DP,
something I found works with real hard core Bush supporters / Fox watchers? Ask him if he knows that Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush helped fund the Nazis. Show him the facts. This throws a lot of people who think the Bush family is just a good republican power family.

i agree truthsearching, she was public enemy #1, going back to her comments right after 9/11. she has had a large target on her back ever since.

Jon:

I fear she is doomed.

Thanks DHS, I don't think I've seen that one yet... Definately going to check it out...

DP,
something I found works with real hard core Bush supporters / Fox watchers? Ask him if he knows that Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush helped fund the Nazis. Show him the facts. This throws a lot of people who think the Bush family is just a good republican power family.
Micahyah | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 9:23 pm | #

Thanks - I'll definately bring that up with him.

@DHS - is OUTFOXED available in full length anywhere online? I watched the trailer and it looks perfect for my cause, but if I could find the whole film online, that would be great...

DP, I don't know, but you can download all the interviews and use them for non-profit use from the Internet Archive;

http://www.archive.org/details/outfoxed_interviews

DP:

you can use bittorent or you can go to http://www.question911.com/links.php and get it in lesser quality and in 3 parts.

I downloaded a high quality divx and it looked fine from http://www.isohunt.com

I guess I should read past the first paragraph before posting..lol. My bad.

"ugh... missles and no-planes...

this is what plagues us"

Shhhhhhhhhhh...

my comment still stands about most republicans not having any sense of humor. Larry the cable guy? Jeff Foxworthy? is that the best they can do? come on........

Roeper says:The plane hit the ground and skidded before striking the Pentagon between the first and second floors. It reached the third ring of the Pentagon as the jet fuel caused a massive explosion, destroying many of the larger pieces of wreckage. (Still, many sizable chunks of the plane were visible outside the Pentagon.)

ok, so the plane hit the ground and skidded. uh huh. the lawn was just completely wrecked right? it also reached the third ring of the Pentagon he says? wow, in one portion of the article, he states how there are no pieces of the plane left because its in A THOUSAND PIECES, in the next paragraph, its tough enough to go through 100,000 ton walls. sound credible? man, by that logic, maybe jet fuel really did bring down the towers. HA.

Chris | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 6:55 pm | #

Comedy Central is riddled with racist/stereotypical humor

Dave Chappelle, Carlos Mencia, Blue Collar, most of their standup comics, etc.

ben stein is kind of funny...?

I think you have a point, most comedians aren't Republicans...

But that doesn't stop republicans from deluding themselves (GOP Colbert fans) so they can somehow extract humor from something.

"ugh... missles and no-planes...

this is what plagues us"

Actually, we should have a push for everything else under the sun. Start pushing different points when given the opportunity.

richard roeper = shill

Chris | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 6:55 pm | #

Comedy Central is riddled with racist/stereotypical humor

Dave Chappelle, Carlos Mencia, Blue Collar, most of their standup comics, etc.
DHS | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 6:59 pm | #
Mencia is a Chappelle ripoff. at least Chappelles racial humor is funny. Mencia is pure garbage,all of his racial jokes are the same-"black people do so and so like this, but white people do so and so like this!" every friggin joke is the same.at least Chappelle mixed it up.(a blind,black KKK member? how can you not think thats funny?and the Prince sketch? genius.) and of course the "blue collar" comedy team is a bunch of rightwing hacks.completely unfunny.

cunnalingus rice!(chappelle fans will get the reference)

Point One
The Jersey Girls declared the 9/11 Commission "Derelict In Its Duties".

Point Two
General Myers lied to Cynthia McKinney when questioned about whether or not the Wargames caused problems with air response on 9/11, as pointed out by Vanity Fair.

Point Three
Sibel Edmonds, the most gagged person in American History, testified for 3 hours before the 9/11 Commission, and received a footnote in the back of the book. She has been quoted as saying, "once this issue gets to be...investigated [9/11], you will be seeing certain [American] people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally", and "There is direct evidence involving no more than ten American names that I recognized."

Point Four
FBI agent Robert Wright of the Chicago field office, who had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. This despite Wright's contention that his case was growing stronger. His investigation included individuals from the notorious Ptech, a software company which provided product for the White House, Congress, FBI, CIA, IRS, Army, Navy, and FAA and which was raided by federal agents in December 2002.

Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather "was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred." (UPI, May 30, 2002, cited in Griffin, p. 83); (nod to Bryan Sacks)

Point Five
July 21, 2001: US Official Threatens Possible Military Action Against Taliban by October if Pipeline Is Not Pursued Niaz Naik. [Source: Calcutta Telegraph]

Thanks to www.cooperativeresearch.org

Three former American officials, Tom Simons (former US Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Deputy Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs), and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia) meet with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in a Berlin hotel. [Salon, 9/16/2002] This is the third of a series of back-channel conferences called “brainstorming on Afghanistan.” Taliban representatives sat in on previous meetings, but boycotted this one due to worsening tensions. However, the Pakistani ISI relays information from the meeting to the Taliban. [Guardian, 10/22/2001] At the meeting, Coldren passes on a message from Bush officials. He later says, “I think there was some discussion of the fact that the United States was so disgusted with the Taliban that they might be considering some military action.” [Guardian, 10/26/2001] Accounts vary, but former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Niaz Naik later says he is told by senior American officials at the meeting that military action to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan is planned to “take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.” The goal is to kill or capture both bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar, topple the Taliban regime, and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place. Uzbekistan and Russia would also participate. Naik also says, “It was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.” [BBC, 10/18/2001] One specific threat made at this meeting is that the Taliban can choose between “carpets of bombs” —an invasion—or “carpets of gold” —the pipeline. [Brisard and Dasquie, 2002] Naik contends that Tom Simons made the “carpets” statement. Simons claims, “It’s possible that a mischievous American participant, after several drinks, may have thought it smart to evoke gold carpets and carpet bombs. Even Americans can’t resist the temptation to be mischievous.” Naik and the other American participants deny that the pipeline was an issue at the meeting. [Salon, 9/16/2002]

Point Six
Bush asked his principals not 10 days after his inauguration to "find a way" to invade Iraq.

Point Seven
On the morning of 9/11, Senator Bob Graham, Representative Porter Goss, and Senator John Kyl have breakfast in Washington D.C. with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of the Pakistani ISI. The same man who ordered the wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohammad Atta.

Point Eight
Bush DID NOT want to investigate 9/11.

Point Nine
Bush put a member of his administration in charge of the 9/11 Commission. A CLEAR conflict of interest.

Point Ten
Bush refused to testify in public, under oath, with Dick Cheney at his side, and with no recordings allowed.

wow, who would have thought that WingTV would be the lesser of two evils in regards to Nico? i cant believe im agreeing with WingTV.......

New Book

Groundbreaking New Book Investigates 9/11 Conspiracy Theories ...
Business Wire (press release) - San Francisco,CA,USA
... to melt steel and cause structural damage to the buildings -- The
holes in the Pentagon were too small to have been made by a Boeing 757 --
Flight 93 was ...

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news...

unvoluntary comedy

9-11 Myths Persist
Investor's Business Daily (subscription) - USA
... Fact: Dozens of eyewitnesses saw the Boeing 757 crash into the
Pentagon. ... Conspiracy nuts would have us believe American Airlines
Flight 77 and its 58 ...

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&statu...

Noam Chomsky and Oliver Stone

United we stand -- and fall
Newark Star Ledger - NJ, USA
... "World Trade Center" was directed by Oliver Stone, and to some people
that may sound a little like Noam Chomsky writing the victims' eulogies.

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1...

Noam Chomsky is hated, not only by you kids

Brian Wimborne: Left in perversity
The Australian - Sydney,Australia
... To understand why the Left has done a U-turn on this issue, one needs
to appreciate that activists such as Noam Chomsky, John Pilger and Antony
Loewenstein ...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,20062213%2...

Some more factual reporting

Chomsky challenges America's Double Standards
OpEdNews - USA
... In his latest book, Failed States, Noam Chomsky the linguist has a
million-and-one examples of America's saying one thing and doing another.
Take Iraq. ...
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__060808_chomsky_challeng...

Chomsky is worse than a holocaust denier. Chomsky-"doh, i dont have time to research 9/11, its not important that i do anyway".

re: Single plane theory...

I always play my favourite game:

How many sentences does it take before I understand who wrote this.

This time I got it right after the words SINGLE PLANE THEORY... the onion..

I am amazed.

This game is a CHOMSKY inspired game... with a little DERRIDA and a lot of reading.

you are clearly the biggest Chomsky groupie i have ever come across online, and there are many. what makes you interesting is that you, unlike most of his cult like followers dont agree with his assanine views on 9/11.

People like Noam Chomsky and Ward Churchill are turning toward the irrational as they continue to deny increasing signs that 9/11 was an inside job.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STR505A.html

:lol: Chris, when I read Nico's post...the first thing that came to mind before I saw your response was to ask "Chris, if you have to believe one side...Nico or WingTV, who's it gonna be?"

haha, yeah, that was a tough one, as Nico has actually done some good work on 9/11 in the past, before cartoon plane delusions took over his mind(or his wallet?), and WingTV has added just about nothing except smears on fellow 9/11 activists. but at this point, i would have to say Nico and his cartoon bullshit is more damaging than WingTVs childish attacks. people basically see them for what they are now.

Where Noam will not roam:
Chomsky manufactures consent by supporting the official stories of 9/11 and JFK

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
- Noam Chomsky
spoken like a true coward.

http://www.oilempire.us/chomsky.html

"I agree that Professor Chomsky is not a CIA agent. But with respect to his pronouncements on the JFK assassination he is worse than a CIA agent. Without being an agent, with his enormous prestige as a thinker, as an independent radical, as a courageous man, he does the work of the agency. ... He is unconvinced by the evidence of a conspiracy, but his is utterly convinced that JFK was a consummate cold warrior who could not have changed and did nothing to irritate the military industrial intelligence complex."
- Vincent Salandria

(just insert 9/11,or any other future government sponsored tragedys that Noam will ignore for JFK and it will work too)

"That's an internet theory and it's hopelessly implausible. Hopelessly implausible. So hopelessly implausible I don't see any point in talking about it."
- Noam Chomsky, at a FAIR event at New York's Town Hall, 22 January 2002, in response to a question from the audience about US government foreknowledge of 9/11. At that time, 9/11 investigators had already presented substantial documented evidence for: prior warnings, Air Force stand-down, anomalous insider trading connected to CIA, cover-up of the domestic anthrax attacks, inconsistencies in identities & timelines of "hijackers", US connections to al Qaeda in Balkans, a Pak ISI-al Qaeda funding connection, etc etc etc.

do i really have to go on u2r2h? and by the way, where are you from?

Birth Pangs Of A New Christian Zionism

>>wow, who would have thought that WingTV would be the lesser of two evils in regards to Nico? i cant believe im agreeing with WingTV.......

This is exactly what they want you to think - its a game that the disinfo crowd plays from time to time to grab both sides of the fence. This way Chris thinks WING TV is 'a-okay afterall,' since they don't agree with the utter lunacy. Then, Chris is more likely to still embrace WING after they create scenes at places like GZ and important conferences, etc., or try to smear sincere researchers with personal attacks.

On the other hand, if you believe in no-planes, you feel how your friend Nico is being put out by these bad WING TV people.

Etc., etc.

Don't fall for the fake divide.

Haupt and Guiliani-Thorn are like 2 peas in a pod.

Evangelical Groups Think Jesus Is Coming Back, Cheers Israel's Actions

hey dickhead, dont make assumptions about me ok? i never ONCE said WingTV, "isnt so bad now". way to take things out of context asshole.

i would have to say Nico and his cartoon bullshit is more damaging than WingTVs childish attacks. people basically see them for what they are now.
Chris | Homepage | 08.08.06 - 7:35 pm | #
notice i said MORE DAMAGING, meaning i think WingTV is damaging. please dont use my name to fit your agenda.

Don't fall for the fake divide.

Haupt and Guiliani-Thorn are like 2 peas in a pod.
fyi | 08.08.06 - 7:40 pm | #

You are 100% correct...

Nico's post is more disinfo, as one of the 10 scholars that signed the petition I am not the bit "insulted".

I eargerly await a peer-reviewed paper from the NPT'ers, I am sure it will be... umm.. enlightening...

There are evangelicals railing against Hagee and the Christian Zionists and the religious message that the country of Israel can do no wrong, you must support them:

www.watchmanreport.com

You know, Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout f'n kicks ass.

Oh, and have I plugged FalseFlagNews.com today? I think it's a brilliant idea.

http://falseflagnews.com

Chris,
Prove the alleged damage, ignorant!

There are tons of US Mainstream Media reports about 9/11 TV Fakery, arent't they?
ZERO so far and they won't bring any.
They don't shovel their own grave, moron!

Your butterhead is softer than the South Tower wall which was allegedly hit by a real plane.

PS: Rick Siegel just signed as 11th 9/11 Scholar to support the petition.
You accuse all of them as dilusional?

And don't ever insult team8plus.org on this forum again. They have nothing to do with any 9/11 video research and worked hard on all radar, BTS- and passenger research, misconstructed by Fetzer last week on C|Span.

I have my public event on 9/11 TV Fakery next Sunday at ny911/St.Marks,
Webster Tarpley promised to come, then followed by Morgan Reynolds own speech in DC.

We invited Prof. Jones to both of these events. So far he refused to show up.

We will see how the audience will react on all this and let the second attack footage speak for itself.

The only secterian attitude is at the top of 9/11 activist speakers, which did ZERO 9/11 research by themselves and turned the movement into a "thermite"-hangout movement, destroying the traditional evidence on CD and blocking ongoing investigations on non-conventional weaponry for the pulverizations.

Good luck!

The fascist globalist warmongers are already laughing about you, preparing the final endgame between US, Russia and China next year plus the ultimate limited hangout on 9/11, maybe coming up soon in the next 5 weeks.

PS: Also for the record, Chris, Andy and Co. of San Diego 9/11 Truth blocked ideas of a protest against SAIC, one of the clearest suspects of 9/11 and main profiteers. This is not activism, this is orwellianism.

Over and out

i agree, i have no clue who Andy is and i dont know why he would do that. i agree it was wrong. i dont advocate banning you(except when you hijack threads), but that doesnt mean you dont do damage. i'll prove how much damge you've done jsut as soon as you prove no planes hit the towers. you ignorant!(WTF is that Nico? how long have you been here? get your insults straight you fucking moron.i know english is tough, but come on....)

butterhead? only Nico could come up with such a lame insult. kind of unintentionally funny though, but still lame.

Professor Noam Chomsky, one of the country's most famous dissidents, says that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas. Anyone who still supports the Warren Commission hoax after forty years of countering proofs is either ill-informed, dumb, gullible, afraid to speak truths to power or a disinformation agent.

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where Chomsky has worked for decades, has a very good physics department (MIT is the largest university contractor to the military). Perhaps he could visit them and learn why it is physically impossible for Oswald to have been anything more than the "patsy" that he (accurately) claimed to be.

The truth is that Chomsky is very good in his analysis within certain parameters of limited debate -- but in understanding the "deep politics" of the actual, secret government, his analysis falls short.

http://www.oilempire.us/chomsky.html
(im still waiting to hear where your from u2r2h.why do you always run off so quick when i confront you with some facts about your hero Chomsky?)

richard roeper slammed all truthers today

http://www.suntimes.com/output/r...nws- roep08.html
huh | 08.08.06 - 6:41 pm | #

***

I used to work in the Chicago Sun Times building. I rode in the elevator with Richard Roeper once.

I didn't speak to him. I don't know... you ever get the feeling your riding in the elevator next to a dick, but you have nothing to verify your intuition?

Thanks to his latest article, I have the verification I was looking for.

Course when you think about it... I guess I really needed look no further than his first name.

From now on, he's Dick Roeper to me.

Email:rroeper@suntimes.com

Let's let Dick know what we think about his article. Whaddya say guys?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep08.html

Added a 4th article to the OP

"Intersecting Facts and Theories on 9/11" by Joseph P. Firmage

Dick Roeper...

sounds like a gay cowboy or something!