Beginning of the Week Open Thread

FYI, I haven't been slacking, I've been working on the new site. I plan on staying focused on the new site this week and next week in the hopes of getting it all setup sooner than later. In the mean time I've asked SBG, GW, and Reprehensor to pick up my slack.

If you have been sending any news directly to me please start sending it via the 'submit news' link on the left as I will just be forwarding any news there while I try to focus my efforts elsewhere.

So, sorry if it looks like I've been slacking - I ensure you I haven't been!

It's a new week, what have we missed? Open thread, have at it.

A great place to send

A great place to send newbies... if you need a place to send someone to learn about 9/11, send them to http://truth911.net

I put up signs with that web

I put up signs with that web address all the time.

BANG! http://killtown.blogspo

visits to 911Blogger and

Killtown: AWESOME! AWESOME!!

Killtown:

AWESOME!
AWESOME!!
AWESOME!!!

We need to contact the writer Caitlin Cleary (ccleary@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2533) to let her know of Steven Jones' WTC arson investigation

KT: I'm gonna put that up in

KT: I'm gonna put that up in the Raw Story forums "Breaking News"

CB, note there's a new

CB, note there's a new sitemeter. (The other one is being phased out.)
http://www.sitemeter.com/.?a=stats&s=s24st911&r=5
62,817 visits yesterday! Pretty awesome!

Thanks janedoe. I'm sorry to

Thanks janedoe.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation at Clemson, but hope you can put more of your time towards 9/11.

Do you happen to have any information, that could be shared, about the status of Dr Jones arson investigation? I'm curious how long this procedure would take, to get conclusive results that could be published.

CB, email me at janedoe0911

CB, email me at janedoe0911 at yahoo.com

Isn't it amazing how the press can do such a smear job, misquote people, and get away with it.
I guess that's what's meant by "freedom for the press."

and I thought our freedoms

and I thought our freedoms were being taken away... :)

A note about Kevin

A note about Kevin Barrett:

It seems C-SPAN aired the panel because of MSM coverage of Barrett.

Perhaps we should send Rep Nass some thank you notes for this??

AP covered by ABC

AP covered by ABC NEWS

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2281052

Note that they did NOT remove the link to ST911, however it doesn't seem to be clickable

ABC's story is listed as #5

ABC's story is listed as #5 in the Headlines section on their home page www.abcnews.com

I have just posted the dates

I have just posted the dates for the STRATCOM's Vigilant Guardian (Aug 17-26) and Global Lightning (Oct 24-Nov 8) war games this year. Remember, Vigilant Guardian was one of the war games being run on 9-11.

Global Lightning 07 is a massive nuclear warfare drill that could be used to bootleg an strike on Iran or Syria.

I run a war game and drill-monitoring website with the help of Webster Tarpley. You can go to www.falseflagnews.com for a full list.

Sorry, Global Lightning is

Sorry, Global Lightning is running Oct 26-Nov 8 I used a parentheses there and it made it into a smiley face.

Now get over to FalseFlagNews, spread the word, and help innoculate uus against these war games!

AP also on CBS NEWS. See

CNN Poll: Do you believe

CNN Poll: Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html

Yes 58%

No 42%

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/

9/11 conspiracy theorists

O.K I am stupid. What or

O.K I am stupid. What or where is the new site?
Thanks

In original reports (i.e.,

In original reports (i.e., not simply going off the reports of other news agencies) by Newsweek, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Gannett News Service, the below accused 9/11 hijackers have been named as having trained at U.S. military bases:

Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93)
Ahmed Alnami (United Airlines 93)
Ahmed Alghamdi (United Airlines 175)
Hamza Alghamdi (United Airlines 175)
Mohamed Atta (American Airlines 11)
Abdulaziz Alomari (American Airlines 11)

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Florida: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking U.S. Navy source said that Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmad Alnami (both United Airlines 93) and Ahmed Alghamdi (United Airlines 175) listed their legal residences at 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. Saeed Alghamdi listed the address on two different car registrations. Ahmad Alnami and Ahmed Alghamdi listed the address on their driver licenses. The Washington Post reported that Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi attended. The Washington Post reported that Ahmed Alnami and Hamza Alghamdi (United Airlines 175) listed their legal residence at the same address.

- Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking Pentagon official said one of the named hijackers attended. The Washington Post reported that Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93) graduated from the Defense Language Institute English Language Center at the base. The Los Angeles Times reported that a defense official said two of the hijackers were former Saudi fighter pilots who had attended.

- Maxwell-Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama: Newsweek reported that a high-ranking Pentagon official said one of the named hijackers attended the Air War College. The Washington Post reported that Mohamed Atta (American Airlines 11) graduated from the International Officers School. Gannett News Service reported that Air Force spokesman Col. Ken McClellan said that Mohammed Atta attended the International Officer's School. The Los Angeles Times reported that a defense official said two of the hijackers were former Saudi fighter pilots who had attended the Air War College.

- The Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center at the Presidio of Monterey in Monterey, California: Gannett News Service reported that Saeed Alghamdi (United Airlines 93) attended.

- USAF School of Aerospace Medicine at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas: The Washington Post reported that Abdulaziz Alomari (American Airlines 11) graduated from the school. Gannett News Service reported that Abdulaziz Alomari attended.

U.S. government officals later claimed that these individuals who trained on these U.S. military bases were different people from the hijackers with the same names (even though high-level anonymous U.S. military sources told these various news agencies with certainty that these were the same individuals as the named hijackers). It was also vaguely stated that some of the biographical details didn't match exactly, although the U.S. government has never specified the differences or offered any evidence of these claims. Notably, none of these named U.S. military trainees has ever come forward to clear up the association of their names with those of the purported hijackers, and the U.S. government refuses to release any information about these supposedly differrent individuals.

It's as if none of these supposedly different individuals with the same names even exist. That doesn't make any sense, unless they are not different individuals from the named hijackers, in which case even if they were still alive they wouldn't likely be eager to come forward, nor would the U.S. government be eager to present details as to where they can be found.

See:

"Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases: The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI," George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, Newsweek, September 15, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010917023145/http://www.msnbc.com/news/6295...

http://prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

"Suspected Hijackers: 19 Quiet Lives That Shattered the World; Inquiry: 'Nice,' 'normal' guys had few belongings but access to lots of cash. Tantalizing clues show path to destruction.," H.G. Reza, Evan Halper and Lisa Getter, Los Angeles Times, September 15, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030812100412/http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

"Shared Names for Hijackers," New York Times, September 15, 2001:

http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/nyt091501e.html

http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

"2nd Witness Arrested; 25 Held for Questioning," Guy Gugliotta and David S. Fallis, Washington Post, September 16, 2001; Page A29:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=nation/sp...

"Reconstructing the hijackers' last days: Unusual leads surface; links to bin Laden found," Guy Gugliotta, Washington Post, September 16, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011024161527/http://www.delawareonline.com/...

"Ashcroft asks Congress for expanded police powers as manhunt continues," Ana Radelat, Gannett News Service, September 17, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050205160603/http://www.summeroftruth.org/m...

"Pensacola NAS link faces more scrutiny: Senator seeks answers on hijackers ties to Navy base," Larry Wheeler, Scott Streater and Ginny Graybiel, Pensacola News Journal, September 17, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010923193829/http://www.pensacolanewsjourna...

"Doubt about the identities of the hijackers grows," Ana Radelat and Mike Madden, Gannett News Service, September 20, 2001:

http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2001/09/20/2001092012469.htm

"Pentagon Lied: Terrorists Trained at U.S. Bases," Daniel Hopsicker, MadCowMorningNews, Issue No. 6, October 14, 2001:

http://www.madcowprod.com/issue06.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20011124110050/http://www.madcowprod.com/inde...

Chapter 11, "'Saudi Prince' Mohamed Atta?," in Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker (Walterville, Oregon: TrineDay, 2004):

http://www.american-buddha.com/911.welcometoterrorlandhop6.htm

[Continued in my following post below.]

[Continued from my previous

[Continued from my previous post above.]

Statistical Calculation on the Odds of Arab U.S. Military Trainees Matching the Same Names as the Purported Hijackers, But Without Actually Being the Same People

All of the hijackers matching the names as being U.S. military trainees except for Mohamed Atta were supposedly born in Saudi Arabia (i.e., Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, and Abdulaziz Alomari), with Atta supposedly being born in Egypt. Below is a guide on Arab naming conventions, with particular focus on common Saudi Arabian naming conventions.

"Arab Names," Saudi Public Relations Company (SPRC), ArabNet:

http://www.arab.net/arabnames/index.html

Below is a list of the 100 most common Arab family or tribal names, with population statistics given for them. I'm not sure how accurate the below statistics are, nor does it cite its source for the statistics, but it was the only resource of its kind that I could find online. But even if the list is way off, the analysis that follows will show that the odds of the six named U.S. military trainees being different people from the named hijackers must of necessity be truly staggering. Hence, I use the below list to simply have some starting point to conduct the analysis.

"Arabic Names in the Arab States: The 100 most common Arabic Last Names, including their rank and population (within the Arab States)," Tetradom Limited trading as Pdom.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030413072222/http://www.pdom.com/arabic_nam...

The names Ghamdi, Nami, and Atta all show up on the above list as each being under (or possibly at) 570,000 total Arabs in the world for any one of these surnames (i.e., family names, or tribal names).

The name Omar shows up on the list three times, each time under a different English transliteration, with each entry listed as 620,000 total Arabs in the world with that family name. So to be on the safe side I'll take all of these entries and add them together, for a total of 1,860,000 Arabs in the world with a surname of Omar.

The total population of Arabs in the world is somewhere between 250-300 million people. So to be generous, I'll take that there are 300,000,000 total Arabs in the world. The Arab American Institute estimates that there is possibly a bit over 3.5 million Arabs in the U.S., with more than than 80% being U.S. citizens.

As I don't know what the actual figure is concerning how many Arabs have been trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, for my calculations I'll use the figure that 1 in every 1,000 of the total world's Arab population have trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil. This seems exceedingly generous.

We are now in a position to calculate the odds of six Arabs matching the family or tribal names of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers.

570000 (number of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta) / 300000000 (total number of Arabs in the world) = 0.0019 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta)

1860000 (number of Arabs in the world with the surname of Omar) / 300000000 (total number of Arabs in the world) = 0.0062 (0.62% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Omar)

300000 (total number of Arabs trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil) * 0.0019^5 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta, raised by the power of five, for the five individuals with one of these names) * 0.0062 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta) = 4.60554414 E-11

1 / 4.60554414 E-11 = ~21712960935.8168

Hence, we come to a 1 in 21.7 billion (i.e., U.S. billion) odds that there could be six Arabs matching the surnames of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers.

Keep in mind that this analysis only concerns surnames (i.e., Arab family or tribal names). If one were to do an analysis which included the given names (i.e., first names, the Arab *ism*) along with the surnames, then the odds against six Arabs matching the names of Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alnami, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohamed Atta, and Abdulaziz Alomari trained on U.S. military bases on U.S. soil, but without actually being the same people as these six named hijackers, would be many orders of magnitude more improbable. In other words, the actual odds of such an event occuring are many orders of magnitude more improbable than my above calculation.

Also, even if a number of the figures concerning name-populations and/or Arabs trained on U.S. military bases are off by a wide margin, we can still see by this analysis how truly large the odds against these six U.S. military trainees being different people from the named hijackers must be.

Furthermore, bear in mind that there are many different ways to transliterate Arab names into English. Thus, in English, the exact same Arab name could be spelled a number of different ways; but in each case, these various English spellings would be referring to the exact same name in Arabic.

Oops. I forgot to update the

Oops. I forgot to update the source I copied the above from, which was from a previous post of mine where I made a parenthetical copy-and-paste error.

The below line is where the parenthetical error occurs:

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0.0062 (0.19% of the population of Arabs in the world with a surname of Ghamdi, Nami, or Atta)
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It should read:

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0.0062 (0.62% of the population of Arabs in the world with the surname of Omar)
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This doesn't effect anything, as these parenthetical comments are simply my explanation of what is being calculated.

*Affect* anything, I should

*Affect* anything, I should say.

One can simply read the above article by me in the below post by me, which doesn't feature the above copy-and-paste error:

"Analysis of the Accused Hijackers Training on U.S. Military Bases," James Redford, YBBS, August 5, 2006:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11855

*To all 'conspiracy

*To all 'conspiracy theorists'*:

At the bequest of a 2-Star General, I had posted my legal affidavit about the "FBI take-over" of our offices at the WTC, with the Arkansas Secretary of State. This, he said was "the smoking gun," as required to enable this individual to file papers, as requested by "the Investigations Committee at the Hague War Crimes Division."

We are almost there.

The 'problem' is that Bush/Blair/BinLaden's want to crash the system as opposed to going to jail.

Our offices were located at approximately the spot where the 1st hit occurred. Actually, a homing-device was probably positioned in Poppy-Bush's buddies office at Kaiser Aluminum International's office on the 81st floor. Anyway, the outer panels were 'loaded,' otherwise you couldn't get a solid steel airplane through the curtain wall. (This is a minor point that the brainy physicists seem to overlook.)

Anyway, my site will only be up for 1 more month! I don't want to pay to promote an image for a non-viable career choice. High-end "television" and "entertainment" are on the way out as housing prices are crashing. You will notice a distinct distain that I now hold for all things of Western society. I don't mean to discredit any of you, or distract from your interest in restoring the viability of the U.S.A.

My plan is to go to South America and work for the meek and the poor. I'm not much at geology, but I do hope to reach a high-plains area, and to have tilled a few fields that can support future life. I've got reams of new info on sustainability, and off-grid solutions. The best of which is the secret hydrogen factory beneath the Great Pyramid, an ancient 'conspiracy' that is easily 4,000 years old! What's missing from general contemporary analysis is that the outer wall contained a lot of water that vibrated at a specific harmonic.

With luck, I'll be standing on solid ground, as 'the wrath' overtakes the planet. Those in the underground bunkers will either be driven mad from the Tesla waves, or will simply commit suicide, after having to confront the likes of Cheney, Clinton and Wolfowitz, for too many days. :)

I can't get over the amount

I can't get over the amount of press re: 911 Conspiracy!! Here is one more

From this morning's NY Post (Page Six)

>>August 7, 2006 -- SEN. John McCain is gunning for 9/11 conspiracy theorists. The 2008 presidential hopeful has penned a scathing forward to "Debunking 9/11 Myths," a new book from Popular Mechanics that uses science to blow away such far-fetched theories as that American air defenses were ordered to "stand down" on Sept. 11 and that the south tower was struck by a military aircraft. McCain calls the tales "ugly, unfounded accusations of extraordinary evil against fellow Americans" that insult the cops and firefighters who responded to the tragedies that day.

They say the popular

They say the popular mechanics book is similar to the hit-piece published on the magazine, so its not a concern.

I find the article by James very interesting and well done...

HAH, hahaha hahahHAha

HAH, hahaha hahahHAha hahaha.... Popular Mechanics!!! The garage-hobby magazine. What, is there something wrong with the Final Report of the 9/11 Commission? HA, hahahAh ahhhhh.

__Speaking_Of_Conspiracy_News

__Speaking_Of_Conspiracy_News__

_Get the DVD of "V For Vendetta" (just out)_

At the main menu screen, the sound is of some snippets of various dialog that the actors speak. And one of them is: "if the government was involved, would you really want to know?" You leave the main menu up and it plays over and over and over...

Thank you for your

Thank you for your compliment on my article, IG.

I did a lot of original research for that article. A lot of the news articles cited in it are hard to come by online, so I recommend that everyone save all of them to their hard drive.

For reference, here it is again:

"Analysis of the Accused Hijackers Training on U.S. Military Bases," James Redford, YBBS, August 5, 2006:

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11855

CNN Poll: Do you believe

CNN Poll: Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?

Yes 58%

No 42%
YT | 08.07.06 - 5:36 am | #
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The CNN Quick Poll is now down to 56%. Need a little boost there:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html

O.K I am stupid. What or

O.K I am stupid. What or where is the new site?
Thanks
foss3 | | Email | 08.07.06 - 5:51 am | #

its on my local machine.. its the new version of 911blogger.com which i am working on.. it will be very very similar (as similar as i can make it), but with a bunch of new features and lots of room for more to be added quickly.

im super excited about it, hopefully everyone else will be too once its ready.

hopefully this time there

hopefully this time there wont be dissapearing text/headlines/pictures. hahaha, just kidding! this site rules.first thing i check every morning.

Question Bush in '06

The WTC2 fireball COULD NOT

The WTC2 fireball COULD NOT HAVE COME FROM A 767: http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/plate33.htm

The aircraft in the Pentagon video is TOO SMALL TO BE A 757: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/im-2ndlev.html