Daniel Ellsberg requests a correction.
(The following email was forwarded to 911blogger.com, but is not addressed to 911blogger.com directly. Daniel Ellsberg has risked more as a truthteller than most of us, and so, here are his corrections regarding the Infowars story.)
Friday, July 21, 2006.
The main headline in the story by Kevin Smith and Alex Jones, Infowars.com, July 19, 2006, “Ellsberg Says Government May Have Carried Out 9/11â€, is a highly misleading paraphrase of my comments and beliefs. The subheadline, “Predicts Bush Regime Will Stage Terrorist Attack to Provide Pretext for Iran, Syria invasion, and Justify Internment Camps for American Peopleâ€, is a flat misquotation, which actually reverses what I said. Likewise, the corresponding statement in the second paragraph that “within days after a U.S. military strike on Iran Bush’s handlers would probably stage some type of terror attack in the West to legitimize the new war.â€
Both of these alleged quotations are contradicted by the accurate quotation running in a boldface insert alongside them: “If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire DECREE that will involve massive detentions in this country.†[emphasis added: not a Reichstag-fire-like US-staged terrorist ATTACK, either before or after a US air attack (not an “invasionâ€) against Iran].
On the possibility that 9-11 was “carried out†by the government, my views have not changed over the last two years, when I have repeatedly endorsed calls for a thorough investigation of a sort that has not yet occurred, exploring valid questions that have been raised by outside investigators and not directly addressed by the official hearings. Those hearings have at the very least have aimed at obscuring or covering up massive incompetence, inattention, horribly misdirected priorities, and culpable negligence, especially in neglect of warnings (all comparable to the response to Katrina). That there “may†have been more sinister motives at work, I cannot rule out as impossible, after my own insider’s experience of the Tonkin Gulf incidents in Vietnam, but the evidence so far does not make that a major probability in my view.
Since your story has already given rise to paraphrased assertions on the web that I now “suspect†or regard as “probable†or “likely†or “conclude†that the government staged 9-11, I’m forced to try to describe my state of uncertainty less ambiguously than words like “may†convey. I did say that I believed the psychological (not “physiologicalâ€) CAPABILITY for staging or provoking an attack did exist in elements in this administration, as in the past, but at this moment I would personally put the odds in favor of this actually having happened at about one in a hundred, or 1%.
Dick Cheney, according to Ron Suskind’s “The 1% Doctrineâ€, might regard that as sufficient grounds for torture, indefinite detention, or even preventive war, but I would say it falls far short of legal requirements for indictment, let alone conviction. Further investigation, yes, considering the stakes. By comparison, for example, I would regard the evidence that manipulation of the electoral process, unethical or illegal, enough to shift the results in the 2000 and 2004 elections to be very much stronger, though still short of near-certainty. And the evidence that a secret Administration RESPONSE to 9-11 was to accelerate a president-led conspiracy to lie the country into an invasion of Iraq, and to violate laws and Constitutional rights, seems overwhelming, more than enough to warrant impeachment of the president, the vice-president, the secretary of defense, and other top aides.
I know others disagree about 9-11, which I respect, but I would point out that much of the evidence on which they base their conclusions has not been subject to cross examination or directly opposing testimony, precisely because the “investigations†so far have refused to use fully the subpoena powers at their disposal or even to address directly many of the probing questions that have been raised by outside analysts.
I trust you will wish to correct these misimpressions on your website, and arrange for the publication of this correction.
Yours, Daniel Ellsberg
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LOL@ DHS: Lucerferian
LOL@ DHS: Lucerferian germanic deathcult?
I thought it was the Reichstagian Babylonian problem reaction solution malfusian globalist elite? :)
SEPTEMBER 18, 2001 Police
SEPTEMBER 18, 2001
Police dispatch tapes show emergency response after a hijacked jetliner hit the Pentagon (September 18)
This is another interesting one.
Is it possible to purchase high quality versions of these from CNN?
this is the site TBone
this is the site TBone refers to:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/multimedia.day.html
T Bone: I'm trying to find
T Bone:
I'm trying to find higher quality versions of these.
I'm basically up for the rest of the day since I took a very long nap earlier, so I'm burning DVDs to take with me for tomorrow and looking for some of this.
I'll check that serial number out a little later. That could be very interesting.
This is bad, very bad.
This is bad, very bad. Alex's tabloid style has got to stop.
The cameraman also makes the
The cameraman also makes the comment that covering the aftermath of the collaps was like filming a volcano eruption due to the pulverized powder all over the place
Did anyone notice this? I
Did anyone notice this?
I picked up on something on one of the CNN videos that DHS posted in another thread. Its the clip that says "A look at the World Trade Center tragedy through the eyes of a CNN cameraman." In this clip it shows a police officer protecting a piece of the plane that hit one of the towers and you can almost make out the serial #. It looks like it says, "Boeing (SIG) 25GT1U5-2", or something close to that. Its hard to make out because the video is so small. Any way we can find out if this matches one of the planes?
In general, I respect Alex
In general, I respect Alex Jones and what he has done and continues to do for the truth movement. But I've noticed that on occassion he exaggerates and/or blurs the facts, and that needs to stop. It's hurting his credibilty.
He does have a habit of
He does have a habit of saying to most the people he interviews "do you think its impossible some in the US may have wanted 9/11 to happe", then when they say "its possible"...the headline then is "So And So Says Inside Job!!!".
This has happened with Bruce Willis, Ellsberg, and now Sibel Edmonds.
I knew Ellsberg was an "incompetence" supporter. Leftgatekeepers love to talk about electoral fraud and Iraq conspiracies, but when it comes to 9/11...oh not, it's "incompetence".
As far as I'm concerned, if the Bush administration did ONE thing to prevent the prevention of 9/11,
that is US complicity. I think Sibel Edmonds uncovered proof of some sort of proxy funding for terrorism from the US, possibly funding al Qaeda through Pakistan.
I think 9/11 was a case possibly, of "hijacking the hijackers". Anyways, don't worry about Ellsberg or Willis. Alex thinks we need big names to support the truth, and thats true to some extend, but facts stand on facts.
Ellsberg now says hes convinced it was incompetence, whatever. If one dollar from the US went to the hijackers, if one nod or wink or understanding went from the US to intermediaries between them and the hijackers...if one person obstructed the FBI or NORAD knowing something is coming, that is complicity.
As far as Im concerned, all t he behavior of the Bush regime points to involvement, whether the facts show it or not.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/multimedia.day.html
This has some incredible stuff, any ideas where I can get the highres versions?
My 2 favorite are:
Video crews are allowed to capture images of the damage to the Pentagon (Sept. 11)
CNN's Aaron Brown and Jamie Mcintyre describe the events of as they unfold with timed attacks on New York city and Washington D.C. (Sept. 11)
Notice in the latter, Aaron Brown actually interrupts Jamie McIntyre to report a huge explosion at the WTC, then claims he can't see the 2nd tower anymore.
He seemed a lot more certain
He seemed a lot more certain in the broadcast...
Here's an .avi I ripped
Here's an .avi I ripped (25MB) of that CNN Pentagon walk-thru footage:
http://unitedslavesofamerica.org/pentagon.avi
Israel Set War Plan More
Israel Set War Plan More Than A Year Ago
I noticed when Alex
I noticed when Alex interviewed Sibel, it was almost as if he was trying to force her to say something she obviously didn't mean. Then, when he came back on from the break he even said on the air that he was trying to do that and said..."yea, this is gonna be a good headline."
He shouldn't set people up like that, it gives skepdics something to use against us because it's exxagerated. Now, if he asked her..."do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?" And she said "oh, of course yes!" Then that would be different.
Not surprised at all,
Not surprised at all, typical of Jones' sloppy journalism
I noticed when Alex
I noticed when Alex interviewed Sibel, it was almost as if he was trying to force her to say something she obviously didn't mean. Then, when he came back on from the break he even said on the air that he was trying to do that and said..."yea, this is gonna be a good headline."
He shouldn't set people up like that, it gives skepdics something to use against us because it's exxagerated. Now, if he asked her..."do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?" And she said "oh, of course yes!" Then that would be different.
I agree. Sibel is trying to be careful, and only has one tiny portion of the puzzle. And yes, it does give thos ethat hate our cause more ammo. If someone like Sheen wants to call up and say "Im right on board", sweet. But yeah, I agree.
It's why Ray Mcgovern has not gone "public" with 9/11 views.
The fact that there is this big trail back to al Qaeda and hijackers makes it hard for people to see past that.
Be it the US planned it, the US hijacked the real hijacker plans, or allowed it...it's all US complicity.
It's why Ray Mcgovern has
It's why Ray Mcgovern has not gone "public" with 9/11 views.
pockybot | 07.22.06 - 12:16 am | #
Hopefully I will be able to ask Ray this tomorrow when I go see him speak.
I think something like "Do you believe elements within our government could be complicit in 9/11 attacks, and do you support a new, independent, international investigation?"
"Intentionally, I and I want
"Intentionally, I and I want to underline this, intentionally they are not going after the middlemen and the people at the top. So to this day the American public have not heard who is the real culprit behind 9/11. There is money laundering, and certain narcotic and weapons procurements involved."
That is what Sibel said on Alex's show. The fact that she wanted to "underline this" indicates that she meant what she said...
The middlemen and the people at the top have not been investigated.
The supposed, "real culprit behind 9/11".
"once this issue gets to be...investigated [9/11], you will be seeing certain [American] people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally"
"There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized"
So the question is, are the "certain American people that we know from this country" the "middlemen" or the "people at the top"?
Considering the United States has been the ones to benefit the most from 9/11, I'm going to assume those "American Names" that she "recognized" that, if investigated will be, "standing trial", and "will be prosecuted criminally" are the "people at the top".
Care to guess those "American Names?
Jon: Frank Stallone, without
Jon:
Frank Stallone, without a doubt, is behind this.
I don't care for Alex Jones'
I don't care for Alex Jones' in your face attitude. I think it makes people feel defensive (hell, I get defensive listening to him), and we are talking about life and death here; it's a sensitive topic.
Dr Griffin's humbleness, his well thought-out presentations, his "just stating the facts, but I won't get pissed off at you if you disagree" civilized approach is the proper way to address people's sensibilities, and I think all Truthers would be wise to utilize Griffin's approach.
[b]I think something like
[b]I think something like "Do you believe elements within our government could be complicit in 9/11 attacks, and do you support a new, independent, international investigation?"[/b]
Yea, and also...the hardline, aggressive way of going about this is not going to attract people to come forward. Asking, "was 9/11 an inside job?" may be too blunt and enforcing to people. Remember, people have beliefs, but not everyone is an activist.
OT: I caught the beginning
OT:
I caught the beginning of Dateline on NBC this evening, and they were interviewing the two NYPD guys upon whom Oliver Stone is basing his new movie.
There were two noteworthy comments: In the first, one guy said when they arrived at Tower 2 it looked like a car bomb had gone off because the lobby was destroyed. Second, when they were trapped under the rubble of the Twin Towers, they said they heard what sounded like rapid gunfire, which they were later told was coming from Building 7.
Supposedly there is more footage from the interviews with these guys on dateline.msnbc.com, but I haven't checked it out yet to see if there are any other interesting pieces.
I trust Alex Jones'
I trust Alex Jones' sincerity but I do agree that he does have a habit of distorting / misrepresenting the views of certain parties- though I can understand why he wants to do this. He usually is guilty of rounding a comment up to the nearest whole indictment- and in effect puts words in the mouths of so many.
I hope he'll have the integrity to share Mr. Ellsberg's comments with the world via his heavily trafficked sites- even though it'll be a bit of a letdown and might leave some egg on his own face.
"Jon: Frank Stallone,
"Jon:
Frank Stallone, without a doubt, is behind this."
Probably. My point was that Alex may have "pushed" Sibel, but she really didn't say anythiing that she hasn't said before during other interviews, and with the same conviction.
Don't ask McGovern
Don't ask McGovern anything...
TELL HIM to sue for 9-11.
As soon as there is ANYONE WITH A NAME ready to sue the US Junta, there will be LAWYERS and something can be achieved...
Ellsberg said 100% CLEARLY:
... Administration ...president-led conspiracy to lie the country ... warrant impeachment
what more do you need to take action?
The world is waiting.
How long
also
also Jon:
http://www.opposingdigits.com and the DB Smith / Eric H. groupies will say that the US gov't folks are pawns and it's the Zionist mastermind rulers that the attention is being diverted from (they seem to hate Alex Jones too).
They often create images like this:
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/pabloxl5/smallalex.jpg
http://myspace-478.vo.llnwd.net/00894/87/49/894199478_l.gif
or "mock Alex Jones" video clips like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjfD-CJCb9U&eurl=
"I don't care for Alex
"I don't care for Alex Jones' in your face attitude. I think it makes people feel defensive (hell, I get defensive listening to him), and we are talking about life and death here; it's a sensitive topic."
I get defensive listening sometimes too. But Jones is funny a lot of times also...so I always listen waiting for him to crack a joke on somebody...LOL!!!
Not to mention, I don't agree with him on every issue. But his new documentary 'TerrorStorm' was suberb!
"or "mock Alex Jones" video
"or "mock Alex Jones" video clips like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...fD-CJCb9U&eurl="
ROFL...I have to admit that Youtube link was funny!!!
:lol: I love Alex Jones, but
:lol:
I love Alex Jones, but at some level, that mock video is pretty dman funny. What kind of 'tard takes the time and energy to put something like that together? The funny thing is, I always imagined frequent poster Chris looked something like this guy.
"I got them New World Order
"I got them New World Order blues
In these blue suede shoes."
Gold, Jerry, gold.
The best part is that
The best part is that dumbfuck has to read off of Huschmid's cue cards.
A lot of people slam
A lot of people slam caution, they slam anyone who thinks LIHOP, they slam Jon Gold. There's someone on here with the name "Pragmatic"...well that's the way people should operate. I love the bullhorning anti NWO Alex Jones, he's a hero of mine...but hot damn, he doesnt need to get every single person he interviews to say "Oh yes, Cheney planned the whole thing".
I think merely having someone say "theres a lot we do not know, there is a coverup and there needs to be a new investigation" works for me.
In recent days the Bruce Willis, Ellsberg, and Global Hawk guy claims Alex Jones made on his site have all turned out to be false, and trying to force Sibel into a statement, again...only comes back to bite AJ and us on the ass.
That's what the neocons do, they distort to show that IRaq was in o n 9/11 and had WMD's...we do not need to do that. Alex Jones is my hero tho:)
Seriously, DZ and SBG have
Seriously, DZ and SBG have to put "New World Order Blues" as a link at the top.
"Feel the power of my bullhorn..."
:lol:
When is Bullhorn Explosion
When is Bullhorn Explosion going to be released?
"LIHOP, they slam Jon
"LIHOP, they slam Jon Gold."
I'm not "LIHOP"?
There are three reasons why
There are three reasons why I am slammed.
1) I don't like to talk as much about the narratives people have written to fill in the gaps of the story as other people do.
2) I focus on the "less glamorous" stuff. The less "exciting" stuff.
3) I am good at what I do.
By the way...how do you
By the way...how do you bold?
Anyway Pockybot, what happened with Bruce Willis? I know it was said through Linkletter...but did Willis come back and say he didn't say that? And I believe the Global Hawk theory, but the guy Jones interviewed a few days ago seemed confused or something. I know I was on the Loose Change boards and they were saying how he was saying different things during different interviews.
Is Opposing Digits a friend
Is Opposing Digits a friend of DBS and EH?
You bold by putting a "B"
You bold by putting a "B" between a left and right arrow, followed by the phrase you want to bold, followed by a "/B" between a left and a right arrow to close the bold.
My name IS Jon.
[B]My[/B] name [B]IS[/B]
[B]My[/B] name [B]IS[/B] Jon.
Except you replace the [ with the arrows to the left of your right Shift Key.
The same is true for italics, except you use an I in the place of B, or U if you want to underline a word or phrase.
UNDERLINE
UNDERLINE
Doesn't work. Sorry.
Doesn't work. Sorry. Italics does.
You guys gotta chill out on
You guys gotta chill out on forcing everyone to say what you want. This has happened with almost everyone. They hint that they are truthers, you put words in their mouth, and then they disappear. Ease off of McGovern. He goes to every truth movement event. Either he is scouting it for CIA or he is a pure truther. If he is a pure truther, it's still gonna take some time. I know, I know, we don't have any time...
"You guys gotta chill out on
"You guys gotta chill out on forcing everyone to say what you want. This has happened with almost everyone. They hint that they are truthers, you put words in their mouth, and then they disappear. Ease off of McGovern. He goes to every truth movement event. Either he is scouting it for CIA or he is a pure truther. If he is a pure truther, it's still gonna take some time. I know, I know, we don't have any time..."
Very few people have as much
Very few people have as much
Very few people have as much respect for Ray McGovern than I do.
I will address him as Mr. McGovern, even though I have met him on two different occassions, and corresponded with him several times.
I will not be aggressive towards Ray.
as I do...
as I do...
Thanks Jon. You guys gotta
Thanks Jon.
You guys gotta chill out on forcing everyone to say what you want. This has happened with almost everyone. They hint that they are truthers, you put words in their mouth, and then they disappear. Ease off of McGovern. He goes to every truth movement event. Either he is scouting it for CIA or he is a pure truther. If he is a pure truther, it's still gonna take some time. I know, I know, we don't have any time...
That's what I'm saying. It only forces people away. Take some like the Revolutionary War. You had the Loyalists and Revolutionaries. Then you had the people in between who were sympathizers for either group. Not everyone who believes in 9/11 Truth is an activist!!!! You WILL have sympathizers in situations like these. I don't think it's anything Jones is doing maliciously, I just think he's always on the lookout for the next person to start a rally with. But he should know that his hardliner tactics may just scare people into not coming forward.
I know exactly what I'm
I know exactly what I'm going to say tomorrow if given the chance.
BTW... I think it's time the
BTW... I think it's time the movement stopped using the labels "LIHOP" and "MIHOP".
For the same reasons mentioned above. People see labels as something "aggressive".
The majority of the people who think the Government lied about 9/11 believe they let it happen. Remember the 9/11 Truth Door To Door? "I think they knew about it ahead of time"...
Guess what folks... I'm going to bet that's how the majority of people who question 9/11 feel.
It isn't until you start researching 9/11 that you discover it was more than that.
Anyway, I'm saying you should cut LIHOP people some slack. They are the majority.
That doesn't mean, however, that you should stop trying to educate people. It just means we're all in this together.
Not everyone has the time some of us have spent looking into this... remember that.
What does LIHOP and MIHOP
What does LIHOP and MIHOP stand for?
Hands up who has NOT read
Hands up who has NOT read this:
http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=90
come on.. just do it.. you read a lot, you guys, I know you do.
=========================
after finished reading
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Now what question poses itself?
I demand that Mr. Jones
describes his connections.
Mr. Jones
Do you really believe Jesus visited South America?
Does or has your research been connected to WEAPONS or the INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY?
@Jon, I said 'people slam
@Jon, I said 'people slam LIHP (comma), they slam Jon Gold'
I said that because you're a voice of reason, who choses...like I do, to go with what we do know without resorting to the exotic. I was saying people who believe in LIHOP, people urging we go by fact(you), etc.
Someone said this:
They hint that they are truthers, you put words in their mouth, and then they disappear. Ease off of McGovern. He goes to every truth movement event.
I agree.
Most people questioning 9/11 truth, are of the "we werent told the full truth/maybe they allowed it". Thats where the 42% come in. Alex Jones will make you think everyone believes "OMG Cheney planned the whole thing!"
Again, I'm just urging caution, and to not force people into saying things, misquoting them, etc
"In critical circles about
"In critical circles about the movement the joke or speculation is getting louder that Jones is US Intelligence."
WTF? You've gotta be kidding me.. You guys never cease to amaze me the lengths you will go to damage and further splinter the movement.
Give it up Nico.
Just watched the Dateline
Just watched the Dateline interviews on the web. The interview with John McLoughlin has something they didn't show on TV. At the beginning he says he heard an explosion like a bomb went off near the lobby of Tower 2.
Isn't it interesting how NBC conviently left out John's description of an "explosion". I remember rewinding the Dateline broadcast and listening to it a few times because it sounded like they cut in right in the middle of a sentence, and it was hard to understand what he was saying. But when you get to watch more of the interview on their website, you see that on the Dateline broadcast they cut in right when he said "it looked like a car bomb went off", when in reality he said something like "I heard an explosion, looked over at number 2 and it looked like a car bomb went off".
Thoughts?
Bob Bowman said it on H&C,
Bob Bowman said it on H&C, and I have been saying it for a long time.
"The truth about 911 is that we don't know the truth, and we should."
Another good line, the day after, on Mike Malloy, was "If the gov't has nothing to hide, why do they hide everything?"
and Jon: yes, opposing
and Jon:
yes, opposing digits is run by this guy, who ridicules anything that doesn't slam zionism:
http://www.myspace.com/madthumbs
interestingly enough he
interestingly enough he "friended" me on myspace. I don't know where some of these people find me, but I've got an international list of truthers, some a little more reasonable than others.
This is BS. Once upon a
This is BS. Once upon a time Ellsberg had courage, apparently no more. I just listened to his interview again, and he definitely did not rule out the possibility of government involvement. Thus we see an Alex Jones headline of "Ellsberg says Government MAY have carried out 9/11", note the MAY in the headline.
Mr. Ellsberg then goes on to compare 9/11 to the reichstag in that the truth behind both are shrouded in mystery(Even though Nazi fingerprints are all over this incident) He then goes on to correctly compare the similarity between the political manipulations and lose of freedoms after 9/11 to that of the transformation of Germany after the burning of the reichstag building.
The fact that he himself acknowledges that such manipulation of the truth is possible based on his personal experience with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. And that he now says the chances of such an event is 1%, when he says in his interview and I quote:
"There is no question that serious issues have been raised about how much they knew beforehand, and how much involvement there may have been." So we go from there are definitely serious questions about 9/11, to a 1% chance of this being the case???
This on top of this there is the fact that he himself states that he is surprised that Bush didn't carry out a gulf of tonkin type incident before Iraq. Let me get this straight. He says that he is surprised that this didn't occur before Iraq, but how could he say that he expected one such type of false flag terror, and then say that there is only a 1% chance that such manipulation exists????
any myspace users who
any myspace users who care:
http://myspace.com/donshappelle
is me.
Here is a link to the Meria
Here is a link to the Meria Heller free show. Meria interviews Morgan Reynolds. Excellent interview. I would recommend every 9/11 truther listen.
u2r2h- Anyone who would put
u2r2h-
Anyone who would put that much effort into discrediting Steven Jones is a complete jackass.
Nico is by far the most destructive person in the movement today - even aside from the 'TV fakery' bullshit.
Nico is by far the most
Nico is by far the most destructive person in the movement today - even aside from the 'TV fakery' bullshit.
I agree, but I would also add that all he has to do is stop with the shananigans. I dont think hes "paid cointelpro" unlike WingTV.
But that New Yorker magazine article reporting Nico's outlandish outbursts...yeeesh. I can see how some in the media see us all.
You know, Ellsberg did say that, I wonder why he backpdealed. Oh well, we have our footsoldiers doing the good research and coming forward, we dont need leftgatekeepers.
LOL@http://www.youtube.com/wa
LOL@http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjfD-CJCb9U&eurl=
Just because I look up to someone as a hero, doesnt mean I dont appreciate parody:) I wish they had Alex Jones action figures with a bullhorn. Heck, I myself do a pretty spot on Alex Jones impersonation.
pocky: watch out before the
pocky:
watch out before the germanic luciferian death cult comes for YOU!
Here's a nice Pro-Barrett
Here's a nice Pro-Barrett letter to the editor in Seattle PI in regards to this:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/277969_young19.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/278310_ltrs21.html
Beliefs that have no basis in fact are strictly defended
As someone who has spent years studying reasoning and logic, it never ceases to amaze me the lengths to which people will go to defend beliefs that have no basis in reason or evidence. Cathy Young's Wednesday column, "Conspiracy theory in the classroom," is a perfect illustration.
It is true that the events of 9/11 were disturbing and any conversation about them is emotionally charged. But when one examines the evidence, it is clear that disturbing questions remain unanswered.
The official conspiracy theory of 9/11 involves 19 Arab religious fanatics. Young wants us all to accept this conspiracy theory and treat it as absolute fact, but offers no evidence.
We are all conspiracy theorists. Some people completely accept the official conspiracy theory -- Young herself and only about 48 percent of Americans, according to a Zogby poll commissioned by 911truth.org. Other people are suspicious of that conspiracy theory and suspect it is simply cover for a more sinister conspiracy that involved people who actually had the means, motive and opportunity to accomplish the crimes of 9/11.
We need a national discussion on this issue because the holes in the official conspiracy theory continue to widen.
Young seems to consider empirical evidence and the laws of physics to be nonsense. For rational people, though, those things matter a great deal.
Richard Curtis
Seattle
Here's the comment section:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/277969_young19.html
Tbone: your guess as to the
Tbone:
your guess as to the serial is as close as anyone's.
the only way to pinpoint it is to get a higher resolution version of this footage.
Does anyone have it? I know FrankV has a lot of media.
After reading some of the
After reading some of the books and looking at some of the DVDs its obvious to me that this was an inside job. Read Griffin's books. Read his rebuttal to the official 911 investigation, the 500+ page report.
Comb the internet for a few weeks.
For Ellsberg to say there is a 1% chance of an inside job tells me Ellsberg today, 2006, is BLIND.
The key point is to not trust the authorities or the famous or the rich or your parents or .. You have to trust what your own senses are telling you. Trust yourself more than the outside influences.
Who needs Ellsberg or Bruce Willis to confirm what is obvious. There are millions of people braver and smarter and more honest than them. And obviously if you are rich or famous the predominant tendency would be to not rock the boat and to turn a blind eye (and turn off any kind of cognitive dissonance) to the facts.
And as far as Alex goes. He is not the head of the 911 movement. This movement does not follow a man, f..k that, it follows the truth. Given all the neocon wackos who get away with distorting the truth everyday and having a media that is complicit isn't it some kind of cosmic balance to get some exaggeration from Jones.
DHS. Here's another good
DHS. Here's another good one.
"CNN's David Ensor talks about claims of responsibility for the terrorism in New York and Washington (Sept. 11)"
FUCCCCKKKK. Why can't Alex
FUCCCCKKKK. Why can't Alex Jones just be happy with "SO IN SO Says there is a 9/11 Coverup". If someone says theres a coverup, or the official story is a fraud, he then posts an article that says "SO IN SO SAYS INSIDE JOB!"
I am very happy with someone saying we werent told the full truth or theres a coverup...so much further than even what the leftgatekeepers say.
the sheep are often afraid
the sheep are often afraid to leave the pen in fear of what the sheep still inside the pen will say about them.
I'm starting to think this
I'm starting to think this Israel invasion of Lebanon is a bluff. They are massing up on the boarders with the cameras rolling hoping for an excuse to go in and nothing is happening or they are seeing how the world is responding and balking. An MSNBC analyst is openly wondering why the Israelis are giving away their position like this.
I often wonder what these
I often wonder what these "News Reporters" think and say when the cameras are off and their shift is over.
"I often wonder what these
"I often wonder what these "News Reporters" think and say when the cameras are off and their shift is over."
You would think the reporters would sneak online anonymously and spill their guts.
$$$bush adminstration loves
$$$bush adminstration loves war$$$
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22military.html?ex=11...
Why pick on Alex? It's
Why pick on Alex? It's clear, after some uncomfortable emails, that Ellsberg lost his nerve.
LOL@ DHS: Lucerferian
LOL@ DHS: Lucerferian germanic deathcult?
I thought it was the Reichstagian Babylonian problem reaction solution malfusian globalist elite?
pockybot | 07.22.06 - 4:00 am | #
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This is funniest Alex Jones
This is funniest Alex Jones rant I've heard, right after he gets of the phone with Stanley Hilton just about at the end of the show he goes;
"Or you can investigate the claims-we-have-made-that-are-doc-u-mented I have tried to disprove them they are TRUE!"
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204hilton.htm
HAHAHA, you've got to hear it to understand, but the way he says "TRUE" just knocks me out, funking hilarious!
Like I said, I love Alex
Like I said, I love Alex Jones. I couldn't come up with the more perfect personality to do what he does. And I can not even begin to imagine the real facts he's seen that are not even reported, but are real. But still, these days he seems to be going off the deep end with "facts".
Now he's saying 90% of Americans think it was an inside job? That every guest he's had that's mentioned 9/11 says its an inside job? That Serbia was falsely blamed?(Gee, wasnt there massive ethnic cleaning of the Arabs there?)
again, I think even our biggest heroes should not be above scrutiny. 90% of what he says I agree with 100%, and his knowlege(or "interpretation") of history is unmatched. He's definately one highly intelligent and smart guy.
But are most terror attacks really "false flag", does the CIA really oversea the bulk of the global drug trade? I love tho how he attacks both the left and the right...to me that's a pretty unique angle. Also, I find it funny in his retorts it's always something like "Sir! Sir, it's 100% irrefutable, uncontrifutable hardcore fact that Masonic Lawn gnomes carried out the New York Black Out...it's right there, associated press, google it up! Total Problem Reaction Solution" If they screw up his order at Mcdonalds, it's "problem reaction solution" ;) Anyways, I'm just teasing. And yes, I do like David Icke:)
Here is the Meria Heller,
Here is the Meria Heller, Morgan Reynolds link. Sorry I forgot to post it last night. http://subscribe.streamguys.com/meriaheller_od_free/todaysshow.wma
This is BS. Once upon a time
Excellent post, Bob^. It deserves a re-posting, IMO!
The funny thing is, I always
The funny thing is, I always imagined frequent poster Chris looked something like this guy.
Anonymous | 07.22.06 - 12:41 am | #
HAHA, not even close. at least i use a name you Anonymous coward bitch.
Ellsberg is a bit of a
Ellsberg is a bit of a coward now. i heard the segment, he sounded a lot more sure of himself on the air than he did in these statements.
Alex Jones is clearly one of
Alex Jones is clearly one of the best truthers out there! It is his job as a journalist to ELICIT information & opinions from people!
Stop trying to Bash Alex Jones!
I did say that I believed
I did say that I believed the psychological (not “physiological”) CAPABILITY for staging or provoking an attack did exist in elements in this administration, as in the past, but at this moment I would personally put the odds in favor of this actually having happened at about one in a hundred, or 1%.
1%? ok Ellsberg, whatever you say............
yeah, i agree, the Alex
yeah, i agree, the Alex Jones hate is misdirected yet again.people always wait for a chance to bash Alex Jones,so when something like this happens thats pretty much all you see.
Bob's post is interesting.
Bob's post is interesting. My gut reaction was that it's fishy that the tone of Ellsberg is NOW much different. I too heard the live interview and I did not get the impression Alex Jones forced him into styling his words in any which direction.
I don't agree with Alex Jones on a lot of things but he has tenacity like few others in the convictions of his beliefs. (Oh, well, yes, George W. Bush has that tenacity, but his Adminstration is leading America into further darknes, especially with his Middle Eastern charades now.)
Seems like Ellsberg is
Seems like Ellsberg is retreating into so semantics/word games at the moment?
http://video.google.com/video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3211807290597119388
I haven't seen any/many comments on this trailer ( WMD at the WTC ).
I've also never heard such a loud explosion recorded ( firemen trying to get those guys off of the pay phone; happens almost 2 min. into it ) on 9/11.
Literally stunning.
911Blogger's version of the
911Blogger's version of the Ellsberg story was accurate, based on the actual interview and not Alex Jones' story.
Anyone familiar with this
Anyone familiar with this site?
http://911courage.org/
I rec'd an e-mail from them but it's the first I've heard of them. Any info? Thank you.
+ Kev +
= + =
I am sickened by the 180
I am sickened by the 180 degree turnj with you guys this morning. Attacking Alex Jones when the person you should be attacked is that effing wuss Ellsberg.
All Alex did was to try and strap some balls on this guy and make him show some courage. What the hell is wrong with that? And who do I trust more? Some little guy shouting his lungs out 14 hours a day and rocking the boat trying to get some little ripples of change going in the US, or some lousy 35 year washington insider sitting in some smarmy suburb sipping margueritas and wondering which senator will call him next? I choose Alex. He has shown more courage than anyone in any movement.
Why are there so many left gatekeepers? Because not only does the right have much to lose, the connections, the kick backs, the inside information that they've been working years at procuring, but so do democrats. They too are addicts who are very unwilling to break the habit of corruption. The weapons makers and politicians have everyone in their grip and they know it.
Daniel Ellsberg is one of them and has back pedalled through that whole letter. First his uses the phrase "equivalent Reichstag fire" which was clearly a false flag operation and is understood by all to be a false flag but then he recants it and seems to suggest he was using the concept as an example. Sorry it's either a false flag he meant or it's not. And if he meant false flag, then he also meant that Bush is capable of false flags.
Then, laughably, he says that a new investigation is needed because of the new questions raised and he cannot rule out more sinister motives at work. But the EVIDENCE so far does not make that a major possibility. So on one hand, it's possible but I have discounted the evidence and then in the last paragraph, he concludes, that there is a small chance of this.
Why the hell did he go on Alex Jones show anyway then???? Anyone asking why the coward wanted to speak to Jones? He knows what Jones wanted to talk about and Ellsberg accidently opened his big mouth and said everything he subconscioulsy wanted to say, and then afterward in the light of day and, after some dozens of phone calls from his insider friends, had a rethink and was told he should probably shut up before he finds himself dead. I would say that likelihood is greater now. I hope you're reading these comments, cause Alex and others are right. You stay alive when you speak out loudly.
And lastly, what about legacy? Jon has written about this...why don't these people do it for their children and grandchildren? Why aren't they speaking out for them? Shame on Ellsberg and shame on you for doing a WING TV on Jones, perhaps the one guy you could say has his heart in the right place.
http://video.google.com/
http://video.google.com/ videopla...807290597119388
I haven't seen any/many comments on this trailer ( WMD at the WTC ).
I've also never heard such a loud explosion recorded ( firemen trying to get those guys off of the pay phone; happens almost 2 min. into it ) on 9/11.
Literally stunning.
cormorant | 07.22.06 - 10:11 am | #
"Personally I don't like "911 Eyewitness", I've tried to but it just kind of comes across as weird to me, the narratorÂ’s voice is very abrasive IMO. The music isnÂ’t good either, and the way they detail some the explosions etc at some points is very detached. The music they use for those "analysis" parts is like the kind of shit you hear in an elevator, or on a call thatÂ’s on hold. I can't recommend it, I recognise a lot of people do appreciate it though. But especially with all this WMD at the WTC idea, the film goes closer to the kooked out category for me. Thermate is credible, why's this guy "Rick Siegel" is pushing this WMD shit is confusing. It looks like a pure dick move as I'm concerned.
I dread to think the damage it might cause being shown at the DC protest. Why not just show “loose change final cut”, or better yet “9/11 Press for the truth” which sounds very promising. Controlled Demolition is the best convictable evidence in my opinion, but it's not necessarily the most convincing for people to consider at first. A convincing LIHOP film that leaves open the possibility for MIHOP, would be the most effective thing to show at DC I feel. Because people undoubtedly after being convinced by LIHOP argument that acknowledges the possibility for MIHOP, will naturally want to seek more information. And so that's when a really good MIHOP film would be most effective, like I hope LC Final Cut will be if they make that thing watertight, which isn’t a hard thing to do now.
well put Anonymous, but some
well put Anonymous, but some people already have a bias against Alex Jones, and when they have any oppurtunity to bash him ,they take it.i saw this coming a mile a way as soon as i saw the thread.
>>>Nico is by far the most
>>>Nico is by far the most destructive person in the movement today - even aside from the 'TV fakery' bullshit.
>>I agree, but I would also add that all he has to do is stop with the shananigans. I dont think hes "paid cointelpro" unlike WingTV.
And yet, WINGTV and Nico are like peas in a pod.
At a certain point, paid or unpaid, it actually doesn't matter if someone is an agent if they are as disruptive as Nico -- they are achieving the same goal that an agent would: discredit groups with nonsense (i.e., team8 and tvfakery), disrupt by inserting attacks (both within the groups and to public to officials at events, etc), waste everyone's time with nonsense, distract with nonsense, and empower Cointelpro like WING TV, among other tasks.
The thing to remember is that the best way an agent can insert themselves is to come with a gift, something that can make them look like they are valuable to everyone. They discover something no one else has, they get some special information sent to them and so are associated with it, etc. This comes for free to the group. That's called building credentials.
In a way, this website is like that . . . lots of stuff for free . . . but there isn't the overt obnoxiousness of WINGTV -- it's the opposite: all are treated equally no matter what nonsense is on their website, they still get a place here to be promoted. And everyone loves it. I think Team8 is listed as a website everyone should go look at, right along with 911truth, etc. All are treated equally, as though tvfakery and nukes are no different from anything else.
Go figure.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles said,"I
Dem Bruce Lee Styles said,"I dread to think the damage it might cause being shown at the DC protest."
I see that the Gatekeeper UNIFORM fits you quite well.
I see that the Gatekeeper
I see that the Gatekeeper UNIFORM fits you quite well.
PerpetualYnquisitive | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 11:27 am | #
says the COINTELPRO.
Chris said, "says the
Chris said, "says the COINTELPRO."
That's rich coming from a 'lurker' that admits that he is.
Pentagon left undefended
Pentagon left undefended during the hit is the ultimate smoking gun to convince anyone who are beginning to face the 911 truth, remember that.
i admitted that? really? so
i admitted that? really? so your not just a moron who believes in cartoons and CGI, but you also slander people with outright LIES? Nico taught you well...........
"lurkers" dont use names and
"lurkers" dont use names and usually dont post comments. get your facts straight douchebag.
When discussing 911 with
When discussing 911 with someone new to the truth, I alway alway start out with the line "don't you find it strange that the pentagon was hit 35 minutes after the second strike in new york?" "Where was the air force?" "we spend 350 billion dollars on defense a year, what happened??" etc. etc. Works everytime. Gets them curious.
And lastly, what about
And lastly, what about legacy? Jon has written about this...why don't these people do it for their children and grandchildren? Why aren't they speaking out for them? Shame on Ellsberg and shame on you for doing a WING TV on Jones, perhaps the one guy you could say has his heart in the right place.
Anonymous | 07.22.06 - 10:48 am | #
Dude, the only thing I'll ever diss Alex Jones for is what I think is crappy music in his videos, and his over sensationalizing, alarmist and sometimes-counterproductive attitude towards certain things. But his good points do outweigh the bad, he is a real warrior.
Aside from that I agree Ellsberg is clearly being a back pedalling bitch, which is much worse then anyone who slightly miss represented his statements. Especially as they gave the full impression that he indeed feels 9/11 was an inside job etc. All this 1% crap he's coming out with is a crappy joke. But at least he's acknowledging that some of the 9/11 research is "very solid" or whatever he said. Because that's more then Chomsky, who's frozen on the issue, much like a Garden Gnome stuck in a stupid pose, like this;
http://xs303.xs.to/xs303/06296/DaGnomeChomsky.jpg
HAHA, great pic DBLS.
HAHA, great pic DBLS.
I disagree that there is
I disagree that there is something wrong with Alex Jones' approach in trying to get people to take a strong, clear stance on 9/11. Far too long have people been able to sit safely on the fence on this issue and then go back to their safe, regular little lives.
You see, on that 9/11 fence of "its possible" or "im not sure" people can retain their public image, their careers, their financial security and safety and never have to risk or sacrifice anything. They can still go into work everyday and not be ostracized and gaslighted and marginalized into nutball land, and their bank accounts, families and reputations are all safe and secure and their livelihood is not jeopardized.
Right now, FINALLY, its become fashionable and hip to say "Hmmm" on the 9/11 issue but still a huge risk to outright point the finger at the NWO. Enough! Enough of it I say. There is no time for it. Wake up and get off that fence and take a stand for something.
Alex, IMHO, is trying to push people off that safe, comfy little fence and thank GAWD because somebody needs to, to challenge and provoke and encourage people to stop fence sitting and pussy-footing around. And cowardly people who don't want to disrupt the status quo don't like it. "I never said that!!!! Please, get this cleared up so I don't have to face any consequences!"
No one wants to be the first, no one wants to put themselves on the line, no one wants to be the nail that sticks out because its the first one to get hammered. Maybe Alex Jones is sick to death of being among the few people with the courage enough to tell things like they are and I can't blame him. I hope he continues to push this issue on every guest he has, and I have see no problem with challenging and even pressuring people to take a stance.
So, in conclusion, if you think the odds of 9/11 being an inside job are 1 in a hundred, then what you are saying is you don't think it was an inside job at all, so why not just say THAT instead of fence-sitting and trying to appear open-minded to something you apparently don't believe in.
I see that the Gatekeeper
I see that the Gatekeeper UNIFORM fits you quite well.
PerpetualYnquisitive | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 11:27 am | #
________________________________________________________________________________
^ LOL, jokes! This is what a gatekeeper looks like;
http://xs303.xs.to/xs303/06296/DaGnomeChomsky.jpg
Would it be fair for me to say a Gucci tinfoil hat would fit you quite well? Not really, because I'm not down with personal attacks like that (unless you want to act like Terrence and Philip, nico and all the other clowns). But I will say all this nuke shit, no planes, all of that even if it's true, is what's called "way too wild" for the average person, including me!
You believe what you like, those are your rights, but try and help everyone in building credibility for 9/11Truth, rather then in pushing ideas that will damage credibility is what IÂ’m saying.
DBLS, 9/11 Eyewitness isn't
DBLS, 9/11 Eyewitness isn't my favorite piece either, but that wasn't my observation or question.
Check out the trailer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3211807290597119388
That blast is huge! I can't figure out why this isn't being discussed.
DBLS, 9/11 Eyewitness isn't
DBLS, 9/11 Eyewitness isn't my favorite piece either, but that wasn't my observation or question.
Check out the trailer:
http://video.google.com/ videopla...807290597119388
That blast is huge! I can't figure out why this isn't being discussed.
cormorant | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 12:12 pm | #
No youÂ’re right man, putting aside everything else that is interesting. But could it just be a very large explosive rather then a "nuke"? It's almost as if the guys saying it's a WMD to make it sound more exotic. The thing is we do have Thermate now,WMD or no WMD regardless. I hope improbable collapse and LC Final Cut will cane it on that, and really blow the whole Thermate discovery wide open. I can't image how the media are going to react once Dr Jones finally publishes those results properly.
HAHA, great pic DBLS. Chris
HAHA, great pic DBLS.
Chris | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 11:59 am | #
LOL thanks man!!
Ellsberg is a flaming puss.
Ellsberg is a flaming puss. The possibility that anyone could listen to that interview and say that Ellsberg implies a chance of 1% that the gov't. carried out 9/11 is about 1 out of a 100 or 1%.
Clearly, the man has strong doubts in the official story, and that's all that infowars.com reported on. These LEFTY gatekeepers make me physically ill. The whole lot are complicit in the cover-up in my opinion.
Yeah thats what I thought.
Yeah thats what I thought. Ellsberg is "backpeddling"...he must be afraid of something.
Look, I agree Ellsbergs tone
Look, I agree Ellsbergs tone in the interview IS WAY different than the article. Why the HELL would someone follow 9/11 activism, like Ellsberg has, if they only thought it was incompetence? BULLSHIT. If it's incompetence to you, you dont follow the 9/11 truth movement. period.
Anyways, I just was a bit agitated that Alex Jones seemed to be hungry for that "Sibel Edmonds says inside job" headline, but ALSO I agree that staying in safeville for career sake is pussyville.
So yeah, I can no longer respect Ellsberg for backpeddling, but I also want to see Alex Jones show some restraint in his interpretation. It's more than ok to say "so in so says coverup of 9/11"...to me thats a great headline. The Bruce Willis article and interviewing that "global hawk witness" was sloppy reporting.
pockybot, what did Alex
pockybot, what did Alex Jones get wrong about Bruce Willis? I missed out on that. I read that Bruce Willis was enlighted to 9/11 conspiracy by the director of A Scanner Darkly. What else happened that made it sloppy reporting?
hell, i could creat and
hell, i could creat and forward an "email" and tell the world i am ellsberg and send it off to all 911 truth sites asking for a retraction of my "comments." this doesn't mean jack to me unless i hear it from his mouth!
Listen guys. I can only
Listen guys. I can only speak for myself, but I have nothing against AJ. All I was saying was that when you are interviewing someone on your show and your trying to make them say something they don't mean...then you post on your website..."so and so says 911 an Inside Job." THEN the interviewee has to come back and say..."no, that's not what I meant." All I'm saying is that makes us as a whole look bad. It hurts our credibility.
Though, I do believe Ellsberg is backpedalling now...for whatever reason. So what...we don't need him to certify what we already know.
Also, when people play both
Also, when people play both sides and sit on the fence...is it bad? I say no, I mean, just getting anyone to admit on air that there are more questions to be answered about 9/11 is an accomplishment in my book.
The thing about Alex Jones
The thing about Alex Jones is that he's been doing his style of "shoddy journalism" for quite a while now. You'd think the people who get spun by him would know that he's a sensationalist and would be clear about what they say and correct him pre-emptively, or perhaps off the air during the commercial breaks. I think that's why most people don't complain even though he quite often does what he does. To be fair to Alex, the [censored] is hitting the fan and people need to step up and play whatever cards they have NOW, cause our hands aren't going to get any better any time soon.
And besides, I read Ellsberg's corrections as mere nitpicking. I was expecting to read a serious complaint but it came across as very minor. (I think Bruce Willis is the one who should be angry, heh.) The important thing is "we need a real investigation" and on that point everyone agrees. But more importantly, that one point almost certainly implies that you at least suspect the government.
What day did Jones interview
What day did Jones interview Ellsberg?
andi, well put about Alex
andi, well put about Alex Jones, he gets an especially bad rap around here. but some people here tend to be perfectionists to some degree.and to pocky, can you show me his headline that says he put words in Sibel Edmonds mouth? this is all i found on his websites:Alex welcomes Ex-FBI Translator and whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds to discuss the huge explosion of prominent people going public with their questions of the official 9/11 story .
whos being shoddy?
Some more reasons to slam
Some more reasons to slam JG:
1. Hes the notorious porn blogger from Stern known as Gold9472
""Hi there... my name is Jon. Some of you may know me as Gold9472 from the Howard Stern Bulletin Board. I have started my own 9/11 Truther site at www.yourbbsucks.com "
http://9-11.meetup.com/cities/us/pa/philadelphia/
WARNING-NOT FOR MINORS-OFFESNIVE MATERIAL
2. He has disgusting friends that miss his thousands of posts on Stern Planet(which he's luckily deleted)
"All Gold9472 posts disapeared. It's like he never existed. Doc and spicabella only had a few dozen posts but Gold had thousands."
http://sternplanet.com/boards/showthread.php?t=3441&highlight=Gold9472
3. He discredits and embarasses the movement when he mixes his private behavior with the 911 message.
http://sternplanet.com/boards/showthread.php?t=11942
______
This is a member of the 911 truth steering committee?
With friends like these, who needs...?
so because Jon Gold posted
so because Jon Gold posted on a Howard Stern message board he should be slammed? porn blogger? what the fuck are you talking about?
you have some kind of
you have some kind of anti-porn bias geo?
Look, we need to look at
Look, we need to look at Ellsberg in context, he was the "Whistleblower" that became the "Pentagon Papers" that became the "Impeachment of Nixon". So we are disappointed and had certain expectations that with something so criminal and sinister as this administration he'd have no difficulty "lifting up the flag for truth".
Some people, as they get older become more timid,others feel they have nothing left to lose.
As for Alex Jones, thats simply his style, take it or leave it.
He will always try to bend issues to his prejudice,which is unfortunate. At this point in his career he could simply by the power of his influence let people speak their truth and let the chips fall where they may.
No problem-except for the
No problem-except for the Misogyny and exploitation part-i.e. Dyncorp.
But I think thousandfs of posts to
your fellow Misogynists on Stern
is obsessive and sick-look at the pages for yourself.
http://sternplanet.com/boards/showthread.php?t=11942
To swim in that sewer, takes a special kind of tunnel rat. And then to mix that with yr 911, well ....
I guess if there was a vote- I would not elect the porn rat mayor of 911 truth.
But I agree with your point-were all sinners, flawed, unknowing ultimately of the truth.--each in our own way.
U.S. to Build Military Base
U.S. to Build Military Base in Honduras
Written by Cyril Mychalejko
Wednesday, 19 July 2006
The AP has reported that the U.S. plans to help Honduras build a military base in the northeast part of the country near the Nicaraguan border to help combat drug trafficking.
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1957702.php
"It's a zone where there is conflict and problems, therefore we need to have greater presence," said Gen. Romeo Vasquez, the head of the joint chiefs of staff of the armed forces who took classes at the School of the Americas.
http://www.derechos.org/soa/ho-sz.html
The base will house aircraft, a fuel supplying system, and U.S. soldiers—if needed.
The U.S. State Department describes
Honduras as being a close Washington ally since the 1980's when that country's government "supported U.S. policy opposing a revolutionary Marxist government in Nicaragua and an active leftist insurgency in El Salvador."
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/1922.htm/t_blank
Coincidentally, Nicaragua has an upcoming election featuring Sandanista candidate Daniel Ortega, one of the men and women who helped bring the "revolutionary Marxist government" to Nicaragua by overthrowing the U.S. backed Somoza dictatorship.
The State Department also notes that Honduras was one of the first countries to sign a bilateral agreement exempting U.S. government and miltary peronnel (past and present) from the International Criminal Court for war crimes and other crimes against humanity.This would protect the U.S. from rulings like the one the World Court made in 1986, charging Washington with "unlawful use of force", or terrorism, for its support of the Contras and other actions carried out covertly and overtly by the the U.S. government, the CIA and the military.
http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en/t_blank
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/365/1/
Wow.. you want 911 truth
Wow.. you want 911 truth but half of your US citizens are like this:
http://trevino.redstate.com/story/2006/7/19/18537/8962
You can be happy with a dictatorship.
911 was necessary to stop the gun-nuts run wild an kill you leftists (while you are actually reactionaries, but the gun-nutters don't know that!)
But what do you do with people who have no regard for the suffering of others? My guess is that remote-control murder is very much in the interest of the US fascists.
where are you from u2r2h? do
where are you from u2r2h? do "they" all paint people with such a broad ignorant brush where you come from? no wonder you like Chomsky so much, simplistic son of a bitch.
http://xs303.xs.to/xs303/06296/DaGnomeChomsky.jpg
Enemy of LIHOP, your
Enemy of LIHOP, your obbsession with pornography(it doesnt matter that you hate it, your obbsessed) borders on insanity.most people are not quite as "christian" as you. calm down.
No problem-except for the
No problem-except for the Misogyny and exploitation part-i.e. Dyncorp.
Enemy of LIHOP | Homepage | 07.22.06 - 7:46 pm | #
so you eqaute adult women having sex with adult men for money on film,legally i might add, with CORPORATE CHILD SEX RINGS? you cant be serious........
"Some more reasons to slam
"Some more reasons to slam JG:
1. Hes the notorious porn blogger from Stern known as Gold9472
""Hi there... my name is Jon. Some of you may know me as Gold9472 from the Howard Stern Bulletin Board. I have started my own 9/11 Truther site at www.yourbbsucks.com "
http://9-11.meetup.com/cities/us...a/philadelphia/
WARNING-NOT FOR MINORS-OFFESNIVE MATERIAL
2. He has disgusting friends that miss his thousands of posts on Stern Planet(which he's luckily deleted)
"All Gold9472 posts disapeared. It's like he never existed. Doc and spicabella only had a few dozen posts but Gold had thousands."
http://sternplanet.com/boards/ sh...hlight=Gold9472
3. He discredits and embarasses the movement when he mixes his private behavior with the 911 message.
http://sternplanet.com/boards/sh...ead.php? t=11942
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This is a member of the 911 truth steering committee?
With friends like these, who needs...?"
I'm sorry... are you insinuating the, "thousands of posts" I posted to www.howardstern.com, and www.sternchat.com were porn related posts?
Sorry, but the "thousands of posts" were 9/11 Truth related.
My posts were deleted by the owner of the board, much like the owner of "Crooks & Liars" does every single day.
Anything else you'd like to lie about?
Oh, and I haven't been on
Oh, and I haven't been on the 911Truth.org Steering Committee for months.
THIS IS AN INFOWAR! If you
THIS IS AN INFOWAR! If you think mainstream media doesnt do the same thing your crazy. Th point is that we all know that 9-11 was an Inside Job, so what is the big deal?