to me, Eric used to be a friend of mine.

Thanks Jon. I have saved that to my desktop for further reading. From what I have read of it so far, it is right on with what I discussed in one of my term papers. Thanks again.

"Thanks Jon. I have saved that to my desktop for further reading. From what I have read of it so far, it is right on with what I discussed in one of my term papers. Thanks again."

Jesus Plus Nothing

That is Harper's Magazine's take on "The Fellowship".

SCREW cindy sheehan. Going to New York and ground zero is a 100% complete waste of time. DC is where our focus must be. The Bubble that exists in washington cannot be penetrated from New York. The establishment will only hear our voices when the movement reaches critical mass on their very door steps.

The fact that Sheehan is going to DC means nothing. It seems to me that she is more focused on gaining political power rather than leading a political movement. If she will not embrace 911 truth then certainly she should not be allowed to march with us.

The time for truth is quickly running out. If we squander this opportunity by not converging on DC then it could possibly be THE fatal mistake of our movement. Sometime in the future we will look back at this moment and realize that this was the crossroads of the truth movement and of the country itself.

If we fear to take the path least traveled, simply because of obstacles like sheehan and others whom make the path seem dangerous, and choose to walk the easy road. Then we will be recalling this moment with deep regret, for we will have wasted our last chance to right the wrongs of the past and thus sacrifice our very future.

If you had to pick a book on 9/11, would you pick PAINFUL DECEPTIONS or Jim Marrs's INSIDE JOB?

I'm sorry about Eric. Despite his current beliefs and antagonism toward the 9/11 truth movement, would his book still be helpful? Or would Jim Marrs's book be better?

So, is there a coordinated agenda set for GZ? I know some are working on one but what about a preliminary agenda? I want to make sure whatever we do is respectful of the survivors/families and that we know the times/places to be and not to be. Of course, I fear having our plans broadcasted like this could be asking for trouble from our enemies. We have to have a way to be coordinated though. What's the plan Stan?

"If you had to pick a book on 9/11, would you pick PAINFUL DECEPTIONS or Jim Marrs's INSIDE JOB?

I'm sorry about Eric. Despite his current beliefs and antagonism toward the 9/11 truth movement, would his book still be helpful? Or would Jim Marrs's book be better?"

Neither. I would pick:

David Ray Griffin's
The New Pearl Harbor &
The 9/11 Report: Omissions & Distortions

Michael Ruppert's
Crossing The Rubicon: The End Of The American Empire At The End Of The Age Of Oil

Nafeez Ahmed's
War On Truth

Paul Thompson's
A Terror Timeline

Sander Hicks
9/11: The Big Wedding

I'm sorry about Eric. Despite his current beliefs and antagonism toward the 9/11 truth movement, would his book still be helpful? Or would Jim Marrs's book be better?
truthsearching2006 | 07.21.06 - 5:03 pm | #
Jim Marrs book paints a clearer and more broad picture. if it was between the 2, i would go with Marrs.

Griffins books are the best though.

Thanks, all, for the book suggestions.

"Griffins books are the best though."

Especially ones like this...

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/newautograph.JPG

Going price for that book is now $10,000.00

dz?

Ok, $20,000.00 but that's my final offer.

Ok, we have a book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions & Distortions" with signatures from Dr. David Ray Griffin, Ray McGovern, Paul Thompson, Barrie Zwicker, Carol Brouillet, Gabriel Day, Les Jamieson, Michael Wolsey, and...

Professor Steven E. Jones...

Going once...

Start with Griffin, then go to Webster Tarpley's Synthetic Terror.

Re: Goodman and Chomsky (Left Gatekeepers)

These articles are unscientific bollocks.

Its a list of unsatisfactory explained accusations.. as if MORE ACCUSATIONS would make more shit stick.

Goodman and Chomsky are hated by the establishment. They are arguably not feared enough... but they survive and they TEACH and present the other side.

Very valuable.

Any criticism please direct to yourself.

Or come up with proof.

Also, may I sugest to email chomsky, he answers actually.

It is F*CKING stupid of Cindy to say NOT to have BOTH anti-war group and 9-11 Truth movement together! She and rest of anti-war movement NEEDS to understand IF we are EVER to STOP these illegal,immoral wars, we MUST expose THE HUGE LIE THAT STARTED THEM! I.E. 9-11! I have met her on one occasion! It is PURE BULLSHIT THAT SHE DOES NOT WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO! I am pissed! If she and the rest of the anti-war movement EVER want to REALLY stop these wars quickly, we MUST expose the lies of 9-11! I am emailing GSFP, asap!

And people need to wake up to fact that Israel, i.e. Mossad was involved in 9-11 too! We need to all try to convince peace movement that UNTIL WE TOTALLY EXPOSE THE LIES OF 9-11, THE PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THESE ILLEGAL, IMMORAL WARS WILL CONTINUE! It ONLY makes sense to do BOTH! If people in anti-war movement think Bush and cohorts lied to take us to war, WHY IN HELL DON'T THEY BELIEVE THEY WOULD LIE ABOUT 9-11, TOO? Does mass murdering your own G.I's and innocent Iraqi's more believable then mass murdering 3000+ WTC victims? How can you kill innocent people in one respect and expect them to NOT kill them in any other? And for her to say we in 9-11 are "sucking out the energy of anti-war movement is JUST F*CKING WRONG! If anything, we are adding to the anti-war movement as everyday more and more people are finding out the truth of 9-11, more and more are being anti-war!

Greg and others, Prime Minister Olmert is bossom buddies with guy who owns airport security firm that handled two out of three airports that highjackers flew out of! The firm also handled de Guille airport where shoe bomber Richard Reid boarded the plane, even while he was on a watch list! hum! Did they purposedly LET him board plane? There is alot of evidence folks, of Israel involvement in 9-11 and other things!

I reckon you are all right to be going to GZ. I would if I were an American. As it is we will have our own protest in London. Hopefully we can link with you by mobiles or laptops.

I am sorry that Rick Siegel's event appears to have been hijacked as I met the guy in London and was impressed by his commitment. I also think his film, minus the unproved assertions about WMD, is very important documentary evidence.

However I would have thought NYC was the natural place to be on 9/11

I have read all the books Jon Gold mentioned earlier. Griffin's two books are the best to start out with. Start with "The New Pearl Harbor" then read "...Omissions.." Ruppert's book is also great but long and a bit snooze inducing. Thompson's book is a great reference and was one of the resources Griffin relied on for this two books.

K.

What is she going to do, if we handbill the anti-war movement? Have us arrested? I don't think so! Plus, IT WAS HER WHO FIRST SAID SHE WAS JOINING OUR GROUP, RIGHT? AND THAT SHE WAS COMING TO D.C. ON 9-11! 9-11 IS PERFECT TIME TO EXPOSE LIES ABOUT 9-11 AND IF SHE DOES LIKE IT, TOUGH SHIT! I AM EMAILING HER BIG TIME!

" http://www.zippyvideos.com/2114210245532976/video_ts_new_01/
Anonymous | 07.21.06 - 2:13 pm | # "

Why does every video clip from that angle always use the same two video clips edited together, that are split halfway through the collapse?

I suspect it could be because whoever was filming from the closer angle, started running or something and the camera became very shaky. So then the shot was edited with a further away angle showing the second half of the collapse.

But there appears to be some time missing of the building collapse between the change of angles.

I would like to see both of the camera angles used in that collapse of WTC 7, in their entirety.

Does anyone know where one or both are available?

And the FACT OF MATTER IS, OUR TROOPS ARE NOT GOING TO COME HOME EITHER NOR LESS BE DEPLODED UNTIL WE EXPOSE THE LIES ABOUT 9-11! Exposing the lies about war is not enough we need to expose the whole pure evil PNAC evil plans to stop their agenda! We MIGHT get our troops home someday, ONLY to have them put people like us 9-11 truthers in prison or cencentration camps! Does she want that to happen? Ask her that!

Chomsky is a tool. stop with the hero worship, you mention his name at least once a day.see the Moran thread below for Chomsky discussion.

REGULATING 911

Regulated Resistance: Is it possible to change the system when you are the system?
http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/articles/30

Regulated Resistance: Pt. 2 - The Gatekeepers of the So-Called Left
http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/articles/40

great links ab.

And... Eric [Hufschmid] has become aggressive against the movement.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 4:51 pm | #

Same thing goes for Nico Haupt. Seems like they've both gone bonkers.

(Hufschmid's video, Painful Deceptions, is still very good, IMO. His book, Painful Questions, is good, especially since it was written in 2002, I believe.)

Maybe some of Cindy Sheehan's "handlers" or "close advisors" are COINTELPRO who are telling her to steer clear of 9/11. It wouldn't surprise me.

Does anyone know where one or both are available?
- Ø®£Z - | 07.21.06 - 5:57 pm | #

I know, same thing with the following video that demonstrates foreknowledge that the North Tower was going to collapse. Two cops tell a reporter that it was going to collapse because "it was leaning." The North Tower never "leaned" ahead of time, to my knowledge.

Anyway, I wish they didn't keep cutting back-and-forth to Rudy Mussolini-Ghouliani. I wish we could get the raw footage.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/2374884495450566/outputwtc_01/

u2r2h | Homepage | 07.21.06 - 5:35 pm | #
Chomskey & his follower Goodman need to acknowledge 9/11 truth & stop being gatekeeps!

Hey everyone, I just deleted a few comments that didn't need to be posted. Please tone it down or take it elsewhere, thanks...

Re: foreknowledge tower collapse

There is also the 4 hour recording of this Howard Stern-radio arsehole... talking on the morning.

Amazingly he and his studio/PhoneIn-guests predict events ACCURATELY!

I think TWICE is is said that the towers will collapse. They also know that *we* will bomb the towelheads.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22howard+stern%22+u2r2h

Webster Tarpley's Synthetic Terror is the bible on 9/11. No other 9/11 book is even close.

Has anyone read this book? Recommend it?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931947058/rc3389-20&v=glance

Hufschmid

Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11th Attack

It is a very good book. But it needs to be revised... but not by Hufschmid.

Hufschmid is anti-Jew, Anti-Open-Source Software and lets say, limited in his mental faculties, like most of us, me included.

He is not a luminary, but his book and video were VERY NECESSARY at the time (3 years ago?).. he did indeed inject sanity/doubt into the 911 debate, he is one of the pioneers.

I am sure its fun to argue with him... he is a proper block-head.

But if you want give his book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931947058/rc3389-20&v=glance
away as a birthday present to someone, I think that's a jolly good idea.

His book will make a NOTORIOUS ITEM on a "normal" person's bookshelf.

Yep TARPLEY book is REALLY GOOD

there is a PDF file around.

For a complete list of books, see my

LIST OF 911 MIHOP books.

http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/

let me know if I am missing one!