I just came back from a screening, and it left me nonplussed for the most part, but I didn't see any actual deception going on.

Heck, even if one person per theatre googles WTC 7 because of the Stone movie, it'll be a positive thing.

(or if they start visiting the Oliver Stone/World Trade Center IMDb message boards)...

Loose change has many errors, why dont we suggest a better movie ?

Thank you for the link to this article. I am excited about reading it.

Yes, the dams are breaking and the American criminals and others involved in the murders on 9/11 are worried. These last-minute attacks (such as FOX's Bill O'Reilly program last night) indicate that the guilty-elite are making phone calls to get cr*p on the air and more lies out to discredit those seeking the truth.

These attempts at discrediting thinking Americans will not work. Furthermore, these hit pieces (like O'Reilly) are ridiculous at face-value. They expect people to listen to their hostile sound bytes and slanderous pronouncements. Exploring what really happened on the "day that changed the world" CANNOT and WILL NOT be done via these tabloid-like, talk shows.

It's important that when guests do appear on these shows, they stick to the main points and continue to put these trash interviewers on the defensive. (For example, WTC 7 and the lying U.S. Government's insistence that fire caused the building to crumble.)

It's also important to remember that the criminals-elite will be doing everything they can to DIVIDE AND CONQUER the 9/11 truth seekers. If we keep this in our consciousness that they will be attempting to do this, we will be aware and resist their attempts. We have truth on our side and the value of people of all walks of life and socio-economic classes on our side.

I am going to read the article now. I'm very happy that these angst-ridden, guilty criminals know their time is up.

Christopher Briggs | 08.08.06 - 1:41 pm

I compared the photo to Rick Siegel's 911 Eyewitness which captures nearly the same angle - the northwest corner of the North Tower.

It doesn't look to me like there's damage in the video. There was definitely damage to the lobby, but no one has said anything about damage to the exterior lower third of the tower.

In the photo it looked like the reflection and/or image of the building in front of the WTC.

the www.tyrannyalert.com site gives all this stuff a pop magazine style, that's great for people who are easily discouraged by less colorful sites like 911research.com

Was the attack on the U.S.S. COLE a false-flag operation?

Last evening, I attended a sneak peek of Oliver Stone's World Trade Center.

I was not impressed. Perhaps my wife put it best, "Stone punk'ed out!" She is nowhere near as passionate about 9/11 Truth as I am.

Let me address some of the initial information we've received from previous reviews, for example, the supposed "explosions" that are heard prior to the towers imploding. Let me clear the record. These are NOT explosions. These are definitely the sounds of bodies falling and hitting various parts of the building and the concrete.

Yes, they do show a televised version of WTC7 collapsing, but it's very brief and from what I could tell, it illicited almost NO reaction from the filled to capacity crowd. You do hear the newscasters voice in the background explaining that this is "the 3rd building to collapse today" and that's good, but other than that, the moment comes and goes to quickly. Yes, for a brief moment I wanted to shout out, "it's a controlled demolition", but it would have been totally inappropriate. Plus, it's obvious from the video that it was a controlled demolition, but I'm not sure people "got it" or where all that surprised by it.

My biggest concern was that this movie really didn't seem to be all that much about the World Trade Centers. There was remarkably little footage of the towers leading up to the collapse. In fact, quite a bit of time passes when you're not even sure whether or not the second tower has been hit yet (they don't show either plane actually striking the towers). In fact, the first collapse occurs kind of out of nowhere. Very little dramatic buildup to this catastrophic event.

I don't want to give away too much, for those who plan on seeing this, but I will say, lower your expectations.

Perhaps a more appropriate title of the movie would have been, "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" or maybe, "Trapped", no I've got it... "Search and Rescue".

"World Trade Center" was not the best title, because this really was'nt about the attack on the WTC. It was about the two mean who got trapped under the rubble of the WTC. The fact that it happened on 9/11 and inside of the Towers is almost incidental.

Yes my friends, I'm sad to report... "Oliver Stone punk'ed out!"

Thumbs down!

Chris Rose | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 9:11 am

Any press is still good press, I guess.

Even if it's not what we'd like to see - because we hopefully know a lot more about 9-11 than the average dude - it's at least exposing people to what happened.

A lot of people forgot or don't know that a third building collapsed. This movie will at least plant that seed in their memory.

Monsieur,

Yes, the seed is planted and that's a good thing.

There were actually a couple of good things I guess. For example, the scene where they show Bush speaking to the nation, there was an audible "groan" from the crowd. The majority DO NOT like this man.

But for every "good" scene, there seemed to be one that totally counteracted it. Like the woman in the hospital looking for her son, she makes a remark, "when I saw those towers come down, like pancakes". And there's another scene were a marine says, "this will be avenged"... the credits at the end say he went on to serve "two tours of duty in Iraq". IRAQ!!!

At the end, there was a polite smattering of applause, but it was forced. The lights stayed low for awhile and there the screen was dark, so it was almost like people felt obligated to do something. There wasn't any sniffing or crying that I could discern. It was kind of like... is that it?

Question:

I think I am going to send DVD copies of 9/11 REVISITED to "leaders" in city communities. Has anyone else been doing this, say, sending DVD copies to church and civic leaders?

I have observed
Rumsfeld and Rice's behaviour lately on TV. They are terrified. They can
barely breathe. There is a defeatism and terror in their eyes and frantic
speech patterns, that were not long ago so arrogant and proud.

I noticed that too.

Yes, the guilty are beginning to crack, but there are still those standing around with their fingers stuck in the dam... and other places.

Even the most conservative 9/11 poll shows one in every three people you
meet on the street in America know the Administration is complicit in the
9/11 attacks. Most polls show between 50 percent and 70 percent do.

So what does it take then? WTF does it take to get these criminals rounded up and thrown in shackles?

I have this horrible suspicion that Americans still won't do a darn thing if polls show 100% of them believe inside involvment.

MediaPuppet, you may be correct. It seems that sometimes not until something DIRECTLY impacts one's personal or family life will some Americans start demanding these criminals be dragged out into the town square and punished.

What will it take? Perhaps paying $5.00 a gallon for gas? Perhaps suffering from radiation from nukes that could be used against Iran? (I've heard the jet stream would carry such things to our side of the globe.) Perhaps losing their jobs, their source of income, due to an economy that tanks? What will it take? Any ideas?

If you guys want a different movie to push, start pushing "9/11: Press For Truth".

If my word/opinion matters for anything, I believe this movie will wake anyone who watches it, up.

truthsearching2006 | 08.08.06 - 10:08 am

Any nuclear detonation basically projects radiation into the atmosphere and the jetstream.

It would only take about two weeks to travel around the entire northern hemisphere, given a small atomic blast.

The first-strike nuclear policy should be of grave concern to everyone, first and foremost the military.

I don't know Truth. You'd think that all people need to know is that the "war on terra" is bogus. The fact that America's children have been sent off to die based on a lie should be enough. But is it? Will it be enough to get the people marching.

somebigguy, your reference to "Mom, this is Mark Bingham" seems to indicate that it is a smoking gun for you.
Have you seen this page?
http://www.markbingham.org/legend.html
You'll see that his mother has a different last name (Alice Hoglan) and that Mark Bingham had 3 names throughout his life... Jerry Bingham, Kerry Bingham and finally Mark Bingham.
Doesn't seem so far fetched that under stress of a hijacked plane, this guy might say "Mom, this is Mark Bingham"...

Also, if people can understand that they have the power within them to stop WW3, maybe that would be enough incentive to get them to take action.

OT: Only in America. lol.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/08/military.theme.park.ap/index.html

Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 10:18 am | #

Is the creator going to have beef with internet version / downloading / copying / distributing?

Hmm, that's strange - Late last night I wrote up a bulletin on myspace about the O'reilly interview. This would have been about the 6th or 7th bulletin related to 9/11 that I've posted.

Mysteriously, my bulletin never showed up after I submitted it.

Coincidence?

"Loose change has many errors, why dont we suggest a better movie ?"

In my opinion, Alex Jones' "Terrorstorm" is much more compelling. It also puts everything in a broader historical context. That should definitely be promoted instead of the current incarnation of Loose Change.

"the supposed 'explosions' that are heard prior to the towers imploding [...] These are definitely the sounds of bodies falling and hitting various parts of the building and the concrete"

That would never have come to my mind when watching the excerpt linked at PrisonPlanet. They definitely sounded like powerful explosions from above.

I find this discrepency (some describing explosions, others falling bodies)in the reviews quite strange.

How many seconds did it show of the collapse of WTC 7?

"Is the creator going to have beef with internet version / downloading / copying / distributing?"

I'm sure considering they're charging $14.95 for the movie, and they spent a lot of money making it.

It's a professional movie, with editors, a director, professional narration, etc... it wasn't just a movie made on a laptop, etc...

I watched Rumsfeld speaking on social security and taxes live on cspan1 last week and I, too, noticed that he doesn't look his usual self. Pale skin, stiff, worried, no hand gestures, etc.

Made me smile.

Any bets that Lieberman wins by a nose against Lamont today?

Even though Lamont had close to a double digit lead a few days ago?

Lamont is going to get "Diebolded"
V | 08.08.06 - 12:13 pm | #
as much as i hate Lieberman and want him to lose, the rase im watching is Cynthia McKinney versus typical milktoast nobody Dem. she will lose, im afraid. she was down kind of far in the polls. this is horrible news.

I understand your sceptism; however, if you look at http://911chronology.com/index.php?page=video download the video, and look yourself, you will definitely see that what the photograph is showing here is no reflection, and that there is something very wrong with the wall of WTC 1 as early as 850.

Personally, I am hoping someone will be able to explain it by saying the crash above shook the wall so much that the covering fell off. But I doubt it.

I don't think anyone has seen this. Please look for yourselves.

race*

jon gold, isn't "Press for Truth" take a LIHOP angle at best?

if it's well done i would think it would be a good starting point, but it does seem like LC2 breaks through many people's resistance like other films haven't. i've got high hopes for the boys' Final Cut.

McKinney campaign claims name left off ballots

Brian Beutler
Published: Tuesday August 8, 2006

The campaign of Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), facing a difficult run-off in Georgia against challenger Hank Johnson today, issued statements on her website to indicate that voting irregularities have adversely affected her election chances.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/McKinney_campaign_claims_name_left_off...

if the rightwing mainstream media(not to mention the weak ass "liberal" press that didnt have her back.ever.)didnt sink McKinney, diebold sure as hell will.this is a travesty.

An indictment of Mr. Conspiracy
Some Internet sites say Oliver Stone's 'WTC' fails to address what really happened on 9/11.

Tina Daunt / LA Times | August 8 2006
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/August2006/080806indictment.htm

(full article)

Where is this CNN 9/11 poll? I haven't seen a link to it anywhere. Their website is a total joke as far as organizational and navigational quality goes, and -- surprise, surprise -- their search function shows no results when you type in any phrase containing "9/11." Even typing "9/11" all by itself produces no results, not even advertisements. As an experiment, I typed in "911" and got lots of hits, but none of them have anything to do with 9/11.

right here MJW:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html

Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?

Yes 72% 9814 votes

No 28% 3909 votes
Total: 13723 votes

damn right.

http://www.cafepress.com/sibel

"Mom, this is Mark Bingham"...
-- --

No matter what the child was named, nor how often, any woman who raised the child will recognize the voice instantaneously.

The nay sayers are now using that poll as an attack piece, by the way. Here's an entry from one skeptic blog (http://www.911yj.blogspot.com/) who is a supporter of the debunking crowd and such.

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This is why polls on 9/11, not conducted by a proper polling agency on the GENERAL public, are Freaking useless.

This is a purposeful attempt to skew polling results by a group with a common goal, who then watched the results of their votes systematically as they brought the poll from 59/41 to 73/27 in their favor...

Seems like something guerillas or terrorists would do.
_______________

Man, the stuff they'll come up with to get focus away from the topic at hand. Sheesh

Thank you very much, Chris.

"This is why polls on 9/11, not conducted by a proper polling agency on the GENERAL public, are Freaking useless."

Um, the zogby poll was conducted by a highly reputable polling agency on the GENERAL public, if i'm not mistaken?

Weird that it hasn't garnered the same response in the press as the Scripps poll...

LIHOP ? what does this stand for in addition to some of the other abbreviations you guys have been using? This will help me put into context some of the blogs.
thanks so much.

That dick Dennis Miller to join FOX NEWS. A "comedian." That is so fitting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060808/ap_en_tv/people_dennis_miller

If as some many previous post say, it's true that the criminals know their time is up then the media will slowly move away from backing them AND their political party will slowly move away from backing them as well. The gates will then be open for prosecuting these criminals for treason and mass murder.

R-

Dennis Miller must really like money. Fucking douche...

Thanks for the link to that story about the military theme park, Jon. I guess that's the next step in the "militarization of everyday life." Military-industrial complex in place of real economy? Check. Militarized domestic police? Check. Abundance of military simulation video games? Check. Appearance of armed forces at every major sporting event? Check. Military intelligence spying on domestic targets? Check. And now: Militarization of recreational theme park? Check.

180killer911

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP = Make It Happen On Purpose

180killer:

LIHOP means "Let it Happen On Purpose", meaning this administration knew of the attacks and did nothing to prevent them, thus "letting them happen".

MIHOP means "Make it Happen on Purpose" - this implies the administration deliberately made a concerted effort to ensure the attacks would go through. It implies that not only did they LIHOP, but they took steps to MIHOP.

8/8/2006

Newt Gingrich: Anti War Americans Are an Insurgency :.

Will you allow yourself to be taken alive?

You need to know the answer to that question:

This morning on Fox News, Newt Gingrich claimed there is a "legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on," made up of people who say Iraq "is so hard, it is so frightening, it's so painful, can't we come home and hide?" Gingrich said that if the "insurgency" wins, "it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history."

We already know that this 'period' involves concentration camps.

Will the ovens be supersized?

"jon gold, isn't "Press for Truth" take a LIHOP angle at best?

if it's well done i would think it would be a good starting point, but it does seem like LC2 breaks through many people's resistance like other films haven't. i've got high hopes for the boys' Final Cut."

Nope. And it's extremely well done. I have always said, the Loose Change crew deserve a tremendous pat on the back for the work that they've done, and the amount of people they've gotten interested, etc...

However, I believe 9/11: Press For Truth takes it to a whole new level.

And the reasoning is... it's coming from the family members.

It will affect those who care about the families. Which, I would think, is just about everybody minus Ann Coulter's fascist crew.

after 911 truth we should all work on exposing religious truth ;-)

911 PFT is LIHOP at best.

LC2 wipes the floor with most other 911 flicks.

As if there were in any doubt we were lied into war in Iraq......Conned-i Rice and Colin Powell in their own words before the 9/11 manouevre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wbpKCdkkQ

Blob, Newt Gingrich is an evil man. He needs to find a cave and go off and stay with Osama bin Laden and stop speaking as if his word is gospel. These same troublemakers always come out of the woodworks.

180killer:

LIHOP means "Let it Happen On Purpose", meaning this administration knew of the attacks and did nothing to prevent them, thus "letting them happen".

MIHOP means "Make it Happen on Purpose" - this implies the administration deliberately made a concerted effort to ensure the attacks would go through. It implies that not only did they LIHOP, but they took steps to MIHOP.

thanks for the help. greatly appreciated.

911 PFT is LIHOP at best.

LC2 wipes the floor with most other 911 flicks.
Blob | 08.08.06 - 3:26 pm | #
pretty much.

turthsearching2006, in the 1990's PNAC nutcases put forth their manifesto. In 2002 it became de facto US foreign policy. Don´t discount the carzies, they are in cohorts with the lunatics in charge.

Gingrich is scum.

Dennis Miller is pure scum.

Bus is crazy as a loon. So are his handlers. Gingrich is crazy, sure. But that is no reason to ignore his fascist rhetoric. This is my point.

Check it I found that "Protocols of Zion" movie that's meant to smear 911 sceptics as "anti Semitic";

Protocals of Zion
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7169205203825782546&q=protocol...

I was surprised though, some of it is factually incorrect, but overall it's quite good.

I'm sorry to be funny here...but....I swear everytime I look at Cheney he looks to me like a man in psychic and physical pain....He's always got that grimace and those clenched, controlled teeth bearing down.

simuvac: I think you have to acknowledge that the arab hatred for Jews goes back a little farther than the European colonial period. I think that at its core, arab and Christian antisemitism spring from competing religious stories that trace back to the same roots. It's really about three brothers arguing over who Dad likes the best. Come to think of it, that's a running theme througout the bible.

Ever hear of the "Dome Of the Rock?"

The short story is... the area that building is located on is referred to by the Jews as the "Temple Mount". It's referred to by the Muslims as the "Noble Sanctuary".

The Jews have had two temples built there, but both have been destroyed. Supposedly, they are "meant" to build a third to restore their "sacrificial rites". The problem is, the Muslims already have a shrine there.

The Christians believe that the Jews MUST build that third temple in order to begin the process for the return of Jesus.

Yes, gothamite, I didn't mean to reduce the problem of religious hatred. And I'm not naive enough to believe that such antagonisms will go away once the oil runs out and the Western military bases pack up and go home. But Western colonialism and its by-products (illegal wars of aggression, Western-sponsored dictators such as Saddam Hussein, the heroin trade, etc.) have probably killed more Arabs and Muslims, and done more material harm to Arab countries, than religious differences in the twentieth century.

I guess my point is that there may be a fear in the Jewish community that 9/11 Truth will make things much worse for Jews. I don't believe that is true, but I can see how that idea might be out there. I believe the opposite: the war on terror is a racist myth also bent on exploiting religious differences for the benefit of the NWO. I hope most Jews believe this, and support Kevin Barrett's organization, for example, rather than supporting the 9/11 Myth and the hostilities it is engendering.

Sorry, it was not my intention to create a tangential discussion here. I simply saw the mention of the Protocols of Zion documentary, and wanted to comment. I recommend Truthers see it.

Had anyone else on here got a visit from these Israeli "art students"? Prior to 9/11 my office used to get these guys coming by our office about every 2 weeks or so. We always knew it was some kind of scam but did not know what to think about it. When I read about the art students being spies it kind of freaked me out.

Man, I really butchered the english language with that post.

Zionism is anti-semitism

I saw "Protocols of Zion" expecting to get really pissed off and ... I wasn't. The filmmaker does inexcusably conflate images of truthers (with 9/11 truth signs) with narration that describes "conspiracy theories that blame Jews." However, the rest of the movie is thoughtful and well-done.

I think the filmmaker should be contacted and asked to draw much clearer distinctions between the very small fringe of 9/11 investigators who are anti-Semites, and the vast majority who are not racist or anti-Jewish. And of course, he should be alerted to the fact that many truthers are themselves Jewish.

I was going to do so right after I watched the movie but I couldn't find an email address for the guy, and then I forgot all about it.

"Catherine Austin Fitts said, 'if we can't face it, we can't fix it.'"

I haven't heard much about her. She isn't very visible. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Hey Truthers, I heard Jay Leno mentioned 9/11 to John McCain last night, any truth to this?

Jay Leno is a massive tool, so if he did, im sure it was to give McCain an outlet to bash us and our movement.

yeah basically leno and mccain said they didn't understand how anyone could believe this stuff...

then mccain twisted the statement into something totally offtopic, like the hectic dangerous world we live in and entered talking point mode.

Jon Gold | - 5:14 pm

"Dome of the Rock" & 911 mentioned here:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/vatican-ny.html

"Catherine Austin Fitts said, 'if we can't face it, we can't fix it.'"

I haven't heard much about her. She isn't very visible. Perhaps I'm wrong.

-- --

You can find her at http://www.solari.com/ and also at http://dunwalke.com (the latter ought to be mandatory reading).

LIHOP Vs. MIHOP:

Either way, it's an outrage.

Either way, it's a prosecutable and impeachable offense requiring both political and legal action. The latter is more clearly treason.

It doesn't matter what you call the truth so long as the truth comes out, and so long as the NeoCon agenda is permanently disgraced.

LIHOP isnt the whole truth though, thats the problem. LIHOP will get the public faces(puppets) of 9/11, but not those that pull the strings.

Reminder:

Re: Loose Change 70meg version

I made a very small FULL SCREEN watchable LOOSE CHANGE 2E version (with engl subtitles!)

http://www.mininova.org/tor/386959

There are MANY people who have NOT seen it yet.. for lack of bandwidth...

Its small enough to put on your server.

REAL MEDIA 10 is a great format..
it even http streams !!

Chris, I'm nor arguing with you.

LIHOP gets 'em in front of a judge.

MIHOP gets 'em in front of a firing squad.

Subpoenas and evidence will take care of the difference. So...

First, let's get 'em into a legal process (instead of a media-driven court of public opinion).