Massive Weekend Grab Bag and Open Thread

With all that is going on I decided to throw all of these submissions into a grab bag. As you can see we need some translations, let us know if you can help. Don't forget that the CSPAN L.A. panel coverage is rerunning Tuesday at 6PM EST. Also, I added new links to submit articles to digg,, and other social networking sites, please test it out with this thread and see if they work properly. On a personal note, I need the hookup on a place to stay in NYC 9/8-9/12, if you can help out please let me know.

New site launches:

Thanks adam

Visibility 9-11 - July, 30 2006

Visibility 9-11 welcome's David Slesinger to the program to talk about his upcoming action campaign of non-violent civil disobedience. The first action, Escalate Now! by Davids newly formed group, will be to leaflet the opening of the new Oliver Stone film World Trade Center in an attempt to stage non-violent civil disobedience actions in 24 states on August 9, 2006. This is an ongoing action campaign which will continue at other films and opportunities until the truth about the September 11th attacks is known.

Thanks Jon

These are from Hancock, WI.
Thanks Chris


Thanks Seraph

Techniekstudenten onderzoeken 9/11 -

This summer, eight students at Delft University of Technology (TU Delft) will investigate whether on 11 September 2001 the US itself has blown up the World Trade Center. They will try and establish that the official explanation for the events is untenable. This is reported by the TU Delft website.

Thanks to VAB for the translation, here is a little more info he provided:

this team of students at Delft University (one of the world's leading universities of technology) will conduct its research throughout this summer, or at least for 3 full weeks, under the supervision of university teachers and professors. The team's findings will be presented in September.

Thanks road66

How did 9/11 affect you? -

It has been nearly five years since 9/11 became shorthand for terrorism. How did the events of Sept. 11, 2001, change your life?

Tell us about it in an e-mail or letter. We would like to use some of the most interesting submissions as part of our coverage of the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

Send an e-mail to, or a letter to Alexa Capeloto, The San Diego Union-Tribune, P.O. Box 120191, San Diego, CA 92112. Please include your full name and a phone number where you can be reached.

Thanks fhb

World Trade Center Building 7 and Financial Markets -

World trade center building 7 was the original headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert. Drexel Burnham Lambert contributed to the $500-billion taxpayer-underwritten Savings and Loans bailout. Before the explosion on 9/11 the SEC, IRS, and the Secret Service were housed in building 7.
The first reason the building was destroyed is to destroy evidence. Evidence relating to 9/11 and illegal trading including the put options placed before 9/11 had to be destroyed.

The second reason building 7 was destroyed Is the building next to it at 140 west street was the hub and switch for voice and data communication for all of lower Manhattan. A clear reason for shutting down the NYSE was needed because without shutting down the markets the sell pressure would have destroyed investor’s faith in the market for years. Without question NASDAQ, Archipelago and Instinet, as well as the futures and options markets in Chicago were ready to function throughout the disaster.

9/11 was an inside job without question. The net must be cast wide and ensnare all perpetrators of this mass murder as America wakes up the truth behind 9/11.

Thanks fhb

I never complained, or sued, nor will I, but in case I die... -

They were among the 40,000 who stepped forward for New York and America after 9/11, and they speak here of the price they paid for serving. Their stories are not unusual. No, they are typical among the more than 12,000 men and women who were sickened by breathing the toxic cloud that shrouded Ground Zero. They tell of damaged lungs and psyches, of fears of worse to come and of beliefs that the cloud has brought on cancers and may bring death.

They feel betrayed by a government that said the air was safe and cast aside by officials who failed to address the sweeping nature of the resulting epidemic. Above all, these personal accounts stand as an indictment of a neglectful city and country, which must now right the terrible wrong of forgetting those who did the extraordinary at great personal cost.

Thanks fhb

Internetfilm über 9/11 bricht alle Rekorde - Der Spiegel
Ein Internetfilm über 9/11 bricht alle Rekorde - Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Ein erstaunliches Stück Propaganda -
Translations -

Should it be possible, that the government lied and the hole itself really was the result of a self inflicted attack with a missile? Unbelievable.

There were many unfounded conspiracy theories about the involvement of the Bush government in 9/11, but also many unanswered questions - but until now very few were presented in such an insistent way.

The video appears a time, when there is a growing demand in the US for a further investigation into the events of 9/11. Only on Google more than 10 million watched the video. The website gets more than 20000 hit per day and even "Vanity Fair" praised the homemade video in a long article.

Thanks Frozen Metaphors and Heiner

Re-Defeat McKinney - (and CBS)

The congresswoman's erratic behavior and nutty conspiracy theories have landed her in a hotly contested runoff.
Until 9/11, that is. While the majority of Americans, including the leadership of her own party, rallied around the president for at least a short time, McKinney chose to attack him. Suggesting complicity in the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, McKinney said on a California radio station that "We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11 . . . What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?" McKinney then got to what, in her mind, was the heart of the matter, stating that "corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th."
[..] This strategy even worked for a short while after her return to Congress, though she never abandoned her conspiracy-theory roots; in September 2005 she hosted a panel in which participants suggested, among other things, that a controlled demolition brought down the World Trade Center, former senator Paul Wellstone was murdered for his outspoken opposition to the Iraq War, and the FBI was responsible for the Anthrax attacks shortly after September 11th.

Thanks SS

'Secret' 9/11 lies? - 2002 exec order let EPA bury info on air hazards -

With New Yorkers already fuming about reports that the feds downplayed the danger of Ground Zero dust, the White House gave EPA chief Christie Whitman the power to bury embarrassing documents by classifying them "secret."

"I hereby designate the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency to classify information originally as 'Secret,'" states the executive order, which was signed by President Bush on May 6, 2002.

Although the stated reason for Bush's directive is to keep "national security information" from falling into enemy hands, advocates for thousands of ailing Ground Zero heroes are convinced there's a more sinister motive.

"I think the rationale behind this was to not let people know what they were potentially exposed to," said Joel Kupferman of the New York Environmental Law and Justice Project. "They're using the secrecy thing to cover up their malfeasance and past deceptions."

Jon Gold: Nass can't avoid what people want -

Dear Editor: I noticed in Rep. Nass' cowardly way of backing down to Kevin Barrett's debate challenge, that he took it upon himself to quote some of the Founding Fathers.

Here's something you may recognize:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness), it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

In other words Rep. Nass, half of your constituency wants you to debate Barrett. If you don't, I don't think the people would have any problem showing you the door.

"A true patriot loves their country all of the time, and their Government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

Thanks Jon

Recently released photos reveal wings of aircraft that hit Pentagon -

And now a third theory surfaces and appears supported by the photographic record: Pictured is a crane at the Pentagon cleanup site hoisting up for all to see two wing sections that reportedly match specification of a small airplane, the A3 Skywarrior. One thing is for certain, these are among the only large pieces of airplane wreckage found at the scene and none of them have been identified as parts of a Boeing 757.

Update, here's the supposed picture of wings taken by Ron Edmonds of the Associated Press on Sept. 14 (doesn't look like wings to me):

Thanks Jon

Alberto Gonzales Questioned on CSPAN regarding UBL's FBI Most Wanted Listing - Video Download
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Open thread, have at it!

Nice freeway blog!

Nice freeway blog!

Michael Wolsey Interviews

How come Bush a few months

How come Bush a few months after 9/11,in what I believe was a speech at the U.N.,felt it was necessary to make the statement "let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories about september 11th"?Isn't that a smoking gun in itself?Going on the defensive about something that wasn't really being disputed by many people initially.What's that they say?,A good offense,is a good defense.



9/11 IS an inside job by the US
simply because:

covert US funding ---> Pakistani ISI
---> "al Qaeda" operatives.

ISI is the proxy to fund 9/11 without al Qaeda never knowing.

WHY isn't this discussed? Randy Glass, Able Danger, ISI, Saudi Visa Express, WF-199I, etc...THESE are the smoking guns.

Anyways, cannot wait for Richard Grove's blowing the whistle, 9/11 press for truth and loose change final cut.

pocky, Jon Gold is very well

pocky, Jon Gold is very well versed in all that^, but he needs to discuss it more, IMO. Jon?

"How come Bush a few months

"How come Bush a few months after 9/11,in what I believe was a speech at the U.N.,felt it was necessary to make the statement "let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories about september 11th"? Isn't that a smoking gun in itself? Going on the defensive about something that wasn't really being disputed by many people initially.What's that they say?, A good offense,is a good defense."


What would you like me to

What would you like me to say? There's evidence of Pakistani ISI involvement. We know that the ISI is an arm of the CIA. We know the CIA is controlled in part by the Executive Branch. We know there are allegations of bribery between Pakistan and the 9/11 Commissioners through a lobbying group. We know Bill Doyle said a source told him that the 28 redacted pages in the Joint Congressional Inquiry talked about U.S. funding to Pakistan. We know there is a damn good chance that Daniel Pearl was investigating the $100,000 wire transfer from Omar Sheikh to Mohammad Atta, ordered by the Pakistani ISI head Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad. We know that Omar Sheikh is the prime suspect in the murder of Daniel Pearl. We know that Porter Goss, Bob Graham, and John Kyl all were meeting with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad on the morning of September 11th, in Washington D.C., and in Pakistan the weeks before. We know that Pakistan is one of our BESTUS buddies in the "War On Terror". What would you like me to say?

We know that India and other

We know that India and other parts of the world are calling for some form of supervision of the Pakistani ISI because it is so corrupt.

Jon, just bring it up &

Jon, just bring it up & discuss it from time to time. This evidence needs more light to be shed upon it.

We know we're in the process

We know we're in the process of selling F-16s to Pakistan. We know that Pakistan is a legitimate source of "terrorism", and yet, we allow it. That speaks volumes.

Incidentally, I have asked

Incidentally, I have asked Larisa Alexandrova of Rawstory to write something about the unanswered questions related to 9/11 and Pakistan. Hopefully she will. She does care about 9/11 Truth.

I decided to do a little

I decided to do a little homework today regarding contacting major newspapers, talk show hosts, television networks and some radio stations.

I've written emails to all of them mentioning this weekends' C-SPAN broadcast of the American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 + the Neo-Con Agenda and demanding a new 9/11 Special Prosecutor be appointed to re-open the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I hope some of you will also do the same thing.

Here's a list of email addresses that I found. Just copy and paste.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; executive-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

Whats up with these new

Whats up with these new pentagon pictures? Has anyone seen them or know of any links? This could be huge!!

Jon, Excellent letter to the


Excellent letter to the editor. Nass will eventually be shown that door I believe. He should be careful it doesn't hit him in the Nass on the way out.



That Ganzolas clip is

That Ganzolas clip is amazing. Arrgggghhhhh!! Makes you mad.

Wow, great freeway blog. And

Wow, great freeway blog. And great letter to the editor, Jon. I noticed the Capitol Times has posted quite a few letters concerning Barrett and Nass, all of which have been pretty positive. I especially like Matt Zebell's.

Nice video. What's the

Nice video. What's the Massive Attack song?

The freeway signs look good,

The freeway signs look good, but it might work better if they were a little bigger. All in all, a good idea since you *probably* won't get arrested and beaten for putting those up on a public bridge.

Then again you might. I guess it depends on what the real America is. I would like to think that the majority of us are peaceful and not violent fascists. I hope there's still time to come back from the brink of whatever hell Bush is bringing us into.

Off topic. I just listened

Off topic. I just listened to a speech that JFK gave in 1961 that I thought others would find interesting considering the state of the union today. Here is a quote from the speech. Links to the audio and the transcript are provided below if you want to listen and read along.

"...The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know...."

Audio: (starts about 5 minutes in)


Has anyone else seen the

Has anyone else seen the Wikipedia entry for Loose Change?


Hey everybody.... it was

Hey everybody.... it was fun!

Sorry about that anon fly I seem to have attracted.... I must've stepped in shit somewhere along the way.

A couple of you have my email.... fell free to us it if something exciting comes up.

I've got a long week ahead of me on the shop. Going to bed.

ya man, i love that JFK

ya man, i love that JFK speech... it'd be sweet if he was the president.

Truth... Yaw. It really


Yaw. It really makes me sad when I hear a speech like this by a true leader and American and yet have to deal with the current reality of our current "President".

BTW... great site. Good work and good luck with it.

Nice video. What's the

Nice video. What's the Massive Attack song?
ben | 07.30.06 - 11:24 pm

Yeah, what is it?

I could use some help over

I could use some help over at Daily Kos in the thread "Sibel Edmonds: Grossman got 911 suspects released from jail". Fucking Mia Dolan.

Albert Gonzalez is such a

Albert Gonzalez is such a spin artist who can never give a simple yes or no answer,which is why Bush still has him as AG. And now he has appointed another of the "Hey Lets Nuke Iran" crackpot John Bolton as ambassador to the U.N.
These people are so aggravating,along with the arrogance,they don't relate to the middle class. Instead they talk to the top 1% in as far as the bills that get put into effect,or debated in Congress,like there is no middle class.
I still can't get over the missing 2.6 trillion dollars,and how these people regard it as "nothing...really".
Perhaps even more truth to this is who benefitted from 9/11?Paul Wolfowitz was appointed to head the world those associated with large lending institutions and their connections with U. S. foreign policy is determined by the money lenders.
This is most notable by the Federal Reserve,ties to the Council on foreign Relations,Trilateral Conference.
The following site:

has all the information on the biggest influence on how the agenda's are made in the world. Here is an excerpt from this site,secrets of the Federal Reserve;

In its major principles of operation the Federal Reserve System is no different from other banks of issue, such as the Bank of England, the Bank of France, or the Reichsbank."
All of these central banks have the power of issuing currency in their respective countries. Thus, the people do not own their own money in Europe, nor do they own it here. It is privately printed for private profit. The people have no sovereignty over their money, and it has developed that they have no sovereignty over other major political issues such as foreign policy.
As a central bank of issue, the Federal Reserve System has behind it all the enormous wealth of the American people. When it began operations in 1913, it created a serious threat to the central banks of the impoverished countries of Europe. Because it represented this great wealth, it attracted far more gold than was desirable in the 1920s, and it was apparent that soon all of the worldÂ’s gold would be piled up in this country. This would make the gold standard a joke in Europe, because they would have no gold over there to back their issue of money and credit. It was the Federal ReserveÂ’s avowed aim in 1927, after the secret meeting with the heads of the foreign central banks, to get large quantities of that gold sent back to Europe, and its methods of doing so, the low interest rate and heavy purchases of Government securities, which created vast sums of new money, intensified the stock market speculation and made the stock market crash and resultant depression a national disaster.

Since the Federal Reserve System was guilty of causing this disaster, we might suppose that they would have tried to alleviate it. However, through the dark years of 1931 and 1932, the Governors of the Federal Reserve Board saw the plight of the American people worsening and did nothing to help them. This was more criminal than the original plotting of the Depression. Anyone who lived through those years in this country remembers the widespread unemployment, the misery, and the hunger of our people. At any time during those years the Federal Reserve Board could have acted to relieve this situation.
Which means they could dictate that they want to have greater control of the supply of oil.they have an obligatory President looking out for these special interests,and therefore the premise;Project For A New American Century is born,the false flag operation is launched,the world is in a flux,and enormous profits are being made.
I hope that once a true 9/11 independent investigation is launched,it will not stop with these treasonous villians in the government,but also the profiteers also.That is just the beginning of justice.

coming to a BBS near

coming to a BBS near you,
Israel Backed By Army Of Cyber-Soldiers

Mike, Aaron Russo's movie


Aaron Russo's movie America: Freedom to Fascism talks a lot about how the Federal Reserve is basically screwing the American government and the people. Quite sickening. And our government has the power and could actually shut down the Federal Reserve so we wouldn't have to pay them billions of dollars in interest every year.

Hey, JeremyA, I checked out

Hey, JeremyA,

I checked out the Sibel Edmonds diary at Kos. It's actually unusual for Mia Dolan to show up by herself -- did the other screeching primates get the weekend off? Over time I've analyzed her discursive strategy: call people assholes, call them holocaust deniers, just flat out assert their facts are meaningless -- or to put it another way, her rhetoric is like unto the flinging of poop by enraged monkeys at the zoo. I think the only reasonable thing to do with her is IGNORE HER COMPLETELY. She cannot be argued with -- it's just pointless and encourages her to hurl more shit.

I also think part of her strategy may be to piss people off so completely that they say something that gets them banned. Kos allows an unbelievable amount of incivility when directed at people who address 9/11, but I have the feeling that comparable rudeness in return would not be tolerated.

Mia Dolan = turd tossing primate.

Never feed the trolls.

Never feed the trolls.

Here's how babelfish - at

Here's how babelfish - at - translates the dutch article:

technique students examine 9/11 spent on Sunday 30 July 2006 for 22:23:57, updated for 22:31:14 prints in printvriendelijk format e-mail this reported to a friend (Novum) - eight students of the technical university (TU) dig researches this summer or the United States on 11 September 2001 have blown up the World Trade Centre themselves. They try show that the official declaration of the events is intolerable. That communicates the Internet site of the TU. technique students examine 9/11 Theories which fight that Al-Qaida-terroristen tested-fly the bldg., are many. Of the American population 42 per cent would believe that the outcomes of the official research have stifled. The academic debate about this móét are conducted, it touches our all. I a number of has spoken experts and the opinions have been really divided, put Coen Vermeeren, put head of the Delftse Studium general ones and docent at air - and space travel technique previous month in a booklet of the university twente. "in 2002, to the fact already students came to me who had read on Internet that question signs are put at the official reading." "and it proves to be that indeed a lot of significant questions are asked, but that then of official side no satisfactory answers come", says Vermeeren. Much of the proof material - between quotations mark - what you do not see, are on distance verifiable. There is for example no film material of the plane the moment it bores himself in Pentagon. We will look at therefore to matter which as from here if to prove be to take the edge off, like fall speed for example that. There a simulation is make. That is things which we can show. Vermeeren will examine the question with technique students who everywhere a plot behind not to see. That is dangerously and I want that not. Common sense must triumph. The students get a onkostenvergoeding of three hundred euro per week. The results of the research are presented in September.



Hey, people, please welcome

Hey, people, please welcome a new 9/11 Truther:

If you haven't already heard of "Swim," please visit her new blog, Deep Confusion, and give her a lot of encouragement. Not only is she from San Antonio, Texas, the heart of the Bush mafia country, her husband is also serving in Iraq right now (which, understandably, has her very worried most days). I first heard her when she called in to the Mike Malloy show on Air America radio two or three weeks ago.

In the entry to which I have linked above, she has embedded three 9/11 documentaries: 1.) Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime, 2.) Barry Zwicker's "The Great Conspiracy, and 3.) Loose Change (2nd Edition).

She also covers a number of other incredibly important topics in her blog, such as the rape of Lebanon by Israel, stolen elections, etc.

Cynthia Mckinney needs to be

Cynthia Mckinney needs to be defended on right now.

i not sure this has been

i not sure this has been posted before but here is what 16 buildings vs 1500lbs of explosives looks like:

Here is another victory to

Here is another victory to saviour!


All nations need myths to understand crises that shock,
the wars and riots, assassinations and natural disasters
that wrench history, writes Newsweek.
The story of workaday men and women rising to greatness
is one of America's most cherished myths.
As a term, myth is much misunderstood; hearing it,
many people take the word to mean "lie,"
when in fact a myth is a story, a narrative, BLAH BLAH BLAH
Myths are a peculiar hybrid of truth and falsehood,
resentments and ambitions, dreams and dread.

Another, less admirable myth that Americans concoct to explain
crises and disasters is rooted in the paranoid streak that
runs through pop culture, the conspiracy theories that blame some
sinister (and usually make-believe) Other for whatever went wrong.
One might expect Hollywood's Oliver Stone to drum up a
conspiracy theory to explain 9/11. He is, after all, known as
the director of a movie, "JFK," that essentially accused Lyndon Johnson,
the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff of killing President Kennedy.
That Stone did not go to the dark side to explain the attacks of September 11
tells us something about the American sensibility towards that day.
True, Stone was under pressure from the studio not to make the story political
or conspiratorial. It is also true, though, that public-opinion surveys
show that many Americans (42 percent in a recent Zogby poll) believe the
government must be covering up something about 9/11, and many blame Bush for
using the attacks to justify invading Iraq.

Nonetheless, 9/11 has become a kind of sacred day in American life.
Stone's movie will stand as a civic elegy, a statement that the events of 9/11,
and the memories of the nearly 3,000 people who died that day,
should not be degraded or sullied by politics or the fevered imaginings of people
who see tragedy and assume scheming and betrayal.

(Read entire cover story at )

Thus, the people do not own

Thus, the people do not own their own money in Europe

this is INCORRECT.

The European Reserve Banks ARE NOT PRIVATE, there is a PART of the money creation that is FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.

For example most banks in germany are PEOPLE OWNED.

However... in the EU, like ANYWHERE ELSE (but more so in Anglo-America)


GE-Money is huge, but so is DEUTSCHE BANK Sumitomo HBSC and so on.

You shouldn't post such crude misinformation into this forum. There are many impressionable young people here. >> English texts... >> search >> LIETAER

google LIETAER (read his interviews!)


Technical students examine 9/11

(Novum) - Eight students of the technical university (TU) Delft examine this summer if the United States blew up the World Trade Centre themselves on September 11 2001. They try to show that the official version of the events can no longer remain standing. This says the website of the TU.

Theories which contradict that Al-Qaida-terrorists flew into the buildings., are many. Of the American population, 42% are said to believe that the outcome of the official research has been covered up. The academic debate about this has to be conducted, it touches us all. I have spoken to a number of experts and the opinions are really divided, says Coen Vermeeren, head of the Delftse Studium generale and teacher at air and space travel technique last month in a magazine of the university Twente. "In 2002, students already came to me who had read on internet that question marks are raised at the official version."

"And it so happens to be that indeed a lot of valid questions are asked on which no satisfactory answers come from the official side ", says Vermeeren. "Much of the proof material - between quotation marks - what you see, is not verifiable on distance. There is for example no film material of the plane the moment it digs itself in the Pentagon. We will therefore look at things which can be proven or disproven from here, like that fall speed for example. A simulation can be made of that. Those are things we can show."

Vermeeren will examine the issue with technical students who don't see a conspiracy behind everything. "That is dangerous and i don't want that. Common sense must triumph." The students get a payment of three hundred euro per week. The results of the research are presented in September.

Whenever someone calls you

Whenever someone calls you or the 9/11 activist movement conspiracy theorists, ask them if they consider the White Rose Society "conspiracy theorists".



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Great work going on here.

Great work going on here. Just wanted to say that to all of you. Well.... some posts are more interesting than others.... but still, great work!


Call Cspan now - lot of 9/11

Call Cspan now - lot of 9/11 = arab did it nutter over there..

NY9/11 Truth approves 9/11TVFakery event for 08/13 (07/29)
Breaking: NY9/11 Truth approves 9/11TVFakery event for 08/13 (07/29)

Monday, July 30th 2006
by Nico Haupt aka ewing2001
(co-founder ny911truth 2003-04)

After 6-8 weeks of intense negotiations behind the scenes and partly online, both Frank Moralez (St. Mark's Church) and Les Jamieson (, supported by a committee from ny911truth members and associates, today approved an event of at the weekly Sunday events at St.Mark's Church, NYC.

The event is on Sunday August 13th, 2006 and presented by Nico Haupt from It is planned to show footage and present additional evidence as to why and how the footage was faked and doesn't include any real plane.

911tvfakery.blogspot also invited any 1-2 members of ny911truth to present their own points against the findings, after the presentation.
It also was suggested to invite Prof. Steven E.Jones who described these findings once as "junk science".

The presentation will also include a live phone call with an additional 9/11 Video Researcher and possibly another phone guest to comment further on the forensic analysis.

Also, just up:
Petition to Scholars for 9/11 Truth to release a scientific paper at to inform the public on the findings of "9/11TVfakery"/"no planes-forensic evidence" at"

Check out also 9/11TV Fakery at Colbert Nation

And our government has the

And our government has the power and could actually shut down the Federal Reserve so we wouldn't have to pay them billions of dollars in interest every year.
Kurt | 07.31.06 - 12:40 am | #
do they really though? i feel that this is one of the main reasons Kennedy was killed. he wanted to destroy the CIA and the Federal Reserve.

if that rightwing

if that rightwing rag(Kristol runs it, along with PNAC) The Weekly Standard doesnt like you,you know your doing all the right things.Cynthia McKinney is a hero.

Pls. stop the small talk and

Pls. stop the small talk and call to media while the c-span link exists..

isnt it funny how most

isnt it funny how most morons think that CBS is the most "liberal" network? has the entire Mckinney slandering Weekly Standard article on its website. liberal media? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. funny. CBS and Les Moonves can rot in hell.............

Chris, Everytime I hear the


Everytime I hear the term "liberal media" as it pertains to the MSM, I just chuckle. What a joke. Who runs the MSM again? Oy.

its staggering how effective

its staggering how effective the myth of "the liberal media" is though. most americans truly believe the mainstream media is liberal because the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity like to play the victim and scream "LIBERAL MEDIA!" every chance they get. who owns the media is right. it aint a bunch of bleeding heart liberals, thats for damn sure.if the media was indeed liberal,we wouldnt have needed the left wing blogs to force them to cover the downing street memo. thats just 1 example.

wheres that left wing

wheres that left wing version of Fox News again? oh, it doesnt exist? whats really sad is, when i say that to the typical conservative, their reply is usually, "all the other networks are "liberal",thats why Fox News is so far to the right." as if Fox News is really that different than the rest of the mainstream news. Fox may be more shameless than CNN and the rest, they may be more blatant, but the entire MSM is playing off of the same script, they all know what NOT to cover.the mainstream media is conservative/ room for real liberal views there.hence Olbermann being the only "liberal" on cable news, and they force him to devote half his show to celebs for christ sake.hence Donahue getting his show cancelled from MSNBC,despite being the networks highest rated show, because Donahue himself was anti-war at a time when most of the country was slavishly waving its flags and asking no questions.

From Newsweek thanks to

From Newsweek thanks to u2r2h:

"It is also true, though, that public-opinion surveys show that many Americans (42 percent in a recent Zogby poll) believe the government must be covering up something about 9/11, and many blame Bush for using the attacks to justify invading Iraq."

More people believe that 9/11 was a coverup than the number of lunatics that still support Bush. This is indeed good news!!!

wow. im surprised/impressed

wow. im surprised/impressed Newsweek would print that.

Professor of Propaganda The

Professor of Propaganda
The Lies of Alan Dershowitz

In a characteristic op-ed, titled "Arithmetic of Pain", that would surprise neither his supporters nor his critics, published by the Wall Street Journal on 19 July 2006, Alan Dershowitz sinks to new lows of depravity and inhumanity in his long-standing hate-mongering and truth-twisting anti-Arab, pro-Israel crusade.

One need not go beyond the first paragraph to be hit by a dose of Dershowitz's typically one-sided, see-no-evil/hear-no-evil attitude when he tackles Israel-related subjects and issues. This eternally unbalanced pro-Israel disposition on his part does Israel no good, for it shows him to be a fundamentalist who has no time for truth and facts. His extremism therefore diminishes greatly the value of any "support" he may providing to Israel.

Dershowitz sucks.

Dershowitz should move to

Dershowitz should move to Israel along with Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and other Zionists currently in power in Washington.

Chris, I believe it was you


I believe it was you yesterday that mentioned watching the History Channel program on the $1 bill. I finally got around to watching last night. Good stuff!

yeah, it started off slow

yeah, it started off slow but got better about halfway through. interesting show.

did you hear about this

did you hear about this upcoming show no Fox? in the commercial, they flash the all seeing eye and pyramid up on the screen and suggest its about the illuminati.:

Series Premiere Monday, August 21 9/8c

Sara Collins is gone. But before the FBI can solve the mystery of where she is, they first need to figure out who she really is.

SARA (Joanne Kelly, “Whiskey Echo”) is the beautiful young wife of prominent Georgia Senator JEFFREY COLLINS (John Allen Nelson, “24”), and she has gone missing. Through the eyes of Senior FBI Agent GRAHAM KELTON (Gale Harold, “Queer as Folk,” “Martha Behind Bars”), ambitious reporter JUDY NASH (Rebecca Gayheart, “Nip/Tuck,” “Harvard Man”) and the distraught members of the Collins family, viewers will journey inside a sensational, mysterious national soap opera.

And there is much more going on here than it seems on the surface.

The search for Sara not only exposes one of the nationÂ’s most prominent families, but it also uncovers evidence that could rock the very foundation of American society. In VANISHED, nothing is as it seems. Everyone is a suspect. Everyone has a secret. And no one is safe.



Chris, I have seen the

Chris, I have seen the previews for the show admittedly during commercial breaks while watching "So You Think You Can Dance" (my girlfriend makes me watch it :-)). It looks good.

ouch man, that must be

ouch man, that must be painful to watch,hahaha.your obviously a good boyfriend for putting up with that shit.

i gotta admit though, i

i gotta admit though, i watched some of "Dancing with the Stars" first season.thats only because Stacy Keibler was on it though.

The mods need to start a new

The mods need to start a new thread for just BS talk. I feel guilty for posting convo about dancing shows on here.... LOL

Stacy Keibler.... meow.

We should have chat on here

We should have chat on here or at least use a common instant message program and share handles so people can communicate interactively.

haha true. its a slow day

haha true. its a slow day around here though. and you know how everyone likes to post new stuff in the newest threads anyway.

Don't see any wing pics and

Don't see any wing pics and Gonzales interview doesn´t work.

Interesting about the "new"

Interesting about the "new" Pentagon cleanup photo. I hope you can get it...

Hey guys, I have updated the

Hey guys, I have updated the blogger "Grab Bag" with the picture of the wings I just received from the Idaho Observer. Refresh your page to see.

"its a slow day around here

"its a slow day around here though."

R U serious???? Things are insane right now!!! This C-span thing is out of control, spread it!!!

i meant the was

i meant the was pretty slow around here.

That "wing" looks a little

That "wing" looks a little too boxy to be a wing, but what do I know.

it does. i would need an

it does. i would need an expert to verify that before i would go around using that as evidence.

Another article on the Dutch

Up-date on Dutch media

Up-date on Dutch media coverage regarding the Dutch students investigation into 9/11:
(Verbal contents of this video are the same as the earlier news item posted below. Dutch mainstream newspaper "Trouw" today also reported on this and said that the 9/11-theories are no longer controversial and the 9/11 Truth Movement is going "above ground".)

I don't think the photo of

I don't think the photo of the "wings" is real. We know that alot of the Pentagon photos are fake. And in this particular one.. there's a Maryland flag! The Pentagon is in Va, and they really don't like Maryland flags in Va. Seriously.

Those aren't wings guys. It

Those aren't wings guys. It just shows what lengths people will go to.

>> Those aren't wings guys.

>> Those aren't wings guys. It just shows what lengths people will go to.

Then why is it still on the site as though they were wings?? Why promote a hoax on here.

Those of you having a slow

Those of you having a slow day, please join this group and add your favorite 9/11 books on librarything.

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