Plane Impact Time Discrepancies
Corroborating evidence or faulty data? Follow the link for the whole article and post your thoughts below:
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=66268#post66268
What is presented here is no theory. It is factual data of “impact times†from Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University (LDEO) that differs significantly from the actual impact times as given in the 9/11 Commission’s Final Report.
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The data:[“Impact Timesâ€]
LDEO
8:46:26 and 9:02:54[Actual Impact Times]
9/11 Commission
8:46:40 and 9:03:11Respective Differences
14 seconds
17 secondsAfter reflecting upon these timing discrepancies and what they mean, indicting evidence appears that challenges the official explanation. America still owes it to those who perished, and their families and friends, to serve justice on those responsible.
Both impacts are important. This happened twice, and comparing LDEO versus the 9/11 Commission Report, there are similar time disparities (differences of 14 and 17 seconds). Consider these differences as extremely reliable, because when you consider the seismic wave, amplitude, and duration, the dominant period is extremely short and occurs near the beginning of the signal.
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What first caught my eye last week about this was the implausibility of “impact times†by LDEO. I thought, “How can such a huge jet airliner impact WTC1 above the 90th floor and we end up with energy transference traveling all the way down to the earth (even through the massive multi-level sub-basement structure) sufficiently so as to be picked up by LDEO as a seismic spike?†This should not be; energy from the impact should have been mostly absorbed by the building’s immense structure and mass.Then I recalled reading a while back about accounts of people who experienced explosions down in the basements before the planes struck.
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"John knows somebody who
"John knows somebody who died that day, so he doesnt allow it"
That excuse appears to me to be totally bogus. If he knew someone who died that day, he would dig for the truth.
Tarpley's 3rd Edition of
Tarpley's 3rd Edition of "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA" contains numerous eyewitness testimonies that all sorts of bombs blew-up inside the WTC!
In my opinion, there is so
In my opinion, there is so much data, facts, evidences, smoking gun, etc... along with motives and benefits in the other hand that it's a real a wonder no criminal prosecution has already been took about that massive murder. It's just mind-blowing.
Respective Differences 14
Respective Differences
14 seconds
17 seconds
Well that seals it - this is clearly THE smoking gun that proves 9/11 was an inside job....not...
BOOM!!! Count 17
BOOM!!! Count 17 seconds.................... Then a plne hit the tower. Care to explain?
*plane
*plane
Look at the 'fireman's
Look at the 'fireman's video' again and notice the very top floors blowing up when the plane is far below them, looks like it shot a missle into the building right before it hits, also, I don't think it was a 757 either, but it's hard to tell....
I'm curious as to why people
I'm curious as to why people think a missile was shot at the towers just before the planes hit. i've seen several different camera angles and have yet to see any sort of missile loaded onto the planes. care to explain?
Why would a damn missile be
Why would a damn missile be needed anyway? The airliner itself was enough diversion to make it look the the tower fell "due to fire."
This missile junk seems like more deliberate disinfo to make truthers seem wacky.
This missile junk seems like
This missile junk seems like more deliberate disinfo to make truthers seem wacky.
Right on!
Oh, I don't know. Look
Oh, I don't know. Look here, watch the videos read the transcripts:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm
Terrence, still
Terrence, still counting?...........................................
Much like the CGI, hologram,
Much like the CGI, hologram, "cartoon plane" at the WTC was promoted to make truthers look foolish too!
"Much like the CGI,
"Much like the CGI, hologram, "cartoon plane" at the WTC was promoted to make truthers look foolish too!"
Oh, I don't know. There's probably a lot of technology that the military has that we don't know about considering it took 30 years to find out about the SR-71 spy plane. If we are thirty years behind on what we know that the military has developed technologically, it's quite frightening.
IMO, WTC-1, 2, & 7 were
IMO, WTC-1, 2, & 7 were loaded with incendiaries & explosives to bring them down, as the perpetrators knew that airliners alone wouldn't be enough.
Also, it is far too risky for them to have a commercial airliner "shoot a missile" just before it entered the tower.
Much of the timing
Much of the timing surrounding Flight 93 has not been released, or is in dispute. For instance, NORAD maintains the plane crashed at 10:03 [NORAD, 9/18/01, NORAD Testimony, 5/23/03], even though a seismic study commissioned by the US Army determined the plane crashed five seconds after 10:06. [US Army Authorized Seismic Study, Philadelphia Daily News, 9/16/02] Even more mysterious is when, or even if, fighters flew toward Flight 93. NORADÂ’s first timeline failed to give this information, except to say that a fighter was 100 miles or 11 minutes away when Flight 93 crashed into the Pennsylvania countryside. [NORAD, 9/18/01] That means the fighter was traveling about 550 mph. As with the fighters going after Flight 77, that seems strangely slow, considering the first fighters dispatched to New York City an hour earlier flew twice as fast.
Come on. Why use unproven
Come on. Why use unproven CGI cartoons when real airliners or swapped drones are easier & far more realiable?
This kind of information has
This kind of information has been known about for a while.
There's a three minute
There's a three minute difference between the Official Account, and the US Army Authorized Seismic Study for Flight 93.
3 Minutes...
"Come on. Why use unproven
"Come on. Why use unproven CGI cartoons when real airliners or swapped drones are easier & far more realiable?"
How do you know CGI isn't easy?
sure, its easy. without all
sure, its easy. without all the witnesses in NYC(only one of the most crowded cities on the planet).then you have to take into account that ALL of the media is involved, local and national. now i NEVER stick up for the media, but this seems absurd to me, the nothions that the enitre media is in on the "CGI scam", and that somehow the thousands of people in NYC that saw the planes hit the towers are either in on it too, ot all wrong about seeing a plane.lets not forget the large pieces of plane wreckage that was found near the towers.this wasnt like the "evidence" of a plane at the Pentagon, these were huge pieces,obvious pieces of a jumbo jet.all planted huh CGI pushers? i really hope this doesnt open up a CGI debate.
Maybe there were other
Maybe there were other reasons for the Commission to report different times. Maybe it had to do with the whereabouts of certain individuals, or times of orders, etc...
the simple incontrovertible
the simple incontrovertible fact, though, is that the videos and photos of the 2nd hit conflict with each other. See my homepage for examples.
I don't know how to explain it except for CGI.
CGI is a highly PROVEN technology. It's used on TV and in the movies all the time.
Flying planes and hitting large steel buildings with planes is risky. What if they don't go in completely? What if they blow up outside?
Hardly anyone in the media
Hardly anyone in the media had to be in on the CGI scam, anyway. They just needed someone to make the videos and someone who would play them. The talking heads will say what they are told.
Not to mention that some witnesses never saw a plane even though were in a position to see it.
"without all the witnesses
"without all the witnesses in NYC(only one of the most crowded cities on the planet).then you have to take into account that ALL of the media is involved, local and national."
Chris, I'm just saying we don't know what we don't know. That's why I won't rule anything out.
"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover
Ah, no. Quite easy to slam
Ah, no. Quite easy to slam airliners or swapped drones into enormous skyscrapers. Tons of EYEWITNESSES SAW the 2nd plane & captured it on their OWN video.
(By the way, are you CGI frauds with Raytheon or one of our other purveyors of death who make huge $$$ from perpetual war? You must be shitting bricks lately.)
Do you Raytheon vermin feel
Do you Raytheon vermin feel sad when your weapons mutilate & kill children?
This may be
This may be interesting..
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2965
Maybe the frauds are the
Maybe the frauds are the ones who won't allow themselves to consider possibilities.
Don't engage the cgi
Don't engage the cgi people!Any one on these boards long enough ,should know about this type of divide and conquer bullshit.It's supremely suspect when someone takes a real thread and pushes cgi/holograms.As I've said here a hundred times ,all it takes is a cursory look into the science of holography ( or optics for that matter) to see that these claims are ludicrous.Distraction crap!You should be ashamed of yourself for polluting threads with it. Unless of course you are raytheon , and that is your job.
"all it takes is a cursory
"all it takes is a cursory look into the science of holography."
Show me some of the top secret stuff they're working on over there at the skunworks would you so I can determine this for myself.
'skunworks':yea and they
'skunworks':yea and they might have used a time machine too! you don't know!Why don't you ask your freind spooke? He probably knows. Seriously though folks , I think this seismic data could be used against them one day in a court of law.
"they might have used a time
"they might have used a time machine too!"
Now that's the hyperbole that we really need around here. Way to go! Bravo! Bravo!
...always struggling, always
...always struggling, always having it backwards.. :-)
The seismic time discrepancy cleary proves, that there was no plane hitting the South Tower. Simple. Clean.
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
Saturday, August 05, 2006
Another amateur footage shows no plane hit South Tower (08/05)
This is a clip from the CameraPlanet 9/11 Archive.
Fast forward to 6:00, 6:10.
A sudden explosion in the South Tower, but no plane visibly hit the Tower. Also the amateur camera operator doesn't comment on any plane. (Furthermore several zooms into North Tower, no aircraft visible either)
"Guy filming f/aparment right after North Tower hit then right after South tower"
CameraPlanet
7 min 28 sec - May 4, 2003
Compare with non-live U.S. Mainstream TV footage, similar perspective
(click on thumbnail #3):
(Source: Killtown's 2nd hit Collection)
Compare with yet another amateur video, same perspective, explosion, no plane:
Shot from right below North Tower, North tower burning
02:14
Woman: That was the other building, wasn't it?
Other Person: I can't tell
Woman: I was worried about it
Voice on TV: "...A second explosion..."
05:02
Woman: "..What??!! They say it was a second plane? How come...? What is going on? Donald...?"
The seismic time discrepancy
The seismic time discrepancy cleary proves, that there was no plane hitting the South Tower. Simple. Clean.
Ah, no again. Try plane & explosives!
Same thing with the time
Same thing with the time changes of flight UA175
From NORAD timsesheet released on sept 18, 2001:
United Airlines Flight 175
Itsaputon--no Youraputon!
Itsaputon--no Youraputon!
FAA Notification to NEADS
FAA Notification to NEADS 0843 (8:43 AM)
From the commission report:
Military Notification and Response. The first indication that the NORAD air defenders had of the second hijacked aircradt, United 175, came in a phone call from New York Center to NEADS at 9:03.
A 20 minute differental. A lot can happen in 20 minutes.
The kudos should go to you
The kudos should go to you 'puton' for summoning nico so quick for backup!;)
Maybe the frauds are the
Maybe the frauds are the ones who won't allow themselves to consider possibilities.
Itsaputon | 08.06.06 - 12:27 pm | #
How about I considered the possibility and then, dismiss it for being non sense...
this discrepancy is
this discrepancy is significant to me and others, but i can't see it making any difference to the average citizen.
The seismic data is tangible
The seismic data is tangible , factual . It can be corroborated . Why not focus on something like this rather than something pundits like Gibson can spin as quackery?
Drop the hologram thing.
Drop the hologram thing. I've made 100's of them over the years, written refereed scientific papers on the subject, and think these more exotic explanations of 9/11 are pure disinformation. Go ask another physicist like Steven Jones about this issue, and I'll bet he'll laugh at you.
Just somehow fly a couple planes into a couple big buildings, demolish them, and you then have instant terrorism. No holograms, CGI, missles, pods, or garden gnomes are necessary.
These time discrepancies are indeed interesting. William Rodrigez has always said that he heard the basement explosion a few seconds *before* he heard the plane hit. I guess they pushed the button too soon in all the excitement.
I see what you mean
I see what you mean dislocator. I'm talking about trial time at the hague .I think we should offer 911 perps immunity for coming forward with the truth.
If they refuse to divulge everything they should be turned over to an international court for war crimes.Healing the nation is worth more than our revenge.
Thank you Kevin , refreshing
Thank you Kevin , refreshing to hear some sense on that subject.Rodriguez would make the BEST WITNESS , backed up with the seismic data , and his freinds who were present , one of whom had the skin of his arms hanging off him from an explosion below.Maybe this is why disinfo is so active.Where is that guy today ?I s he in contact with William?
The goal of pods, holograms,
The goal of pods, holograms, missiles, drones and swapped planes is to keep you guys busy while they continue to get away with it.
Wake up, change the subject and refuse to participate.
Just somehow fly a couple
Just somehow fly a couple planes into a couple big buildings, demolish them, and you then have instant terrorism. No holograms, CGI, missles, pods, or garden gnomes are necessary.
Exactly! Simple, yet provides astonishing "shock & awe" to spawn your campaign to take-over the world!
>>Rodriguez would make the
>>Rodriguez would make the BEST WITNESS
He would if he hadn't testified to the commission that he saw the hijackers scoping out the WTC a month ahead of time.
I just had it out with
I just had it out with C&L...
I posted this...
Remember this?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/07/olbermann-slams-coulter-s...
Well it appears the widows have something to say.
And you will LISTEN
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Group_of_widows_claim_911_Independent_0804.html
I must have posted it 30x before they banned me. They would delete it, and I would post it. Bastards.
C&L is pure scum. and i dont
C&L is pure scum. and i dont buy the excuse that "John knows somebody who died that day, so he doesnt allow it". a moderator there actually used that excuse. i wish i would have saved it. screw C&L.
thats exactly what i said,
thats exactly what i said, right before they banned me, hahaha.
anyone remember this
anyone remember this bullshit? this guy is a true asshole, takes the typical-"but thousands of people would have to know" line. some people dont understand comparmentalization.:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
That excuse is used
That excuse is used constantly by people who refuse to look at the truth.
i dont endorse this article,
i dont endorse this article, but its VERY interesting:
Israel Fights For Survival As United States Exacts Punishing Retribution For 9/11 Attacks
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers
Though this present Middle East War is being depicted by the US Propaganda Media Organs as being between the democratic state of Israel and its “terrorist” neighbors, there lies just beneath the surface of these current events the retribution the American Military Leaders are exacting against Israel for their unprovoked attack upon the Americans on September 11, 2001, and which were directed against the Americans by the former Israeli Prime Minister, and War Criminal, Arial Sharon, and who now lies in a deep coma, near death, in Israel today as a ‘sacrifice’ to the American Military Leaders seeking revenge for his orders to attack the United States.
Not being either reported, or more importantly understood, by the American people themselves, is how deep the hatred of the present American Military Leaders towards Israel has grown, and not just due to IsraelÂ’s attack upon the United States on September 11, 2001, in order to secure American backing for the elimination of both Syria and Iran, but also because of IsraelÂ’s nearly dead War Criminal Prime Minster SharonÂ’s deliberate provocation in breaking the American brokered peace plan for the Palestinian peoples.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index938.htm
yeah sbg, he also takes
yeah sbg, he also takes another usual line with-"but the government would have killed him, and never would have allowed it to stay on the internet". yeah, i guess that wouldnt look too suspicious or anything.
by 2008 2/3rds of Americans
by 2008 2/3rds of Americans will beleive 911 was an inside job , if we keep the ball rolling. Telecommunications technology will outstrip govt. attempts to conduit and control it.Imagine someone asks you about 911 on the street, or anywhere.Wirelessly Download video of building7 and audio of witnesses to explosions , and project it on the side of a near by building for all to see.The technology exists for this ,and as some have noted , the scholars symposium could use some projected graphics.
OT , When will Schultz
OT , When will Schultz crack?
OT , When will Schultz
OT , When will Schultz crack?
Colin Alexander | 08.06.06 - 3:00 pm | #
when CNN tells him its ok to.
Re: and similar
Re: and similar comments...
Once one gets deep enough down this rabbit hole, the masonic numerology aspect of it becomes very apparent. This clearly orchestrated event is riddled with such numerology, as are most agenda stories in the press.
All other staggering coincidences aside, it does seem like yet anotherstaggering coincidence that Flight 93 would have impacted the ground and caused that huge tiny crater at 10:03:11 -- exactly an hour to the second after Flight 175 impacted the WTC2 at 9:03:11. Figure the odds of that and divide that by 60 to get the chances that those times ended in "11".
Never mind the (ignore the zeros) the common thread of 13 (10:03 and 175) and 93 (9:03 and 93), both significant numbers to the elite Freemasons. These examples may seem too subtle until you do some reading.
It's no easier a door to walk through that the truth of 9-11 is, but unless you are able to continually discount statistical probability as "whatever", the patterns will become obvious to the point of blatant and insulting.
If you've got the heart and bandwidth, do some reading and you'll see what I mean. But keep in mind that you can't un-ring this bell either.
Re: "by 2008 2/3rds of
Re: "by 2008 2/3rds of Americans will beleive 911 was an inside job , if we keep the ball rolling. Telecommunications technology will outstrip govt. attempts to conduit and control it.Imagine someone asks you about 911 on the street, or anywhere.Wirelessly Download video of building7 and audio of witnesses to explosions , and project it on the side of a near by building for all to see.The technology exists for this ,and as some have noted , the scholars symposium could use some projected graphics."
For now why not just fill your briefcase and cargo pants pockets with DVD's? Bulk-produced DVD's in cardboard sleeves ought to be pretty cheap by now. Just a thought for both of us.
About Schultz cracking: Keep
About Schultz cracking:
Keep trying. I've managed to exchange a couple emails with him in the last few days.
Try a soft sell, because he seems to flip out whenever confronted with too much (on Wed's show, he flipped out about Fetzler's panel statement).
I'm trying things like the standdown, the insider trading, and the WTC7 collapse. I don't antagonize him and he's listening a bit. It would be great if he and his audience could learn to question 9/11.
His own website's poll went (69%/31%) '9/11 inside job' last week. That was stunning. Has he commented on it yet?
Kevin, I didn't hear it
Kevin, I didn't hear it myself, but I read here that Schultz commented the poll saying number of votes being higher than usual, probably the conspiracy nuts made it turn that way. The poster then suggest that maybe, this demonstrate instead a high interest in the matter from Schultz's audience.
I'm curious if anyone's done
I'm curious if anyone's done this same study by looking at the time of the collapses. Do we know an exact collapse time, and if so, does it match with the LDEO? Maybe it's off my 9sec like in loose change when chance r.a was filming her documentary, the tripod shakes 9 sec before the tower collapses.
Come on. Why use unproven
Come on. Why use unproven CGI cartoons when real airliners or swapped drones are easier & far more realiable?
Anonymous | 08.06.06 - 11:41 am |
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why they didn't use planes
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and that somehow the thousands of people in NYC that saw the planes hit the towers
1000's of eyewitlesses? produce one.
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lets not forget the large pieces of plane wreckage that was found near the towers..... these were huge pieces,obvious pieces of a jumbo jet
wow did those huge pieces break off of the plane as it entered the tower and fall to the street below or did they pass all the way thru the tower and out the other side or were they perhaps trapped in the tower when the tower dissolved or were they planted there ahead of time?
come on genius. look at the photos of the huge pieces. you should be able to answer my question just by looking at the pristine condition of these huge obvious pieces of a jumbo jet. by the way a 747 is a jumbo jet, not a 767.
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Chris, that site looks weird
Chris, that site looks weird and a bit new-age- fruit-and-nut, but it sure has got me wondering.
I remember Sander Hicks saying anti-semitism was big in the neocons.
Is this what Eric Hufschmid is trying to say ? he has got it back to front in that case.
It does sort of make sense
It does sort of make sense in a strange way.
1000's of eyewitlesses?
1000's of eyewitlesses? produce one.
Come on, after the 1st tower was struck, thousands were looking up at it & the 2nd tower when drone #2 hit.
thousands were looking up
thousands were looking up at it & the 2nd tower when drone #2 hit.
well then you should have no problem producing one!
what witnesses?
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drone #2? cool.
you know that the hole in wtc2 was a little smaller than a 767, right? so that means that a real 767 couldn't have made that hole because if an aluminum 767 with a plastic nosecone could even make a hole in wtc2's massive steel columns it would've made a giant gaping maw of a hole, not a smaller than a 767 plane-shaped cut out like yosemitesam would make. see what i'm saying? yet what we saw on TV was a 767 with bogus wing angles portrayed under a lighting situation that didn't click with the location of the sun at that time, slipping thru the side of the tower like a ghost without ANY of it including the wingtips breaking off or ANY part of it even slowing down. not even slightly.
the IMAGES of 175 that we saw on TV were false. regardless of whatever really hit the tower or not.
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sorry, my point is: even if
sorry, my point is:
even if wtc2 was struck by a remote drone #2, it was masked on the videos by a cartoon like image of a 767. and not even a good image at that.
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Mr. Ha, do you work for
Mr. Ha, do you work for Raytheon?
no why did they make drone
no why did they make drone #2?
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wait which one was drone #2
wait which one was drone #2 again? ha ha. how did a 767 that we all saw on tv fit thru this hole?
I put my money on
I put my money on nico.
first
911 = inside job. There can be no doubt. Too many smoking gnus.
second:
too many loud-mouths. Even Tarpley, who should know better, says: THERE WERE TWO AA11 ... My guess is: rubbish!
third:
Yes, it *is* important to know HOW IT WAS DONE... It helps to think like the perps:
a) towers collapse, people killed, big conflagration = enough MOMENTUM to blackmail the gov to catapult the propaganda HENCE EXPLOSIVES IN TOWERS = operation DOWN-TROW
*** b) fake what caused it all. OPERATION BUMSTEER Here it is easiest to use electronic PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT technology. Flight-radar-blip-inputs, simulations, and yes, Computer Graphics
c) cover up afterwards... harvest the results in Oil and Air-Bases... set up BANKS (Iraqi Import Export Bank) that can print more money to cover up the "lost" money and replenish the bribe-coffers... blah blah.
*** is the most interesting part.
Nico Haupt's cartoon planes
Nico Haupt's cartoon planes at the WTC is disinfo to make the truth movement look foolish.
This whole thread is about a
This whole thread is about a government-friendly disinformative 911blogger blog post about "the planes" -- as if we could take the government's word for what hit the buildings and the PA ground (news flash: we can't!).
People should worry less about looking foolish (when they resorted to using exotic weapons to carry out the 9/11 illusions, the perpetrators intentionally used that worry against us in advance; now fake 9/11 truthers working for the government are using it against us in the present), and more about not engaging in false arguments over the fictitious elements of The Big Lie of 9/11, lest we give creedence to the government fiction about "hijacked airplanes".
i dont endorse this article,
i dont endorse this article, but its VERY interesting:
Israel Fights For Survival As United States Exacts Punishing Retribution For 9/11 Attacks
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index938.htm
Chris | Homepage | 08.06.06 - 2:14 pm | #
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Inquiring minds want to know: who is Sorcha Faal?