Veterans for 9/11 Truth Banned from Camp Hypocrisy

http://www.v911t.org/CampHypoc.php

Veterans for 9/11 Truth requested more information about the upcoming Camp Democracy events in Washington, D.C. beginning September 5, 2006. Our goal was to tell the Truth about 9/11 to these people who advocate peace. The Veterans for 9/11 Truth are banned, from Camp Hypocrisy.

V911T Email to Camp Democracy 08/02/2006:

Hi, I am co-founder of Veterans for 9/11 Truth. I am interested in the $100 covers tabling Sept. 5 - 21, the entire camp.

This paragraph, "Note Regarding Tabling:" on the page campdemocracy.org/organization seems to say that some handouts and literature etc could be prohibited. I would like that clarified before we get the table if you could please.

Thank you, Alfons

Response from Camp Democracy 08/04/2006:

Hi - Thanks for writing.
The Camp, by a decision of its steering committee, is not including 9/11 conspiracy themes, and is not accepting sponsorship from 9/11 conspiracy groups. 9/11 conspiracy materials may not be sold, or given away for a donation, at the event.

Best wishes,
Charlie Jenks

V911t Reply to Camp Democracy 08/05/2006:

Dear Mr. Jenkins,

First, we are not a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, we are a 9/11 Truth Group. If you want to send an email to a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, I think their email is whitehouse@whitehouse.gov

I am very surprised that you are banning speech about 9/11 Truth. Is there something that you don't understand about the freefall collapse of Building 7, or the bombs in the WTC towers? If we can help you to understand the evidence we will be more than happy to help.

I feel that Camp Democracy owes an explanation to us, and the people of America. Can you please explain your book burning/banning posture?

Respectfully, Alfons v911t

here is a link to a video

here is a link to a video from bill moyers' new show....

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/watch_atwood.html

Margaret Atwood wrote the book a handmaids tale... its a lot like 1984... she knows whats going on and talks with bill moyers in that clip...

If this is their policy,

If this is their policy, HOW DARE THEY schedule their event to coincide with the fifth anniversary? This is seriously pissing me off.

Yeah, Margaret Atwood really

Yeah, Margaret Atwood really had it nailed when it came to the digitalization of money. When anonymous cash is gone, and your liquid assets are all in the form of zeros and ones, you are screwed.

Wow, there is something

Wow, there is something really sick in banning 9/11 truth in and around Sept 11, 2006 in Washington, D.C.!!! What the hell is going on with this??? I don't get it???

As the founder of Cincy 9/11

As the founder of Cincy 9/11 Truth I just emailed Camp Democracy expressing our interest in participating in their upcoming event.

I would urge that others do the same in an attempt to show the strength and determination of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

I've left the following

I've left the following email at their website...

Good afternoon,

Please reconsider your position toward Veterans for 9/11 Truth.

I have just become aware of Camp Democracy and was appalled at what has been reported as its steering committee's decision to turn a blind eye to the role 9/11 has played in fomenting endless war and more war around the globe.

Surely Camp Democracy's steering committee is not so unintelligent to not realize that American criminals inside the U.S. government played a role in aiding and abetting 9/11 (if not indeed planning it). Surely its members are aware of WTC 7 and the insistence by the U.S. government that its collapse was NOT a controlled demolition. Surely its members are aware that WTC 1 & 2 came down at just about free-fall speed with scientific characteristics of explosives used to cause the destruction.

If your efforts are to promote peace and democracy, you will probably not go too far if you insist on mocking Americans who are aware that something far more sinister occurred on 9/11 than what has been reported. Indeed,
most people who are not willing to look at all that facts DO NOT WANT TO KNOW what really happened. It is painful. But, if true liberty and freedom are to survive and thrive, the truth about 9/11 MUST be revealed.

Cordially,

-TS

hi i have a question...

hi i have a question... did the insurance companies of the world trade center got paid by the government too? would that explain why even though Larry Silverstein acknowledged to the demolition... they still paid Larry his billion dolar insurance pay out?

Anonymous | 08.05.06 - 3:07

Anonymous | 08.05.06 - 3:07 pm

It's certainly plausible. I don't know if there's any conclusive proof of that (correct me if I'm wrong).

However, given how the government has been hemorrhaging money for the past few years, it could certainly have been arranged without anyone noticing.

They also bailed out the airlines after 9-11 and paid off a large number of the families.

It is my belief that the

It is my belief that the anti-war groups and Cindy Sheehan groups have been infiltrated to ensure they don't take on the Inside Job fight. When I hear "Steering Committee", I know that there is a select few making these types of decisions for an entire group of activists.

We go it alone, there are no more dedicated Activists than 9/11 Truth Activists, thats for damn sure.

SBG, the fact that this is

SBG, the fact that this is to take place on 9/11 leaves no doubt in my mind that you are absolutely correct in saying these major anti-war groups have been infiltrated. the day i saw Sheehan was to be in D.C. on 9/11 was the moment i knew she had been duped/comprimised.

This is on st911's site.

This is on st911's site. Does this mean the results are almost ready???

10 August 2006
Interview: Steve Jones will be the guest on
"Non-Random Thoughts" with host Jim Fetzer
11 AM to 1 PM/CT (Noon-2 PM/ET and 9-11 AM/PT)
Non-Random Thoughts, live page, archive, (mp3-1), (mp3-2)

Here are some articles

Here are some articles regarding Marvin Bush and the insurance companies and of course Securacom.

Marvin P. Bush sits on the board of the company that ran security for the World Trade Center:
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George W. Bush's younger brother, Marvin P. Bush, sat on the board of Securacom, the security firm for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines.
From: The American Reporter - January 20, 2003
SECRECY SURROUNDS A BUSH BROTHER'S ROLE IN 9/11 SECURITY

Two planes hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001 were United Airlines planes, and another took off from Dulles International Airport; two, of course, slammed into the World Trade Center. But the Bush Administration has never disclosed the ties of a presidential brother and the Bush family with the firm that intersected the weapons and targets on a day of national tragedy....The White House opposed an independent commission to investigate 9/11 until after the terrorism insurance protections and protections for security companies had safely passed Congress. It has also quietly intervened in lawsuits against United Airlines in New York, brought by relatives of the victims...As with the World Trade Center - which also had electronic badging, security gates, and CCTV - the ultimate problem with Dulles' security controls was not the controls themselves, but that they could be sidestepped. All the hijackers had to do was buy a ticket. As former FAA special agent Sullivan comments, "If they [attackers] knew about the security system, they knew how to bypass it." ... But the suggestion is inescapable that any investigation into security arrangements preceding 9/11, at some of the nation's most sensitive facilities, has been impeded to this day by narrowly political concerns in the White House.

Sources:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2004/05C1-0...

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3336.htm

http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-02/articles/10292-1.html

http://www.populist.com/03.07.burns.html

Mounting Public Opinion

Mounting Public Opinion Forces Fox into Retreat
Disbelief Caused by Bush 'Hatred' Say 'No Spin' News Heads Descending Deeper into the Defensive

Aaron Dykes/ JonesReport.com | August 4, 2006

The campaign to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement has gone from manageable to desperate for the administration. The push for more evidence had been dammed up by the premise of the Moussoui Trial. But since its completion, pressure has forced an ever-defensive government to dole out evidence.

So, we have seen the handled release of more Pentagon footage and now, the release of some of the NORAD recordings from 9/11. Fox News has had on many guests regarding 9/11 since the Pentagon footage was released, including 9/11 Scholars for Truth members James Fetzer, the founder, and Kevin Barrett, whose un-tenured teaching position has come under attack.

Both scholars raised questions that Fox News couldn't fully address, but Fox was still able to maintain the catch all defense summed up in the label "Conspiracy Theorist."

But now the Bush administration's parrot has been forced to descend deeper into the circles of illogical defense-- showing the forced hand in trying to suppress information about the truth of the September 11 attacks.

The recent Scripps-Howard/Ohio State Poll found that 1/3 of the American public "suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East."

Fox News, then, must hobble backwards over itself in the name of damage control.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/040806_fox_retreat.html

Fox News would love to

Fox News would love to really believe that sentiment and rhetoric are still the controlling devices behind the shifting public belief on 9/11. Unfortunately for Fox and the remainder of complicit mainstream media, the debate is being driven by evidence that cannot or is not being refuted by those in government in a position to do so.

Unfortunately for the criminal elements in and around the government who actually attacked the United States on 9/11, the truth of that evidence is coming out-- it is only a matter of time.

Hatred for Bush may be one of the consequences, but it is not the cause of public opinion on 9/11. This excuse will only bide time.

http://www.legitgov.org/index

http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

Simulated nuclear explosion planned for Hawaii in mid-August 11 Jul 2006 (HI)

The state plans to hold an exercise [before they "go live?"] in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor, a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties. Several hundred state and military planners and first responders will take part Aug. 14 to 16 in "Exercise 'A Kele." The Department of Homeland Security about two years ago developed 15 national planning scenarios, including simulating an "improvised nuclear device" explosion.

cindy sheehan is a political

cindy sheehan is a political operative

No one can ban free speech.

No one can ban free speech. I'm out in Cali, I wish I was going to DC or NYC! Get on your bullhorns like Alex Jones. Get a 9/11 Truth member to infiltrate their steering committee. Just get there no matter what. They have no right to ban 9/11 discussion on 9 fucking 11!!!

While I'm writing a letter

While I'm writing a letter to Camp Democracy myself, this seems all the more reason for us to be in NYC watching Loose Change 3 ;)

ouch cindy sheean has lost

ouch cindy sheean has lost my respect entirely. This is left gate keeping at its finest.

its hard for me to understand how 1/2 of a typical anti war protest is allowed to be a pro palestinian rally, but 9/11 truth is taboo?

I personally think it's a

I personally think it's a better idea to be in New York anyway. I also think that, if possible, a HUGE gathering take place there. Nobody will understand how big the Truth Movement is without seeing thosands, hopefully hundreds of thousands, of people standing together.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING A

YOU GUYS ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB!!!

THE FRONT PAGES OF MAJOR AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS

FOX IS RUNNING SCARED

VETERANS FOR 911TRUTH BLATANTLY SHOWING THE HYPOCRISY OF 'CAMP DEMOCRACY'(maybe yall should go there anyway!)

THE ZEITGEIST OF ALL TALK RADIO IN AMERICA
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you all are doing the spirits of the victims a wonderful service

THE CONSTITUTION WILL PREVAIL!!

Amen to that

Amen to that Randkiller999!

I hope there are a million people in NY. I am bringing 3 others with me. If everyone that wanted to go, brought 3 others, by car, train, bus, or plane...there would definately be 1 Million there, how awesome would that be?

I hope everyone will be bringing signs "seeloosechange.com", "911truth.org", "Impeach Cheney/Bush", etc and be wearing the..."Investigate 9/11, Loose Change" shirts...

All 4 of us will be, and I can't wait...one is a 15yr Police Officer from Mass. After all, some of his brothers and sisters were murdered!

Can't wait for that, oh , and of course camera's and a camcorder, in case the fed's try to pull any B.S.

DONT FORGET TO BRING YOUR CAMCORDERS!!

Ronnied
www.487ptown.com

OH HELLLLL NO. This is

OH HELLLLL NO. This is fucking war. My respect for the anti war liberal crowd, as if it wasnt bad enough with that tool Cindy Sheehan, is down the toilet. EVERYONE should email them asking why THEIR IRAQ WAR CONSPIRACIES are "ok", and why they chose 9/11 to pull their stunts? THIS is the most infuriating shit I've read all week, WAY more infurtiating that fox news.

Sorry, anti war liberals who call us nuts are WORSE than neocon Bush supporters in my book. Traitors.

You cannot pick the date

You cannot pick the date 9/11 to not talk about 9/11. Mrs. Sheehan, no matter what you may think this is our time for discussion.

Guys this is a non-problem.

Guys this is a non-problem. In fact, we want "problems" like this. It shines more light on the movement.

The only way it could be better is if the police actually try and separate the 9/11 Truth marchers from the Camp Hypoc marchers.

If my knowledge of human nature is on point, this will only result in more Truthers showing up IN FORCE!

Hell, I'm even thinking about making the trek now!!!

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!!!

There is NO doubt that the

There is NO doubt that the anti war (bowel) movement has been thoroughly infiltrated. What better way to make the liberals look like idiots than by having Michael Moore and Cindy freaking Sheehan be their spokespeople. I'm GLAD Sheehan aint for 9/11 truth. The real story of her HAS BEEN A LIE(she wasnt even in contact with her son, and he was a proud soldier who was for the war) Talk about skewing the facts, and they call US conspiracy theorists?

I find it frightening I find myself agreeing more and more with the right wingers about the anti war liberal crowd....despite the fact neocon supporters are still the enemy.

Of course, UNLIKE the left, I say
BOTH Republicans, Democrats and everyone in between needs to join the 9/11 activist movement. For the left, they only want leftists in their anti war movement. Im sorry, I dont like or support communism.

Wow this makes me mad.

Wow this makes me mad. Heres my letter I wrote them.

How can you in good conscience call your event camp democracy when you plan to censor who's allowed to come to your event. Why won't you let the Veterans for 9/11 Truth attend your event? Did the NIST release an explanation for the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 that I am not aware of? They were already paid to do this so I would hope that they have finally explained to the American taxpayers why this 47 story skyscrapper collapsed in 6.5 seconds into its own footprint. Why is it that a liberal organization would practice tactics used by the Neo-Cons? Remember the lack of any debate before the Iraq war started? Was that democracy? Is cencorship Democracy? Please explain how you can celebrate democracy by acting like facists. Good Day.

Andy White

Of course, UNLIKE the left,

Of course, UNLIKE the left, I say
BOTH Republicans, Democrats and everyone in between needs to join the 9/11 activist movement. For the left, they only want leftists in their anti war movement. Im sorry, I dont like or support communism.
pockybot | 08.05.06 - 6:17 pm | #

youre a joke... all you do is talk shit about liberals or the left...

dont try to act like the truth movement is full of ringwingers... its mostly liberals and dems... not that it matters but the way you attack the left every chance you get gets real old...

pocky, see the threads below

pocky, see the threads below you republican shill.

the dickhead is on EVERY

the dickhead is on EVERY fucking thread harping on "the left". without "the left" you would have NO OPPOSITION WHATSOEVER to things like domestic spying, the patriot act, illegal wars etc. so get a fucking clue.

And yes I do have hope for

And yes I do have hope for Weldon.
pockybot | 08.05.06 - 3:44 am | #
you really are a true republican huh? bashing liberals on every thread yet giving conservatives a pass every time.believe me, i know 9/11 is not a partisan issue, but thread after thread you go on about how damaging the liberals are and neglect to point out that liberals have NO POWER in government OR the mainstream media. i think your energy needs to be directed at your own idealogy/party.
Chris | Homepage | 08.05.06 - 10:13 am | #
nothing worse than a Bush hating liberal who believes the official 9/11 theory.
pockybot | 08.04.06 - 8:24 am | #

at least they dont support his other crimes...
inside | 08.04.06 - 12:36 pm | #
exactly. pocky repeatedly fails to see that. he jumps at every chance to bash "those damn liberals". at least "those damn liberals" protest the majority of this governments crimes.without the help of the conservative/corporate MSM.
Chris | Homepage | 08.04.06 - 1:29 pm | #
pocky, you might wanna check the other threads before you get all typical on us.

dont you get it pocky, the

dont you get it pocky, the majority of the mainstream media is conservative, they are on your side(as far as ideology goes).i dont know what you expect from "the left" as you see it. liberals have NO POWER. not in the media, not in politics, not anywhere.that is by design.yet you come on each and every thread and cry over how mad you are at liberals. why not direct that hate towards someone with power? i dont know, say, our rightwing congress and white house.you act like if C&L,The Nation and Al Franken all of a sudden say "9/11 was an inside job", the flood gates are gonna open. news flash, the media would try to kill their careers and make them look like kooks(Charlie Sheen anyone?Cynthia McKinney?). why is that pocky? could it be because the media is corporate/conservative friendly?

and for the record, i am NOT

and for the record, i am NOT a democrat. i shill for no party. im not even liberal on all issues. its not that simple. but this endless bashing of liberals as if they have any real power is a joke.

the mainstream media is

the mainstream media is conservative/corporate.i dont know why you come on here and bash leftwing commentators and media with NO POWER instead of bashing the rightwing press that has ALL the power to frame the debate.

It's the leftgatekeepers

It's the leftgatekeepers holding progress, truth and justice for the 9/11 families. Whereas the Bush apologists tell us about WMD's in Iraq and believe every word of Fox, the Liberals who ATTACK US, and call us "conspiracy nuts" THEMSELVES promote conspiracy theories(Iraq war lies, stole elections, etc) Hypocrites of the highest order, and I have nothing but venom for those that claim to be progressive yet ignore the truth.
pockybot | 08.03.06 - 4:47 pm | #
that is from a post 2 days ago. once again we see proof of pockys ENDLESS campaign against the "evil liberals". again pocky, they have no power. you can stop the endless bashing of "the left" now. its ridiculous.save your venom for those that actually have power and are damaging this country. not that it matters,(except maybe to blind partisans like yourself), but it just so happens that most of those people are conservative.in the media, and in the government, the majority of those ruining this country happen to be conservative.

Aug. 4, 2006 — A tiny

Aug. 4, 2006 — A tiny little movie making fun of Al Gore, supposedly made by an amateur filmmaker, recently appeared on the popular Web site YouTube.com.

At first blush, the spoof seemed like a scrappy little homemade film poking fun at Gore and his anti-global warming crusade.

In the movie, Gore is seen boring an army of penguins with his lecture and blaming global warming for everything, including Lindsay Lohan's thinness.

But when the Wall Street Journal tried to find the guy who posted the film "Al Gore's Penguin Army" — listed on YouTube as a 29-year-old — they found the movie didn't come from an amateur working out of his basement.

The film actually came from a slick Republican public relations firm called DCI, which just happens to have oil giant Exxon as a client.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2273111&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

see what important things your party is busy doing pocky? trying to deny science. oh wait, you think global warming is fake too huh? your in good company. with Exxon and James Inhofe, hahahaha.

This is the very reason we

This is the very reason we must not go to NY, but rather DC. They fear our presence in the nations capital, because of the spark it could ignite.
When we have more numbers then them, the gatekeepers of the left will be forced to deal with this issue.

If we go to New York in mass numbers they will simply ignore us, or instigate clashes between us and 911 family membres. If we protest on the doors of the establishment, our voices will have to be heard.

Cindy sheehan and the rest of the so called leftist political activists must be put in their place. They must be crushed into oblivion, and if we go to NY we will give those who hide 911 truth exactly what they want.

Wow, so bashing the right is

Wow, so bashing the right is ok, but not the left? I see.

Then again, bashing Pentagon theories is not acceptable either, as well as bashing theories already debunked.

As long as we continue to put hope in all 9 /11 theories instead of strengthening the ones we know to be fullproof, and consider to see hope in EITHER the left and the right wholly,
no progress can be made.

And I aint th eonly one bashing th eleft...Webster Tarpley and BArry Zwicker have some excellent points on the left.

Not to mention, it's the left crying incompetence, and that need to hold onto that. We already know the right is corrupt, so why beat a dead horse?
All Im saying is a Democrat or Liberal who hates the neocons but believes the official story is like a black man for the Klan.

way to miss the point pocky.

way to miss the point pocky. im sure you'll continue your jihad on "the left" endlessly from thread to thread and continue to miss the point.Tarpley and Zwicker dont bash liberals like you, they bash leftwing gatekeepers. huge difference. Zwicker is the man, and ive been waiting for a book on the medias failure in regards to 9/11. his book is about ALL media, but it should be noted Zwicker himself is liberal and read that list of left gatekeepers because he has hope in them unlike the right. your republican ass doesnt get it. you own the media. liberals have no power. how can you not see that?

I'm sure that were you to

I'm sure that were you to take a poll of the regular people attending this rally, there would be overwhelming support for 911 truth.

the problem are these self-appointed "leaders" who thinks it's their job to package their message in the "safest" way possible.

I know the temptation is always to shout "agent" or "operative" -- and I'm sure there are such operatives and various strategic points in the anti-war hierarchy, but there's a much simpler explanation for the left-gatekeeping phenomenon, at least as it applies to liberals (radicals are a different matter).

These people are still under the impression that they're going to be able to vote themselves out this mess, and they regard 911 truth as a liability ie a potential right-wing talking point that can be used to "discredit" "the left".

What they don't realize is that they actually DAMAGE their credibility by stifling 911 truth.

In a real democracy this would not be an issue -- but then the US was never intended to be a democracy, but a plutocracy.

"Steering committees" are indeed the problem, from unions and anti-war orgs all the way up to the entire structure of power.

"Representatives" need to be turned into delegates directly answerable to the people.

Solution to this current dilemna: ignore the dictates of the various "steering committees" and take matters into our own hands.

Danse, I think you've nailed

Danse, I think you've nailed it. It's NOT that "liberals" or "democrats" are unfamiliar with the validity and importance of 9/11 truth, but that they may second guess and over-calculate the "repercussions" of addressing such a crime, and/or "when" would be the best time to do this.... radicals, of all stripes, do not harbor such foibles.

That "anti-war" people have trouble seeing the roots of what it is they protest..... is absolutely beyond my comprehension. That festering 9/11 lies threaten long decades of needless war so long as they remain shrouded, as uncovering such lies would seem a brilliant way to reduce the prevalence of war-fever. Isn't THAT what a peaceful person would want? 9/11 truth would seem an excellent vehicle to achieve such an ends, with a bonus for using honest means.

Go figure?!

Observe remembrance and honor the dead, in New York, New York.

Demand the toilet be flushed, in Washington D.C.

My educated guess at the

My educated guess at the moment is that on 9/11/06 we should have a fairly small, well-behaved group with signs/posters at Ground Zero, and politely give out free literature & truth DVDs.

A huge gang should go to D.C. and scream like hell that 9/11 was an inside job to enable Bush/Cheney to conquer Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, etc.; while trying to get as much media coverage on 9/11 truth as possible.

Our goal was to tell the

Our goal was to tell the Truth about 9/11 to these people who advocate peace.

My educated guess at the

My educated guess at the moment is that on 9/11/06 we should have a fairly small, well-behaved group with signs/posters at Ground Zero, and politely give out free literature & truth DVDs.

If I see you cocksuckers there, get ready for an unpleasant welcome...

Terrence, I would like to

Terrence, I would like to tear your head off, shove it up Ghouliani's ass, and take a crap down the hole in your neck! That's just for starters, you despicable fraud!

Our goal was to tell the

Our goal was to tell the Truth about 9/11 to these people who advocate peace.
Terrence | 08.06.06 - 12:10 am | #

WTF does this doubletalk mean? We can't tell the truth about 9/11 to people who advocate peace? You are a fucking imbecile!

If I see you cocksuckers

If I see you cocksuckers there, get ready for an unpleasant welcome...
Terrence | 08.06.06 - 12:12 am | #

Let me guess: you'll be the guy with the "get a brain morans" sign.

Terrass, get ready for a

Terrass, get ready for a long, long, prison term. Helping to conceal a mass muder & high treason like your're trying to do is a very, very, serious crime!

wow good job terrence! tell

wow good job terrence! tell your advisor that he should give you a promotion and an increase in salary -
round of applause for terrence!
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I posted the following at

I posted the following at Camp Hypocracy's Yahoo group:

Would this happen at Camp Republic?

I was disturbed to learn that persons and groups promoting 9/11 Truth will be prohibited from full participation at Camp Democracy. I find this an offensive position taken by the steering committee for Camp Democracy. Furthermore, this hypocritical position causes me to seriously question whether or not this group has been infiltrated by persons who fear more open discussion of the increasing probability (not possibility) of direct government involvement in the events of 9/11.

Please see (text copied below) from Veterans for 9/11 Truth.

http://www.v911t.org/CampHypoc.php

Five years after that horrible day, a significant number of Americans have decided that the official government accounting appears to lack credibility.

"August 3, 2006 -- More than one-third of Americans suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new poll [Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 adults].
The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/one_in_3_americans_say_u_s__aide...

The poll indicates that upwards to 100,000,000 American suspect government involvement. This means that a huge number of Americans suspect that their own government is complicit in the murder of over 3,000 people to satisfy it's own political agenda. Poll after poll after poll indicate that the number of Americans who suspect government involvement 9/11 is growing exponentially.

The following have all been implemented by the government because of the events of 9/11:

Neverending War on Terror
Patriot Acts I & II
Torture, secret trials
Reditions
National ID
Wiretapping without a court order

Sum it up by calling it what it is, the eviceration of the Bill of Rights. All of the above have been implemented, at the expense of your liberties, to provide for additional security because, as we have been told over and over again, 9/11 changed everything. But, what if what we have been told is a lie?

Charlie Jenks and the steering committee have unilaterally decided to exclude what he terms to be "9/11 Conspiracy themes" from full participation. It certainly appears that the growing mountain of evidence being accumulated by 9/11 Truth Movement individuals, organizations, and the research efforts of patriotic scholars and professionals shows that the 9/11 Commission final report is indeed the true "9/11 conspiracy theme." Obviously, the Bush administration continues to stonewall any efforts by those in the 9/11 truth movement to gain the release of additional information, which is possessed only by the government, which would serve to make more Americans aware of the need to re-open the investigation, sans political appointees as investigators.

So, why has Camp Democracy singled out the 9/11 truth movement and set policy to exclude this movement from full participation? Why is the event covering the anniversary of that horrible day rather than earlier marking the beginning of aggressive military action in Afghanistan? Why would Camp Democracy do something that would cause Karl Rove to squeal with delight? Why does Camp Democracy apparantly fear the very same thing that the White House fears?

Democracy is tyranny of the masses. The tyranny of the steering committee of Camp Democracy and it's suspicious attempt mute the 9/11 Truth Movement in Washington D.C. is worthy of praise from Fox News. Why not be up front and post the following on the home page:

9/11 Wingnuts Need Not Attend!

Go ahead. Make Karl Rove squeal with delight.

The following is from Veterans for 9/11 Truth:

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Conversations with Camp Hypocrisy

Veterans for 9/11 Truth requested more information about the upcoming Camp Democracy events in Washington, D.C. beginning September 5, 2006. Our goal was to tell the Truth about 9/11 to these people who advocate peace. The Veterans for 9/11 Truth are banned, from Camp Hypocrisy.

V911T Email to Camp Democracy 08/02/2006:
Hi,
I am co-founder of Veterans for 9/11 Truth. I am interested in the $100
covers tabling Sept. 5 - 21, the entire camp.

This paragraph, "Note Regarding Tabling:" on the page
campdemocracy.org/organization seems to say that some handouts and
literature etc could be prohibited. I would like that clarified
before we get the table if you could please.

Thank you,
Alfons

Response from Camp Democracy 08/04/2006:
Hi - Thanks for writing.

The Camp's themes are : End War: Peace, nonviolence, accountability, and
impeachment | Human Rights: Civil Rights, Immigrants Rights, Workers
Rights, Women's Rights, Voting Rights, Katrina | End
Corporate Welfare, Meet Human Needs: Healthcare/ Energy/ Education/
Environment | Communications and Creativity: Hands-on Media and Arts
Training.

The Camp, by a decision of its steering committee, is not including 9/11
conspiracy themes, and is not accepting sponsorship from 9/11 conspiracy
groups. 9/11 conspiracy materials may not be sold, or given away for a
donation, at the event.

Best wishes,

Charlie Jenks

V911t Reply to Camp Democracy 08/05/2006:
Dear Mr. Jenkins,

First, we are not a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, we are a 9/11 Truth Group. If you want to send an email to a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, I think their email is whitehouse@whitehouse.gov

I am very surprised that you are banning speech about 9/11 Truth. Is there something that you don't understand about the freefall collapse of Building 7, or the bombs in the WTC towers? If we can help you to understand the evidence we will be more than happy to help.

I feel that Camp Democracy owes an explanation to us, and the people of America. Can you please explain your book burning/banning posture?

Respectfully,
Alfons v911t

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Re: Loose Change 70meg

Re: Loose Change 70meg version

I made a very small FULL SCREEN watchable LOOSE CHANGE 2E version (with engl subtitles!)

http://www.mininova.org/tor/386959

There are MANY people who have NOT seen it yet.. for lack of bandwidth...
Here is their chance... Its small enough to put on your server.

REAL MEDIA 10 is a great format!!

I am so disgusted with left

I am so disgusted with left gate keepers, and was even thinking of going to camp democracy and promoting 9/11 truth until seeing that they are blocking all 9/11 truth efforts. The most important lie to expose, and our own people are blocking us. Wow.... it's all up to us now folks...

http://falseflagnews.com/left

http://falseflagnews.com/leftgatekeepers/noam_chomsky_controlled_asset_o...

Left gate keepers:
I always admired Chomsky but there was something ethereal about him. There was no action just a lot of stratospheric talking. When it came to really doing something practical he was aloof. I never walked away from reading or hearing Chomsky with some precision guided feeling about what to do practically. Well, now it has been brought to my attention that Chomsky, the chief left gate keeper, is a controlled asset. This URL does a great job of exposing him.

The lesson is always look at the fruit and result of the so called leaders. If there is no significant fruit then the leader has to be dumped. Chomsky believes the official 911 story. This in itself is unforgivable. A 7 year old child could see thru the official 911 story. Chomsky believes that Oswald acted alone. This is absurd. Has this intellectual not read. He is absolutely a phoney. Chomsky does not believe in groups like the trilateral commission. He is a mole. Chomsky does not believe the CIA acts independently. Wow, how have we been duped for 50 years.

Is it any wonder why the Camp democracy group does not want 911 truthers. The puppetmasters behind the scenes, the central bankers of the world, are able with their 300 trillion dollar cartel to buy the best of deceivers.

we are told gates is the richest man in the world. Look at this quote from the url below:

By this method, the trillionaire masters of the universe remain hidden whilst Forbes magazine poses lower ranking billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as the richest men in the world.

Rockefeller has 11 trillion dollars.
THe Rothschilds alone have 100 trillion dollars.

Who do you think the masters are ?

http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_2_.htm

Cindy Sheenan and anti-war

Cindy Sheenan and anti-war group needs to get THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES! 9-11 IS THE ONLY ISSUE BEFORE US, THAT AFFECTS ALL THE REST! DO THEY WANT UNENDING WARS FOUGTH OVER LIES? WHO ARE THESE STUPID BASTARDS? I WANT TO WRITE THEM TOO!

Handbill ANYWAY! What will

Handbill ANYWAY! What will they do? Throw you out and risk media saying they too are against free speech?

EVERYONE PUT EXTREME HEAT ON

EVERYONE PUT EXTREME HEAT ON DAVID SWANSON ABOUT THIS, HERE IS HIS EMAIL! david@davidswanson.org
Why in HELL did these left gate keepers USE OUR DATE, 9-11 FOR THIS? WHY NOW? WHY ON 9-11, OTHER THEN TO STOP OUR MOMENTUM? RAISE HELL WITH CINDY SHEENAN AND DAVID SWANSON AND NOW! Demand they let us have table at "Camp David" and also let us handbill also, too! This is PURE FUCKING BULLSHIT! IF ANTI-WAR PEOPLE WOULD JOIN US, WE COULD END THESE WARS ASAP,INSTEAD OF FIGHTING US 9-11 TRUTHER'S!

Raise HELL with "Velvet

Raise HELL with "Velvet Revolution" who have ALOT of Left gate keepers in there also! Left gate keepers and Right ones are working in tandum to stop truth from getting out about 9-11, and other simlar things!

People, the solution is

People, the solution is simple: GO ANYWAY! Fuck 'em. Bring your flyers and posters, be 110% civil, do your best not to raise your voice (not easy, but try) and obviously don't lay a hand on anyone there. If someone tries to physically force you off of the grounds of Camp Hypocrisy, again, keep your hands to yourself. Let them haul you off as if it were some anti-war protest in the past (remember those?). And make DAMNED sure that all of these shameful expulsions are caught on camera- both stills and video. I really hope it doesn't come to this, but it just might. So, better be prepared. After all, being forewarned is being forearmed (let's hear it for falseflagnews.com!). Hopefully sanity- not to mention democracy and free speech- will prevail and 9/11 Truthers will be permitted to attend. I pray that this so-called "steering committee" has the balls to defy Sheehan's money masters. Regardless of what happens, remember what I say here. That survey from a few days ago was a watershed event for 9/11 Truth. Whether Cindy Sheehan, George W. Bush, or the official storytellers like it or not, we are making progress... :)

Quit calling people

Quit calling people gatekeepers! Most of us were in denial about 9/11 at one time or another, does that mean we were gatekeepers? No! The way to deal with the people who aren't willing to investigate is to tell them it doesn't take a genius to figure out we were lied to about 9/11, only the desire to know the truth. That will shame them into looking for the truth themselves.

"Gatekeeper" is a great word

"Gatekeeper" is a great word for deniers of the truth who influence others to reamain ignorant of the truth!

You'll get more media

You'll get more media coverage by being at ground zero on 9/11 then you would at D.C..At D.C. you'll get lumped in as part of Cindy Sheehan's protest.While at ground zero they'll have to acknowledge it as a truth protest.I'm getting a sneaky feeling that somebody wants to prevent a large gathering at ground zero.I don't know who's behind it,but I feel that it's definitely being coordinated.The smaller the gathering at ground zero the easier it is to ignore.I also don't believe that the D.C. gathering choose 9/11 by accident.I think Cindy Sheehan started out with the right intentions by protesting Bush at his ranch,but she's being led astray by some others.

Hi, This is a very

Hi,
This is a very interesting thread you have going here. Looks like Camp Democracy is getting some "blow back" from their efforts to quash 9/11 Truth. Nothing like telling a patriot not to do something, to motivate, and unite them to defy this quashing, of what is true, and right.
There will be a 9/11 Citizens Court in Washington, D.C. starting on 9/11, it is all set up, permits, tent, stage, audio, ready to go. So the 9/11 Truth will be there weather the Camp Democracy likes it or not. http://www.v911t.org/911DC.php
The more the merrier!

They did it, we know it, now what do we do? ,
Alfons v911t

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Alfons v911t | Homepage | 08.06.06 - 11:56 am | #
NICE!!!!! thank you for your efforts.

Keep up the blogs and the

Keep up the blogs and the e-mails to Camp Democracy and any organization having a table or participating at Camp Democracy, no I mean Camp Hypocrisy. As a veteran's organization we say the most patriotic thing you can do as veterans and citizens is to take a stand for Truth in government. Citizens and veterans can join Veterans for 9/11 Truth. Join Operation Vigilant Truth and help us expose the lies of 9/11/01. Take Care Matt Co-founder of Veterans for 911 Truth(v911t.org)

ALRIGHT ALFONS! Because Camp

ALRIGHT ALFONS!

Because Camp Hypocracy denied v911t from full participation, I joined their Yahoo group to make other posters there were aware of the hypocracy. I also hoped that it would bring more awareness to the 9/11 Truth Movement by circumnavigating their gatekeepers in countering the devicive tactics they are employing.

Obviously this is systemic within the left-wing, anti-war, collectivists crowd. Charlene Obernauer, of Social Justice Alliance posted this in response:

Re: [campdemocracy] 9/11 Truth Movement Banned From Camp Hypocracy?

I've been through a similar controversy with the student activist group that I organize in. We do not take a stance on the 9/11 Truth Movement for many reasons,

[which she fails to list]

but what we do is call for an open investigation of 9/11 and for a discussion about it in Congress.

[where? they do not call for an open investigation of 9/11 on their web site. and she expects CONgress alone can manage an open investigation without influence from the military-industrial complex?]

We feel that until there is an open investigation and one can talk freely about the events, the 9/11 Truth Movement will filled with conspiracy theories.

[everyone can talk freely about 9/11 but, they just can't participate fully in Camp Hypocracy without PERMISSION or they will be... GASP... arrested?]

I understand the frustration, but one must consider that the 9/11 Truth Movement is not unified.

[she obvioulsy is oblivious to the summer conferences and the growing number of polls indicating WIDESPREAD suspicion of government involvement.]

There are many theories circulating, but due to the lack of unificiation, and even the distortion of facts/stretching of evidence by many in the "Truth" Movement takes away from its credibility. In example, the article on AOL displaying the 9/11 Truth Movemen as being dragged down by a bunch of angry, crazy, conspiracy theorists.

[she gets her news from AOL, a government partner in propaganda and the spreading of disinfo.]

The 9/11 Truth Movement serves as a divider between those who rely primarily on well-documented facts, as opposed to those who theorize. Perhaps it would be best to only take a stance, not on theory, but on actual fact.

[she doesn't explain how this can be done absent ALL of the facts.]

Within the 9/11 Truth Movement, "Truth" is relative, depending upon who is speaking--the intellectuals and the radical activists are certainly not united under one common Truth. So, that is where activist groups must make a decision--should we seek to divide or unite?

[let's wring our hands on this one then call the 9/11 TRUTH Movement wingnuts, just like Fox.]

I think Camp Democracy should seek to unite, and should not silence the 9/11 Truth-ers, but certainly not support their "position", whatever that may be.

[just how dumb or brainwashed can she be. the position is one of wanting the TRUTH. who even asked Camp Hypocracy for support anyway? v911t.org asked to buy a table to garner support from INDIVIDUALS. they were denied for being a "conspiracy theme", whatever the fuck that is.]

This is just an opinion, but I thought I'd throw my two cents in, for what it's worth.

[about two cents. not even enough to be considered Loose Change]

____________________
Charlene Obernauer
Social Justice Alliance
humanrightssbu@aol.com
www.sbusja.org

[She is the coordinator of their Coca-Cola Boycott (because it's bad for your teeth? they don't say.)]

HOW IS IT THAT THESE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO RAIL AGAINST OBJECTIONABLE GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATE POLICIES AND AGENDAS CAN BELIEVE THAT THE VERY SAME GOVERNMENT IS CAPABLE OF POLICING ITSELF?

doublethink

Take a look at the recent

Take a look at the recent poll Cindy. Are you going to disinvite 1/3 of America?

"The Camp's themes are : End

"The Camp's themes are : End War: Peace, nonviolence, accountability, and
impeachment | Human Rights: Civil Rights, Immigrants Rights, Workers
Rights, Women's Rights, Voting Rights, Katrina | End
Corporate Welfare, Meet Human Needs: Healthcare/ Energy/ Education/
Environment | Communications and Creativity: Hands-on Media and Arts
Training."

By my count, the message of the 9/11 Truth Movement falls under at least 12 or 13 of those categories easy. Particularly a demand for "accountability".

What say your s4/911 legal

What say your s4/911 legal experts about this approach to forcing the military to investigate 9/11?
According to articles 78, 134 and 92 of the UCMJ, anyone who is subject
to the UCMJ is in violation of 78 and 134 if he/she witnesses or
otherwise is privy to crimes punishable under the codes of the UCMJ,
and
fails to report his/her information of said punishable crime(s).
Furthermore, if a superior orders a subordinate to relay his/her
findings
evidenciary of a crime committed, the subordinate is also in violation
of
article 92, failure to obey a direct order, if he/she fails to do so.
Someone in the military had to have seen the planes hit the twin towers
and/or then saw these two buildings collapse in controlled demolition
manner,
or else saw a missile hit the Pentagon, or, someone in the military saw
flight 93 get shot down over Pennsylvania. This someone may not have
fully
comprehended at the time what he/she was witnessing, but, what if
later, he/she connected the dots, saw firsthand
evidence, steel from
the
WTC, for example, and learned that tests proved that thermate was used
to
collapse the towers (among others, a violation of article 32), or, simply looked at the evidence of the
still photos
that abound over the internet that show conclusively that a 767
passenger jet most
certainly did not hit either of the twin trade towers. Unlike in civilian
life, when presented with sufficient evidence, anyone in the military
who
is aware of evidence of a crime(s) must confront superiors with
knowledge of
a crime with a reminder to them of their obligation to articles 78 and
134, if
failure to report occurs.
Case in point, in yesterday's news, pfc Justin Watt stated that when
aware
of the violations of article 32 within his own ranks in Iraq, he
pointed out that he was obligated (by the UCMJ) to report his knowledge
to
his superiors, who themselves were obligated to
investigate.
Since it is true that pfc Justin Watt learned and understood that a
crime
had been committed by his peers that included shooting and burning 3
unarmed
civlians, and to not report it, would be a crime of deriliction of
duty. How then is
it not equally true that when a member of the armed forces learns about
and comprehends
the scope of the crime, in this instance witnessing live or on
television the
attacks on civilians and subsequent demolitions of WTC buildings 1,2 and 7, on Sept.
11; the
parellels are unmistakeable. To shoot a plane into a civilian building
and then burn
the still occupied building down with incendiaries is simply the same crime on a
grander scale that
CANNOT and MUST NOT preclude an active member's duty to protect the
constitution from
enemies, foreign and domestic.
To be sure, at minimum, the entire upper eschalon of the Bush Admin. are prime suspects of forknowledge and colusion in the 9/11 conspiracy, since the president's sibling, younger brother Marvin Bush's company, Securacom, was in charge of security for the World Trade Center and Dulles Intl. AP. WTC eyewitesses attest to closures on Sept. 8, and 9, 2001 and a departure of bomb sniffing dogs on Sept. 10 and 11th. Security for the Dulles airport meant Securacom had access to the FAA codes, enabling them to confuse the pictures in the sky, to sustitute all four planes in the sky and (I suspect) shoot/bring them down.
Facts, photos (planes, hole in Pentagon, hole in field) physical evidence (steel), expert testimony (forensics, math and phsics), eyewitnesses at the crime scene, destruction of most of the evidence and obstruction of justice (they didn't want a 9/11 commision), cover ups (gas station tapes of the Pentagon that would be incriminating), and motives (wars, no bid contracts, control of oil, enriching the richest, promoting the New World Order agenda, all can be the admissible evidence that holds up convictions.
Think about it.