Loose Change's Jason Bermas on MSNBC today at 12:30 EST
Reprehensor Mon, 08/07/2006 - 5:25pm
Check it out at 911podcasts here:
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=152
Also, you can check it out on YouTube, via Alex Jones, here:
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070806_bermas_msnbc.html
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"I think Jason did really
"I think Jason did really well. He would have gotten to Bldg. 7, etc., if he hadn't been cut off."
That's not an accurate observation at all. He was asked POINT BLANK as to which point was the strongest to support an alternative view. Bermas' reply...the Pentagon.
Bermas is a cool dude.
Bermas is a cool dude. Dylan sometimes comes across as a smarmy, cocky guy looking out for his fifteen minutes, whereas I get the impression Bermas really feels deep down this country is f-ed.
Whoa!...Somebody get that
Whoa!...Somebody get that video.
Avery, Rowe, & Bermas are
Avery, Rowe, & Bermas are the best!!! They are much like the fantastic German & French resistance of WWII.
Great news. Hope he does
Great news. Hope he does well.
what if people got wealthy
what if people got wealthy by revealing the truth?
hmmmm.......
Does anyone know where I can
Does anyone know where I can obtain advance copies of DRG, Tarpley's & even the popular mechanics hit-book before their release dates?
Oh, and also the
Oh, and also the pulp-fiction Thomas Kean book^?
I would like to see much
I would like to see much more 9/11 truth graffiti & other non-violent civil disobedience! I'll risk a tick/summons to get more truth out!
Anonymous, the Pop Mech book
Anonymous, the Pop Mech book is already out. Amazon is taking orders for DRG's book, and if Tarpley has a new book on the way, (I haven't heard of it), you can write his publisher at;
http://waronfreedom.org/
GUYS GIRLS Please please
GUYS GIRLS Please please please someone tape it and post this. I will be away all day!
That would be great!
I dont want to miss that.
Ronnied
www.487ptown.com
Yes, please. This should be
Yes, please. This should be quite interesting!
Sorry, rep. I see the
Sorry, rep. I see the Tarpley book was indeed released in June. (I didn't know the PM junk-book was being sold yet.)
Guys, I can have this taped
Guys, I can have this taped and posted shortly after it airs. I'm not makeing any promises on the quality though.
Go, Jason, go!
Go, Jason, go!
Hey, which guy is Jason (I
Hey, which guy is Jason (I mean, what does he do on the LC team? Is he the researcher?)
As a matter of fact, I know
As a matter of fact, I know it's going to be shitty quality. But I'll have it. :)
"Dylan sometimes comes
"Dylan sometimes comes across as a smarmy, cocky guy looking out for his fifteen minutes.
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 10:40 am | #"
You wanna use your name when you sling accusations like that?
what if people got wealthy
what if people got wealthy by revealing the truth?
hmmmm.......
bozo | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 11:02 am | #
you mean like moore??? where has that fat ass been???
i hope its the guy that
i hope its the guy that talked shit to the fireman in nyc...
dylan, fuck that guy... just keep up the good work bud....
Popular mechanic's new book
Popular mechanic's new book will only raise even more questions.
I'm trying to post this, but
I'm trying to post this, but my computer is hanging when I try to post it:
Google Blackout on 9/11 Truth?
The AP story "9/11 conspiracy theorists thriving" has been picked up by many news outlets. See, for example, this Yahoo News search.
Hits on Google? None.
Write to Google and demand they stop censoring 9/11 stories.
youve got to be kidding...
youve got to be kidding... thats fucked...
Here is an example of the
Here is an example of the video and sound quality I'm currently able to record with. I just did this a few minutes ago.
http://www.bolt.com/gillist/video/1869611?cn=STREAM_gillist_video_large_...
If someone else can record with better quality, then I suggest they do it. But if this is cool with you guys, then it's cool with me and I'll record it.
"i hope its the guy that
"i hope its the guy that talked shit to the fireman in nyc...
dylan, fuck that guy... just keep up the good work bud....
inside | 08.07.06 - 11:38 am | # "
yea, very same guy. :D
mike, we'll be recording it,
mike, we'll be recording it, too, if anyone needs it.
Thanks Because right now my
Thanks
Because right now my recording capabilities are pretty shitty right now, as you can see.
It is on Google News. Try
It is on Google News. Try searching in "scholars for 9/11 truth".
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=%22scholars+for+9/11+truth%22&btnG=G...
GW, I get some hits on
GW, I get some hits on news.google.com
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.chron.c...
Popular mechanic's new book
Popular mechanic's new book will only raise even more questions.
geggy | 08.07.06 - 11:39 am | #
Questions that 9/11 truthers will easily refute, and reveal to be purposely fraudulent!
I'm sure the book will contain invented strawmen-agruments, just like the b.s. article in their magazine did.
no biggie man, we can only
no biggie man, we can only work with what we have. :D
btw, i wouldn't say bermas was talking shit to the fireman. paul came up to us and started harassing us because we were trying to hand a woman a DVD, and he associated us with WingTV. bermas was just trying to reason with him.
c'est la vie.
Yeah, go to the news section
Yeah, go to the news section of Google and do a search. Lots of links.
Like this one written by Michel Chossudovsky.
9-11 "conspiracy theorists" vindicated: Pentagon deliberately misled public opinion; military officials made false statements to Congress and to the 9-11 Commission
Michael Smircanish will be
Michael Smircanish will be the host on MSNBC (the same guy who manhandled Mike Berger a few weeks ago on Scarborough Country)
btw, i wouldn't say bermas
btw, i wouldn't say bermas was talking shit to the fireman. paul came up to us and started harassing us because we were trying to hand a woman a DVD, and he associated us with WingTV. bermas was just trying to reason with him.
c'est la vie.
dylan | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 11:57 am | #
i didnt mean it in a bad way... my bad.. i thought that he kicked ass when he was "talking" with that fireman.... i need someone like him to hit the streets with me...
"Michael Smircanish will be
"Michael Smircanish will be the host on MSNBC (the same guy who manhandled Mike Berger a few weeks ago on Scarborough Country)"
Bermas left the house for Albany in a confident, great mood. We'll see how he does. :D
inside, i know, don't stress
inside, i know, don't stress it. i was just clarifying for the blackmail hounds.
9-11 Truth Movement: Focus
9-11 Truth Movement: Focus or Die
http://falseflagnews.com/terrordrills/9-11_truth_movement_focus_or_die
im from the philly area, so
im from the philly area, so i have to put up with that Smerconish asshole more than most people. the guy is a true "believer" when it comes to the "war on terror". good luck with that clown.
sorry this is
sorry this is long....but
Simulated nuclear explosion planned in Hawaii for Aug 14-16
(FalseFlagNews Editor's note: This is more blatant martial law prep....see the highlighted text. Remember, on 9-11 the U.S. government ran 15 drills and war games, with many "simulated" hijackings. These drills are used as a cover for government-sponsored terror to be blamed on patsy networks. For more, please visit our section: Why monitor the drills and war games?)
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Also, see Mass terror drills in Illinois Aug 4-9
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Simulated nuclear explosion planned in Hawaii for Aug 14-16
Original Article link: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060711/NE...
By William Cole
Honolulu Advertiser
Military Writer
The state plans to hold an exercise in mid-August simulating the explosion of a half-kiloton nuclear device at the entrance of Honolulu Harbor, a mock blast that theoretically would result in 10,000 casualties.
State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Robert G.F. Lee, head of the Hawai'i National Guard, said Hawai'i is one of the first to take on the nuclear device planning.
Several hundred state and military planners and first responders will take part Aug. 14 to 16 in "Exercise 'A Kele."
Edward Teixeira, vice director of state Civil Defense, said the name of the exercise uses the Hawaiian words " 'a," for hot and fiery, and "kele," for impurity, signifying radiation.
The Department of Homeland Security about two years ago developed 15 national planning scenarios, including simulating an "improvised nuclear device" explosion.
Planned for a year and a half, 'A Kele comes as Hawai'i reportedly was targeted on the Fourth of July in a North Korean test of a long-range Taepodong-2 missile that U.S. officials said blew up 42 seconds or sooner after launch.
The half-kiloton explosion being simulated in Honolulu is smaller than the 15-kiloton bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945. A larger, 22-kiloton device exploded over Nagasaki.
Teixeira said the blast radius for the simulated exercise will encompass the diamondhead end of Honolulu Harbor, overlap Sand Island, and with prevailing winds, a plume will extend out to sea paralleling 'Ewa Beach.
State and federal military command and emergency responders will take part, including U.S. Pacific Command at Camp Smith.
"Essentially, you will see many emergency operations centers going round the clock," Teixeira said.
Although Honolulu Harbor is the site for the simulated explosion, Bellows Air Force Station will represent "ground zero" for the blast, and several hundred emergency responders will have roles there, including the state Urban Search and Rescue Team to search for casualties, and the Honolulu Fire Department, which will work with the health department's radiological monitoring team, Teixeira said.
Lee said he didn't want to turn the exercise into a mass casualty drill, and "we're not going to shut down commerce."
But he said it would be big enough, using computers and other communications, to simulate the loss of 30 percent of island communications.
TEST-CASE SCENARIO
The exercise will help the state develop a nuclear explosion evacuation plan. Officials said there is a terrorism response plan calling for a collective state and federal response using the powers of the president to declare a disaster.
"(But) for a nuclear scenario like (the one planned), that particular plan has to be developed," Teixeira said. "So this is good. It forces us to get there."
During the Cold War years, there was a plan to deal with radiological fallout and an evacuation plan to create one-way streets and move people away from Pearl Harbor and the Honolulu area — likely target areas — and up to the North Shore, Teixeira said.
There also was a component to airlift and sealift possibly 100,000 people to Neighbor Islands, he said.
"Once we find out what happens (in the upcoming scenario), we'll be calling for (simulated) evacuations back to a safer distance," Teixeira said. "It may not be all the way to the North Shore, but I'm thinking in those terms, because when you see something like that go off, and we start picking up radiological readings, you don't know where the buffer zone is going to be."
Teixeira said in a real nuclear explosion, there likely would be a lot of fires and calls coming in from all over the city to 911. An electromagnetic pulse could make phones go dead.
A presidential disaster declaration would allow the Federal Emergency Management Agency and military to work with the state. If that couldn't be obtained right away, U.S. Pacific Command would be able to assist the state until a declaration was made.
MODEL FOR DISASTERS
Lee said the state was out front when it conducted an avian flu exercise last August, and for the upcoming training "we'll be shown high interest" from the Defense Department because it is trying to build a nationwide exercise on improvised nuclear devices, Lee said.
"They are going to take a lot of lessons learned from Hawai'i," he said.
Although the exercise is occurring in the wake of the North Korean missile test, officials said it was planned long before.
In comments yesterday, Lee also downplayed the danger to Hawai'i of the missile test, which the conservative Japanese newspaper Sankei reported targeted waters off the state.
"It's good to be a small set of islands in the middle of the Pacific, because there is absolutely a huge difference between the ability to reach, and the ability to actually hit something," Lee said.
"I think we're giving too much technical credit to the ability of the North Koreans."
Beyond that, Lee questioned the veracity of the Japanese report saying Hawai'i was targeted.
"All I can say is I have not received any factual basis that lends credibility to that report," he said.
GREATER THREAT
An improvised nuclear device may be a more real threat.
John Pike, director of Virginia-based military think tank GlobalSecurity.org, said a version of a North Korean medium range missile will fit inside a 40-foot cargo container.
"You can put those cargo containers on tramp steamers that you can buy on Web sites for $1 million apiece, and there are 100,000 ships like that," Pike said. "The United States does not have positive identification of all those ships."
Lee said the security "is fine within the state of Hawai'i," and people should make preparations for natural disasters and have water and other supplies on hand, but an improvised nuclear device "is a little more realistic threat we have to prepare for than a (North Korean) missile."
RED ALERT: US-Canadian exercise "Vigilant Guardian" Aug 17-26 (same exercise run on 9-11)
(FFN Editors note: These same "Vigilant Guardian" drills were being run on 9-11 in order to deplete the NORAD air defenses and set up fake hijackings. More coming soon on these drills in August...)
http://www.broadcastermagazine.com/issues/ISArticle.asp?id=58878&issue=0...
Daily News Friday, August 04, 2006
Media Invited to Embed with Canadian Army
Members of the broadcast and print media are being invited to embed with the Canadian Army, and to experience a "battle rhythm" of combat-related activities and exercises.
Some 2,500 soldiers from across Ontario will be involved in what's called a "practise Full-Spectrum Operation" during EXERCISE VIGILANT GUARDIAN '06, to be held in Petawawa, ON from Saturday, August 19 to Sunday, August 27.
The exercise is described as a chance for reporters and news crews to experience the embedding process and to get an inside look at life in a Forward Operating Base; living with, patrolling with, and reporting on Canadian soldiers in an operation-like setting.
Opportunities include: cordon-and-search operations, presence patrolling, raids and vehicle checkpoints. As well, there will be opportunities to cover artillery live-fire and armoured reconnaissance.
Embedding media can sign up for as long as they want, up to the duration of the Exercise.
There will be high-speed Internet connections available at an Exercise Public Information Centre to assist media in sending/filing their stories from Petawawa; media are advised to bring their own laptop computers for composing stories.
For embeds, the ideal is to plan for a two-and-a-half day embed, with a first half-day for orientation prior embedding on the first evening. The second day reporters would integrate with soldiers as the troops ready themselves in a planning and preparation cycle. Reporters are given insight into battle procedure, and will accompany the soldiers on assignment the third day.
The exercise will involve all 40 of the Reserve units of Land Force Central Area (LFCA), the Army command in Ontario. Air Force, Communication, and Field Ambulance Reservists will also deploy to support the exercise.
Full-spectrum operations can include simultaneous combination of humanitarian assistance, stabilization and/or peace support operations, generally set within the context of medium-intensity fighting, exercise spokepeople describe. As the culmination of a year of training, Vigilant Guardian '06 is designed to demonstrate the skills and cohesion of the units involved and will simulate as closely as possible actual overseas operations.
A suggested packing list of personal gear and clothing for media is provided to the media, with notes on clothing to be worn and suggested items for a small knapsack.
Packing List for Embedded Media – based on a 48-72 hour embed:
Clothing to be worn
(All clothing should be of a neutral colour – especially avoid white, bright or fluorescent colours.)
Sturdy hiking-type boots
Heavyweight socks & lightweight socks (A "sock system" of a lightweight synthetic sock on the inside and a hea
dylan, Tell Jason to have
dylan,
Tell Jason to have his shields up for a Popular Mechanics smack-down.
The MSM is promoting the new PM "debunking" book by sandbagging Truthers.
I do believe this is what happened to Fetzer last night.
you mean like moore??? where
you mean like moore??? where has that fat ass been???
Hey Inside, did you see that prick on Terrorstorm???? Alex asked him why he doesn't cover 9/11 Truth, and Michael Moore said that wouldn't be patriotic or something like that.
Worthless piece of crap, just getting all the liberals all riled up before the election, gotta keep that "two party system" lie going ya know...
Corrections: Fetzer says he
Corrections:
Fetzer says he wasn't confronted with the Pop Mechanics stuff, but someone else that I talked to who saw the "Heartland" segment (on Saturday night, not last night), says that they followed Fetzer with Pop Mech stuff.
Anyone get that on tape? I didn't even know about it.
I don't get MSNBC, someone's
I don't get MSNBC, someone's gotta keep those of us in the dark informed please...
This letter from
This letter from 911eyewitness.com, not sure I've seen it here, dated last friday:
Open Letter to Prof. Steven Jones 23 Reasons 4 Fusion
Was Jason pulled at the last
Was Jason pulled at the last moment or something?
i dont think so. Smerconish
i dont think so. Smerconish plugged it a few minutes ago.
i'm going to buy the new
i'm going to buy the new popular mechanics book...see what this is about, and if it makes any new arguments.
Moore is a coward. Alex
Moore is a coward. Alex Jones puts that fraud to shame. remember when Alex Jones confronted David Gergan about Bohemian Grove? classic. he also confronted Bush when he was governor(and got picked up by the cops for it),Janet Reno and Albright. lets see Michael Moore do that.
the book will be a larger
the book will be a larger version of the bullshit hit-piece from the magazine. i doubt they will have any new "arguments" in it. just a bunch of straw man bullshit.
Dylan, don't let the
Dylan, don't let the naysayers get you down.
Professors Jones and Fetzer get alot of attack pieces written about them.
Even I get the occassional hate mail:)
Just do the best job you can on LC: Final Cut, and let everything else "fall like water off of a duck's back" or whatever the expression is.
i'm going to buy the new
i'm going to buy the new popular mechanics book...see what this is about, and if it makes any new arguments.
Don't buy the book. That would be feeding the beast.. like paying to have CNNBCBS sewage piped into your living room. Pick it up in a Borders Book Store, grab a big comfy chair, and skim it there. Put a Deception Dollar bookmark in the middle, do so with all the other copies... just don't PAY FOR IT.
this Popular Mechanics book
this Popular Mechanics book is gonna be the sheeps best friend. Smerconish says-"it refutes EACH AND EVERY POINT!". wow. what a bastard. great job Bermas.
If the pod on the plane
If the pod on the plane issue is indeedy in PM's new book, I'm going to laugh.
so this is what its gonna
so this is what its gonna be. Popular Mechanics and the rightwing sheep army versus the truth movement.
GW, what, me worry? :D in my
GW, what, me worry? :D
in my opinion bermas just did an outstanding job considering what he was up against. he DID slip and say "we know they're alive", but thankfully Smirconish gave him the opporunity to correct himself.
he also didn't get to mention that this morning we got a Free DVD request from one of Burlingame's relatives...
Jason did a good job. What
Jason did a good job. What an ass this other guy was, and what's with Popular Mechnics going back to their bullshit ....? Everybody write Popular Mechnics and give them a piece......lol. I'm going to. Nice work Jason, love it that he had on an Investigate 9/11 t-shrit.
Gotta love how Popular
Gotta love how Popular Mechanics is brought up as the ultimate bastion of truth! lol
Has anyone actually read that new Popular Mechanics book that supposidly disproves 9/11 truth? I'm guessing that it's nothing more than a glorified reprint of the magazine hit piece.
Wow the host was rude.
Wow the host was rude.
how many times did
how many times did Smerconish say "it refutes each and every point!" about the P.M. book? 4? 5? god that pisses me off. looks like his 18 year old kid is a lot more intelligent than his dad.
encoding the video to MPEG4
encoding the video to MPEG4 Quicktime right now, unless someone else has beaten me to it...
Dylan, why don't you &
Dylan, why don't you & Bermas ever cite "Operation Northwoods" when people ask you about the "passengers"???
40+ years ago, Operations Northwoods, which came within a pen-stroke of being enacted, called for passenger-planes/swapped drones to be shot down, Americans to be killed, additional imposter passengers as college students, staged funerals, etc.???
"im from the philly area, so
"im from the philly area, so i have to put up with that Smerconish asshole more than most people. the guy is a true "believer" when it comes to the "war on terror". good luck with that clown."
Regarding Press For Truth. Your concerns are covered. A family member asks how those towers could come down so fast. WTC7 is shown, and NIST's failure to come up with a solution for WTC7 is mentioned.
thats what i say poopy!!!!
thats what i say poopy!!!! dont give them any of your money!!!!
Definitely don't buy the
Definitely don't buy the book, I like the deception dollar bookmark idea. I'll have to spend more time in bookstores...
he also didn't get to
he also didn't get to mention that this morning we got a Free DVD request from one of Burlingame's relatives...
dylan | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 12:57 pm | #
holy shit. thats cool. im sure its not Debra, shes on the payroll in my opinion. shes about the only victims family member that has been visible in the media at all(funny how that works), and she was saying how pleased she was with the Commission and she stumped for Bush/Cheney in 04.
Dylan: Keep up the great
Dylan: Keep up the great work! And I'm looking forward to seeing Bermas' interview.
WTC7 is shown, and NIST's
WTC7 is shown, and NIST's failure to come up with a solution for WTC7 is mentioned.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:01 pm | # '
sounds good. not to nitpick, but i hope they mention who the tenants of WTC7 were, as thats pretty crucial in my opinion.
It's obvious that the host
It's obvious that the host was biased as hell, but the question is will others who have never been exposed to 9/11 truth notice it?
sbg, yes i remember that as
sbg, yes i remember that as clear as day... what a jerk off...
i thought it was a joke at first but not anymore...
that fat fuck doesnt even have a message board because he would get so much shit if he did...
naw it wasn't deb. here's a
naw it wasn't deb. here's a snip...
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My relative, Charles Burlingame III, was the pilot of Flight 77 that ultimately crashed into the Pentagon. The family believes that he was most likely murdered because he would not relinquish control of the plane, or the safety of his passengers, unless he was dead. My aunt [redacted] is his first cousin. I witnessed the carnage of the World Trade Centers that day from my office building and have a hard time believing that the government was NOT involved.
If you find it in yourselves to send a DVD, I would appreciate it. If not, I thank you for taking the time to read this and I thank you for all that you do.
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we've also heard from at least 10 of Mark Bingham's friends. they're as puzzled as we are.
i mean, the place was
i mean, the place was friggin spook central. control center anyone?
Dylan, why don't you & Avery
Dylan, why don't you & Avery ever cite "Operation Northwoods" when asked about "passengers"???
Northwoods called for Americans to be killed, passenger planes to be shot down, agents to pose as college-student passengers; drones disguised as airliners, fake funerals, etc. etc.???
Northwood came within the stroke of JFK's pen to be enacted, & Bush ain't no JFK!
dylan,do any of these family
dylan,do any of these family members plan on being in Final Cut? that would be quite a "get".
Sorry, I meant you &
Sorry, I meant you & Bermas^.
How come we never hear from
How come we never hear from them 10 friends of Mark Binghem?
I saw that duchebag
I saw that duchebag Smerconish talking with Chris Matthews yesterday. He said that the American public cares more about Mel Gibson's anti-semitic rant than they do about the wars with Iraq or Lebanon. What a dick.
JFK was becoming rogue near
JFK was becoming rogue near the end(he wanted to abolish the CIA,federal reserve and the Vietnam war, all big no-nos), thats why he was killed. he started to actually do his job as president so they killed him. Bush played the part of puppet, so hes still alive.
On main stream T.V. I mean.
On main stream T.V. I mean.
thats what LC2 starts off
thats what LC2 starts off with...
mikeJR: i don't need to
mikeJR: i don't need to prove anything to you. take it or leave it.
Look at all our videos &
Look at all our videos & photos of the Pentagon! A fireball smashed through numerous concrete walls @ 530 mph. Some "plane" fragments left. HTF did they ID the passengers w/DNA or otherwise???
dylan you've proven enough
dylan
you've proven enough for me, I was only being sarcastic.
FYI: I HATE MAINSTREAM T.V.
FYI:
I HATE MAINSTREAM T.V.
mikeJR: i don't need to
mikeJR: i don't need to prove anything to you. take it or leave it.
dylan | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:10 pm | #
Sound like an imposter Dylan Avery^ to me.
---Dylan, why don't you &
---Dylan, why don't you & Bermas ever cite "Operation Northwoods" when people ask you about the "passengers"---
Fuck Operation Northwoods, it was never put into effect. How about Operation Gladio which involved NATO and the CIA and actually killed lots of people.
Sword Play: Attacking Civilians to Justify "Greater Security"
by Chris Floyd
You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."
This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West -- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies.
First revealed by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti in 1991, Gladio (from the Latin for "sword") is still protected to this day by its founding patrons, the CIA and MI6. Yet parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have shaken out a few fragments of the truth over the years. These have been gathered in a new book, "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe," by Daniele Ganser, as Lila Rajiva reports on CommonDreams.org.
Originally set up as a network of clandestine cells to be activated behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, Gladio quickly expanded into a tool for political repression and manipulation, directed by NATO and Washington. Using right-wing militias, underworld figures, government provocateurs and secret military units, Gladio not only carried out widespread terrorism, assassinations and electoral subversion in democratic states such as Italy, France and West Germany, but also bolstered fascist tyrannies in Spain and Portugal, abetted the military coup in Greece and aided Turkey's repression of the Kurds.
Among the "smoking guns" unearthed by Ganser is a Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, which details the methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" against "communist subversion." Ironically, the manual states that the most dangerous moment comes when leftist groups "renounce the use of force" and embrace the democratic process. It is then that "U.S. army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger." Naturally, these peace-throttling "special operations must remain strictly secret," the document warns.
Indeed, it would not do for the families of the 85 people ripped apart by the Aug. 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station to know that their loved ones had been murdered by "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence," as the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation in 2000.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html
That reminds me, I have to
That reminds me, I have to turn off msnbc!!!!
dylan you've proven enough
dylan
you've proven enough for me, I was only being sarcastic.
MikeJr. | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:11 pm | #
oh i'm sorry man...my bad. :D
Sound like an imposter Dylan Avery^ to me.
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 1:13 pm | #
another profound insight from Anonymous.
Sound like an imposter Dylan
Sound like an imposter Dylan Avery^ to me.
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 1:13 pm | #
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^sounds like an imposter Anonymous^ to me.
oh oh, and dylan, why isnt
oh oh, and dylan, why isnt LC2 perfect in everyway???? why doesnt it have the things that i want in it in it???
just kiddng!!!
i say that if 50% is true then thats enough to show that 911 was an inside job.... end of story!!!
anyone that doesnt show people this film are tards.... HAHAH!!!
Why is everyone so concerned
Why is everyone so concerned about a book that supposedly debunks citizens that question a report, written by a Commission, a Commission that the very family members who fought for its' creation, just declared "derelict in its duties"?
Why is everyone so concerned about a book that supposedly debunks citizens that question a report that is based on testimony, that, as those same family members stated, came from people who "had no reason to state the truth?"
Fuck Operation Northwoods,
Fuck Operation Northwoods, it was never put into effect.
Do you think we are fools??? Northwoods came within an inch of being reality, you disgusting shill!!! NORTHWOODS IS A GIGANTIC SMOKING GUN!!!
lol at/with MikeJr.
lol at/with MikeJr.
Why are people so concerned
Why are people so concerned about one book, when we have many books on our side?
Still sounds like an
Still sounds like an imposter Avery to me!
Do you think we are fools???
Do you think we are fools??? Northwoods came within an inch of being reality, you disgusting shill!!! NORTHWOODS IS A GIGANTIC SMOKING GUN!!!
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 1:18 pm
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Northwoods just sets pressadence for this kind of stuff to happen. It doesn't prove anything!!!!
Still sounds like an
Still sounds like an imposter Avery to me!
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 1:19 pm | #
you sound like an imposter anonymous to me!!
The purpose of Northwoods,
The purpose of Northwoods, for the movement, is to prove that our Government is MORE THAN CAPABLE of murdering its' own citizens. PERIOD
because Jon, sadly, many
because Jon, sadly, many americans believe what they see and hear on tv, and if enough rightwing toolbags get on tv and claim, like the tool Smerconish did, that-"this book refutes EVERYTHING about the conspiracy theories!!!",many people will believe that. that will be good enough for some. sad but true. im not concerned so much though, as most people who fall for that type of shit are not the ones that will tip the scales anyway. those sheep will clutch the official story until their favorite talking head on tv tells them its ok not to anymore.its rational people that dont buy everything the corporate media sells that we need to reach.im not so worried about this book, but it sure as hell pisses me off anyway.
Jason did great, I was
Jason did great, I was hoping he mention WTC7. not sure how you could refute that.
Other then the fact that it
Other then the fact that it was known to many that something like 9/11 could happen. Which we was told know one had a clue it could happen.
I don't think the real Avery
I don't think the real Avery would tell MikeJr. he "doesn't have to prove anything to him."
link to media?
link to media?
I don't think the real Avery
I don't think the real Avery would tell MikeJr. he "doesn't have to prove anything to him."
Anonymous
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How well do you know Mr. Avery, Anonymous?
I have my shitty ass quality
I have my shitty ass quality video uploaded here!!!
http://www.bolt.com/gillist/video/1870431?cn=STREAM_gillist_video_large_...
Seems like the is some
Seems like the is some limited-hangout stuff going on here!
I don't care if you guys think we have to release the truth gradually to avoid a panic of some sort.
I want the truth released YESTERDAY! I'm not willing to risk another false-flag attack by revealing the truth slowly!
Damn, MikeJr. my work is
Damn, MikeJr. my work is blocking your link, any other way to get it?
"because Jon, sadly, many
"because Jon, sadly, many americans believe what they see and hear on tv, and if enough rightwing toolbags get on tv and claim, like the tool Smerconish did, that-"this book refutes EVERYTHING about the conspiracy theories!!!",many people will believe that. that will be good enough for some. sad but true. im not concerned so much though, as most people who fall for that type of shit are not the ones that will tip the scales anyway. those sheep will clutch the official story until their favorite talking head on tv tells them its ok not to anymore.its rational people that dont buy everything the corporate media sells that we need to reach.im not so worried about this book, but it sure as hell pisses me off anyway."
Don't be. It won't cover things like Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, the Commission's conflicts of interest, Philip Zelikow, the fight against investigating 9/11 from the Bush Administration, the Pakistani ISI, who scheduled and was in control of the wargames having to do with hijackings, etc...
Do you think we are fools???
Don't be an idiot! Northwoods was defeated only because JFK had a conscience & balls! Bush has neither!
Here is link to Jason B on
Here is link to Jason B on MSNBC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4473209961958916048
JFK's speech on how our
JFK's speech on how our government was being infiltrated by a secret society:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU
he was assassinated 10 days later!
Refusing to sign-off on
Refusing to sign-off on Northwoods is another reason JFK was murdered, probably with Bush, Sr. in the background!
wait for dylans
wait for dylans
thanks for the shitty ass
thanks for the shitty ass video - video quality is not that important - i couldn't have seen it without your efforts!
JFK was correct, our gov't
JFK was correct, our gov't is infested with mafia-like secret societies that plague us like vermin! Time for patriot exterminators to take back out country & restore the constitution!
Dylan...maybe a couple
Dylan...maybe a couple soundbites from that JFK speech could be included in LCfc, just a suggestion.
PNAC NeoCons, Skull &
PNAC NeoCons, Skull & Boners, Bilderbergs, Ilumminati...We need to disinfect ourselves from these bacteria by shining sunlight on them!
"Refusing to sign-off on
"Refusing to sign-off on Northwoods is another reason JFK was murdered, probably with Bush, Sr. in the background!"....You got that right. Especially the part about Bush.
thanks for the shitty ass
thanks for the shitty ass video - video quality is not that important - i couldn't have seen it without your efforts!
bozo
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Did the entire clip play for you? Because I think I'm haveing trouble with it.
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Here is link to Jason B on MSNBC
http://video.google.com/ videopla...209961958916048
TT | 08.07.06 - 1:28 pm
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Thanks TT
Given the recent attention
Given the recent attention to the lies of NORAD and Pentagon, I think Truthers at this time should be flogging the "wargames" angle on TV. It's still the best smoking gun, in the sense that someone had to plan it (that someone might be found, whereas controlled demolition is a tougher go), and the wargames are too astounding a coincidence to dismiss. Somebody pull at that thread.
I must say, Im quite
I must say, Im quite impressed.
Jason presented himself and our movement extremely well. All of his answers were right on point and all were very quick to respond.
Great job Jason!
9/11 post at daily
9/11 post at daily kos:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/7/132217/8897
http://www.loosechange911.com
http://www.loosechange911.com/download/msnbc_bermas.mov
I don't think the real Avery would tell MikeJr. he "doesn't have to prove anything to him."
Anonymous
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How well do you know Mr. Avery, Anonymous?
MikeJr. | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:23 pm | #
hey, i already apologized, i mis-interpreted what mike said. it's hard to tell a person's emotions through a computer screen.
whoops...here you go
whoops...here you go guys...
http://www.loosechange911.com/download/msnbc_bermas.mov
The purpose of Northwoods,
The purpose of Northwoods, for the movement, is to prove that our Government is MORE THAN CAPABLE of murdering its' own citizens. PERIOD
I am not really disputing that, but with the fact remains Northwoods never got off the ground while Operation Gladio did. In Operation Gladio NATO and the CIA actually did kill (or at least knowingly allow) hundreds of innocent civilians to be killed and would have endangered American lives as well since many Americans live and travel in Europe and could easily have been caught in one of their false flag terror attacks.
Operation Gladio was a NATO/CIA/MI6 black flag op that actually did get off the ground and in which innocent people were killed to put the blame on someone else. So throw Gladio at the media whores when they say it's unbelievable that our own government would kill it's own people. They did n't mind killing innocent civilians living in Europe, supposedly citizens of allied nations.
Quote:
Indeed, it would not do for the families of the 85 people ripped apart by the Aug. 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station to know that their loved ones had been murdered by "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence," as the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation in 2000.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html
The post is pretty bland,
The post is pretty bland, but is at least chipping away at the credibility of the Commission.
Interesting that disinfo agent Mia Dolan is even recommending the diary, and calling for a new investigation.
Hmm . . . new investigation does seem to be the fall back position.
Dylan, Loose Change is
Dylan, Loose Change is awesome, its helped me show loads of people the truth. I not actually heard a bad word about it from anyone Ive lent/given a copy to.
anonymous, why don't YOU go
anonymous, why don't YOU go on MSNBC? go on.
you'll actually have to reveal your name and face, though, so...
dylan | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:58 pm | #
What the hell are you talking about??? You're telling me the below is not a great question that begs for an answer???
Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how the IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 1:55 pm | #
"it's hard to tell a
"it's hard to tell a person's emotions through a computer screen."
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No doubt, man.
Thanks Dylan! God bless
Thanks Dylan! God bless you.
Dylan, when asked about
Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how the IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???
After reviewing the video,
After reviewing the video, it looks like Jason did a fine job going over what was offered, and surprisingly Smerconish didn't do a "Hannity!"
For what it was, it was quite reasonable on both sides.
Thanks to the lack of onscreen vitriol, this piece will definately add more people to the discovery process, do in part to the loosechange911.com link mentioned earlier on.
It was quite civil. That, by itself, is refreshing.
... as the worm continues to turn!
Thank you for telling him
Thank you for telling him that he is very rude for saying "where is the plane? Area 51?" What a jerk, you put him in his place.
Good job bud!
Felt rather positive to me, keep up the hard work. (You are reaching so many people with tthe truth.)
Can't wait to see the final cut!
anonymous, why don't YOU go
anonymous, why don't YOU go on MSNBC? go on.
you'll actually have to reveal your name and face, though, so...
Right on, simuvac. We're
Right on, simuvac. We're supposed to focus? That's the topic on which to focus... the war games. Keep asking the question(s) that no one in the chain of command has ever answered. Who was in charge? Who scheduled the events? etc etc
"Poor record-keeping", my ass.
We've got the questions; just keep asking them.
Sure, we can have a new
Sure, we can have a new investigation, as BushCo, and the Commission sit behind bars. Waiting for their time to be called to testify.
mikeJR: cheers mate. thanks
mikeJR: cheers mate. thanks for the TV rip! :D
GREAT article, highly
GREAT article, highly recommended:
http://falseflagnews.com/terrordrills/9-11_truth_movement_focus_or_die
i'm telling you that we
i'm telling you that we brought up both that AND Operation Northwoods in Loose Change 2nd Edition.
why don't you stop bossing people around and actually accomplish something?
I'm not bossing anyone
I'm not bossing anyone around. Whether your the real Avery or not, I sense a bit of slow-release truth going on.
I think Jason did a decent
I think Jason did a decent job. I'd say he hit a double, not a home run.
We've got to do a better job of turning the tables on these biased hosts.
For example, when the host says, I've read the Pop Mech book, a good retort would have been, "so how do they explain, WTC7's collapse?" and "why was WTC7 omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report?"
These news people are huge on conjecture, but when pressed for facts, the most they are able to come up with are specious arguments at best.
I agree with a previous posts, that Northwoods would have been a brilliant response to the "whatever happened to the passengers" question.
That being said, it's tough to think on your feet when your being attacked by a biased government shill on live TV.
Mr. Bermas and Mr. Avery have my respect.
I'm having a hard time
I'm having a hard time connecting to loosechange911.com... Is it getting hammered by hits since the MSNBC coverage? (I hope it's not a DoS attack)
"Dylan, when asked about
"Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how they IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???"
You've never directly addressed what I've posed above^.
that kos poll is unanimous
that kos poll is unanimous so far
With the drill coming up in
With the drill coming up in Hawaii, and the president is on vacation. Hmmm....
"Dylan, when asked about
"Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how they IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???"
Instant debunk of the 9/11 bullshit story right here in one question for you^!!!
ok, why are you demanding
ok, why are you demanding this answer from me? I wasn't on MSNBC. Bermas was.
and yet AGAIN, we bring up that fact is the movie, as well as Northwoods.
would you like my first born child, too?
So answer it for us now, if
So answer it for us now, if you don't mind?
Brother, you are either an
Brother, you are either an imposter Avery, or the real Avery is a limited-hangout artist!
the problem with this
the problem with this movement is that there is no unity.
You got 911truth.org not subscribing to the "no-77 at the pentagon" then you get Bermas on tv saying 77 doesn't fit, then you got Norman Mineta's testimony about the plane coming into the Pentagon. There is no unity here.
Maybe Mineta's an idiot and was mistaken about what plane they were talking about. Maybe it was Flight 93 and the order was a shoot down?
Is this a limited-hangout,
Is this a limited-hangout, time-release truth website? Is so just tell me, I'll stop wasting my time here.
THE question about where the
THE question about where the passengers are tears apart any relevant points the truthers make about 911.
None of the truthers answer it instead just shift to some other point.
Of course saying anything would be speculation but just by saying they are probably somewhere on bottom of the Atlantic ocean is better than not answering the question.
This is something in my opinion that every future speaker should prepare themself to answer.
Cheney & the "young man"
Cheney & the "young man" set-up a ruse on 70+ year-old Minetta. They weren't traking anything flying back at them from Kentucky!
Some of you guys are being
Some of you guys are being dicks! Let's remember who our fight is with. ok?
BTW, I'm going to see the WTC sneek peek this afternoon.
Any suggestions on some proactive peaceful protest would be welcome.
Thanks in advance!
"Maybe Mineta's an idiot and
"Maybe Mineta's an idiot and was mistaken about what plane they were talking about. Maybe it was Flight 93 and the order was a shoot down?"
Flight 93 never came within 10 miles of Washington D.C.
Any suggestions on some
Any suggestions on some proactive peaceful protest would be welcome.
Thanks in advance!
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Tape a 9-11 truth flier to the back of the seat/s in front of where you sit.
Furthermore, they would not
Furthermore, they would not leave it in the hands of some "young man" to relay a message to shoot down a passenger airliner. What if the "young man" accidently bollixed up the orders?
Chris, when they show WTC7
Chris, when they show WTC7 collapsing, exclaim "That does look like controlled demolition" just loud enough for everyone to hear you.
Good point Kirk, I think the
Good point Kirk, I think the answers is we don't know what happen to the passengers. But we do know there are only small amount of debris was found at the pentagon. And WTC7 was never hit by a plane and it came down.
"the problem with this
"the problem with this movement is that there is no unity."
This movement doesn't need unity yet. Everyone has lost the illusion of "our government is our friend" meme and that is what is important right now. Don't put the cart before the horse.
"BTW, I'm going to see the
"BTW, I'm going to see the WTC sneek peek this afternoon...."
I didn't know there were any more sneak peeks? Where?
I suggest dispersing deception dollars all about the darkened theater. (I write 9/11 was an inside job on my DDs, becuase they need to be more to the point, IMO.)
For what it's worth, a lot
For what it's worth, a lot of time, what appears to be negative press... must appear to be negative.
Remember any press is good press. I think a lot of these apparently right wing msm talking heads see the truth: they just can't come out and agree with it, and even smearing the Minn. prof about his lecture, well, I think I can see through the charade to the fact that the message is out there, it is getting attention.
I personnally use the tactic when bringing up the subject: "Hey, did you see thus & such news this weekend? Some whack-job was on questioning the official story..." I could never come right out and agree with ANYTHING where I work, nor can most people, but just the simple act of TALKING about it is enough to open most peoples eyes.
What people fail to realize
What people fail to realize about the Mineta testimony...
Snatched from cooperativeresearch.org...
(9:10 a.m.): Rice and Cheney Apparently Go to White House Bunker; Other Accounts Have Cheney Moving Locations Later
According to counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke and others, Vice President Cheney goes from his White House office to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), a bunker in the East Wing of the White House, at about this time. National Security Adviser Rice, after initiating a video conference with Richard Clarke in the West Wing, goes to the PEOC to be with Cheney. There is no video link between response centers in the East and West Wings, but a secure telephone line is used instead. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 3-4; ABC News, 9/14/2002; New York Times, 9/16/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001] One eyewitness account, David Bohrer, a White House photographer, says Cheney leaves for the PEOC just after 9:00 a.m. [ABC News, 9/14/2002] However, there is a second account claiming that Cheney doesn’t leave until sometime after 9:30 a.m. In this account, Secret Service agents burst into Cheney’s White House office. They carry him under his arms—nearly lifting him off the ground—and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward an underground bunker. [Washington Post, 1/27/2002; BBC, 9/1/2002; Newsweek, 12/31/2001; New York Times, 10/16/2001; MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] At about the same time, National Security Adviser Rice is told to go to the bunker as well. [ABC News, 9/11/2002] In addition to the eyewitness accounts of Clarke and Bohrer, ABC News claims that Cheney is in the bunker when he is told Flight 77 is 50 miles away from Washington at 9:27 a.m., suggesting that accounts of Cheney entering the bunker after 9:27 a.m. are likely incorrect.
Mineta says he arrived at the PEOC by 9:20, and the Vice President was already there which is ANOTHER confirmation that Cheney arrived at the PEOC probably by 9:10.
The 9/11 Commission's report says that Cheney didn't arrive at the PEOC until 9:58.
That's a 48 minute difference. A LOT can happen in 48 minutes.
I live in Pennsylvania. I can make the Maryland border in 48 minutes.
Now, would you like to discuss the order the young man was talking about? The order that he obviously wasn't sure of, or didn't agree with, that prompted him to run in and out of the room, telling the Vice President where Flight 77 was, finally asking him for confirmation of said order?
Furthermore, they would not
Furthermore, they would not leave it in the hands of some "young man" to relay a message to shoot down a passenger airliner. What if the "young man" accidently bollixed up the orders?
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 2:20 pm | #
This is pure assumption on your part.
In the military, are you not
In the military, are you not to follow orders and not question them? It seems to me the only reason the man had to ask if the order still stands isn't because he wants to make sure they should shoot the flight down (Order. Have the plane shot down, people on the plane die, people at the target site live.) but he want to know why the hell the order hasn't been given to shoot the plane down. (Order. Don't shoot the plane down, people on the plane die and the people a the target site die as well.) The reason he questioned the order is because MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHERE GOING TO DIE and he couldn't believe the vice president of the United States of America was going to allow this to happen. The vice president of the United States of America alowed the symbol of our defence, the pentagon, to be hit by a (plane? What kind of plane?) That man, whoever he is innocent, he was just taking orders from an evil man.
> that kos poll is unanimous
> that kos poll is unanimous so far
> DHS | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 2:08 pm |
DHS-
What kos poll are you referring to?
Furthermore, they would not
Furthermore, they would not leave it in the hands of some "young man" to relay a message to shoot down a passenger airliner. What if the "young man" accidently bollixed up the orders?
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 2:20 pm | #
Anon- what kind of retarded logic are you using? The military has an abundance of "young men" who are burdened with great responsibilities.
This is the same logic that also says: "Someone would have come forward by now if there really was a conspiracy" or "bush is too incompetent to pull it off".
It's just really poorly thought out.
What kos poll are you
What kos poll are you referring to?
This one:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/7/132217/8897
This is pure assumption on
This is pure assumption on your part.
Eckolaker | 08.07.06 - 2:32 pm | #
Oh, Cheney didn't need go give the order himself? Why wouldn't Chaney go into the next room himself & give the order in his own words & his own voice? A "young man" had authority to do this too?
WTF, is shooting down an
WTF, is shooting down an airliner an admistrative task given to some "young man"? You people are talking out your asses to me.
Instead of arguing over what
Instead of arguing over what the order was, why not focus on getting your Government, that is answerable to the people, to get that "young man" to testify?
YouTube! of Jason Bermas on
YouTube! of Jason Bermas on MSNBC
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070806_bermas_msnbc.html
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070806_bermas_msnbc.html
shit, I guess i'm a limited
shit, I guess i'm a limited hangout artist. you got me.
It makes sense that the
It makes sense that the order was a stand down of some kind... which prompted the young man to run in and out of the room, and to finally question the order as the plane was 10 miles out. However, we won't know unless that young man testifies, whoever he may be. How hard is it to get a roster of individuals working in the PEOC on 9/11? For a Commission with FULL subpoena power that isn't burdened with a "consensus" among the Commissioners to use that power?
hey, check this out. someone
hey, check this out. someone at the lc forum posted this call he made to benjamin chertoff at popular mechanics
http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls.html
http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls/benjamin_chertoff.mp3
Thank you for telling him
Thank you for telling him that he is very rude for saying "where is the plane? Area 51?" What a jerk, you put him in his place.
Nick | 08.07.06 - 1:54 pm | #
yeah, i was hoping Bermas would call him on that typical shit, and sure enough he did. with the quickness too. great job.
Several people here
Several people here mentioned that Fetzer was doing yesterday some TV interview is it legit??
dylan, dont let him bait
dylan, dont let him bait you, thats all hes doing. but i gotta ask again:
dylan,do any of these family members plan on being in Final Cut? that would be quite a "get".
Chris | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:07 pm | #
the 10 or so family members that you say contacted you with their doubts about 9/11.i understand if you cant tell us, but that would be the shit if you could get some of them in the Final Cut.
Cheney was in the bunker for
Cheney was in the bunker for "saftey" reasons. The secrete service must have known there was a real threat at the pentagon unlike Bush at the school in Florida. (that is why they let him read a book with kids while our citizens were jumping out of windows, falling to their death because that was better than being burnt to death.)
Ummm Mineta did testify this to the 911 commission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
And it was left out of the final report. I'm sure it wasn't just an honest mistake.
Please people, let me know what you think the exchange meant between Cheny and the young man, because it did happen. What does it mean?
btw. Bermas good job!
btw. Bermas good job!
That 911 eyewitness letter
That 911 eyewitness letter arguing for nuke fusion is pretty strong.
http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=61
I think we need to be very skeptical of S. Jones' role, given his background is nuclear fusion. He's going pretty slow with his nerdy thermate stuff. As others have pointed out, we don't need to wait for a chemical analysis; just watch the video! the towers fell in a way that's impossible by airplane impacts and fires!
ACADEMICS JOIN 9/11 TRUTH
ACADEMICS JOIN 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=18250
Bermas will kick some ass
Bermas will kick some ass and take names on MSNBC, I know he will. The man knows eveything.
I just hop he dosent forget to mention 9/11/06 Ground Zero NYC.
Operation Gladio was a
Operation Gladio was a NATO/CIA/MI6 black flag op that actually did get off the ground and in which innocent people were killed to put the blame on someone else. So throw Gladio at the media whores when they say it's unbelievable that our own government would kill it's own people. They did n't mind killing innocent civilians living in Europe, supposedly citizens of allied nations.
Hamster | 08.07.06 - 1:52 pm | #
You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security
The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies.
Hamster | 08.07.06 - 1:14 pm | #
This is big in regards of 9/11. Why don't we hear more of Operation Gladio in the mouvement?
dylan, dont let him bait
dylan, dont let him bait you, thats all hes doing. but i gotta ask again:
I'm not baiting Dylan, just answer this f*cking question, that's all:
"Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how they IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???"
It's very simple, either put-up or shut-up.
"dylan, dont let him bait
"dylan, dont let him bait you, thats all hes doing. but i gotta ask again:
dylan,do any of these family members plan on being in Final Cut? that would be quite a "get".
Chris | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 1:07 pm | #
the 10 or so family members that you say contacted you with their doubts about 9/11.i understand if you cant tell us, but that would be the shit if you could get some of them in the Final Cut.
Chris | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 2:45 pm | # "
whoops, forgot. that really all depends... a lot of them aren't ready to have their faces out in movie theaters, and I cant say I blame them.
the Burlingame relative is near NYC, so we might be able to talk to her. and bingham's friends are scattered all over the world.
we'll get as many as we can. promise! :D
"Bermas will kick some ass
"Bermas will kick some ass and take names on MSNBC, I know he will. The man knows eveything.
I just hop he dosent forget to mention 9/11/06 Ground Zero NYC."
How are you doing Luke?
hey, that was an impressive
hey, that was an impressive interview. I think he was brilliant with the time allotted.
Nothing like seeing the "media" approach a story with total impartiality and objectivity. WTF?
Pi$$ed me off to hear him say that Popular Mechanics refutes each and every point. What a crock and a lie. That sort of comment is tailored for morons that need a talking head to let them know everything will be okay. The evil young man that just made you uncomfortable was lying.
So disgusted with this crap.
Jason, I just watched your
Jason, I just watched your interview on MSNBC with Michael Schmerconish (sp?). You did a very good job! Schmerconish used the same ridiculous ties of the 9/11 Truth Movement to Area 51/aliens/grassy knoll type examples when he interviewed Michael Berger on Scarborough Country. That guy is nothing but a media whore. Keep up the great work!
The fact that they DIDN'T
The fact that they DIDN'T shoot down the plane at the Pentagon, didn't even try to, is all the proof one needs that Cheney's order was a stand down.
Pi$$ed me off to hear him
Pi$$ed me off to hear him say that Popular Mechanics refutes each and every point. What a crock and a lie. That sort of comment is tailored for morons that need a talking head to let them know everything will be okay. The evil young man that just made you uncomfortable was lying.
So disgusted with this crap.
R | 08.07.06 - 2:58 pm | #
thats exactly what i said above. its sad that Smerconish making that comment is enough to stop some people in their tracks in regards to looking closer at 9/11.
Guys, sometimes it wants me
Guys, sometimes it wants me to puke..
Did you know that even president Ford acknowledged in 97 that he falsified the Warren Commission exhibit, bullets on JFK's shirt in particular!? Well, he worded it more like a honest attempt to spice the evidence up.
Ford is now 93 and dying but we still can put in jail Arlene Specter, few Bushes and other cover up artists..
What struck me was that even Carter who I do amire joined opnely some shills who banned the last episodes from the history channel on the involvement of LBJ in the coverup which is obvious.
So, even if Carter is willing to coverup for some strange "higher good" purposes the truth don't make any big hopes about the current Democratic "stars" like warmongeric Hitlary. We won't get any meanigfull investigation into the 9/11 even if they take over the House now..
Go vote now... CNN Online
Go vote now...
CNN Online Poll on 9/11:
Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html
vote in this poll too, still
vote in this poll too, still losing this one:
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/911-conspiracy-theorists-claim-mome...
there is no way ANYONE who
there is no way ANYONE who wins the White House will fight for us.
They wouldn't win the White House otherwise.
So many polls recently on
So many polls recently on bushevik junta impeachment and 9/11 issues. The media whores are clearly trying to gauge the terrain..
Btw. have you noticed that Amy Googman did not run a single piece on the Norad tapes last week and today..
I love how that AOL poll is
I love how that AOL poll is written.
It's as if they wrote:
Who do you believe regarding 911?
- Evil terrorists
- The White House
I totally resent the use of "conspiracy theorists"
I personnally use the tactic
I personnally use the tactic when bringing up the subject: "Hey, did you see thus & such news this weekend? Some whack-job was on questioning the official story..." I could never come right out and agree with ANYTHING where I work, nor can most people, but just the simple act of TALKING about it is enough to open most peoples eyes.
nb | 08.07.06 - 2:28 pm | #
what fucking country do we live in??? this is bullshit that people cant come out and say what they think!!!!
stop letting fear run your life!!! what can happen if you say "i think 911 was an inside job"????
Ummm Mineta did testify this
Ummm Mineta did testify this to the 911 commission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h? v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
And it was left out of the final report. I'm sure it wasn't just an honest mistake.
Please people, let me know what you think the exchange meant between Cheny and the young man, because it did happen. What does it mean?
Nick | 08.07.06 - 2:46 pm | #
Read this article, Nick:
How They Get Away With It
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/HowTheyGetAwayWithIt.html
Oh, Cheney didn't need go
Oh, Cheney didn't need go give the order himself? Why wouldn't Chaney go into the next room himself & give the order in his own words & his own voice? A "young man" had authority to do this too?
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 2:36 pm | #
This "young man" for all we know could have been a military officer. Everyone would agree that at 30years old, thats still "young"? That being said, in the military, if you went to someplace like Annapolis or West Point. You're an officer at age 23.
So this "young man" could technically be a Captain or Major at this point.
Good job on MSNBC, Jason.
Good job on MSNBC, Jason. Just a piece of advice, FWIW: If they raise the PM book, confront it directly and forcefully ("The PM addresses only discredited theories, not the questions I have about 9/11... Such as the scheduling of war games simulations, the collapse of WTC7, etc...."). Do what the politicians do: Don't answer the question that is asked. Answer the question you wish had been asked.
Btw. have you noticed that
Btw. have you noticed that Amy Goodman did not run a single piece on the Norad tapes last week and today..
Tono Stano | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 3:11 pm | #
she, like the C&L's and KOS's, the MSM, most democrats and ALL republicans just want this to all go away. so many people/organizations/agencies etc. credibility rests with the official version of 9/11. if and when the shit hits that fan, your gonna have a lot of people in government and media that are gonna hae to explain their silence.and someone like Amy Goodman, who prides herself on "investigative reporting" and speaking truth to power(and to her credit, she has done a lot of good work), will lose the most credibility of all.Chomsky tried to cover his own ass by giving that lame ass excuse that "i havent really done much research into it, and its not important anyway".Goodman doesnt have that excuse as far as i know.
Agreed... who the hell wants
Agreed... who the hell wants to vote for the so-called "conspiracy theorists"?
Very biased poll takers.
its funny ,60% in the AOL
its funny ,60% in the AOL poll are NOT happy with the 9/11 Commission, yet a majority still believes the governments story.
About the interview. Where
About the interview. Where are the people of Flight 77: The gouvernment should tell us. At the end, instead of bringing Mineta's testimony, should have bring WTC7. But anyway, on live national TV... It was a GREAT interview. LC crew have all my respect. Thanks guys.
"Dylan, when asked about
"Dylan, when asked about "passengers" why don't you guys ask how they IDed 63 of 64 passengers w/DNA, yet the airliner was obliterated? Viable, organic DNA was found, but the plane was gone???"
THE ANSWER IS THAT WE'VE JUST REFUTED THE OFFICIAL STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PENTAGON ON 9/11!
"THEY" KNOW THAT AA77 DID NOT STRIKE THE PENTAGON. SO, TO BOLSTER "THEIR" LIE, THEY CLAMED TO HAVE IDed 63 OF 64 PASSENGERS AT THE PENTAGON! BUT NOW "THEY" ARE IN A BIND! SINCE THE PLANE EXPLODED & CRASHED THROUGH CONCRETE WALLS @ 530 MPH, ORGANIC DNA MATTER WOULD NOT SURVIVE! IT WAS OBLITERATED JUST LIKE THE "PLANE."
NO PASSENGERS WERE AT THE PENTAGON! THE STORY THAT PASSENGERS THERE WERE IDed IS A BOLDFACED LIE!!! THIS IS PROOF THAT "THEY" LIED!!!
stallion> very good essay
stallion> very good essay all 9/11 truthers going in the media should use it:
1. was ther Pentagon anti missile/aircraft system in place?
2. if yes who had the authority at the moment?
3. was it uncle Dick "Death" Cheney?
4. yes and he did nothing or actualy ordered a stand down
5. was uncle Dick on trial for treason?
6. no. why?
7. put him in jail..
is this this the rag on
is this this the rag on dylan thread???
make your own f-ing movie and put whatever you want in it!!!!! ok??
until then stfu!!!!!
I would like to see much
I would like to see much more 9/11 truth graffiti & other non-violent civil disobedience! I'll risk a tick/summons to get more truth out!
Anonymous | 08.07.06 - 11:09 am | #
This Wednesday will be a great opportunity. I know I'll be outside of the nearest AMC pamphletting. Anyone else?
Dylan, I work for
Dylan,
I work for a company (it rhymes with Niemens) that designed aspects of the fire contol systems that were installed in the WTC prior to 9/11. We have many competent and qualified engineers on our staff that have refuted our government's ascertations that jet fuel plummeted down the sealed elevator shafts causing the lobby to explode in an uncontrolled inferno. Unfortunately, our company has shown no desire to publicly address this issue because of our close ties (i.e. contracts) with the current administration. Privately we (those of us that work in the fire control systems division) have been told that although the data we have received regarding the supposed failure of our system is flawed and incomplete, no further inquiry or examination is to be made into the event. Since 9/11 our segment's business has increased by 40% even though our system was widely reported as having failed. Many of my coworkers that are higher up the food chain than I have privately expressed their discouragement with both our employer and our protector, the U.S. government. I have personally brought in copies of your movie to share with these coworkers of mine (since our company blocks access to your website) and they were stunned at the ramifications of your research. I just wanted you to know that you ARE reaching people, and while your movie may have been made to reach those in the younger demographic, you have opened many eyes and ears in the 30-50 years age range we mainly employ. Please keep up the good work. There are still many of us that are too scared to speak up, or have been threatened to keep quiet by those that support us financially. I eagerly await LC3 so that I can burn more copies and hand them out to friends and coworkers here in Dallas.
stop letting fear run your
stop letting fear run your life!!! what can happen if you say "i think 911 was an inside job"????
People get fired for saying lesser things... Thank you for your courage... but I have a family to feed.
NO PASSENGERS WERE AT THE
NO PASSENGERS WERE AT THE PENTAGON! THE STORY THAT PASSENGERS THERE WERE IDed IS A BOLDFACED LIE!!! THIS IS PROOF THAT "THEY" LIED!!!
Anonymous | | 08.07.06 - 3:21 pm | #
your banned. this isn't the forum to yell at everyone else because they don't say everything you want exactly how you want it. there are about 1000 other people who could yell about their own personal focus, and say that anyone who doesn't say those things is disinfo, or limited hangout - and its all bullshit. if you want something done do it yourself, or state your opinion, take the hateful confrontations elsewhere. we all have different opinions and focuses, and we should all have that right, yelling at others doesn't accomplish anything.
is this this the rag on
is this this the rag on dylan thread???
until then stfu!!!!!
inside | | 08.07.06 - 3:25 pm | #
indeed.
Umm, has anybody else seen
Umm, has anybody else seen this?
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_1074.shtml
Commentary
Twin Towers wreckage turning up all over the place
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor
Aug 7, 2006, 01:21
And you thought all the 9/11 WTC wreckage was swept up in eight months and sent to be smelted in foreign countries or secret places in our own strange land, right? And that the rest of the rubble was buried in Fresh Kills (appropriate name), Staten Island. So did I. But now it turns out last remains of the Towers are being stored in an 80,000-square-foot hangar at JFK International Airport in New York. AinÂ’t that a kick in the head?
nb, you honestly think that
nb, you honestly think that giving your opinion about 9/11 in work is going to get you fired? without prying too much, can i ask what kind of job you have?
Flight 93 never came within
Flight 93 never came within 10 miles of Washington D.C.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 2:18 pm | #
I know that. I'm saying maybe they weren't talking about 77, or maybe Mineta misinterpreted.
People get fired for saying
People get fired for saying lesser things... Thank you for your courage... but I have a family to feed.
nb | 08.07.06 - 3:42 pm | #
i didnt mean to be so harsh bud, sorry... it just shows what kind of country we live in....
i dont think you could really get fired but it could make things shitty for sure....
nb, I can do a much better
nb, I can do a much better job of spreading the truth by staying at my current place of employment. Just the fact that I've gotten coworkers to listen to me is a success. If you understood the pressure we are under NOT to discuss this, you might have a better understanding as to why we've made the choices we have. There are more people like me that are working from the inside out. You continue to do your job from the outside and I will do mine from within.
I've turned all my
I've turned all my co-workers in my department, except for 1 guy who is on the fence.
All of them have received DVDs and I use our laser printers for flyers every day.
which is scarrier, the truth
which is scarrier, the truth coming out or the truth not coming out????
im really not sure... dont get me wrong, i want the truth to come out but what if that has been the plan all along????
"it turns out last remains
"it turns out last remains of the Towers are being stored in an 80,000-square-foot hangar at JFK International Airport in New York."
Someone should get this info to Steve Jones!
I am a contract programmer
I am a contract programmer in a right-to-work state. I have been fired for lesser offenses: once because I got a call from another client at the office (Marriott Vacation Sales) ... and once because I said I didn't believe in
"the power of prayer" at lunch with my powers-that-were when working for the local transit authority when everyone else 'bowed their heads.'
That being said, I have read (which I can't find at this time) of people being fired for discussing this at the office.
As I said previously, I, like many others are in a position where we could not openly support a particular position, but simply opening the topic for discussion is enough to expose it to the light of day. Most of my coworkers (thank IPU) tend to be either progressive or libertarian oriented, and most tend to think something is fishy about what happened that day.
But, the vast majority of the principals in my business, the vast majority of my clients, and the vast majority of my neighborhood are white zombies/ditto heads, and the mere thought of 911's darker side scares the living shit out of them (although I talk about it more outside of work... it wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out where I stand).
Speaking of spreading the word, my neighbor's dad is a preacher at a local baptist church, and there are a bunch of other baptist clergy types in my neighborhood (pays really good :) ). I spoke with a guy who is a pastor yesterday and told him that this needs to become a Christian issue. That the people running our country aren't remotely christian, and that they need to preach this from the pulpit. ... To my surprise, this Jerry Falwell sound-alike agreed with most of what I said!
CJ, some of us already knew
CJ,
some of us already knew this.. that is where the photos of the formerly molten metal came from.. the big ole chunks.. you can find those images in his report..
unfortunately not just anyone can get in, and those who have taken pictures quickly pull them in fear of someone finding out they had taken them..
in fact, i had a set of 8 pictures from inside that hangar, the guy pulled em in 24 hours.. he said he would give me copies after he removed anything that might give clues as to who he was, but he never responded after that..
that hangar, and any hangar with 9/11 debris should be open to the public upon request, but apparently it is not.
also william rodriguez recently mentioned the hangar that has some airplane parts in it as well.. not sure if it is the same hangar or not..
HEY.... WHENEVER YALL GO ON
HEY....
WHENEVER YALL GO ON THE FAKE MSM SHOWS AGAINST THE DEMONS---IT WOULD FLOOR THEM IN TWO SECONDS IF YALL SAID "SO MANY OF THE VICTIMS,FAMILIES,FIREMEN, AND POLICEMEN ARE ON OUR SIDE"
like yall need any advice!!
______________________________----
i have like a real off-color password that i always use on sites
and somebody is going around using it as their name---i dont think they would come up with it on their own
just letting yall know
handcuffed---- you have the
handcuffed----
you have the potential to kick alot of ass!!
fuck anybody that tries to hold you back!!
Bermas did good, just got a
Bermas did good, just got a chance to see it.. Smircanish on the other hand just comes off as a prick, you can see his hate for bermas's opinion in how he ends the segment..
good stuff, too bad only madonna or britney spears can get the 30 minute interviews.
RANDKILLER999,
RANDKILLER999,
Thanks for you support. I will say that I am not the only one in my division that has broached the topic of 9/11. I work directly under the engineers of our fire control systems, and I have personally seen these fine American men and women brought to tears because of the frustration they feel with our company's policy. The seeds of 9/11 truth have been planted in many of their heads, and it's only a matter of time until we reap the harvest of those seeds. I only mentioned what I do and who I work for because I wanted my fellow American patriots to know that there are people working behind the scenes to get the truth out. There are several other companies and contractors that we work with that have also expressed their disgust at the implications of faulty design in the fire control systems. Seeing as there are roughly 370 new buildings scheduled to install our systems in the coming year, we have a difficult time believing the "incompetence" issue that has been used to blanket those in my line of business. Unfortunately for my company, the government stated that it was "computer error" in regards to our part of the failure, not human error which could have been corrected. Still, our business has not technically been hurt by these implications of malfeasance, nor have we ever been threatened with legal recourse when clearly we should have been at the least found negligent. Our business has only increased tenfold in the past five years. Quite the coincidence, no?
Damn! Time for the loose
Damn! Time for the loose change boys to scale up their server bandwidth... I've been waiting 10 minutes to get on their main page! This has happened more than a few times lately!
:)
Bermas should have mentioned
Bermas should have mentioned that Steven Jones is currently running an
ARSON INVESTIGATION
This is what people should be talking about. The ARSON INVESTIGATION.
Arson investigation? umm..
Arson investigation? umm.. it was a hellova lot more than 'arson'?
and i would prefer someone
and i would prefer someone other then S. Jones be running investigations
Arson investigation? umm..
Arson investigation? umm.. it was a hellova lot more than 'arson'?
Johnson
The arson invesetigation is the ONLY thing based on exact science. This is what should be talked about.
I hate Loose Change. And
I hate Loose Change. And those guys shouldn't be on tv. They hurt 9/11 truth.
Who has that Scarborough County guys email? I'd like to request that he interview Steven Jones.
Don't know if anyone
Don't know if anyone commented on this earlier in this thread, but I think Bermas should have talked more about WTC 7 as the smoking gun
Excellent work Jason
Excellent work Jason Bermas!
And dz, thanks for banning the Anonymous (are there several with that name?) who kept harrassing Dylan for no reason. I was trying to read thru the thread and his/her comments were completely disruptive.
Eric B, I thought the same
Eric B, I thought the same thing -- WTC7 for me (and many other 9/11 truthers) is THE smoking gun. That said, Bermas did an EXCELLENT job in the few seconds he was given... and his point about Mineta's testimony pointing directly at Cheney, well that's very damning stuff. The main point is that Bermas came off looking VERY smart and professional, so that anybody on the fence about 9/11 might just take a further look.
Intersting posts,Handcuffed.
Intersting posts,Handcuffed. Keep the updates coming:-)
Too important to keep quiet now.
Jones is running an ARSON
Jones is running an ARSON INVESTIGATION. Why the hell aren't we talking about this? Will it hurt the truth movement? Is it a risk to Jones' personal safely or the safety of the invesigation? Yes or no? Makes one wonder about that article in falseflagnews about possible "agents" in the movement. Sorry, but what other reasoning is there?
Why the hell aren't we talking more about the ARSON INVESTIGATION? Jones sounds very confident about it in the interviews and presentations he gives. So WHY aren't we talking about this?
dz, don't mean to put you on the spot, but do you have an opinion on this?
LC, the Final Cut will
LC, the Final Cut will probably be the final straw to break the camel's back in our movement I believe. It has so much momentum already, and the guys have stated in the past that the new version will be IRREFUTABLE!!
Just think when this irrefutable version comes out and all the Googlers are searching for Loose Change in general (not looking for any specific version) and are brought to this latest and greatest version!!! It will quickly gain mass appeal and show up almost immediately in universitys, libraries, firehouses, etc and the repercussions will be enormous.
Looking forward to it guys!! Don't let the naysayers get you down...
If you don't enter any name
If you don't enter any name when you post a message here, it will automatically use the name "Anonymous".
another important point is
another important point is that NIST refuses to debate despite the new surveys that's been coming out.
The "news telecasters" concentrate on the easily debunkable material because they can handle it better, and they can refute it easier. And they want to keep their ratings up.
When they ask "what happened to the people", a good response is:
"That's a good question to ask the government".
chris, I know for a fact
chris,
I know for a fact that I'd get whacked if I ever got caught talking about this stuff at work.
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
The establishment media, the American criminals behind 9/11, and the evil Bush/Cheney Administration DO NOT want people to see who is really behind the curtain of W's throne.
Jason Bermas did a beautiful job standing up to this impish, arrogant MSNBC interviewer who feigns concern for Americans and any of the victims.
I hope we can soon see a book that debunks this POPULAR MECHANICS trash that is being touted as giving definitive answers.
Well done, Jason!
C, the Final Cut will
C, the Final Cut will probably be the final straw to break the camel's back in our movement I believe. It has so much momentum already, and the guys have stated in the past that the new version will be IRREFUTABLE!!
I hope you're right, sbg
don't get me wrong, Jason
don't get me wrong, Jason did do a good job. But he could have done better.
sbg, you have any opinion on publicizing Jones' arson investigation?
Brilliant documnatry; Peace,
Brilliant documnatry;
Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
That dude from Loose Change did a good job, the d!ck presenter he was up against also tried to do a move on Michael Berger for what I remember. And this popular mechanics book? The editor for the original article was head of “Homeland Security” Benjamin Chertoff’s cousin or something right? Besides all the weak strawman arguments in it that don’t resolve a damn thing, only polarize the debate further. That fact, with the editor being a direct relation of that Nazi scumf*cker Chertoff, should be shouted in the face of any idiot trying to hold that new “book” up as a credible reference.
maybe I'm missing something,
maybe I'm missing something, but an 'arson investigation' sounds almost silly to me. The friggin towers exploded! We have to figure out if somebody lit the little fires in building 7? Let's get some samples over to the lab real soon!...
There's plenty of solid science regarding various physical evidence. There's powdered concrete, molten steel, pyroplastic flow and simply the sight of towers exploding. No lab work needed.
Jason Bermas did a beautiful
Jason Bermas did a beautiful job standing up to this impish, arrogant MSNBC interviewer who feigns concern for Americans and any of the victims.
Yes, that's how we see it, but the average American 9/11 newbie most likely insulted, imo.
Not Jason's fault. But he needs to learn some techniques to change the course of the conversation.
maybe I'm missing something,
maybe I'm missing something, but an 'arson investigation' sounds almost silly to me. The friggin towers exploded! We have to figure out if somebody lit the little fires in building 7? Let's get some samples over to the lab real soon!...
There's plenty of solid science regarding various physical evidence. There's powdered concrete, molten steel, pyroplastic flow and simply the sight of towers exploding. No lab work needed.
Johnson
That's the problem. No one will debate the other information. Current lab work is needed. It is exact science. When it's conclusively proven, then all that other stuff (concrete, etc) won't matter and won't be necessary to discuss in the least.
Johnson, you might not be
Johnson,
you might not be aware, but Jones is doing an arson invesigation right now. This is why it should be discussed :)
Randy Rhodes show replugging
Randy Rhodes show replugging 911 stuff right now on aar:
http://airamericaradio.com/listen
I think this is a rerun from Friday's show, either way, she is heavy hitting.
If someone asks you: "Where
If someone asks you:
"Where are the passengers from Flight 77 then?"
Answer that in any of the following ways:
1) "How would I know where they really are?"
2) "Your guess would be as good as mine."
3) "Well if their plane didn't hit the Pentagon, then obviously they were taken somewhere else."
4) "That is a good question, I would like to know where they are too."
5) Why don't you do your job
5) Why don't you do your job as a journalist and do some digging to find out, given all the anomalous evidence?
is everyone here even aware
is everyone here even aware that Jones himself calls it an arson investigation?
Here's a quote from the June LA conference (not part of the panel; not broadcast on C-SPAN):
"...In a scientific study it requires several people looking at this, different labs. I would boil it down right at the moment to an investigation of arson with the use of thermite and explosives and all the evidence so far as Alex has pointed out is coming together and suggesting that this was indeed an inside job..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMKFN5yZbQ
CB, I did see that you
CB, I did see that you mentioned Jones' arson investigation. Discuss away, no harm in it, but let's not wait for Jones to prove things that are already apparent.
I've also seen people accuse Jones of being a disinfo agent. Fintan Dunne probably suspects his own mother of such, but the argument here is compelling:
http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26&start=270#2435
I'll give Jones the benefit of the doubt for now, with lots of skepticism on the side...
NB - Sorry, 5) is how I
NB - Sorry, 5) is how I would have countered smerconish when he asked that
FYI, many outlets are
FYI, many outlets are carrying yesterday's AP story:
http://news.google.com/news?q=Kevin+Barrett+believes+the+U.S+government+...
I wonder is sbg or dz has
I wonder is sbg or dz has any opinion on this
I hate Loose Change. And
I hate Loose Change. And those guys shouldn't be on tv. They hurt 9/11 truth.
Who has that Scarborough County guys email? I'd like to request that he interview Steven Jones.
- Ø®£Z - | 08.07.06 - 4:48 pm | #
oh jesus. first, your full of shit. hurt the movement? what single documentary has caused more people to look closer at 9/11 than any other? it may not be perfect, but your a fucking liar,or just plain in denial if your answer is anything but Loose Change 2. that said, heres your link:
E-Mail Michael Smerconish
http://www.mastalk.com/mastalk/email.jspx
does anyone here have the
does anyone here have the article about the purging of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics just months prior to the 9/11 hit piece? i can easily find the Chertoff/cousin story and other rebuttals to the P.M. article, but im having trouble finding the article about the purging of the senior staff. thanks.
CB, I did see that you
CB, I did see that you mentioned Jones' arson investigation. Discuss away, no harm in it, but let's not wait for Jones to prove things that are already apparent.
I've also seen people accuse Jones of being a disinfo agent. Fintan Dunne probably suspects his own mother of such, but the argument here is compelling:
http://www.breakfornews.com/foru...&start=270#2435
I'll give Jones the benefit of the doubt for now, with lots of skepticism on the side...
Johnson
if there's any truth in that link then it's time to start preparing for WWIII
Handcuffed, Iknow what
Handcuffed,
Iknow what company you're referring to .They also handle controls on the airconditioning systems which also link up to the fire system.They saying that your system failed,but yet they still continue to use it without making any corrections, to make sure that it won't fail in the future.Just like with steel erected buildings.Three"collapsed" in one day due to "fire",yet since that day ,they haven't changed the way steel buildings are erected to prevent any future "collapses".Know what I mean?
George Washington -- Your
George Washington --
Your post about Google blacking out 9/11 news seems to be incorrect -- your link references Google WEB search, rather than Google NEWS. Here is what I got when I dropped the title into Google NEWS:
9/ 11 conspiracy theorists thriving
Houston Chronicle, United States - Aug 6, 2006
By JUSTIN POPE AP Education Writer. — Kevin Barrett believes the US government might have destroyed the World Trade Center. Steven ...
9/11 conspiracy theorists thriving San Jose Mercury News
9/ 11 Conspiracy Theorists Thriving Chippewa Herald
all 145 related »
****145 related******
Not that I put it past them at some later date to start censoring stuff. . .
twist
http://www.rense.com/general6
http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm
>> If someone asks
>> If someone asks you:
"Where are the passengers from Flight 77 then?"
Answer that in any of the following ways:
_______________
How about this:
"We don't know exactly what happened at the Pentagon and we certainly don't claim to have any conclusions about that event. We do, however, feel great concern about why anything was ever able to hit that building, and at over 1 hour after the hit on NYC."
_______________
Good thing my personal info isn't on here to be spread all over, like Killtown did to this woman here:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06218/711239-85.stm
to Smerconish:Anything to
to Smerconish:Anything to get that job on Fox huh buddy? The further to the right, the more apologetic and weak you are as a journalist, the further you get ahead in that business. Your no fool, your just a massive tool trying to make as much money as possible. We get it.
thanks Eric.
thanks Eric.
No problemo, Chris. This is
No problemo, Chris. This is a team effort. Ok, a bit lighthearted but-I wonder what bands should play at the victory concert?
regarding my last few
regarding my last few comments...
this is how the Movement stands. Either:
1. The entire movement is being controlled, and possibly powered, (including 911Blogger and the high-bandwidth 911Podcasts) by the "rougue network", and all this is just a diversion to distract from something else (the 'fake' peak oil crisis??)
OR
2. The "evil doers" do not have the power to control everything, because of the number of companies, orgaizations, etc, invloved.
Ministry for sure. they were
Ministry for sure. they were a part of the effort. and of course Immortal Technique.
Whose version of 9/11 comes
Whose version of 9/11 comes closer to what you believe happened?
U.S. government's 53%
Conspiracy theorists' 47%
Total Votes: 7,037
Are you satisfied with the 9/11 commission's investigation?
No 63%
Yes 37%
Total Votes: 6,764
note the differences. manipulation?
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/911-conspiracy-theorists-claim-mome...
Do you believe alternative
Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?
Yes 62% 4897 votes
No 38% 2940 votes
Total: 7837 votes
http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html
I wonder which one it is. We
I wonder which one it is.
We would benefit much if the scientists who verified Jones' work would say something already.
Sorry for the paranoia.
OK, I just watched Jason
OK, I just watched Jason Bermas on MSNBC. My thoughts:
Lately it seems like every time the MSM gets someone on TV to talk about 9/11 "conspiracy theories" the first thing they bring up is the Pentagon. IMO this is not an accident, it's by design.
When being questioned about the Pentagon, Jason Bermas said there was "no wreckage"...???
Please, anyone reading this who has an opportunity to appear on mainstream news shows, please DO NOT say there wasn't wreckage found at the Pentagon, because there most certainly was!
And try to stay away from the subject of the Pentagon if possible. IMO you all that should be said is "I don't know what hit it, because five years later the government still hasn't released clear footage of what hit it yet" and then immediately try diverting attention away from the Pentagon to the subject of Building 7 and all the witnesses that heard bombs going off at the world trade center before the towers fell.
"BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM and then the building started to fall."
Try to read at least one of the quotes from the FDNY like the one above.
My 2 cents,
S4
Definitely Ministry and all
Definitely Ministry and all the hiphoppers who have written 9/11 Truth songs.
S4, I agree
S4, I agree
CB - When in doubt the
CB - When in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 2!
let's remember too, Jason
let's remember too, Jason was live on national tv and a bit nervous
One last thing before I log
One last thing before I log off- It would be sweet irony if Paul McCartney shows up playing his post- 9/11 song "Freedom"...Ok enough fantasy for today...
CB, i think it can be
CB, i think it can be somewhere between your two extremes. 'either you're with us or you're against us' is childish! but of course there are going to be attempts from inside the conspiracy to control how the opposition works out.
Jones is not beyond suspicion of being among the perps. That doesn't mean his science is wrong, but we need to involve more scientists from from other relevant fields!
let's remember too, Jason
let's remember too, Jason was live on national tv and a bit nervous
CB | Homepage | 08.07.06 - 6:10 pm | #
Hi CB. Yes I agree with you there. That's why I didn't say what I could have in my post above.
oh yeah.... this is all a
oh yeah....
this is all a setup obviously
but we control the game---
adopt a shill--then ditch the bitch
in the meantime 10000 more people got the 911truth that day
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they never talk about wtc7
dont worry---these pentagon setup questions serve us very well
instilling doubt
we will be back to being america soon
these shills are idiots
Informed Believer,
Informed Believer,
Yes, you're correct. We also designed the phones and the linking systems that a majority of the tenants of the WTC used. It is public knowledge that our company designs many products in the electrical/telecommunications industry. Because of that, our fingerprints are everywhere, which is part of the problem our company faces in responding to the accusations that were made regarding our purported "failure." I can report that my company has received ZERO inquiries from potential clients into the safety of our systems AFTER the 9/11 events. They are still some of the safest, most modern fire control systems in the world. We are currently installing them in a new highrise hotel here in Dallas, as well as countless smaller and lower profile buildings. Rational thought would dictate that clients would be concerned with the million dollar systems we develop to protect their investments, but it's inferred between the lines that we were not at fault. We have issued no releases regarding the safety of our systems, nor have we had any cancellations of planned projects due to our hand in the supposed failure of said systems in WTC Towers 1 & 2. We still use the exact same design in all of our systems since we have received no report of failure save for the WTC. And like I said earlier, our data shows that our system did its job that day. Our fire detection and prevention system continued to do its job that day UNTIL our computer controlled system was destroyed in the basements of both towers. The explanation given to us for why they went offline never meshed with our data, but our servers were still working up until that moment and transmitted data regarding the timing of vent closures, sprinkler systems engaging, and other aspects of protection that our systems were meant to observe and control.
Alex Jones is the one I'd
Alex Jones is the one I'd really like to see on FOX... From what I remember, his appearances on CNN's Showbiz Tonight were great... I truly hope they'll let him on the air on FOX.
Very interesting
Very interesting information, Handcuffed. Hopefully outsiders can investigate this avenue of investigation and you can remain gainfully employed!
ugh I voted wrong in one of
ugh I voted wrong in one of those polls.... heh, now I know where the margins of error come from.
Galloway wipes the floor
Galloway wipes the floor with Sky News anchor
The Truth Will Set You Free | August 8 2006
Sky News anchor: Joining me now is a man whoÂ’s not known for sitting on the fence. He passionately opposed the invasion of Iraq and now he feels that Hizbullah is justified in attacking Israel. The Respect MP for Bethnel Green is in our London studio. A very good evening, uh good morning to you Mr. Galloway. How do you JUSTIFY your support for Hizbullah and its leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah?
She might as well have punched him in the face and handed him a gun.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/080806galloway.htm
To say that he wiped the
To say that he wiped the floor with her actually minimizes the damage he inflicted on this womanÂ’s ego. By the end of this interview, she was either suicidal or homicidal.
Serves her right for selling her soul for a paltry price.
Whenever someone asks where
Whenever someone asks where the people on flight 77 went, you should just ask "do you know how many people are missing in this country?"
"do you know how many are reported missing every week?"
"and what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"
Not that I am saying a plane didn't hit the pentagon, but those stupid questions need to stop. Maybe we'd know the answers by now if so many talking heads and shills weren't so hellbent on sounding like damn idiots.
We're going to have to shell
We're going to have to shell out some money to buy that book from popular mechanics so we can go over it and debunk all their bullshit.
What A BONE HEAD!...I wish
What A BONE HEAD!...I wish he would had mentioned that the NIST,9/11 commission,and popular mechanic's refuse to debate Team Liberty.
CAN YOU SAY DUH!
It blows my mind that all these people who doubt us have'nt even looked at what we have,and it pisses me off that those who interview us have'nt either.
If everyone that visits this
If everyone that visits this site were to email FOX to Alex Jones on, we could. He kicks ass against neo con bullies.
to HAVE Alex Jones on... my
to HAVE Alex Jones on... my bad
ive said it before, and i'll
ive said it before, and i'll say it again, Alex Jones 5 or so minutes he got on CNN HeadLine News/Showbiz Tonight was the most informative, hard hitting 5 minutes in broadcast history. too bad it wasnt on the REAL CNN.
Stick to building 7. Stick
Stick to building 7. Stick to building 7. Stick to building 7.
He forget to even mention it.
When people are presented with the building 7 collapse they either start believing, want to know more, or admit they can't explain it.
once that Popular Mechanics
once that Popular Mechanics book comes out, a response to it should be created, which debunks some of their issues, as well as brings to light the factual issues that were not addressed in it.
good idea DHS, but you know,
good idea DHS, but you know, and i know, that said book would get nowhere near the free press that this pathetic book is getting.the rightwing tools in the MSM are tripping over themselves to give this book free plugs and airtime.
Galloway kicked ass
Galloway kicked ass mightily, huh!
he sure did, once again.
he sure did, once again.
Galloway (laughing): What a preposterous way to introduce an item and what a preposterous first question.
...than have died in Israel. So, itÂ’s YOU who should be JUSTIFYING the evident bias which is written on EVERY line of your face and is in EVERY nuance of your voice and is loaded in EVERY question that you ask.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/galloway-wipes-floor-w...
why cant we hear that
why cant we hear that message in the U.S.? can you imagine if someone said that on Fox or CNN........
I think Jason did really
I think Jason did really well. He would have gotten to Bldg. 7, etc., if he hadn't been cut off.
yeah, i thought he did great
yeah, i thought he did great considering the asshole he had to contend with and the scant amount of time(as usual)he was given. i cant wait until a 9/11 truth activist gets more than 2 minutes of airtime in the MSM. this 2 minute drive-by stuff is designed to make us look bad.
Okay, I sent this following
Okay, I sent this following message to Smerconish at least 10 times in a row. [ http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3162/smerconishmf7.jpg ] [ http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1651/smerconishjy5.jpg ] I urge everyone to do the same. Whether you paste my message, part of my message or write your own message -- keep it solely about having professor Steven E. Jones as a guest on Scarborough Country. And send the message at least 10 times in a row so we flood his email. Email page [ http://www.mastalk.com/mastalk/email.jspx ]
My message.
Dear, whomever
Good afternoon.
It has come to my attention that as of late, Mr. Smerconish has been attacking various 9/11 related information and news on MSNBC's Scarborough Country.
My message is a strong request -- rather, a strong challenge -- to have Brigham Young University Physics professor, Steven E. Jones, as a guest on Scarborough Country, to discuss and present his scientific findings of controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and building 7 on September 11, 2001 [ http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html ].
You can contact professor Steven E. Jones via his phone number and/or email address located at his BYU staff page [ http://www.physics.byu.edu/directory.aspx?personid=36 ].
If Mr. Smerconish is so interested in covering 9/11 related information and news, then how about he show some actual courage (since he hasn't thus far) by having professor Steven E. Jones as a guest on MSNBC's Scarborough Country? And furthermore, by keeping quiet and letting professor Steven E. Jones actually present his findings, without having to fall "victim" to any of Mr. Smerconish's condescending atttude, remarks or unecessary interuptions.
If alternative theories for the 9/11 attacks -- steadily approaching verifiable, proven fact -- inparticularly, the hypothesis that the World Trade Center towers and building 7 were actually destroyed by controlled demolition, are deemed by Mr. Smerconish as crazy, then there should be no objection to him having profesor Steven E. Jones as a guest, and letting the "crazy" professor simply have his say. Also having professor Steven E. Jones as a guest for a decent length segment, where professor Steven E. Jones can present his findings uninterupted for at least 5+ minutes. And having absolutely NO mention of the Pentagon by Mr. Smerconish in any way, shape and/or form whatsoever.
Prove your bravery and courage, Mr. Smerconish. Take the challenge. I dare you.
In addition, I challenge Mr. Smerconish to show this video [ http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg ] of the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, on MSNBC's Scarborough Country, when he has professor Steven E. Jones as a guest. And to show it a few times in a row -- start to finish -- so that the viewers really get to see it. Because when Mr. Smerconish recently had Michael Berger as a guest, the video clip shown once of building 7's collapse was quite possibly the worst video of the collapse of building 7 -- of any video available -- in every respect.
Mr. Smerconish, I hereby challenge you. And I dare you.
This question is directly to Mr. Smerconish. Are you courageous, or are you a coward?
I challenge you. I dare you. I dare you. I dare you.
Until you take the challenge, I consider you to be nothing but a coward. I would really love to see you in a courageous light.
So take the challenge!
Sincerely, Jesse
"Galloway (laughing): What a
"Galloway (laughing): What a preposterous way to introduce an item and what a preposterous first question.
...than have died in Israel. So, itÂ’s YOU who should be JUSTIFYING the evident bias which is written on EVERY line of your face and is in EVERY nuance of your voice and is loaded in EVERY question that you ask."
Too bad it wasn't Soledad O'Brien of CNN that was doing the interview. Or better yet, Kyra Phillips.... Ugh.
Galloway is a gatekeeper on
Galloway is a gatekeeper on 911, but next to Chomsky he's quite possibly the most fearsome debater alive. You almost feel sorry for the poor schlep foolish enough to wander into the lion's den.
A most excellent
A most excellent interview!
My only recommendation would be that when given that moment of free time, to mention WTC7. The fact that THREE buildings fell down on 9/11 will make people question more then the testimony given by Norma Mineta.
Stay cool, keep it up.
Tuesday, August 08,
Tuesday, August 08, 2006
Hope for all 9/11 truth seekers. The guilty are beginning to crack.
Good article, if you have a few moments, follow the link and read the whole thing.
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11909
By Bill Douglas:
Today's AOL poll many voted in now shows 50 percent believe the govt. is involved (AOL was a few months ago filled with Bush lovers). Today's CNN Poll showed 70 percent believe 9/11 was an inside job.
...
Keep contacting the media, demanding answers. Keep showing up at public meetings, Congressional town meetings, etc. demanding answers. Keep emailing st911.org and Loose Change to everyone you can. Leaflet at the coming opening of "World Trade Centers" movie.
...
"There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
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Galloway has directly
Galloway has directly confronted the beast unlike that hack Chomsky. they are both wrong for ignoring 9/11, but Galloway is a politician, Chomsky has much more leeway to discuss 9/11 honestly, and he fails to do so. fuck Chomsky.