Air America founder sees "inside help"

Dear Al Franken, Rachel Maddow, Sam Seder, etc...

You don't have to leave Randi and Malloy hanging out on a limb anymore. Even the co-founder of your network "gets it";

I really enjoy Countdown with Keith Olbermann. However, yesterday he had Gerald Posner as a guest to evaluate the recently released NORAD tapes on 9/11. Posner's conclusion was that the audio communications with NORAD proves that this was all about massive incompetence and had nothing to do with any conspiracy. The tapes clearly showed that everyone was confused and tardy in their responses to the 4 hijackings and that Bush did not give the "shoot down" order until all the airplanes had crashed...

...I am a forensic accountant who is trained to "connect dots." Forensic work is always part science and part instinct. The ones with the good instincts evaluating empirical data are the best forensic professionals. People who are in forensic work can only be good if they can be objective about the failure of apparent human instincts such as the perception that the earth is flat. Proving the earth was round was counterintuitive to our instincts, but proven by science.

All you have to do is read PNAC, The Project For The New American Century. The writings of the neo-cons in the late 90s conform to the events on 9/11 and the necessity of a second "Pearl Harbor" to rally the American people to support the PNAC plan. Having reviewed the inconsistencies and contradictions of reports on 9/11, I have concluded that the 19 hijackers were really part of what they believed to be an Al-Qaeda funded operation. All 19 sincerely believed in what they were doing and the operation probably was funded by a real terrorist group. However, given the remarkable incompetence of the intelligence agencies and our air defense system, I have concluded that the 19 hijackers had inside help...

...The portrayal of the people on the hijacked planes making cellular phone calls is also a lie. It is impossible to make a private cell phone call when in flight. Try it some time if you don't believe me. And there is a myriad of evidence that leads a sensible conclusion that the hijackers had help from the inside and the trail of those who helped should be those who would have benefited...

"Wake up." - Randi Rhodes.

Gerald Posner argues that

Gerald Posner argues that the Warren Commission properly investigated the assassination of JFK. He claims to have refuted the critics, purports to show what actually occurred, and asserts simple factual answers to explain complex problems that have plagued the subject for years. In the process he condemns all who do not agree with the official conclusions as theories driven by conjectures. At the same time his book is so theory driven, so rife with speculation, and so frequently unable to conform his text with the factual content in his sources that it stands as one of the stellar instances of irresponsible publishing on the subject."

Either Posner is naïve or is a willing supporter of the establishment. Even Congress voted in the late 70s that the assassination of Kennedy was probably a conspiracy and we will probably never know who did it.

this Sheldon dude is right

this Sheldon dude is right on.

Reprehensor, great post.

Reprehensor, great post.

I can't believe Kieth let

I can't believe Kieth let himself get dumb down by that little liar. PLEASE KEITH, WAKE UP.

One more time kids, 911 was a inside job!!!

Think building 7. Silverstein "PULL IT"

Posner is a CIA

Posner is a CIA disinformation asset. They put him all over the controlled tv networks telling everybody that the government makes mistakes, but never covers up criminal conspiracies. Yeah, sure it doesn't. He was caught in a bold faced lie back in 1993, when he told a congressional committee that he had talked to JFK autopsists J. Thornton Boswell, and James Humes, and that they had changed their minds about their low placement of a rear head entry wound in the back of the head, to about four inches higher where it is seen in the phonied autopsy photos. Researcher Dr. Gary Aguilar, interviewed both men, and not only did neither of them change their minds about their original low placement of the rear head wound, but Boswell told Aguilar he had never even spoken to Posner! So much for this shill's credibility. Don't care fo that Olbermann guy either. Another left wing gatekeeper in my opinion.

ps

The autopsist's low placement of a rear head entry wound, low in the back of the head, near the hairline, makes the official Warren Commission single shooter theory impossible. That's why this "meticulous researcher" lyed about the autopsists changing their minds.

Yes Chris & windex, Posner

Yes Chris & windex, Posner smells like a CIA/NeoCon propagandist. His JFK theories are read like CIA garbage.

agree completely.... also

agree completely....

also about olberman

Yes Chris & windex, Posner

Yes Chris & windex, Posner smells like a CIA/NeoCon propagandist. His JFK theories are read like CIA garbage.
Anonymous | 08.04.06 - 6:25 pm | #
Posner also wrote a book on the government killing of MLK, but of course Posner thinks that to was just a "lone nut" as well. fuck Posner.

A step in the righ

A step in the righ direction...but...

"I have concluded that the 19 hijackers were really part of what they believed to be an Al-Qaeda funded operation. All 19 sincerely believed in what they were doing and the operation probably was funded by a real terrorist group."

I really, really doubt that Atta's gambling spree on Abrahoff's yacht was a "last fling" before his "suicide mission". Left his bag at the aiport? Wiht a flight manuel? A list of the "hickers"? Come on now.

I'd like to say "baby steps" but THERE ISN'T MUCH TIME LEFT

hoo boy! i know this is all

hoo boy! i know this is all 'limited hangout' but it's better than what we've had before now...

POUNCE

The majority of the HuffPo

The majority of the HuffPo readers are attacking Drobny in the comments section. That's unusual for Huffington Post readers. This time around, the majority of commenters are clearly uninformed and/or downright stupid. Their comments are so irritatingly naive and arrogant that I cannot even finish reading most of them.

Here's some essay's by

Here's some essay's by Shelly Drobny http://makethemaccountable.com/drobny/

He's straight-forward in his beliefs. Fox News trashed him for exposing the truth about the Bush family Nazi connections and he wrote about the Zionist's agreement with Nazi Germany (both had the same goal).

Shelly is Jewish too.

I truly hope that Rachel,

I truly hope that Rachel, Jerry, Al and Sam take a que from their founder. At least to the extent where they will agree to discuss the topic.

I have personally sent Rachel Maddow dozens of e-mail messages encouraging her to report on the plethora of news issues concerning 9/11.

When she ignored the Kevin Barrett story, they told me she really just doesn't care, so I stopped. Ironically, she never passes up an opportunity to wax poetic on the woes of being a homosexual in the U.S., an issue that is clearly closer to her heart.

I've given up on Rachel, Jerry, Al & Sam. The talkers who are scared to talk about issues that really matter.

Say what you will about Rush, Sean, Glenn and Anne... at least they have balls. Hell, Coulter's got the biggest!

The majority of the HuffPo

The majority of the HuffPo readers are attacking Drobny in the comments section. That's unusual for Huffington Post readers. This time around, the majority of commenters are clearly uninformed and/or downright stupid. Their comments are so irritatingly naive and arrogant that I cannot even finish reading most of them.
MJW | 08.04.06 - 8:11 pm | #

Yeah, MJW, I read thru those comments and noticed the same thing. My guess is that Huffington Post is a bastion of Democrats -- you know, people who still believe the Democrats are the answer and that they'll bring back America and that John Kerry really would have made a difference. And I'm a liberal saying this -- but I'm also awake to 9/11 truth and the entire cover-up by both parties. And, that has led me to some really horrific realizations about the future of this country.

Maybe those Huffington Posters just can't imagine that America has been hijacked by BOTH parties -- it's just too much to stomach.

I like Olbermann allot, and

I like Olbermann allot, and was disappointed by the piece with Posner. Keith seems too smart and too willing to buck the system to not see the inconsistencies so rife in the OV. Maybe I've been suckered in one more time.

My guess is that Huffington

My guess is that Huffington Post is a bastion of Democrats -- you know, people who still believe the Democrats are the answer and that they'll bring back America and that John Kerry really would have made a difference. - CK | Homepage | 08.04.06 - 9:41 pm | #

You're absolutely right. That's exactly what it is and what they are; but I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. There have been a few 9/11-related editorials at Huffington Post in the past half year or more. All of them were either neutral or pro-official-version editorials (Huffington Post has been pretty much a left gatekeeper until this surprising Drobny editorial), yet the vast majority of HP's readers left comments on those editorials stating that they believe 9/11 was an inside job. This is an uncharacteristic reversal. Maybe too many of us have given up on Huffington Post; therefore, only the naive and gatekeeper liberals remain there as their regular readers. I know I only check back every once in a while because they have refused to cover 9/11 from an objective point of view.

Jersey Jay, I personally

Jersey Jay, I personally believe Olbermann is an honest person on a leash controlled by the evil leaders at GE/MSNBC. I'm sure most here would agree with that. It may not be a very tight leash, but it does, nonetheless, have an effective choker on it. Olbermann does what he can, but he knows just how far he can go before they yank his chain pretty violently.

That said, I have been thrilled at his success in getting to interview John Dean regarding his new book, Conservatives Without Conscience, in which neither of them hold back their harsh criticisms of modern republicans, and Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley, who doesn't mince words when he basically calls the Bush regime a dictatorship.

amy goodman had cynthia

amy goodman had cynthia mckinney on her show today and did not mention 9/11 in her intro.

how can you mention cynthia mckinney and not reference her battles with donald duck rumpsmells?

the Dems don't wanna mess w/

the Dems don't wanna mess w/ 9/11 truth cuz its a short walk to OKC truth which happened during Clinton's tenure.

9/11 truth transcends left/right but the lefties will deny this. they say that the righties love "9/11 truth" cuz it makes lefties look like loony consp. theorists. "fREEK sHOW" Shultz said so explicitly when he said that Fox news luvs to have Fetzer on their shows cuz Fetzer is so passionate, etc.

I've said it before, I'll

I've said it before, I'll say it again:
As much as Bush apologists and war supporters are blind, Democrats who
swallow every morsel of the official lie are even more baffling...and dare I say
anathema.

I always find it embarassing when a Liberal tries to back up the official lie, it's like a black man standing for the Klan...that said BOTH conservatives and liberals need to fight for 9/11 Truth.

And yes I do have hope for Weldon.

Sheldon Drobny is quite

Sheldon Drobny is quite wrong when he writes "All 19 sincerely believed in what they were doing and the operation probably was funded by a real terrorist group."

There were no suicide hijackers during the 9/11 attacks: the planes were computer-guided into their targets. Many of the supposed hijackers were U.S. military; indeed, many of them had their legal residences on U.S. military bases. A number of them probably thought they were involved in so-called "anti-terrorism" operations.

If any of them actually were used aboard planes on September 11, 2001, then they probably thought their function was as part of an "anti-terrorism" drill, i.e., playing the role of Arab terrorists in order to test security. Based upon their actions prior to the 9/11 attacks, many of these supposed hijackers were going out of their way to act like crazed, potential terrorists; they clearly knew that they had protection and didn't need to fear arrest.

In original reports (i.e., not simply going off the reports of other news agencies) by Newsweek, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Gannett News Service, the below accused 9/11 hijackers have been named as having trained at U.S. military bases:

Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93)
Ahmed Alnami (United Airlines 93)
Ahmed Alghamdi (United Airlines 175)
Hamza Alghamdi (United Airlines 175)
Mohamed Atta (American Airlines 11)
Abdulaziz Alomari (American Airlines 11)

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Florida: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking U.S. Navy source said that Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmad Alnami (both United Airlines 93) and Ahmed Alghamdi (United Airlines 175) listed their legal residences at 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. Saeed Alghamdi listed the address on two different car registrations. Ahmad Alnami and Ahmed Alghamdi listed the address on their driver licenses. The Washington Post reported that Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi attended. The Washington Post reported that Ahmed Alnami and Hamza Alghamdi (United Airlines 175) listed their legal residence at the same address.

- Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking Pentagon official said one of the named hijackers attended. The Washington Post reported that Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93) graduated from the Defense Language Institute English Language Center at the base. The Los Angeles Times reported that a defense official said two of the hijackers were former Saudi fighter pilots who had attended.

- Maxwell-Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking Pentagon official said one of the named hijackers attended the Air War College. The Washington Post reported that Mohamed Atta (American Airlines 11) graduated from the International Officers School. Gannett News Service reported that Air Force spokesman Col. Ken McClellan said that Mohammed Atta attended the International Officer's School. The Los Angeles Times reported that a defense official said two of the hijackers were former Saudi fighter pilots who had attended the Air War College.

- The Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center at the Presidio of Monterey in Monterey, California: Gannett News Service reported that Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93) attended.

- USAF School of Aerospace Medicine at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas: The Washington Post reported that Abdulaziz Alomari (American Airlines 11) graduated from the school. Gannett News Service reported that Abdulaziz Alomari attended.

U.S. government officals later claimed that these individuals who trained on these U.S. military bases were different people from the hijackers with the same names (even though high-level anonymous U.S. military sources told these various news agencies with certainty that these were the same individuals as the named hijackers). It was also vaguely stated that some of the biographical details didn't match exactly, although the U.S. government has never specified the differences or offered any evidence of these claims. Notably, none of these named U.S. military trainees has ever come forward to clear up the association of their names with those of the purported hijackers, and the U.S. government refuses to release any information about these supposedly differrent individuals.

It's as if none of these supposedly different individuals with the same names even exist. That doesn't make any sense, unless they are not different individuals from the named hijackers, in which case even if they were still alive they wouldn't likely be eager to come forward, nor would the U.S. government be eager to present details as to where they can be found.

See:

"Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases: The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI," George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, Newsweek, September 15, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010917023145/http://www.msnbc.com/news/6295...

http://prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

"Suspected Hijackers: 19 Quiet Lives That Shattered the World; Inquiry: 'Nice,' 'normal' guys had few belongings but access to lots of cash. Tantalizing clues show path to destruction.," H.G. Reza, Evan Halper and Lisa Getter, Los Angeles Times, September 15, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030812100412/http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

"Shared Names for Hijackers," New York Times, September 15, 2001:

http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/nyt091501e.html

http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

"2nd Witness Arrested; 25 Held for Questioning," Guy Gugliotta and David S. Fallis, Washington Post, September 16, 2001; Page A29:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=nation/sp...

"Reconstructing the hijackers' last days: Unusual leads surface; links to bin Laden found," Guy Gugliotta, Washington Post, September 16, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011024161527/http://www.delawareonline.com/...

"Ashcroft asks Congress for expanded police powers as manhunt continues," Ana Radelat, Gannett News Service, September 17, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050205160603/http://www.summeroftruth.org/m...

"Pensacola NAS link faces more scrutiny: Senator seeks answers on hijackers ties to Navy base," Larry Wheeler, Scott Streater and Ginny Graybiel, Pensacola News Journal, September 17, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010923193829/http://www.pensacolanewsjourna...

"Doubt about the identities of the hijackers grows," Ana Radelat and Mike Madden, Gannett News Service, September 20, 2001:

http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2001/09/20/2001092012469.htm

"Pentagon Lied: Terrorists Trained at U.S. Bases," Daniel Hopsicker, MadCowMorningNews, Issue No. 6, October 14, 2001:

http://www.madcowprod.com/issue06.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20011124110050/http://www.madcowprod.com/inde...

Chapter 11, "'Saudi Prince' Mohamed Atta?," in Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker (Walterville, Oregon: TrineDay, 2004):

http://www.american-buddha.com/911.welcometoterrorlandhop6.htm

[Continued in my following post below.]

[Continued from my previous

[Continued from my previous post above.]

Statistal Calculation on the Odds of Arab U.S. Military Trainees Matching the Same Names as the Purported Hijackers, But Without Actually Being the Same People

All of the hijackers matching the names as being U.S. military trainees except for Mohamed Atta were supposedly born in Saudi Arabia (i.e., Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, and Abdulaziz Alomari), with Atta supposedly being born in Egypt. Below is a guide on Arab naming conventions, with particular focus on common Saudi Arabian naming conventions.

"Arab Names," Saudi Public Relations Company (SPRC), ArabNet:

http://www.arab.net/arabnames/index.html

Below is a list of the 100 most common Arab family or tribal names, with population statistics given for them. I'm not sure how accurate the below statistics are, nor does it cite its source for the statistics, but it was the only resource of its kind that I could find online. But even if the list is way off, the analysis that follows will show that the odds of the six named U.S. military trainees being different people from the named hijackers must of necessity be truly staggering. Hence, I use the below list to simply have some starting point to conduct the analysis.

"Arabic Names in the Arab States: The 100 most common Arabic Last Names, including their rank and population (within the Arab States)," Tetradom Limited trading as Pdom.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030413072222/http://www.pdom.com/arabic_nam...

The names Ghamdi, Nami, and Atta all show up on the above list as each being under (or possibly at) 570,000 total Arabs in the world for any one of these surnames (i.e., family names, or tribal names).

The name Omar shows up on the list three times, each time under a different English transliteration, with each entry listed as 620,000 total Arabs in the world with that family name. So to be on the safe side I'll take all of these entries and add them together, for a total of 1,860,000 Arabs in the world with a surname of Omar.

The total population of Arabs in the world is somewhere between 250-300 million people. So to be generous, I'll take that there are 300,000,000 total Arabs in the world. The Arab American Institute estimates that there is possibly a bit over 3.5 million Arabs in the U.S., with more than than 80% being U.S. citizens.

As I don't know what the actual figure is concerning how many Arabs have been trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, for my calculations I'll use the figure that 1 in every 1,000 of the total world's Arab population have trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil. This seems exceedingly generous.

We are now in a position to calculate the odds of six Arabs matching the family or tribal names of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers.

570000 (number of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta) / 300000000 (total number of Arabs in the world) = 0.0019 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta)

1860000 (number of Arabs in the world with the surname of Omar) / 300000000 (total number of Arabs in the world) = 0.0062 (0.62% of the population of Arabs in the world with the surname of Omar)

300000 (total number of Arabs trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil) * 0.0019^5 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta, raised by the power of five, for the five individuals with one of these names) * 0.0062 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta) = 4.60554414 E-11

1 / 4.60554414 E-11 = ~21712960935.8168

Hence, we come to a 1 in 21.7 billion (i.e., U.S. billion) odds that there could be six Arabs matching the surnames of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers.

Keep in mind that this analysis only concerns surnames (i.e., Arab family or tribal names). If one were to do an analysis which included the given names (i.e., first names, the Arab *ism*) along with the surnames, then the odds against six Arabs matching the names of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers, would be many orders of magnitude more improbable. In other words, the actual odds of such an event occuring are many orders of magnitude more improbable than my above calculation.

Also, even if a number of the figures concerning name-populations and/or Arabs trained on U.S. military bases are off by a wide margin, we can still see by this analysis how truly large the odds against these six U.S. military trainees being different people from the named hijackers must be.

Furthermore, bear in mind that there are many different ways to transliterate Arab names into English. Thus, in English, the exact same Arab name could be spelled a number of different ways; but in each case, these various English spellings would be referring to the exact same name in Arabic.

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For more documentation on the purported hijackers which clearly demonstrates that they were not Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc., see the below post by me. It also gets into the fact that the supposed hijackers obviously knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story. Additionally covered is the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to investigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen.

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford jrredford@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

Excuse me, where it reads

Excuse me, where it reads the following the my previous post above:

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0.0062 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta)
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It should read:

""
0.0062 (0.62% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Omar)
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This doesn't affect anything, as the parenthetical comments are simply my explanation of what I'm calculating. This was a copy-and-paste error.

I also had a typo on "Statistal Calculation ...," which should of course read "Statistical Calculation ...."

I've been up all night and I was pretty tired when I wrote the above.

MJW | 08.04.06 - 11:53 pm |

MJW | 08.04.06 - 11:53 pm | #
also lets not forget the show Olbermann did on the administrations fake terror threats. that was the single greatest/effective show to ever appear on cable news. as far as scumbag,MSM talking heads go, hes easily the best. not that thats saying much, but take it for what its worth.

And yes I do have hope for

And yes I do have hope for Weldon.
pockybot | 08.05.06 - 3:44 am | #
you really are a true republican huh? bashing liberals on every thread yet giving conservatives a pass every time.believe me, i know 9/11 is not a partisan issue, but thread after thread you go on about how damaging the liberals are and neglect to point out that liberals have NO POWER in government OR the mainstream media. i think your energy needs to be directed at your own idealogy/party.

chris, i was thinking about

chris, i was thinking about freeway blogging with pocky and then i thought about it and he is way too rightwing for me.. lol..

haha, the guy never misses a

haha, the guy never misses a chance to blame "the liberals". i get it, the leftwing press sucks just like the right does. its all the same, but he still manages to blame the left exclusively.

seriously, check the top 10

seriously, check the top 10 or so threads on this page, and hes bashing "the left" and "liberals" on every single one.

youre a lot like me chris,

youre a lot like me chris, we call it as we see it... its like we didnt have a team before 911.. of course we voted dem but thats just because theyre a little better then the repubs but we are not affraid to call out anyone talking out of their ass...

how many people here at blogger voted for bush???

As Webster Tarpley says, it

As Webster Tarpley says, it IS bizarre how hardcore so many liberals hold onto the official story like their life depends on it. So sad.
pockybot | 08.05.06 - 6:08 am | #

its like, we get it already!!!! HAHAHA!!!! i do agree but he is trying to say something bad about liberals.... is it because he knows that for the most part liberals are the smart ones and they should be able to see the truth easier???

we all need to remember that we are all mindfucked a bit, and some are more than others...

There's a big difference

There's a big difference between a liberal and a radical. A radical is someone who sees the "radical" (core) truth behind an event, person, or ideology and acts to awaken others to it. And a liberal is someone who wants freedom for all while watching CNN and trusting everything spouted from their TV speakers.

thats not what liberal means

thats not what liberal means at all.radical is subjective, but for you to claim liberal=sheep shows you dont know what the word means.

im liberal(for the most

im liberal(for the most part) and i trust NOTHING i see from CNN without verifying it myself and getting the facts they omit. kind of blows your definition of liberal to hell.

From the point of view of

From the point of view of psychoanalysis, liberals are saner and more honest than conservatives on average, less neurotic, far less sadistic. So it is harder for them to imagine how crazy some people in power can be. Liberals are more idealistic because they believe most people could be as generous and as little selfish and narcissistic as they are. They would have to become far less idealistic first, in order to then be able to accept that 9/11 was an inside job.

im living proof that that

im living proof that that isnt always true, but i see your point. too much faith in mankind.

Seder sounded like he was

Seder sounded like he was choking on his own mcous when a caller calmly talked about 9/11 on Friday. Franken, Seder, Springer, Maddow, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Greg Palast, Posner, and Huffington are all Left-Gatekeepers, being funded by their Zionist Masters. Malloy, Rhodes, and Alex Jones got real guts. Ed Shultz is a Big Windbag. A lot of the moderators on Huffington's and Randi Rhodes are Gatekeepers. Even now, with the 9/11 Commission itself saying the government lied, these "Liberals" (excuse me.,...LOLOLOLROTFLMAO!!) are no better than the close-minded Conservatives they so despise.

To me, when you have Rush vs Rachel, Keith vs O'Reilly, Coulter vs herself, you have issues that are very important. I usually side with Liberals on Social Values, but Conservatives on government and money, but 9/11 is beyond party affiliation. I knew on 9/11/01, 10 minutes after the second plane hit, that this was a Mossad/CIA/Neo-Con/Zionist plot.

Ther next phase is for Randi Rhodes and Alex Jones to start comparing notes. Now THAT will be the beginning of the dissolving of the false left vs right.

Don't forget that LIBERAL

Don't forget that LIBERAL means something different in Europe.

The word is used differently.