Mid-Week Open Thread

What have we missed?

Open thread, have at it.

Washpost: NORAD criminally

Washpost: NORAD criminally lied and decieved us regarding 9/11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR200608...

NYDaily News: Bush orders EPA to coverup health findinds, medical funding blocked
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/438649p-369566c.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/437417p-368502c.html

Salon.com: "Bush' 9/11 Coverup"
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/06/18/911/index.html

Gaurdian: Why is the government covering up Pakistan's role in 9/11?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html

Senator Curt Weldon says something very sinister is going on with the coverup of the top secret Pentagon program Able Danger, that tracked the 9/11 hijackers before 9/11
http://khon.com/khon/display.cfm?storyID=6727&sectionID=1161

Honestly, I don't think "incompetence" can explain this *beep* anymore, I'm sorry.

Especially when you read this FBI footnote:
"If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up."
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/0

thanks for the feedback

thanks for the feedback guys... DHS, ya, i'd love help with the site. i had paid my buddy to do the redesign, so it's kinda hard for me to make major design changes, cause i'm not great at this stuff. So if you can help make changes, that'd be wicked. send me an e-mail to truthabout911@hotmail.com

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1

http://www.editorandpublisher

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...

Congresswoman Sues 'Atlanta Journal-Constitution' for Libel

By E&P Staff

Published: August 01, 2006 4:40 PM ET

NEW YORK A Democratic congresswoman from Georgia is suing The Atlanta Journal-Constitution for libel.

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney filed charges against the newspaper's editor Cynthia Tucker and publisher John Mellott for an editorial column that ran in the Sunday July 30 paper about McKinneyÂ’s alleged altercation with police, according to All Headline News.

McKinneyÂ’s attorney, J.M. Raffauf, said the column describes McKinney whacking a police officer with her cell phone, a charge McKinney denies.

The suit says that other facts were misstated including a reported suggestion by McKinney that President Bush had known about the September 11 terror attacks in advance, and had allowed the plot to unfold so that he and his friends could profit from the resulting wars.

The suits says that McKinney wants an "immediate retraction in writing these false and libelous statements" and "demands that your retraction and correction be accompanied by an editorial in which you specifically repudiate your libelous statements."

so this ABC Nightline

so this ABC Nightline commercial just said "total confusion" and "why was america unprepared?"...

to them I say... War

to them I say...

War Games?
Cheney was in charge?
George Bush is reading a book?
Donald Rumsfeld has stroke?
The orders stood?

Any of those?

Barrett dropped a lot of

Barrett dropped a lot of dimes on Hannity today.

You missed

Some new stuff from forensic

Some new stuff from forensic economist David Hawkins:

Invitation to 9/11 virtual war game on "Shock, Bait and Liquidate"
http://www.valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/072706.html

Did 9/11 war-game contractors rig up WTC elevators like rockets?
http://www.valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/080106.html

loose change clips in this

loose change clips in this abc thing?

this is not a test.

Is it just me, or does

Is it just me, or does anyone else wish Mel Gibson would have screamed, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, instead?

I don't care what Mel Gibson

I don't care what Mel Gibson says if it isn't "911 was an inside job." or a derivative thereof.

11 is still airborne???

11 is still airborne???

I sent a fourth letter to

I sent a fourth letter to the 650 structural engineering professors to update on the C-SPAN broadcast. See here for the letter, and also for all the responses I've received to all four letters:

http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4820

very suspicious this

very suspicious this show.

It hasn't asked why the false blips.

Bomb on board.

If it wasn't shot down it blew up with that bomb, yes?

Lucky that 4 guys picked

Lucky that 4 guys picked this day to do it.

and by 4 i mean 19 and

and by 4 i mean 19 and change

oh my god he just said cell

oh my god he just said cell phone

i wanna know the altitude of the plane when those calls were made.

Wow, I love this:

still looking for more

still looking for more feedback on my site. have a look and see if there's things you think should be changed, added, etc.

http://www.truth911.net

This site a good place to send newbies to learn about 9/11.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fea

Just so folks know,

Just so folks know, Truth911.net is one of two sites that James Fetzer likes so much that he put links near the top of ST911.org

Way to go, truth911.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fea

http://www.vanityfair.com/featur...al/ 060801fege01
CJ

I'm sick and tired of that CT term being used in the msm. When are they gonna STFU?

truth911 you need wtc7

Ed Shultz mentioned CSPAN on

Ed Shultz mentioned CSPAN on his show, said he would watch the whole thing--
BUT KEPT REFERRING TO IT AS "THE FREAK SHOW"

what an asshole.
How is it that some people can get most of the picture right, and then when it comes to 9/11 they are total retards..?

Tell him what a FREAK you are

ed@edschultzshow.com

also for those who missed my

also for those who missed my earlier post, Professor Jones updated his paper with more info:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Valis and truth911.net:

Valis and truth911.net: Nice!

Also, V for Vendetta hit DVD today.

-slaqqer

i have that first wtc 7

i have that first wtc 7 picture both in the table of the main page and in the NIST section on WTC 7. I still find it so strange that this is the only pic of the SW corner of WTC7 from the 18th floor down. The picture even looks sorta fake to me, but it's definately on there. I think jones needs to put it in his paper too, just so people have all the facts. I might throw that second pic up though

On Nightline tonight: Did

On Nightline tonight: Did anyone else think Thomas Kean looked overly nervous, eyes shifting too much, when he talked to Cynthia McFadden about the cell phone calls and the "real heroes" who brought down Flight 93?
Any experts out there on liars & face tics?

truth911.net, I liked your

truth911.net,

I liked your site even with the first design. Very nice

my only complaint is that it

my only complaint is that it does not fit on a 800x600 screen w/o scrolling

I would like to see Thomas

I would like to see Thomas Kean debate Kevin Barrett on C-SPAN

o i missed that corner pic,

o i missed that corner pic, nm it

yeah truth do u know

yeah truth do u know xhtml/css?

i can redo your site to tighten it up.

one thing i noticed is you

one thing i noticed is you should a works cited page for factchecking.

truth911.net, on your Van

truth911.net,

on your Van Romero's Changing Testimony section, you should add that Romero said that he also doesn't want to say what did or didn't happen

also no israeli art students

also no israeli art students or arrested dancers in the irregularities.

truth911.net, I would have

truth911.net,

I would have designed it as a blog with reader comments. Blogs are the way to go.

*

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fA

truth911.net, In Molten

truth911.net,

In Molten Metal section, the pictures aren't of molten metal, but of a solid piece (not molten) of orange/yellow hot metal. (See Jones' paper for details)

JA: About Kean looking

JA:

About Kean looking nervous, I saw that too, but I'm afraid we only see it because we already know the truth. I get the same feeling every single time I see George Bush give a speech, but unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that think everything Bush says is genuine.

Watching the ABC thing was really infuriating. They were playing the tapes of the FAA controllers tracking flight 93, then said something like "but little did they know, it had already crashed..."

wtf? How could they be tracking it on radar if it had already crashed. Seemed like either a bad editing job, or a deliberate attempt to manufacture some incompetence.

This Rhodes video is good. I

This Rhodes video is good.

I can cut pieces out of this and add video/pictures and it'd be nice, like a Randi Rhodes video remix.

audio, i mean.

audio, i mean.

did someone rip abc?

did someone rip abc?

Did anyone catch a recording

Did anyone catch a recording of tonight's Nightline? My dad called me up and told me about it, but I'd missed all the 9/11 coverage =(

I recorded the ABC thing on

I recorded the ABC thing on my DVR, but don't know how to get it on my computer. I am going to try and figure it out tomorrow.

The Windsor Tower was not

The Windsor Tower was not actually steel framed, but steel reinforced concrete

(and it still didn't completely collapse!!)

http://www.haifire.com/presentations/Historical_Collapse_Survey.pdf

This Nightline show & the

This Nightline show & the Vanity Fair article are going to need our close scrutiny! There were so many ludicrous things said on Nightline, I don't know where to begin.

Nonetheless, the statement that NORAD didn't know where John F. Kennedy International Airport was located, and that they didn't even have it on their sreens as a reference point, was ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS!!! (I almost fell out of my chair when I heard this b.s. on Nightline!)

truth911.net, "Even though

truth911.net,

"Even though most of the steel was shipped off to Asia under guard"

Actually, only a small portion was shipped overseas. Most was trucked to other boroughs in NYC and melted down right away.

government landfills right?

government landfills right?

truth911.net, the paragragh

truth911.net,

the paragragh at the bottom of the "Pull It" section is needs to be bumped up a little

truth911.net, are you still

truth911.net,

are you still here? Just checking...

truth911.net, be careful of

truth911.net,

be careful of the (fake) Smoke Plume shot. It's copyrighted and I heard a webmaster got in trouble..

I better email you the info

I better email you the info jic

I am sort of taking a

I am sort of taking a managers approach on this, but has anyone taken a look at the Mossaoui trial and examined if the evidence is false? Such as if the passports found of the "hijackers" were from people later found alive as reported by the BBC and others? Is an attorney present who can examine the litigation?

G

9/11 Panel Suspected

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR200608...

Interesting quotes from

Interesting quotes from above article:

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

...

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

yes.... it's amazing. Only

yes.... it's amazing. Only problem is their description of the Kean report as "landmark".

I just read the whole Vanity

I just read the whole Vanity Fair article and heard the clips. I found it chilling. I think I have a new theory of what really happened. And I do not think Flight 93 was shot down.

Five years after the attack, the controversy around United 93 clearly eats at Arnold, Marr, Nasypany, and several other military people I spoke with, who resent both conspiracy theories that accuse them of shooting the flight down and the 9/11 commission's conclusion that they were chasing ghosts and never stood a chance of intercepting any of the real hijackings. "I don't know about time lines and stuff like that," Nasypany, who is now a lieutenant colonel, said in one of our last conversations. "I knew where 93 was. I don't care what [the commission says]. I mean, I care, but—I made that assessment to put my fighters over Washington. Ninety-three was on its way in. I knew there was another one out there. I knew there was somebody else coming in—whatever you want to call it. And I knew what I was going to have to end up doing." When you listen to the tapes, it couldn't feel more horrendously true.

What if, what if the NORAD generals were right all along? See I think NORAD/NEADS is the good guys. They seem to truly want to stop these attacks. What if, and Im just speculating here...but what if there really were unaccounted for planes they were after? To this day, some still contend it was not Flight 11 that hit the wtc but a small plane.

What if the planes they were tracking
were real or at least interjected blips? I think NORAD is being played...and again, I dont want to go into conspiracy land...but the 9/11 commission is making NORAD generals to be liars, but what if they are telling the truth?

that accuse them of shooting the flight down and the 9/11 commission's conclusion that they were chasing ghosts and never stood a chance of intercepting any of the real hijackings. "I don't know about time lines and stuff like that," Nasypany, who is now a lieutenant colonel, said in one of our last conversations. "I knew where 93 was. I don't care what [the commission says]. I mean, I care, but—I made that assessment to put my fighters over Washington. Ninety-three was on its way in. I knew there was another one out there. I knew there was somebody else coming in

I can't help but wonder if there was additional planes, white planes to be exact, that confused the fuck out of EVERYONE. I've seen footage from the BBC of a white millitary jet headed toward the pentagon BEFORE its hit.

Also, no Mineta mention in

Also, no Mineta mention in these reports? poo

Sorry to spam it here, but

Sorry to spam it here, but you might find it interesting

http://www.freewebs.com/democraatus

Great site, 911Truth.net I

Great site, 911Truth.net

I know it is unpopular to say it, but the physical evidence. or lack of it in the case of the Pentagon, was got me interested in 9/11 truth.

I respect what Jon and some others here say about the public not believing the physical evidence, but I think if we go easy on it we will look as if we don't believe it, which most of us do.

There are many scandalous things going on in the world. most of which we hear about and shrug and say, ''well, politicians are corrupt, period" and get on with our lives. But once people get the idea into their heads that their government deliberately blew up three buildings causing massive loss of life - is there anyone here who thinks those towers just collapsed - really? - then an energy will be released which will ignite the whole country, and the world , in a desire for justice.

The world is on a knife-edge. Being tentative is not going to save it. We have got to say bold and clear - Your government blew up the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon and made it looked like the terrorists were acting alone.
Forget no-planes. Demolition, demolition, demolition.

It was apparent to me that

It was apparent to me that the August VANITY FAIR article was a hit piece before reading the article. I have created a visual analyis of the article.
http://janhoyer.wordpress.com/

A Designer's Analysis of Vanity Fair's "Click Here for Conspiracy"
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/reviews.htm

Seve & Aaron, ABC will

Seve & Aaron,

ABC will probably post the Nightline video later today (top right):
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/

Someone (madgicmoments) also started a thread about the show, but they need to be set straight:
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/Nightline/thread?threadID=403883
Any takers? I haven't registered yet.

OT: Click on one of the videos and watch the Lieberman segment, which is really all about Daily Kos. Has he warmed up to 9/11 truth?

no, KOS is a major coward

no, KOS is a major coward whos too busy sucking off the DLC dems and the MSM to even think about broaching 9/11 truth.

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