9/11 Truth Advocates Launch Nationwide Congressional Candidate Poll
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http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060723035503797
"Politics 911" Seeks Candidates Responsive to 70+ Million Voters Demanding New 9/11 Investigation
Our second anniversary present to Zelikow's fictional thriller, the 9/11 Commission Report. We cordially invite your participation in this historic political gut check, which we suspect may become the best argument yet for transcending the two party system. - Ed.
Nation's largest 9/11 truth network marks second anniversary of the 9/11 Commission Report with campaign to survey all mainstream and third party congressional candidates re their awareness of the case for US government complicity in 9/11 and the high levels of public support for a full reinvestigation, as well as their personal willingness to back such an inquiry if they are elected in the fall.
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To help with this campaign or just obtain more info on how it works, see the "Politics 911" introductory page at http://911truth.org. All the necessary campaign forums, resources and databases should be up and running by August 1. ###
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I understand that many
I understand that many people are in the movement because of the pentagon anomalies, but, in my opinion, it would currently be beneficial to leave the pentagon as a tertiary talking point for the comment I made earlier.
Looks great, they'll need
Looks great, they'll need all of us to help.
I think it time we find that
I think it time we find that ONE PERSON to steer the movement...they say "Jump" and we say "How high?"
Without simple unity to steer the 42% it will be impossible to move forward if everyone is divided.
This is basic logic.
Gonzo, I tend to agree. But,
Gonzo, I tend to agree. But, could the majority of the 9/11 truth movement rally behind a leader? I'd nominate Kevin Barrett for the position. We really do need a lot more solidarity and representation.
OT, Paul Craig Roberts has
OT, Paul Craig Roberts has been writing a new essay almost every two days since July 15. If you want to learn a lot more about the truth of what's going on in the Middle East, I think these are excellent "crash courses."
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/
Where can I find an MP3 of
Where can I find an MP3 of Alex Jones' show from 7/21/2006?
Anybody?
anyone know if C-Span 9/11
anyone know if C-Span 9/11 coverage is still on for wednesday night at 8?
as far as 1 person leading
as far as 1 person leading the "movement", i think thats dangerous, makes it a lot easier to discredit us if we are one single group led by 1 person.but as far as protests and mass demonstrations go, yeah, there needs to be a coming together of all 9/11 activists.hopefully this Sept.11 will only be the start of it.
unless of course someone who
unless of course someone who was "in on it" or knew about it comes forward, a high level whistleblower. they would become the "leader" by default.(where are you?)
I'm working on a correction
I'm working on a correction for C-SPAN, Chris.
let me guess, it got moved
let me guess, it got moved to C-Span 2?
I still would like to see an
I still would like to see an easy to use action page at 911Truth.org or somewhere, by which emails can be sent with a few clicks. ACLU, environmental groups, Numbers USA all have good ones. And I have received responses from my Reps to these actions. Some of us are challenged by cut & paste.
We need a Dr. Martin Luther
We need a Dr. Martin Luther King of the 9/11 Truth Movement. To me, that has always been Dr. Griffin. I have no problem Dr. Griffin representing my message.
We need a Dr. Martin Luther
We need a Dr. Martin Luther King of the 9/11 Truth Movement. To me, that has always been Dr. Griffin.
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I once told DRG that when
I once told DRG that when history looks back on those who made the most difference, Dr. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and David Ray Griffin will be mentioned in the same breath.
With all due Dr. David Ray
With all due Dr. David Ray Griffin is very eloquent and credible speaker, but his assertion that no plane hit the Pentagon is a huge liability.
The "no plane hit the Pentagon" HOAX has been extremely destructive to the public awareness legitimacy goals of 911 truth.
General States Plane Did not
General States Plane Did not Hit Pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VoUN-7RVU&search=%22alex%20jones%22
destructive? the Pentagon
destructive? the Pentagon has opened more eyes than anything else, despite what your feelings are about it. remember the Pentagon flash video? how many eyes did that open? how long have you been in this movement? to make such an absolutist statement like "the pentagon has hurt the movement" tells me not very long. this isnt holograms we are talking about here, the best the government has done so far is about 6 frames of bullshit.you know about as much as i do,or anyone else when it comes to the Pentagon. you call it a HOAX in no uncertain terms, im agnostic about it because like i said,if they didnt have something to hide we would have gotten one of the 84 videos that the FBI is holding,and not more of the same from that bullshit camera with the date thats off.
the 2 things that get bashed
the 2 things that get bashed most within the 9/11 truth movement most-Loose Change 2 and the Pentagon speculation(im not even counting CGI),have done more to cause the average american to question the events of 9/11 than ANYTHING else. this is a fact that can probably be backed up by numbers.hate Loose Change all you want, hate the fact that many of us discuss the Pentagon all you want, but recognize how many eyes both of these things have opened.
the Pentagon HOAX,as you put
the Pentagon HOAX,as you put it,has probably been our biggest recruiter as a movement.
Many within the 911 movement
Many within the 911 movement have lost their objectivity, and view exposing the 911 truth issue only with the eyes from the SUBCULTURE of the 911 truth movement.
The GENERAL PUBLIC sees the no plane hit the Pentagon as evidence of wacky conspiracy theorists. There is absolutely no consideration or awareness for the number of thinking americans who have closed their ears to the other legitimate anomolies.
Does anybody have good
Does anybody have good debunkings of the Pop Mech bullshit, other than these?
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html
the general public sees us
the general public sees us ALL as wacko conspiracy theorists, but some of the Pentagon questions are enough to wake up the GENERAL PUBLIC that otherwise wouldnt think twice about inside job.Pentagon flash. how do you explain the insane popularity of that ranshay? how about Loose Change 2 being #1 on Google? wouldnt Everybodys Gotta Learn Sometime be #1 on Google by your logic? if its controlled demolition and Pentagon stuff that turns people off to us as a movement? logically speaking, ignoring the Pentagon is a HUGE mistake in my opinion. EGLS hasnt blown up like LC2, despite having a lot of great info in it, because he ignore controlled demolition and the Pentagon,and only focused on "legitamite anomolies".why not focus on ALL OF IT? by ignoring the Pentagon, you are potentially losing a shitload of people that just wont listen to all of the deep connections between business/government/Bush/Bin Laden/CIA/etc.but show those same people the pictures of the Pentagon and WTC7 falling and they will want to look closer.
"With all due Dr. David Ray
"With all due Dr. David Ray Griffin is very eloquent and credible speaker, but his assertion that no plane hit the Pentagon is a huge liability.
The "no plane hit the Pentagon" HOAX has been extremely destructive to the public awareness legitimacy goals of 911 truth."
Dr. Griffin is on the fence I believe regarding "what" hit the Pentagon. I think his message has moved away from that aspect of the Pentagon. Ask GW.
its very easy for people to
its very easy for people to say "i dont trust your sources, you just hate Bush, you got that off of the internet,why should i beleive that, blah blah blah". you know,and i know this happens somewhat frequently. show them a clip of the towers, spefcifically WTC7 falling and show them the 16 foot hole in the C-Ring and they cant really say anything.this is why only showing them what you deem the "legitimate anomolies" is a huge mistake. your potentially ignoring half the market.
As far as a representative
As far as a representative goes, we'll be better off with several solid people. I was totally embarassed to watch Dr Steven Jones on Tucker Carlson's show. A rep is strong if he can express 2 anomalies in 20 seconds. That may be all the time he gets.
For myself, the Pentagon issues were the first things that got me questioning any official version. No engines, no bodies, no luggage. Planes do not vaporize - at least not before 9/11.
Most importantly, I feel, is to avoid casting blame. We will continue to reach more people if we remain objective. Point at the administration and all the Repubs turn away. Point at the Mossad and you're called anit-semitic. Point to the CIA or the NWO and they call you a nut.
Just ask questions. Be the skeptic. Treat this scientifically, not politically or religously. Take no sides.
Let's just find the major issues of the Pentagon and the WTC (and even Shanksville). Don't stretch the argument thin by trying to overwhelm your audience. Keep it simple - just like the American Media:
Why did the towers fall at the speed of gravity? And straight down when the fires were only on one side?
We need a Dr. Martin Luther
We need a Dr. Martin Luther King of the 9/11 Truth Movement. To me, that has always been Dr. Griffin. I have no problem Dr. Griffin representing my message.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.24.06 - 11:57 am | #
i agree 100%!!!! drg has been my main man for a few years now...
he is spotless... no one can touch him...
the general public sees us
the general public sees us ALL as wacko conspiracy theorists, but some of the Pentagon questions are enough to wake up the GENERAL PUBLIC that otherwise wouldnt think twice about inside job.Pentagon flash. how do you explain the insane popularity of that ranshay? how about Loose Change 2 being #1 on Google? wouldnt Everybodys Gotta Learn Sometime be #1 on Google by your logic? if its controlled demolition and Pentagon stuff that turns people off to us as a movement? logically speaking, ignoring the Pentagon is a HUGE mistake in my opinion. EGLS hasnt blown up like LC2, despite having a lot of great info in it, because he ignore controlled demolition and the Pentagon,and only focused on "legitamite anomolies".why not focus on ALL OF IT? by ignoring the Pentagon, you are potentially losing a shitload of people that just wont listen to all of the deep connections between business/government/Bush/Bin Laden/CIA/etc.but show those same people the pictures of the Pentagon and WTC7 falling and they will want to look closer.
Chris | Homepage | 07.24.06 - 12:43 pm | #
chris, are you sure youre only 24??? HAHAH!!! drg and chris can speak for me....
keep up the good work bud... your posts are great...
the 2 things that get bashed
the 2 things that get bashed most within the 9/11 truth movement most-Loose Change 2 and the Pentagon speculation(im not even counting CGI),have done more to cause the average american to question the events of 9/11 than ANYTHING else. this is a fact that can probably be backed up by numbers.hate Loose Change all you want, hate the fact that many of us discuss the Pentagon all you want, but recognize how many eyes both of these things have opened.
Chris | Homepage | 07.24.06 - 12:24 pm | #
you read my mind... HAHAHAHAH!!!!
nope, im 23.thanks though.
nope, im 23.thanks though.
its really about marketing
its really about marketing if you think about it.if you leave out a significant portion of the evidence, which is controlled demolition and the Pentagon questions, you potentially lose many "converts" for lack of a better term.the ISI/CIA/put options stuff is enough for some people to see it was inside job, but some people need the shock of seeing WTC7 fall and then hearing the bullshit excuses, or they need the Pentagon anomolies to get them to call bullshit.present ALL evidence, not just what you personally think is "safe" enough to present. EGLS was a great film, but it suffered big time by playing it too "safe".
Let us not forget that 9/11
Let us not forget that 9/11 was a way to get political support for the policies of PNAC. Most people don't know this...especially CAMPAIGN WORKERS...I just spent 2 days with many campaigners for a high ranking official, and they are IGNORANT...like most of America...we must educate not only CANDIDATES...but their staff also. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, and is the only way we can prevent PNAC'S plans...remebmer 9/11 was simply the START of the 'New Century'
The ISI alone is the smoking
The ISI alone is the smoking gun of US complicity. That is my personal "WTC7" moment when I researched that not only does ISI control al Qaeda, but the US funded the hijackers through the ISI...and then leaned on Saudi consalates to allow the hijackers have special visas.
Now there's some democrat and Bush supporters who say "the commission did a thorough job, no way everyone involved would try and cover something up", but I have a lot of quotes by commission members who now say alternate theories may be possible, and they werent given enough time or material to explore much stuff...and the scope was limited.
pocky, sadly, if the MSM
pocky, sadly, if the MSM doesnt report on something, to some people, it just didnt happen. you can shove all the facts in their faces that you want, if its not on CNN or in TIme magazine, it just didnt happen as far as their concerned.
"We need a Dr. Martin Luther
"We need a Dr. Martin Luther King of the 9/11 Truth Movement. To me, that has always been Dr. Griffin. I have no problem Dr. Griffin representing my message."
My thoughts exactly...
He's written three books. His personal, spiritual, factual and philosophical appeal likely will draw the largest following.
I like Barrett. I like others.
But Griffin will be received more readily on Main Street America than any other three combined.
I gotta disagree with you
I gotta disagree with you Chris on the Pentagon issue. There is enough information regarding the collapse of the twin towers, WTC7, insider trading, etc. to get everyone's attention. It is obvious to me that something very fishy is going on surrounding the Pentagon event. However, once one has been enlightened to the extent that they are actually WILLING to watch the 9/11 videos, it is hardly necessary to hold their attention with a single, ambiguous speculation. Lack of crash wreckage, withheld security tapes, and witness testimony are the main bits of information, but they seem to contradict each other. It's the same principal as trying to prove evolution to a die hard creationist by cross-referencing three seperate scientific disciplines that do NOT retroactively predict the same outcome. Rather, we should stick to evidence/video/eyewitness testimony that corroborate each other. Thus, antagonistic responses are less likely to carry any weight.
im not saying you should
im not saying you should ONLY talk about the Pentagon when trying to convey to someone that 9/11 was an inside job. my point was that, despite all the other evidence, sometimes its only the physical stuff that gets people to look closer. that includes the Pentagon. that explains the success of the Pentagon Flash video.ignoring the Pentagon is irresponsible in my opinion.
i'll go back to what i said
i'll go back to what i said before, by ignoring the Pentagon, you are potentially losing large numbers of people that would have looked closer at 9/11 if they saw the anomolies in regards to the Pentagon.you can throw all the ISI/CIA/Carylye/put options stuff in some peoples faces, and some just wont believe you.show them the pictures of WTC7 and the Pentagon and some of those same people will feel the need to look closer.im summation, my point is, dont ignore the Pentagon,regardless of how sure you are that Flight 77 hit it, because many people are in the movement today BECAUSE of the Pentagon.