Capable and Culpable

Great response to those who make statements such as this:

"As the Bush administration could not effectively deal with Katrina, personally I doubt that it could have organized something as complex as 9-11."

http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2006/08/capable-and-culpable.html

Think about that for a moment.

If elements within the sôle remaining superpower could not organise such a thing, could Osama bin Laden and his merry men do such from a cave in Afghanistan?

Perhaps, you really think that the Dubya Administration could not be morally capable of such an atrocity.

And that's to your credit actually. That may be because you are morally incapable of any such thing.

I'll admit the same "moral" objection kept me from questioning the offically-approved conspiracy theory promugated by the West Wing, the Omission Commission and the docile media... until I saw the photos from Abu Ghraib.

As scary as it is, start thinking like the neo-cons (without agreeing with them!), then you'll understand that they are morally, as well as physically, capable.

It's completely ridiculous

It's completely ridiculous for people to say something like: "As the Bush administration could not effectively deal with Katrina, personally I doubt that it could have organized something as complex as 9-11."

Using this same line of reasoning I could argue: "As the Bush administration could not effectively deal with Katrina, personally I doubt it would have been able to organize something so elaborate as the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Therefore the Iraq invasion never happened. The overwhelming evidence that it did must all be just coincidences."

What's 3000 People...

What's 3000 People...

To a man willing to kill 250,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan?
To a man willing to let people die in the Gulf Coast?
To a man willing to use nuclear options as a first strike policy?
To a man willing to let women die from complicated pregnancies?
To a man willing to destroy an environment for future generations?
To a man willing to send other people's children to die in foreign wars?
To a man willing to stop medical progress?
To a man willing to let states go broke from expensive educational programs?
To a man willing to commit election fraud, twice?
To a man willing to let the sick suffer by denying them their medication?
To a man willing to show favortism in a country stricken with the AIDS virus?
To a man willing to out a CIA Operative at the risk of other people's lives?
To a man willing to take away our Civil Liberties?
To a man willing to put this country in debt for generations to come?
To a man willing to use a tragic day like 9/11 for most of the previously mentioned atrocities?

I ask again. What's 3000 people to George W. Bush?

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I agree Shoestring. I'll

I agree Shoestring. I'll even take it one step further...

In fact the Bush administration did fail in successfully organizing the "complex" events that transpired on 9-11.

They failed in their attempts to cover-up their devilish deeds. WTC 7 collapsing onto its own footprint obviously was a huge and complex failure!

Some have speculated that WTC 7 was a dud that was intended to implode along with the towers.

Instead WTC 7 fell later that afternoon at 5:20p, providing the most blatant SMOKING GUN that 9-11 was indeed an INSIDE JOB!

So great was the failure of WTC 7 that the 9-11 Commission could not even come up with a plausible enough reason to include it in the official report of what occurred that day. So they just left it out.

Who else but the Bush administration could be responsible for such a monumental blunder as this?

I've been on-board for about

I've been on-board for about 6 months here. And it was Steven Jones who cinched it for me. So, Cheney/Bush and the 911 cabal (which probably has elements in and out of the U.S. government)KNOW that middle eastern "terrorists" did not cause 911. Why is the Attorney General's Office, the Pentagon, and the White House supporting torture of "terrorists" who have nothing to confess to? Is it a psy ops thing to make all of us who dare to question the official conspiracy story think we ought to shut up or risk being a torturee?

To a man who happily sits by

To a man who happily sits by while a brutal "ally" invades another nation, kills thousands in the process and bombs it back 25 years in time.

I agree with Chris, everyone

I agree with Chris, everyone states how the 9/11 attacks were carried out with "military precision". Personally, the attacks looks like a major clusterf*ck to me.

I don't know what the original plan was supposed to be, but I doubt it included WTC7 falling in broad daylight in an obvious controlled demolition, that "hijacked" airplanes would be flying around North American airspace undeterred for over an hour, that the "infernos" in the two towers would fizzle out before they were "pulled", etc.

The only reason they have succeeded this far is due to the controlled mass media and the gullibility of the general public.

So great was the failure of

So great was the failure of WTC 7 that the 9-11 Commission could not even come up with a plausible enough reason to include it in the official report of what occurred that day. So they just left it out.

Who else but the Bush administration could be responsible for such a monumental blunder as this?

Good point! I guess you could argue that 9/11 and the subsequent cover-up was laced with typical Bush administration incompetence. That's why it's so blatantly obvious that the whole thing was an inside job!

Wow! Tommy Payne, thanks for

Wow! Tommy Payne, thanks for posting that link.

That Galloway is a pistol!!!

THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT

THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA
Analysis by G. Edward Griffin

"...
So what is going on here? Were agents of the federal government trying to kill American citizens? Were they trying to obtain the maximum death toll and the highest level of human suffering? It would seem that way at first, but I would like to suggest that this incredible behavior stems from something else - something equally unsettling.
...
It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law. This is what they have been trained to do. The reason they failed to carry out an effective rescue operation is that this was not their primary mission, and the reason they blocked others from doing so is that any operations not controlled by the central authority are contrary to their directives. Their objective was to bring the entire area under the control of the federal government - and this they succeeded in doing very well."

http://home.comcast.net/~gold

Perhaps WTC-7 was supposed

Perhaps WTC-7 was supposed to collapse when the North Tower (about 350 feet away) collapsed, but something went wrong.

They may be comitting torture to shut us up, and also to incite foreign "Muslims" & others to hate America & act like terrorists, providing the NeoCons with fresh Boogeymen to "protect us from."

It was clear from the start

It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law...

FEMA & Homeland/Fatherland Security have a frightening amount in common with Hitler's "Gestapo"!!!

Tommy, thanks for the link.

Tommy, thanks for the link. I got to show that SKY NEWS interview of Galloway to everyone I know who swallow the Faux News US-Israel propaganda. Galloway is absolutely awesome!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

http://blog.reidreport.com/up

Actually I wouldn't regard

Actually I wouldn't regard myself as a fan of GG, but it is nice to see someone redressing the balance.

There was also an excellent interview with the Syrian ambassador to The UK, Sami Khiyami, on BBC world, but it was on in the early hours and hasn't been repeated since.

Would those PM scums care to

Would those PM scums care to take the challenge of the National 9/11 Debate in Charleston?

ran across this on the

ran across this on the internet this morning -- Need some help guys.

http://www.wnbc.com/video/1465047/index.html

this is from a news report detailing what two tourists from Seattle saw and filmed on 9/11. What's signifigant IMO, is how close they are to WTC 1 and 2(they filmed from a hotel across the street). This report doesn't actually show the buildings falling, but if the actual tape does, it could be very important in proving the existence of squibs, charges, etc.

Does anyone know anything about this tape? One of the reporters noted it was 28 minutes long, which leads me to believe they caught the collapse as well.

Tommy, I don't even know who

Tommy, I don't even know who this Galloway guy is. But it's so good to see someone talking the truth, the way he did in that interview, in the face of that brainwashed infoterner.

Whats 3000

Whats 3000 people?????????

Gold, that's one hell of a post!
I'm saving that, for the morality card can be the biggest hurdle for me to get over when trying to wake some people up.

WELL DONE YOUNGMAN!

Toast

The Seattle couple's video

The Seattle couple's video was turned over in a secret meeting with Federal prosecutors for the Moussaoui trial.

So now that the sham trial is long over, where's the video???

you might enjoy this GG

you might enjoy this GG clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk

Some say Katrina was

Some say Katrina was man-made which is factually possible (and maybe they screwed up on purpose :( ) Note my weather homepage for more info.

Also, 911 could have been a result of super computers and elite software.

Richard Andrew Grove has touched on both of these issues.

I'm listening.

Wait, how long in advance

Wait, how long in advance had they been planning for that bogus Moussaoui trial???

Anonymous, that's exactly my

Anonymous, that's exactly my point -- where is that tape? I think it's very suspicious, knowing what the tape might, in fact, show.

Truth, You might try wading

Truth,

You might try wading through all the Moussaoui trial evidence here: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/

"Some say Katrina was

"Some say Katrina was man-made which is factually possible (and maybe they screwed up on purpose ) Note my weather homepage for more info.

Also, 911 could have been a result of super computers and elite software.

Richard Andrew Grove has touched on both of these issues.

I'm listening."

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The morality card is the

The morality card is the easiest hurdle for me and I almost laugh when people bring it up.

Jon G. had a nice list. But you could be very specific.

The incineration of 200,000 + people in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings is enough for me.

My lord Chris, that's a ton

My lord Chris, that's a ton of information to say the least. I'm digging right now, but the pesimistic side of me says I'm not going to find anything.

Jon Gold | 10:30 am Bad

Jon Gold | 10:30 am

Bad link :?:

>>The incineration of

>>The incineration of 200,000 + people in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings is enough for me.

Tommy, thanks for the link.

Tommy, thanks for the link. I got to show that SKY NEWS interview of Galloway to everyone I know who swallow the Faux News US-Israel propaganda. Galloway is absolutely awesome!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...h? v=249JaIaubVw
TNF | 08.07.06 - 9:59 am | #
Galloway has spoken so much truth to power, more than anyone in Britain and America combined.his performance in front of Congress over the oil for food scandal turned into Galloway just ripping the Senate a new asshole.(i suggest you find the tape of this, amazing stuff. i believe it was Senator Norm Coleman who got the worst of it) i just dont understand why the guy undercut his own credibility on that fuckin reality show he did.he screwed himself with that one.

George Galloway is THE man!

George Galloway is THE man! Brilliant stuff. Gawd I am so angry that the American people cannot see that the true hijackers(not some Saudis and Egyptians and Lebanese) are the fifth column neocon fascist warmongers puppeteering their simpleton President.

It is as plain as the nose on Karl Malden's face.

Incidentally, do you think if it had been five dancing Iraqis arrested on 9/11 we might have heard a little more about them than the Israeli "art students"?

HAHAHA!!! i think so...

HAHAHA!!! i think so...

All you have to do is

All you have to do is observe how major serial murderers operate and the various cloaks they use - like Denis Rader, and you can apply it to the neocons who are nothing less than serial murderers but who use this kind of murder for other results they can gain great power from.

So, when you see how these monsters like Denis Rader hide their true nature you can see it is possible for men high up abusing power to do the same. They hide behind this political con game using it to get what they want.

Anyone who has true morals would not allow these immoral criminals to continue with their charade. It's always the people in denial who harbor the most evil. They cannot face their faults or anyone elses and maintain this high moral ground, yet they can't face reality of how truly diabolicle and evil they are. they live a double life, convincing people they are good, while doing evil corrupt things behind the curtain.

If I had any power, these men would be hung from a tree after being severly whipped, denied food and water for 3 days.

"The morality card is the

"The morality card is the easiest hurdle for me and I almost laugh when people bring it up."

Easy for who...you????????
So let me get this straight: all you have to say when trying to wake someone up is the "Hiroshima/Nagasaki" incident
and BAM! the skeptic does a 180!....
I've been going about it all wrong.

Channel 4's Jon Snow shows

Channel 4's Jon Snow shows how to conduct an interview with a true terrorist sympathizer/facilitator/propagandist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS2ESHKhBQY

Are you watching Wolf Blitzer?

That News Hound site is a

That News Hound site is a great place to post comments.

Let's bring 9/11 Truth beyong the confines of the "Movement".

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/08/06/no_conspiracy_theories_in_the_heartl...

rtsp://video.c-span.org/proje

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/hur/hur120605_evacuees.rm

The torture, rapes, and

The torture, rapes, and killings of "uppity Arabs," i.e. Arabs and Muslims who don't jump on the globalist trans-national corporate bandwagon, isn't about deterring terrorism, it's more about social control and achieving a pliant, submissive, "stable" populace who will be more amenable to the neocon agenda.

Americans don't need to be subjected to the same kind of overt force because we live in fear of losing our jobs and having our lives ruined if we're arrested under the Patriot Act for protesting or committing civil disobedience and our media provides people a constant feel-good distraction in the form of sports, reality TV, and televangelism.

Soemtimes it surprises me

Soemtimes it surprises me just who will say the Bush Co. isn't smart enough to do 9/11. From a recent interview with Gore Vidal:

Q: What do you think of the conspiracy theories about September 11?

Vidal: I'm willing to believe practically any mischief on the part of the Bush people. No, I don't think they did it, as some conspiracy people think. Why? Because it was too intelligently done. This is beyond the competence of Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. They couldn't pull off a caper like 9/11. They are too clumsy.

so Vidal is basically saying

so Vidal is basically saying that 19 morons with box-cutters ARE smart enough, but people within the United States government with all the power,connections and capabilities that goes along with that are not? typical straw man shit from Vidal. "Bush and Cheney are not smart enough, therefor it COULDNT have been an inside job". Vidal knows thats not how the government works.as if Bush is anything more than a puppet who profits from war. what a coward Vidal is.

Gore vidal is an intelligent

Gore vidal is an intelligent and well-read man.

I just wish that he would read...

Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin

Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Rupert

Synthetic Terror by Webster Tarpley

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intelligent as hell, ive

intelligent as hell, ive read a lot of his stuff, as i have Chomskys, but the both of them are cowards to some degree. its over for them as soon as the big lie is exposed. at least Zinn admitted its possible that it was an inside job.

yes, zinn is the

yes, zinn is the man!!!!

this bums me out about vidal big time.... i think all of these big lefties have been threatened...

not directly, but Chomsky

not directly, but Chomsky gets grants from the government, so do many other "lefty radicals". i dont think they have been physically threatened, but in other, more subtle ways, im sure they have. just look at Judy Wood.

Jon, Great list. Was

Jon,

Great list. Was this written down somewhere, or did this just flow off the top of you head? I wouldn't be surprised. While a majority of those posting here know all of these facts, its important to have summaries like this for promotion. If you don't mind, I might like to use the idea for a flyer. Keep it coming!

That's an old one Jules...

That's an old one Jules... :D

Feel free to use it.

"blatantly obvious".....

"blatantly obvious"..... how's that for a summary?

Should make a great T-shirt.

Thanks, shoestring.