Re: AA77--Where's the plane? Wher're the 240 seats, the luggage, 2 engines? Why is the hole like that a missile or bomb would make?

But they ID'ed 63 of 64 AA77 passengers??? IMPOSSIBLE!!! All DNA & other organic matter would have been destroyed as well!!!

:?: Blimp, I thought you, Nico, Holmgren, etc were the "honest" 911 truth movement? :(

Just visited wegoted.com and the poll is now gone. new pole is about Lieberman and Lamont. be sure to contact Ed@edschultz.com and ask that he report the results.

I can't tell yet whether this is big news or a disinfo campaign . . .

I can't tell yet whether this is big news or a disinfo campaign . . .
GeorgeWashington | Homepage | 08.03.06 - 6:43 pm | #
exactly. im very skeptical.

http://www.911lies.org/cell_calls_911_faked_voice_morphing.html

This could be an interesting development, keep us posted GW! I'm going to the gym so I don't refresh every 30 seconds.. :)

I'm too busy to get up . . .

"eisenreich: please work out for me, too."

ROFLMAO

Yeh, me too...

If anyone is a software developer that knows flight sim code, you can help make sense of the data. Please email me, DZ, somebigguy, or Reprehensor.

Now see... whatcha got here is your reverberations from the cylindicular proxy. As you can see from the modular wall, the plane struck in a horizontal axis at exactly 9:37:03am.

Hey guys, Off topic, but entirely on topic at the same time:

Earlier this week, two producers working for Fox News in Amman Jordan resigned in protest. In their resignation letter, Serene Sabbagh and Jomana Karadsheh wrote "We can no longer work with a news organization that claims to be fair and balanced when you are so far from that. Not only are you an instrument of the Bush White House, and Israeli propaganda, you are war mongers with no sense of decency, nor professionalism.”

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/03/1351216

IMO, AA77 did not strike the Pentagon, So whatever is on any black box is phony if it purports AA77 was approaching the Pentagon.

The "manufactured" evidence that AA77 struck the Pentagon was so weak, they then lied that 63 of 64 passengers were IDed with DNA.

This is bullshit because AA77 also supposedly smashed through the Pentagon @ 530 mph, exploded, and was obliterated. Viable DNA & other organic matter would have been destroyed along with the plane.

Everybody check out this forum...

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=56

Pentagon was always the soft underbelly of the 9/11 fable. That´s why so much effort was put into distracting from it.

This should held seperate wheat and chaff as the 9/11 movement is concerned. :)

ABC NIGHTLINE AUG 1, 2006

NORAD 9/11

PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef8IY3zKEcc

PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vef2klsYRY4

(Watch it now in case they "pull-it"!)

Pay attention to Keane's comments about what drills were going on. Very easy to prove / disprove what he says.

Wink...wink.

This is no evidence.
It's a piece of BS paper.
http://mysite.verizon.net/cmcralle/FIOA1.GIF

it appears they were above 10,000 feet until 10 minutes before the crash.

sloppiness.

Chris-

That article by Arkin...

You listen to Ministry? That's the exact quote at the very beginning of LiesLiesLies!

Folks, we have to be fully preparred to have some of our theories officially debunked or proven false. In the event that that actually happens, it doesn't mean that everything else is false. In fact, it may help us focus on the main undebunkable issues.

Regardless, any discussions on 9/11 right now are good. We just have to up the awareness by topping the disinfo campaign.

Folks, does anybody have a list of people who are gagged? I thought I read on another thread or maybe on another board that a bunch of people, like government employees, have received secret letters telling them they can't talk. All I know is we have Sibel. How about firefighters? Anyone else? I am trying to explain to some morons why no one has spilled the beans on this.

Short notice: 9/11 & NORAD tapes on Keith Oberman MSNBC in a few moments.

Chris-

That article by Arkin...

You listen to Ministry? That's the exact quote at the very beginning of LiesLiesLies!
Drew M | Homepage | 08.03.06 - 7:57 pm | #
yes, i know its by Arkin, i was just pointing out that voice morphing technology exists. and yes, ive listened to Ministry since i was like 14, but taht qoute is originally from Loose Change.

Who received these?

If they are real they wouldn't just anonymously appear on the web.

Did they admit to finding the black boxes at the pentagon before?

Gerald Posner is the same dickhead CIA disinfo agent who wrote "CASE CLOSED" - which was a ridiculous acceptance of the Warren Commission findings in the death of JFK. The book received a lot of press when Stone's JFK movie came out.

right back at you Anonymous, you bootlicking,gullible,coward(why no name coward?) son of a bitch.

Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going....

Use the washingtonpost link.. it is more respectable:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

Can we please discuss the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER?

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20020123X00105&key=1

has no info.

where did the GIF come from?

http://mysite.verizon.net/cmcralle/FOIA44.GIF

Why 3 days after it was created?

bears the server- time-stamp of 03:41 GMT ... I used wget -N attention: wget translates TIMEZONES, i.e. the file may have been EST (gmt-4) i.e. was created/lastmodified on EDT 31aug2006 23:42 ...

http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&q=%22flight+data+recorder%22+penta...

http://news.google.com/news?scoring=d&q=%22black+box%22+pentagon+-sikors...

nothing!

Keywords: 31.January 2002
NTSB DCA01MA064 B-757-200 N644AA
American Airlines Flight 77
Pentagon SSFDR Loral Fairchild Model F-2100 Black Box

Another gem from 9/11/2001

A Counter-terrorist expert commenting about the attacks: "Not one of us in government or counter-terrorist experts outside government believed that anyone was capable of launching an attack with this degree of lethality and coordination."

"In one horrible moment, the need for homeland defense has gone from being a theoretical risk to a grim reality," said Tony Cordesman, a military and Middle East expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"Jon:

where did that statement come from?"

You mean, "you can get court martialled for crashing a jeep"?

If you take a jeep out for a joyride, and crash it, you can have a court martial.

I think John Judge said it during his presentation at the 9/11 Omission Hearings... it stuck with me regarding incompetence...

If you can be court martialled for what I described, then why was no one held accountable for the "incompetence" that took place on 9/11?

Jon, because they went with the program.

One man's incompetence is another's orders for the day.

"a military and Middle East expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies"--In other words, a dept. of the CIA.

Right. You remember all those CIA expert bozos on TV.

In one horrible moment, the need for homeland defense has gone from being a theoretical risk to a grim reality ...

And here we are, almost 5 years later.

"Jon, because they went with the program.

One man's incompetence is another's orders for the day."

I'm asking that in a logical sense...

Folks, we have to be fully preparred to have some of our theories officially debunked or proven false.

I agree, Stephen. It's just that I think it very unlikely at this stage of the game. Why? Because it has been almost 5 years and the government is losing its case in the court of public opinion. The best they've done so far is to release that ridiculous "video proof" at the Pentagon.

So I would be VERY surprised if this black box data from Flight 77 is anything other than manipulated, selected, or made up data. The government will continue to CIA (Cover Its Ass) with fishy "evidence."

The real incompetence of the government wasn't that they couldn't pull off 9/11, it was that they couldn't do it cleanly -- the planning and execution was so sloppy that they did't cover their tracks for sh*t.

The Pentagon story is a 'honeypot'

No one was held accountable for their "incompetence" because SOMEONE would have come forward to say, "The wargames were confusing me..." or, "No one responded to our distress call..." or, "We were waiting for permission to launch that never came..."

Something like that.

That poll over at the Ed Schultz site is amazing -- earlier today the YES side was only 40% or so, but now it's a whopping 65.7% -- and seems to be rising! Take that you moron (Schultz). I don't see any statistics as to how many have voted. Would be interesting....

Yes. They rushed Uber-Shill Posner out to Olbermann's show in case Keith drifted too far from the script.

Control, control, control.

I only caught part of it, have to catch the replay.

Jon - You are 100% correct about the jeep.

In fact, they can court marshal you for almost anything. Getting a tattoo, because you are destroying government property.

I was in the military from 1988 to 1991.

So then there you go.

Joe T., that's absolutely correct. Gerald Posner is a total idiot who went along with the Warren Commission.

So, did Olbermann only have Posner on? Nobody else to discuss this? If so, Olbermann needs educating. Or, maybe WE need to be clear that he's NOT one of the good guys.

Of course, they could say, "We didn't want to hold anyone accountable so they wouldn't feel guilty about what happened on 9/11"...

I'm supprised that they did not sacrafice any of the lower enlisted for show.

Then again, if they would have tried then the lower enlisted would have blown the whistle.

That's the main issue right now! People in the military are not in the position to speak out. If they do they can be put into prison for life, so not much encouragment for them to speak out.

The civilians are the best chance for someone talking. But then again they are under gag order much like the military, threatened with prison if they speak.

Why do you think they're trying to take the pensions away from people like Ray McGovern if he continues doing what he does?

If the M$M want to focus only on incompetence, the mouvement should play the game and push for complete accountability of the "incompetents". If the pressure is great enough and they begin to point fingers, maybe it will stir the sh!t out of it. Just a thought.

Oh, and btw, I take regular screeshot of the Ed Poll result, just in case they pull it. :)

Good thought TNF.

I think those are the types of questions people should be asking when making the phone calls... why didn't the President of the United States, a man who swore to protect and defend the people and the Constitution, not want to investigate what happened on 9/11? Shouldn't he want to know how it happened so it doesn't happen again? Why did he fight against the family members for the creation of the Commission? Why did he become, as Jersey Girl Patty Casazza put it, "our biggest adversary?"

Oliver Stone's movie on the September 11th terror attacks on the World Trade Center premieres tonight at the Ziegfeld Theater in Midtown [Manhattan]. http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=61525

I didn't know it was opening today in NYC?

How can they justify all those gag orders? National Security? Come on, National CYA...

why didn't the President of the United States, a man who swore to protect and defend the people and the Constitution, not want to investigate what happened on 9/11? Shouldn't he want to know how it happened so it doesn't happen again? Why did he fight against the family members for the creation of the Commission? Why did he become, as Jersey Girl Patty Casazza put it, "our biggest adversary?"

Why the "journalists" don't see that???

Why "journalists" don't see thatby themselves? They need us to call to ask those questions? INCREDIBLE!!!

2/3 of Ed Schultz listeners believe the US Government attacked itself on 9-11? That's a solid 66%.

Keep in mind this question was asked in a manner designed to bias people towards answering "NO". Instead of simply asking "Do you believe 9/11 was an Inside Job", the Schultz poll takes the more provacative approach and asks, "Do you believe the US Government attacked itself on 9-11?"

First of all, this wording indicts the entire "US Government" as opposed to a mere fraction, as would have been implied with the "Inside Job" wording.

Thus, it is fair to assume that a greater majority of Ed Schultz listeners share the more commonly held view that 9/11 was in fact an Inside Job.

Regardless of your interpretation, one thing is sure... Ed Schultz does not have a good read on his audience. We need to call him on that. Literally.

I suggest we get on the phone with Big Eddie tomorrow to encourage him to respond to this most interesting of poll results.

Come on Big Ed, "you got some 'splaining to do"!

http://www.wegoted.com/

BTW, if he refuses to address it, it proves he's a big fat rednecked chicken, and from henceforth, he should be known only as "FOGHORN LEGHORN".

So let it be written...

"I can't tell yet whether this is big news or a disinfo campaign . . ."

Would you admit the truth if presented to you?

You tell me. Why. "Incompetence"?

Were they "incompetent" when they illegally stole the 2000 Election?

Were they "incompetent" when George W. Bush asked his principals not 10 days after his inauguration to "go find me a way" to invade Iraq?

Were they "incompetent" when George W. Bush appointed Dick Cheney as the head of the Energy Task Force? Of which the heads of the oil companies attended, and plans for Iraq were discussed?

Were they "incompetent" when they started planning for both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the day of 9/11? Two places they planned to invade long before 9/11.

Were they "incompetent" when they sold lies of WMD, ties to Al-Qaeda, and ties to 9/11 to the American people just to get the Iraq War?

Were they "incompetent"?

"Please tell me on what page Norman Mineta's testimony "appears in the 9-11 Commission Report"."

Of what importance is Minetta's testimony???? Don't the facts speak for themselves?

"Of what importance is Minetta's testimony???? Don't the facts speak for themselves?"

You tell me. What are the facts regarding Norman Mineta's testmony?

"If anyone is a software developer that knows flight sim code, you can help make sense of the data."

Are you scared of the actual data? It appears the facts upset you.

Ed Schultz is phony putz!

Seriously, he is looking more like a jackass everyday for not talking 9/11 Truth. Interesting how these MSM outlets will spend in an hour 30 minutes on Mel Gibson, 20 on Isreal, and maybe 60 seconds on 9/11.

I guess 9/11 truth just doesn't matter or is not important!

"IMO, AA77 did not strike the Pentagon, So whatever is on any black box is phony if it purports AA77 was approaching the Pentagon."

It looks like you've come to the wrong forum for help out of your present confusion.

AA77 hit the Pentagon and no one has come up with any evidence to the contrary so why would you believe otherwise?

Were they "incompetent" or criminal?

Considering their track record...

Hmmm.. blog won't update. I'm trying to post this: http://mysite.verizon.net/cmcralle/LtrHead.GIF

Exactly when does "incompetence" stop being a credible excuse?

Florida's 2000 "Felonious" Voter Rolls: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Able Danger: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Zacharias Moussaoui: They Knew It or They Blew It.
9/11: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Flight 93: They Knew it or They Blew It.
The Bin Laden Family's 9/12-9/14 Exit Flights: They Knew It or They Blew It.
The WTC Asbestos/Heavy Metal Cover Up: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Uncaught Anthrax Murderer: They Knew It or They Blew It.
The Patriot Act's Excesses: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Total Information Awareness: They Knew It or They Blew It.
The CAPPS II Terrorist-Helping "No Fly" List: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Poindexter's Assassination "Futures" Market: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Fraud-o-Matic Voting Machines: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Osama's Tora Bora Escape: They Knew It or They Blew It.
US & Iraqi Depleted Uranium Exposure: They Knew it or They Blew it.
No Iraqi Yellowcake: They Knew It or They Blew It.
No Other Iraqi WMDs: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Curveball vs. Hussein's Foreign Minister: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Cheney's Millions Profit in Halliburton Options: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Poppy Bush's Carlyle Group War Profiteering: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Outing CIA Agent Valerie Plame: They Knew It or They Blew It.
The 9/11 Omission: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Precious Historic Artifact Looting: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraq UN Bombing: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Nick Berg's Beheading: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Medicare PharmCorp Plundering: They Knew It or They Blew It.
US's Biggest Export = Jobs: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Enron (& other corporate insider) Scams: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Hedge/Mutual Fund Scams: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Energy Policy Written By Enron, et al: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Record Federal Government Growth: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Homeland Security Pork Barrel: They Knew It or They Blew It
False Unemployment Data: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Gitmo Abuses: They Knew It or They Blew It.
"Iraqi Oil Will Pay For War": They Knew It or They Blew It.
"Bring It On": They Knew It or They Blew It.
Cutting Veterans Benefits: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Destroying Reservists' Morale & Retainment: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Prison Torture: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Oil Fund Payola-rama: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Reporter Murders: They Knew It or They Blew It.
$330,000 a Month to Chalabi: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Where's Osama?: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Border Insecurity: They Knew It or They Blew It.
IRS Auditing Only Anti-Bush Churches: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Paid For & Planted Iraqi "News Reports": They Knew It or They Blew It.
HHS Scully Scandal: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Bush's Flag Desecration: He Knew It or He Blew It.
US Soldier Body & Vehicle Armor Scandals: They Knew It or They Blew It.
EPA's Child Mercury Danger Suppression: They Knew It or They Blew It.
EPA Letting Industries Write Own Regulations: They Knew It or They Blew It.
"No Global Warming" Pseudoscience: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Refusal To Release Documents to Congress, Courts or 9/11 Commission: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Wildly Misunderestimated Iraq War Costs: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Round after Round of Budget Busting Tax Cuts for the Rich: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Countless Bullshit Terra Alerts: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Gannongate: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Arrests For Wearing Anti-Bush Shirts: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Record Breaking Afghan Opium Production: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Wage Stagnation: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Bankruptcy "Reform" Bill: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Dollar Losing Value: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Rummy's Bird Flu Scare-mongering Profits: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Florida's 2004 Racial Voter Purge "Mistake": They Knew It or They Blew It.
Pre-Election Florida FEMA Bribe-o-rama: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Ohio Coingate: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Medicare Insurance Boondoggle Debacle: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Jack Abramoff's Pay to Play Felonies: They Knew It or They Blew It.
No Big Oil Public Land Royalties: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Mosque Bombings: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Iraqi Civil War: They Knew It or They Blew It.
Zacharias Moussaoui's Trial: They Knew It or They Blew It.

Just how often are you willing to accept limitless incompetence as an excuse without getting just a tad suspicious?

Florida White Collar Vote Counting Riot: They Staged It.
Supreme Court Decision: Supremely Bad Law
Reclassification of Reagan's & Bush I's Papers: They Railroaded It.
Gutting the Freedom of Information Act: They Railroaded It.
Fighter Jets Sold to Pakistan on a Saturday: They Railroaded It.
First Amendment Zones: They Railroaded It.
Gutting Pollution Regulations: They Railroaded It.
Dissing the Kyoto Treaty: They Railroaded It.
Enemy Combatant Legal Limbo: They Railroaded It.
Torture Rendition: They Railroaded It.
The California "Energy Crisis": They Staged, Gamed, Bilked and Arnied it.
Saddam Statue Celebration: They Staged It.
Mission Accomplished: They Staged It.
The Gropinator Recall: They Staged It.
The Plastic Turkey Thanksgiving Drop: They Staged It.
Saving Private Lynch: They Staged It.
Halliburton Handouts: They Bilked It.
Gas Gouging: They Bilked It.
Appointing Negroponte and Bolton: They Railroaded Them In.
Pat Tillman's Death: They Lied About Him and His Death, Then Covered It Up.
The 2004 Election: They Rigged It.
Illegal Unwarranted Domestic Wiretapping: They Hid It & Lied About It, Then Screamed It Was Legal Anyway.
Downing Street Memos: They Knew It AND They Blew It.
Terry Schiavo: They Knew It AND They Blew It.
Cindy Sheehan: They Knew It AND They Blew It.
Hurricane Katrina: They Knew It AND They Blew It.
UAE Port Scandal: They Knew It AND They Blew It.
No Israeli/Lebanon Ceasefire: They Knew It AND They Blew It.

Once again, I ask, why should anyone ever believe anything these guys say?

Olbermann can't be trusted. He declared Bush the winner on the Presidential debates.

Speaking of Freedom Of Information, I'm looking for an honest 911 truth movement. Anybody know of one?

The 911truth.org-based one just tells Bush-neck-saving lies (Bush *never* said "ordinary TV") about Bush's incriminating 9/11 witness statements.

When I asked the government for records related to the transmission of the 1st WTC impact images relayed to Bush in the Presidential limousine on the morning of 9/11, the responses could have run the gamut from "Records? What records? There are no such records" to "Would you like that on DVD or VHS?".

What I got was the White House claims exclusive ownership of those records: http://911blimp.net/graphics/DISAdenial.gif

So much for liars such as 911truth.org's Barrie Zwicker and wrh.com's Mike Rivero, who brazenly tell outright lies about Bush's ability to have seen what he said he saw when he said he saw it.

I figure an honest 911 truth movement would pay attention to stuff like this.

I'm still looking for one...
______________________________________

Why did the NTSB release the recorders when they never had them to begin with. I remember something from a couple years ago when I first stumbled on the FAA records that showed the registration status of the planes. Two were listed as destroy and the two united were active valid registrations. What I remember about it was when I had cross referenced the the information with the NTSB web site I was able to confirm certain things such as flight numbers and tail number but not much more than that Why? Per the NTSB the plane crashes were handed over to the FBI to investigate and the NTSB would not be conducting an investigation or inquiry! So again I ask why if the NTSB was not investigating the crashes would the black boxes be in their possession?

Please pass this on!

The Specter/Cheney Bill(S. 2453) will make warrantless domestic spying permanently legal!

The legal standard of, "probable cause" will be erased from the Constitution.

Bill Includes warrantless eavesdropping of all communications, and the data mining and profiling of every U.S citizen.

If war is declared, warrantless searches of all homes and businesses will be legal.

Call or fax your Senator and tell him or her "NO" on S. 2453

WWW.BORDC.ORG

Ronnied
www.487ptown.com

I think all this msm coverage is a sick , in your face, joke . They want to draw out the movement just before the next false flag , and martial law .

How long would it take to manufacture a black box that said everything you needed it to say?

This analysis conclusively reveals that whatever hit the Pentagon was too small to be a 757, and thus could not possibly have been Flight 77!