Hi guys, lurked for awhile but never posted. I've gotten myself into an argument on 9/11 at celebs forum and would appreciate help with this dudes questions, mainly i just dont know any exact links to back up what i know:

"The recognition of 19 Arab men using boxcutters to slash the throats of stewardesses and flight crews to gain contol of an airplane and then kamikaze them into the affected buildings is far easier to believe than your suggestion that President Bush (whom many of you regard as the stupidest human being who has ever lurked the planet)would or could, in the 9 months he was in office prior to 9-11-01, orchestrate and carry out a murderous conspiracy so grand as to make any and all that had come before, pale by comparison.
Just how many co-conspirators would you need to bring such a thing to fruition?
Thousands. All dedicated to the plot even unto their won deaths and sworn to absolute silcence from start to finish.

""...19 Arab men......heavily defended nation in the world and crash a plane into the most well defended building on the PLANET? Any plane that is not sending out a 'friendly' beacon is AUTOMATICALLY shot down in Pentagon airspace.""

As to the "automatic shootdown machine" at the Pentagon.
What does it look like?
How many times has it shot down a plane or anything else? Planes drift into restricted airspace all the time and don't seem to get shot down. I recall and small plane crashing onto the lawn of the White House not so many years ago. Did not look like the automatic shootdown gun had any effect on it.

If I did not see what I think I saw on 9-11, then what did I see?
Did I not see film shot by a French crew of an aircraft crashing into the North Face of Tower 1?
American Airlines, the FAA and FBI are all in agreement that that was American Airlines Flight 11. Was it not? If not what was it? If it was not, then all of the persons involved with the investigation from those agencies AL, FAA, and FBI must be either co-conspirators or dupes. Which?
I am told that Mohammed Atta was in contol of the aircraft at that time. Was he not? If he wasn't who was? And where is Mr Atta today? Is he aware of what is being said about him? What of the others identified as hi-jackers? What has become of them these days?
As to the passengers who called relatives and others from aboard the four aircraft involved and described their situation...where they lying and therefore co-conspirators? Or are those who were called the dirty dealers?

I saw yet another aircraft slam into the south face of Tower 2, or did I? With some slight adjustments, I ask you the same questions regarding that incident.

And where are the planes themselves if I cannot believe my eyes, but must believe you instead?
An airplane is not a candy bar. It is a very significant product, purchased, manufactured and delivered according to a fairly precise process. It is ordered and paid for by a customer on a contract with the manufacturer. The manufacture assigns each airframe a serial number. The FAA assigns it a control number. It is assigned to a numbered flight by the airline using it. Tickets are booked and passengers identified during the ticketing process. The plane is identified by type, number, and photographs within the files of the company that insures it.
According to all responsible parties involved, FOUR airframes were destroyed within three hours of each other that day. All had been reported as hijacked at some point during this same time.
Insurance claims were paid on the lost aircraft, as well as on the lives of the passengers and aircrews.
Maybe I can believe that the FAA lied, maybe I can believe that the FBI lied, maybe I can believe that the Airlines lied, maybe I can believe that the victims lied, maybe I can believe that the families lied, maybe I can believe that the eyewitnesses to each of the FOUR crashes lied, maybe I can believe that the Bush lied, maybe I can believe that the Osama Bin Ladin lied when he took credit for the attacks and praised the "19 brothers", maybe I can believe that the everyone lied.
But there is no way in hell that you will ever get me to believe that the insurance companies that carried all those policies, paid them out if there was even the slightest chance that they could get out of it. Bastards won't even buy me a fender!

I can understand if you have you political hatreds and ideology to protect but when you talk stupid shit like this, you isolate your self. First of all it shames the honor of those people who really did die when all you can come up with is "Bush did it". It is easy and convenient to assume all evil to those we disageee with already and all purity to ourselves.
I understand the urge to be a nonconformist, I understand the desire to think you are looking deeper, finding the hidden truth, but there is a point at which bullshit has to stop and logic has to take over. Too easy to disregard the facts, discard common sense, ignore the simple but painful truth and merely decide that everyone else is all fucked up.

Physician, Heal Thyself. "

sorry kinda long, the guy goes off. thank you very much,
peace

WHO OWNS THE MEDIA

for the fellow who wants to know who owns the media.
Here is a link.
Click on it and then search for this string:
WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?

http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_2_.htm

Please after you have read it give us your take.

cheers
humVee

Has anybody heard about a strategy written up by Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser called "[URL=http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm]A Clean Break[/URL]"?

Does any know if there's a good documentary out there that talks about the controlled mainstream media - one that talks about who controls it and how they accomplish it?

Thanks...

Malloy was right. This man is pure evil. Look at the face....Looks like something out of "Tales from the Crypt." http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=11&content=4353

OutFoxed focuses mainly on Fox News, but they do a good job of pointing out how the entire MSM is owned by very few companies, and it is a good documentary overall, even though its main focus is Fox.

@Gonzo - Thanks. I've actually seen WKJO, but I was wondering if there was one out there that specifically foused on the MSM...

"The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket."

Yet this is required by law (the involvement of the FBI notwithstanding), as per the enabling legislation noted and quoted (at least in the past) on the NTSB web site.

jross,

show them this:

http://www.knowordie.co.uk/WTC7.avi

Here's my analysis of WTC 7:

http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

I don't think it is a good idea to talk about Pentagon's automatic defense system. I have not found a confirmation that it exists. It may, but it's not that important a point anyway.

Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission (completely ignored by the commission) is also a strong case.