As always, let me know if I'm posting too much of my own stuff. I'm just trying to move the ball of 9/11 truth forward by addressing specific issues.

I won't take it personally one way or the other. It either is helpful or not . . .

GW, great update to your article. Thanks to Micahyah of course as well...

Malloy....

Kicking ASS right now...

turn it on.

Thanks GW for putting that update up, this is the gist of what I posted about the new Washington Post story, the new NORAD stuff, etc.

An argument to say back to people who deny that a 9/11 conspiracy could go on for so long and not come out already:

Show them the Wash Post story, the Vanity Fair story on NORAD, etc., and ask them:

Now do you understand why the argument that "well, if it was a conspiracy we would have heard it by now" holds no water? You have members of the 9/11 commission, who are just looking into what happened (this is taking for granted it was not a coverup job, which it was, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt for now) and covered up for years that they were deliberately lied to by the pentagon. Now, the 9/11 commission wasn't just the commissioners themselves, but 80 or so staff members that worked on it as well. So you have a huge story about the biggest crime in history, and the fact that the pentagon lied to investigators, and this lie lasted for 2 years before being exposed by The Washington Post. And not only the 80 staff members, you also have all of the Pentagon staff people who were contacted by the 9/11 commission, at least in the dozens. So we now have well over a hundred people covering up a huge story about 9/11 for 2 years.

And the NORAD tapes also involved most likely a large group of the staff and commissioners, and all of the NORAD officials involved in what happened that day, over a 100 people as well most likely, and we are just getting information out now that has been covered up for 5 years.

You don't think that the actual perpetrators of the mass murder of almost 3,000 people couldn't keep a secret for 5 years, even if it was 100 people involved in the conspiracy?

DP,

What's Malloy got going on tonight?

So... no one is grasping the significance of this Tucker Carlson thing, or everyone is just used to ignoring my posts? : )

Let me tell you something - if you understand the heirachy of the power elite....this about 3 degrees away from Tony Snow saying it.

I'm not ignoring you, Rumpl ...

It's just that there's so much going down in a short period of time that it's hard to keep up with it...

Yes, there's a lot of spin and limited revelation going on, and no one want's to be caught with their pants down on this...

Stay tuned... it's gonna get even more frenzied...

4skin, yes, I do think it's interesting that the idea of a new investigation is even being floated as a possibility.

"No, it wasn't passionate, that would be ridiculous."

***

I think I liked you better when I was "ignoring you".

:-)

No offense Chris, I just mean it would be ridiculous to expect that from the likes of TC.

I know buddy... just yanking your chain.

Yes I sae Tucker also Rump...

He did say that, it was about a 15 second bit!

He said "Does this mean we need another 9/11 investigation"?

I agree this was a BIG step for him.
Just a few weeks ago, he was saying 9/11 "conspiracies" are BS, so we will wait and see!

I cant wait untill Bill Fkin O'Reilly eats his damn words!

Ronnied
www.487ptown.com

Thanks for the quote Ronnie - I only caught the very end of it, and I couldn't recall the exact wording.

As I said, it didn't sound like much at first listen, but considering the source, this was way out of character. And I think it may have been the first clue that the power elite has begun to acknowledge this. As well as when - possibly starting NOW.

Carlson/Hannity/OReilly...what a bunch of chumps.

It's gonna be painful, but I'm going to watch O'Reilly tonight just to see if the f***tard has anything to say on the washington post article.

Americablog's John Aravosis has actually posted a link to the Vanity Fair Norad article. I find this surprising since in the past he has actively discouraged and even censored and deleted 911 truth discussion. Americablog has a very large base of readers.

9/11: The NORAD Tapes
by John in DC - 8/02/2006 02:28:00 PM

From Vanity Fair.

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Two years ago nobody was talking 9/11. It was a dead issue. Now it is all you hear. All the hard work is starting to pay off. This Tucker Carlson thing has got me thinking that something is going on behind the scenes. The elite know people are starting to find out the truth about 9/11. I think they are trying to soften the blow when the shit hits the fan. Trying to spin LIHOP rather than MIHOP. It won't work. The truth is self-evident. 9/11 was an inside job. Keep pushing guys.

I hear you, maddog, it feels like things are finally pushing to the point of no return. Its going to be like a water balloon getting smooshed, slowly, stretching, and then, finally, SPLAT. Its getting close.

That is another point - Tucker Carlson talking about it sounds to me like it could be the beginning of the LIHOP maneuver. I'm not trying to be negative, I'm trying to be as awake, aware and vigilant as possible.

They're not going to throw their hands up and say, "Okay, you got us." I have felt for a long time that the gameplan was to steer this towards "a few rotten eggs" who can become sacrificial lambs, leaving the true Perps to work another scam another day.

Well said Maddog.
I agree.
We need to keep pushing untill these people are tried for war crimes.

I know Dylan is pissed off and tied of the bullshit. Check the blog on loosechange911.com.

His latest post is worth reading!

Ronnied
www.487ptown.com

A friend of mine asks a good question: What is the history, in prior "false flag ops", of the people becoming aware of it, or their reactions (political or otherwise) to it, and of how the government handled the disclosure?

What are the psychological ramifications of what we are facing?

What are the next steps within "the power structure" to handle this break-out?

What was the experience after the JFK assassination, or the Watergate event?

How will the 9/11 truth movement handle a deep and thorough "limited hangout" in which SOME are found "guilty" and sacrificed in order to "get beyond it"?

OMG, Bill O'Reilly is unbelievable. This is verbatim from his talking points tonight...

"Calling all leaders!

The Internet has drastically changed the way news reaches the public, but our leaders have not figured that out yet. When something happens, word almost instantaneously reaches millions of people, and the event is defined by bloggers, many of whom have an agenda. So, misinformation and false analysis is instantly out there, and sometimes widely accepted by Americans getting their information from machines. For example, Americans have turned against the war in Iraq because it is widely perceived as being a losing cause. But, is it really? On the Middle East, most Americans have no idea why Hezbollah even exists or who's winning the conflict. And why are we paying almost a buck more for gas for a gallon of gas this year than we did last year? What exactly made that happen? Unless you watch Cable News or read a good newspaper, and those are rare...you'll have a hard time figuring out this dangerous and complicated world. That's where an effective leader comes in. Not only do our elected officials have to make policy, they now have to clearly explain it to the public themselves. And they must do it over and over and over again, because we're a distracted bunch. Long gone are the days when FDR could reach most of the nation over the radio with fireside chats. Gone are the days of Cornkite, Huntley, and Brinkley could nightly define the world for the American public. Now, the President wants our focus and support, he must be a teacher, a persuader, he must sell his policies to the public that is often confused. In other words, our leaders must fight the machine. That is a daunting task, but it is leadership 101 in the internet age."

Is he serious? Bloggers have agendas? How about Fox, you a-wipe? Misinformation? False analysis? Are you kidding me, dude? He wants the president to sell his policies to me, because I am easily confused by bloggers?

Wow. He knows exactly what he is doing. It's too bad that the usual audience of Fox News can't see right through it.

I was saying at the 9/11 conference in LA "LIHOP" is going to go mainstream, and most liberals will start to accept this. I mean crap, look at what Wesley Clark is saying! I think LIHOP is a great powerful start, as that's considered total tinfoil land to a lot.

Keep the pressure on guys!

Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1),

In adition to your questions, I have a question about the "end" toward which 9/11 Truth presumably moves. What is legally possible? What could happen to Bush or elements of the intelligence community if, by some miracle, they are caught and tried for treason?

I ask because I recently purchased Mamadou Chinyelu's book, Motive, Means and Opportunity: Probable Cause for Indicting George W. Bush, his Sponsors and Aides for the Attack of September 11, 2001. On the back cover, he cites a National Security Council Directive (5412) from 1954 that authorizes the CIA to conduct terrorist campaigns, including "demolition". He also cites a US District Court decision from 2003 in which Judge Harold Baer Jr. concluded, "The Supreme Court has held that a claim against a U.S. president for the conduct identical to that alleged against Saddam Hussein would be barred because of the president's absolute immunity from damages for conduct associated with the exercise of his official duties."

So my question is (and maybe this is stupid): Could the perpetrators avoid prosecution, based on the protections of U.S. law? I'm assuming "treason" overrides the above decisions; but these laws would seem to provide "immunity" for Bush and Co.

Just a thought.

Updated now with the 2 most important new NORAD MP3s:

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3597.0
Vanity Fair on 9/11 Wargames: "Flight11" Tailnumber didn't match, "175 part of an Input"
Wed Aug 02 2006

http://911closeup.com/nico/085518.mp3
08:55:18BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yeah, he crashed into the World
Trade Center.ROUNTREE: That is the aircraft that crashed into the
World Trade Center?BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yup. Disregard
the—disregard the tail number [given earlier for American 11].

http://911closeup.com/nico/085518.mp3
09:04:50—Is this explosion part of that that we're lookin' at now
on TV?—Yes.—Jesus …—And there's a possible second hijack also—a
United Airlines …—Two planes?…—Get the fuck out …—I think this is
a damn input, to be honest.

This hs been a great day for 911 Truth , possibly the most important since I joined the movement in February. It's nearly five in the morning here but I know now that we will win.

Hi NIco you crazy man. Calm down,we're going to win, OK?

Nice one Nico, but you posted the same link twice.