Former CIA Analyst Comes Out For New 9/11 Investigations
Bill Christison, a CIA analyst for 28 and a half years, has emerged after 5 years of downplaying 9/11 skepticism, as a proponent for new 9/11 investigations. He joins Mel Goodman, David MacMichaels and Ray McGovern as a critic of the 9/11 Commission, but goes further, endorsing some 9/11 theories, and giving them priorities;
Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11
by Bill Christison
www.dissidentvoice.org
August 14, 2006... But on July 29 and 30, and then again on August 1, something else happened that increasing numbers of people believe is of equal importance. On these dates C-SPAN rebroadcast a panel discussion, held originally in late June... to discuss what really happened on September 11, 2001... The meeting was attended by 1,200 people interested in hearing something other than the official story of 9/11. The TV audience was evidently large enough to spur C-SPAN to broadcast the panel discussion five separate times in four days...
...Let’s address the real issues here. Why is it important that we not let the so-called conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 be drowned out? After spending the better part of the last five years treating these theories with utmost skepticism, I have devoted serious time to actually studying them in recent months, and have also carefully watched several videos that are available on the subject. I have come to believe that significant parts of the 9/11 theories are true, and that therefore significant parts of the “official story†put out by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission are false. I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe...
Christison had previously emerged as a critic of Bush foreign policy in Robert Greenwald's "Uncovered: the War on Iraq" - "That very first day, on September 12, one day after September 11... the meeting that was held in the White House, in the situation room... led to Rumsfeld asking the question, “Shouldn’t we use this as an opportunity to do something about Iraq as well?â€" - Bill Christison.
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Hooray for Christison, but I
Hooray for Christison, but I was dismayed to see that he does not mention the multiple, simultaneous war games (at least six of them) being conducted on that very morning. Now is the time for a full-court press on these exercises, which were meant to paralyze air defenses and distract air traffic controllers. Christison and others should be encouraged to follow up on this angle, which has gotten scant attention.
Thompson isn't much of a
Thompson isn't much of a spokesman... that appearance was almost totally worthless. They only talked about "missed opportunities", etc. Didn't even give a shout-out for the link to the timeline.
more and more coming to our
more and more coming to our side. let's hope it won't be too late.
Thank you very very much
Thank you very very much Bill Christison.
Hey all, Paul Thompson is supposed to be on Air America / Randi Rhodes at 5:30pm Eastern.......
Wow...just wow...makes you
Wow...just wow...makes you wonder how MANY other former or current CIA, FBI, DOD, Pentagon, etc people think the official story is a hogwash and that our "theories" may not be that far off?
WHERE the HELL is Woodward/BErstein and anew Jim Garrison?
This is fantastic, but is
This is fantastic, but is there anyone here who can get this guy and others like him in front of a camera on or before 9/11? Jon, can you arrange that kind of thing? There needs to be a show of numbers, a very visual show of numbers. Put a bunch of experts that middle America can trust in front of a camera and say, "These EXPERTS have studied 9/11, and they say something is very wrong with the official story."
9/11 Truth is still missing an effective marketing strategy. It's visibility is still a testament to the hard working individuals at the grass roots.
9/11 Truth IS lacking an
9/11 Truth IS lacking an effective marketing strategy. Here's a wild idea: how much do you think it would cost to engage the services of a marketing/public relations firm? Or is there a truther out there with that sort of expertise? Doesn't Cindy Sheehan have something like that?
I'm all for guerilla marketing tactics, but I think the time has come to look at all the options.
Wow...just wow...makes you
Wow...just wow...makes you wonder how MANY other former or current CIA, FBI, DOD, Pentagon, etc people think the official story is a hogwash and that our "theories" may not be that far off?
***
Can there really be any doubt that any government agent worth his salt knows that the OV is hogwash?
These people are trained to connect evidence and facts. Here the evidence and facts are overwhelming! The conclusion is crystal clear.
No it is fear that is keeping these people from coming forward. The same fear that keeps the Democrats and the Libertarians (for that matter) from making 911 Truth the central focus as we get closer to the November elections.
We have enough truth on our side to utterly dessimate the Republican party in this country forever.
If not now, when?
Incredible. Looks like I
Incredible. Looks like I have my post for the day. Excellent news!!
Thanks guys, by the way!!
Thanks guys, by the way!!
Is the dissidentvoice site
Is the dissidentvoice site down, or it is my PC acting up?
Nope, okay, got it...
Nope, okay, got it...
i think Thompson still
i think Thompson still thinks the MSM is gonna come knocking on his door sometime soon, so he usually plays it safe and lets his work do the talking.
in a just world, they would
in a just world, they would have knocked on his door a long time ago, but he better not hold his breath waiting......
casseia, I agree. I sent an
casseia,
I agree. I sent an email to this former CIA official (his email address is at the end of the article) and urged him to get involved in 9/11 Truth. I told him someone of his stature could make a real difference by confronting the mainstream media on this issue. Sometimes people just need a little encouragement; they need to know there are millions like them out there.
It's all about visibility at this point. LC2E has been a marketing machine for the movement, but something more professional needs to be done. By "professional," I mean something more like advertising than filmmaking. Something with a concise message. Something that makes people believe at least in part because of the people sponsoring the message (and not just the message itself).
Consider what the enemy does: they create a uniform set of talking points, then bombard people with visual propaganda from morning to night. There's no harm in imitating some of their tactics, if the outcome is justice.
Don't start with marketing,
Don't start with marketing, advertising and PR. It is about the truth and not a commercial good.
Watch this VIDEO. Notice on
Watch this VIDEO.
Notice on the timecode at about the 5:23 mark, in the upper right hand corner, there is a flying orb of some type. A UFO, if you will.
What is that?
"9/11 Detainee Released
"9/11 Detainee Released After Nearly Five Years":
http://tinyurl.com/fhz5c
There is also a poll on that site!
simuvac, Thanks. I'll email
simuvac,
Thanks. I'll email him, too.
In a sense, the Truth movement has organically developed "talking points." The question is, are they effective? That's something a professional marketer would evaluate, with focus groups, etc.
Our organic talking points:
"Building 7"
"Thermate"
"Freefall collapse into its own footprint"
"No plane at the Pentagon"
"Put options"
"Inside job"
"PNAC= New Pearl Harbor"
many more
We all have strategies for argument, usually based on what "flipped a switch" for us as individuals, initially. I think mine was freefall collapse. However, I've been backing away from physical evidence toward testimony-based evidence, because I think it is more effective at persuading someone who, unlike me, has never considered a "conspiracy theory" before in her life. I THINK, I don't KNOW that's more effective. It would be nice to know.
If there are, say, any business major college or grad school people out in the 911blogger lurkosphere, now would be the time to speak up.
C'mon people, come
C'mon people, come visit
over
here:
http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Forums&file=showtopic&topi...
Help dialog with people who ask good questions about 9/11 but can't believe that the gov't is behind this.
The music is great, and it's a great community too.
http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Forums&file=showtopic&topi...
.
Flood, I empathize with your
Flood, I empathize with your anti-marketing sentiments, but as I said, it is certainly time to consider all options, and take anything useful from the field of marketing/ads/PR in SERVICE to the truth.
Roger Rabbit, that's enough.
Roger Rabbit, that's enough. Stop spamming.
I feel very uncomfortable of
I feel very uncomfortable of everyone talking about those supposedly alive hijackers because of those Sept´01 news articles about them.
If they are alive, why nobody has talked to them (since)? Its been 5 years almost and nothing new from them, if they are alive, what is going on? Arent you interested? Contact them for f---s sake!
On a related issue, here's a
On a related issue, here's a very important petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/j7truth/petition.html
The British government is demanded to present proof for their narrative on the 7/7 bombings.
Please read and sign.
tep, I think the "live
tep,
I think the "live hijackers" argument is indeed problematic. The way I would construct it is to emphasize the fact that the FBI had a list of names and photos within an incredibly short time after the attacks. The fact that some of these identities appear to have been stolen, by somebody, should undermine the whole 19 guys thesis. But it's just ignored.
I noticed he pointed to the
I noticed he pointed to the most controversial discrepencies in the official account and claims these problems are the most pressing. I find this dubious.
There's definitely a problem
There's definitely a problem with the list of 19 hijackers, but I don't think that issue registers as a "switch flipper" for most.
At 911truth.org, a poll of almost 64,000 people found the following:
What led you to be most suspicious of the official story?
Lack of air defense response 8782 (13.75)%
Building 7 collapse 9160 (14.34)%
Pentagon hole 10390 (16.27)%
Bush's response 5321 (8.33)%
Insider Trading 2015 (3.15)%
FBI and CIA coverups 2293 (3.59)%
Demolition-like collapse of WTC 1 & 2 14448 (22.62)%
Gut intuition 7670 (12.01)%
Other 3795 (5.94)%
Notice how 3 of the top 4 (demolition WTC1&2, pentagon hole, WTC7) are very visual phenomena. You have to SEE those collapses to register the weight of the lies told about them. The Pentagon hole must be SEEN to be understood. These are phenomena that are difficult to communicate in conversation, no matter how many facts one has. And yet they are the most convincing to people who accept 9/11 Truth.
"Bush's Response" is also popular. Of course, it was used in Moore's film to great effect (even though the film missed the boat on 9/11). Again, it's something that must be seen.
9/11 Truth needs television. We've all seen the movies about this stuff, because we spend time on the Internet and we look for it. But most people don't and haven't. Those people need to be reached.
hearing people like this
hearing people like this come forward gives this movement so much weight.
When you have former NSA and CIA and military and pilots and engineers coming forward, how the freaking HELL can people NOT take this seriously?
great points simuvac, there
great points simuvac, there is a lesson to be learned from those polls. and one lesson is, you should NOT ignore CD and the Pentagon. visual evidence is indeed what is needed to push people over the LIHOP edge.
That's the reason why we
That's the reason why we should spread tons of dvds with a note that the receipient is allowed to make copies and to spread it further.
Terrorstorm is a good movie as well as WKJO, because it is more like a feature film.
I'm looking forward to the next version of LC2 and Press for Truth and I'm trying to convince on of our national tv channels to air one of them (I'm living in a big european country). Shouldn't be that hard with my connections.
I think the "live hijackers"
I think the "live hijackers" argument is indeed problematic. The way I would construct it is to emphasize the fact that the FBI had a list of names and photos within an incredibly short time after the attacks. The fact that some of these identities appear to have been stolen, by somebody, should undermine the whole 19 guys thesis. But it's just ignored.
casseia | 08.14.06 - 6:33 pm | #
Agreed. The "hijackers alive" is certainly not our most compelling evidence. (The perps can just say we made a mistake, they had stolen the IDs, etc.) I would not lead off with the hijackers-alive evidence. I'd save it for much further down the line arguments, IMO.
does anyone know if the BBC
does anyone know if the BBC retracted its "hijackers alive" story or any of the facts in it?
tep, Casseia's right. While
tep,
Casseia's right. While it's odd we haven't heard anything new on these supposedly living "hijackers" (or those who had their identities stolen) in a really long time, the focus should be on:
1) The investigations which must've been ongoing at that point (like Able Danger), since they came forward with overwhelming evidence moments after the attacks
2) The lack of arabic names on any of the flight manifests or lists of the deceased
3) The FBI's admission that their identities are in question
4) Both the redundant and forged evidence pointing to these "suspects"
The response you should give in conversations about the living hijackers is the same sort as you should to the living/deceased passengers. How could we be expected to have access to information about these people, dead or alive? All we know is what doesn't make sense and what we're not being told.
Notice how one of the first
Notice how one of the first questions Tucker Carlson smugly asked Dr. Griffin went something like, "So, you really believe some of the hijackers are alive"?
No, I didn't mean to imply
No, I didn't mean to imply that "living hijackers" was a "switch flipper." I was just pointing out that it is one of several factors that cast doubt on the validity of the official cast of characters, and works best when combined with those other factors in an argument.
That's a really interesting point about visual evidence. Obviously, people taking a poll at a 911 truth website are a self-selected group to start with, and also "early adopters" or whatever the phrase is. That doesn't make me doubt that visual evidence can be a highly persuasive approach, it just puts it into context. Also, it's interesting that the findings are kind of all over the map -- it would be nice if 50-60% percent of responders were like "oh yeah, freefall collapse of the towers, that did it for me."
The visual evidence in the form of the towers imploding/erupting is particularly interesting to me. On the one hand, I believe that when people are exposed to basic scientific principles AND see the video enough times, the idea that they are gravity-driven collapses BECOMES counter-intuitive. On the other hand, these images are central to what was an act of mass-traumatization, and for a lot of people, just seeing them again once retriggers the trauma. Makes it tricky to use.
Yes, two questions that must
Yes, two questions that must not be answered by Truthers on TV:
"So, you believe the hijackers are alive?"
and
"So, where are the passengers, then?"
The first question has a paradox within its premise: by calling them "hijackers" you are assuming they were the people on the planes that crashed, and so by claiming they are "still alive" you appear to make no sense. Better left alone.
The second question is the one the LC guys get caught answering when MSM wants to talk about the pentagon. Don't go there! No good can come from saying, "Well, maybe they were executed by the military...."
It's best to avoid all hypotheticals (like "why" did "they" orchestrate 9/11 -- who cares, the point is it wasn't 19 Arabs from the other side of the world).
Stick to the facts (e.g. war games), and avoid speculation. It only complicates things.
YAHOO NEWS...it's a war
YAHOO NEWS...it's a war we'll be a'goin'
Iran must stop supporting armed groups trying to derail democracies in Iraq and Lebanon, President Bush said on Monday, casting the war between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas as part of a wider struggle against terrorism.
Bush added Lebanon to Iraq and Afghanistan as a front in what his administration calls the global war on terror. "The conflict in Lebanon is part of a broader struggle between freedom and terror that is unfolding across the region," he said.
"It's no coincidence that two nations that are building free societies in the heart of the Middle East -- Lebanon and Iraq -- are also the scenes of the most violent terrorist activity," Bush said.
On the other hand, these
On the other hand, these images are central to what was an act of mass-traumatization, and for a lot of people, just seeing them again once retriggers the trauma. Makes it tricky to use.
___________________________________--
One more reason why WTC 7 is key - nobody has ever seen it before.
With each passing day that WTC 7 is not addressed, I wonder WHY?
WHY is the most obvious smoking gun not utilized more?
NOBODY has an explanation for WTC 7.
Anybody who believes the official story should be pressed for an explanation of WTC 7. Without an explanation for WTC 7, the burden of persuasion shifts to them.
the pnac are a bunch of
the pnac are a bunch of bitches\
fuck them in the goddam neck
this guy is ex cia so he's probably an anal pus bubble
"The visual evidence in the
"The visual evidence in the form of the towers imploding/erupting is particularly interesting to me. On the one hand, I believe that when people are exposed to basic scientific principles AND see the video enough times, the idea that they are gravity-driven collapses BECOMES counter-intuitive. On the other hand, these images are central to what was an act of mass-traumatization, and for a lot of people, just seeing them again once retriggers the trauma. Makes it tricky to use."
-- casseia
I think that the collapse of the WTC7 is better suited than the collapse of WTC1/2 to show unaware people what the truth movement is all about.
We should collect footage from other similar buildings collapsing because of a fire or a natural cause (earthquake, ...) and make a side-by-side comparision. It is easy to proof that no other building collapsed this way before, because of a fire.
RANDKILLER999 | 08.14.06 -
RANDKILLER999 | 08.14.06 - 7:15 pm | #
That^ was not a helpful post.
ALL THE SHILLS ARE
ALL THE SHILLS ARE INSTRUCTED NOT TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING 7 ON TV----
"BUILDING 7 PROVES BUSH DID 911"
everybody knows that!!
"Chertoff: We must eliminate
"Chertoff: We must eliminate people who are susceptible to becoming killer"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5638197
I have a strange fealing when I hear "eliminate people" from this former FEMA (camps?) and now DoHS guy.
I've been telling everyone
I've been telling everyone about these camps...any idea where they are building them?
Someone asked me today and I had no idea...and my argument fell to pieces...right in the crapper.
I'm pre-ordering 9/11: Press
I'm pre-ordering 9/11: Press for Truth.
Does anyone know if there are any promotions that I can use to save a couple of bucks on the purchase?
There is a space to input a promtional code.
Thanks!
We are canvassing 9/11
We are canvassing 9/11 groups looking for a consensus on the evidence proving 9/11 was an inside job by the government.
If you were asked to name the top 3 reasons, what would they be?
Thanks in advance for you help.
PollTalk, Top 3 Reasons 9/11
PollTalk,
Top 3 Reasons 9/11 Inside Job
1) WTC 7
2) Stand down of U.S. military.
3) Lack of evidence of plane hitting the Pentagon.
PollTalk, - Highly unusual
PollTalk,
- Highly unusual collapse of the WTC buildings
- Highly suspicious behavior of several members of the administration
- Deliberate cover-up, seizure and/or destruction of core evidences
Just my two cents.
OT is everyone aware of the
OT is everyone aware of the Glen Beckkk video on youtube where he calls for the gassing of the hollywood liberals , should he get his precious little WW3?It's incredible stuff. I thought it was a joke at first.
1. War Games simulating
1. War Games simulating "hijacked airliners" crashing into buildings at exact same time as attacks
2. Controlled Demolition, including WTC7, molten metal, thermate, and mysterious "power downs" in the weeks prior to 911
3. History of False Flag operations, far too numerous to report here.
"We would like to take this
"We would like to take this time to encourage you and all students who demand a new investigation into the events of 9/11 to stage a one day peaceful campus sit-in on the 5 year anniversary of 9/11. This can be done rather quickly if you are well organized and have other students to help you. Contact: Kent Knudson, 911cd@cox.net, 602-246-4299." More…
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/pol/193821229.html
(from digg)
I LOVE THIS! As stated
I LOVE THIS!
As stated before, more and more comming to realize the Truth!
AMEN!
Ronnied
www.487ptown.com
hey casseia, did you go to
hey casseia,
did you go to leauterneau university in texas?
Watch this VIDEO. Notice on
Watch this VIDEO.
Notice on the timecode at about the 5:23 mark, in the upper right hand corner, there is a flying orb of some type. A UFO, if you will.
What is that?
Chris Rose | Homepage | 08.14.06 - 6:12 pm | #
There is also footage of a plane (or something) in the video "September 11 Revisited" in the same place, if you look for it.
What is this?
"The Disclosure Film Series
"The Disclosure Film Series invites you to a four-part symposium beginning on the five-year anniversary of the September attacks of 2001. Through independent films and presentations we hope to provide facts and information that disprove the Governments official account of the events of 9/11."
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/eve/193738831.html
(sorry for the double posts above, but I swear I just clicked once)
Why hasn't someone contacted
Why hasn't someone contacted the pilot Dr. Griffin spoke of with Tucker Carlson? Couldn't something be arranged where he might deliver an interview on line or video tape himself for You Tube or something, so truthers can prove he's alive?
Shouldn't Jimmy Walter, Phil Berg or someone have contacted this guy especially for the lawsuit Berg is pursuing? Wouldn't it bolster his case.
It may not be the most important factor cause Bush would claim that they aren't sure of all the hijackers names supposedly, but still, it would be tremendously good PR to have a 9/11 hijackers walking and talking on radio or TV on or around September 11, 2006. It would surely open people's eyes.
I hope too that Dr. Jones is playing his cards close to his chest when he releases his final thermate paper. That is, I hope he arranges, very privately, to be interviewed somehow in the MSM on radio or TV with someone who will take his findings seriously. And then follow up with a press release so that Bush and Co. have no idea when it will happen, because I expect they have prepared an equal and opposite reaction that may spell a new 9/11 to counter act that release.
Hmmm... These first two
Hmmm...
These first two points provide the strongest evidence available that the “official story” of 9/11 is not true.
Not trying to be a pest here, but this guy used to work for the CIA...and he claims that what hit the Pentagon is the number one smoking gun?
I don't know...just sounds peculiar and all.
"Shouldn't Jimmy Walter,
"Shouldn't Jimmy Walter, Phil Berg or someone have contacted this guy especially for the lawsuit Berg is pursuing? Wouldn't it bolster his case.
It may not be the most important factor cause Bush would claim that they aren't sure of all the hijackers names supposedly, but still, it would be tremendously good PR to have a 9/11 hijackers walking and talking on radio or TV on or around September 11, 2006. It would surely open people's eyes."
Amen to that. Although if true that some of these cats were alive after-the-fact, they may have been relocated to the "witness protection program", if you catch my drift.
LetÂ’s give Webster
LetÂ’s give Webster Tarpley and other mistakenly labeled conspiracists who have labored in the wilderness for so long three cheers.
daniel in Korea, No, I've
daniel in Korea,
No, I've lived in the Pacific NW all my life and went to school here.
MediaPuppet, Sure, he's CIA
MediaPuppet,
Sure, he's CIA and he's prioritizing the Pentagon, which makes him suspect, but I think he can be used by the movement nonetheless. It's effective to say, "Several former CIA analysts have come forward with doubts about the official story." You don't have to offer specifics.
By the sound of his article, he's either (a) a newbie to 9/11 Truth, or (b) a plant. I don't believe he can do any serious damage, either way. He's more of a plus than a minus, whatever his intentions.
Not trying to be a pest
Not trying to be a pest here, but this guy used to work for the CIA...and he claims that what hit the Pentagon is the number one smoking gun?
I don't know...just sounds peculiar and all.
MediaPuppet | comment | 08.14.06 - 8:20 pm | #
I agree that his priorities are jacked up. Nonetheless, this endorsement will ring true for those who read Tom Clancy novels and believe them (lol) as well as operatives, (as opposed to analysts), who may start wondering, what it is, they are up to their asses in.
For me, the article doesn't "kick in" until after his prioritizing; when he decimates the political status quo.
That is good stuff. This is a bi-partisan problem, a systematic problem, a big problem, hell... THE global problem. Just my opinion.
Top 3 Talking Points: 1) War
Top 3 Talking Points:
1) War Games
2) Controlled Demolition
3) Obstruction of Intelligence Gathering / Destruction of Evidence ("If they aren't trying to hide anything, why are they hiding everything?")
I know, I know... everybody wants to talk about the Pentagon. I say, let them play their hand first with the release of the 80+ videos. If they've doctored those videos to show a plane, the whole Truth movement is dead in the water. So I think people should lay off that one. Play it close to the vest.
OT: "If they aren't trying
OT:
"If they aren't trying to hide anything, why are they hiding everything?"
Simuvac, just curious, are you a C-SPAN / Bowman newbie?
Off topic Has anyone seen
Off topic
Has anyone seen "Talladega Nights"? Someone at the 8th Estate board thinks that two characters at the end were identified as representatives of Halliburton and Dyncorp but would like someone to confirm it for him.
"If they aren't trying to
"If they aren't trying to hide anything, why are they hiding everything?"
Simuvac, just curious, are you a C-SPAN / Bowman newbie?
MediaPuppet | 08.14.06 - 8:39 pm
IMO, that tagline and "the truth about 9/11 is that we don't know the truth about 9/11" both rock. They sound almost as if they were professionally crafted, but that's a good thing in this case.
casseiea, oh, ok thanks.
casseiea, oh, ok thanks. there was someone with the same name i used to know a while back.
MediaPuppet, No. Just
MediaPuppet,
No. Just quoting Bowman because he summed it up nicely.
IRC channel
IRC channel available:
Server: irc.freenode.net
Channel: #911blogger
I've been telling everyone
I've been telling everyone about these camps...any idea where they are building them?
Someone asked me today and I had no idea...and my argument fell to pieces...right in the crapper.
R | 08.14.06 - 7:34 pm | #
Check out page 38 of the Aug issue of Rolling Stone magazine. "Jailhouse Nation"
>>Sure, he's CIA and he's
>>Sure, he's CIA and he's prioritizing the Pentagon, which makes him suspect, but I think he can be used by the movement nonetheless.
That's right everyone! The 9/11 truth truthies will have no trouble 'using' the multi-decade experienced intelligence agents from the most powerfully funded arm of the most powerfully propagandized and corrupt nation in the entire world.
Golly gee! Even the most sophisticated infiltrators couldn't imagine what an asset they are to us -- we just know better!
Afterall, who cares *what* he promotes, truthies! As long as he says he thinks it was an 'inside job,' I don't care if he says an alien autopsy happened on the Pentagon lawn!
they had gene simmons on fox
they had gene simmons on fox news hyping his new show,,,,
he started bullshitting about his great family and he said if he caught one of them doing drugs he would....
"send them out to one of the camps in the desert, the desert drug camps"
_________________________---
he is definitely a rothschild puppet
these people are exploiting the people who believe in judaism to try and set up their own personal worldwide dictatorship
americans will never go for
americans will never go for the concentration camps...
911truth is breaking through more and more each day!!
By that logic, givemeabreak,
By that logic, givemeabreak, we should ignore Mel Goodman, David MacMichaels and Ray McGovern. In fact, we can't trust Sibel Edmonds or any of the FBI whistleblowers. That goes double for someone like Robert Bowman, who worked on Star Wars, and Paul Craig Roberts, who was buddy buddy with Ronald Reagan. Heck, I've seen character assassinations of David Ray Griffin and Steven Jones. Look hard enough, and you're likely to find reasons to ostracize everyone.
At that rate, 9/11 Truth will devour itself with paranoia before it had a chance to do anything of value.
"Watch this VIDEO. Notice on
"Watch this VIDEO.
Notice on the timecode at about the 5:23 mark, in the upper right hand corner, there is a flying orb of some type. A UFO, if you will.
What is that?
Chris Rose | Homepage | 08.14.06 - 6:12 pm | # "
Probably a helicopter, as there were helicopters in the sky at -- and around -- the WTC at that time.
^^^^ I thought it was a bird
^^^^ I thought it was a bird in the for-ground
http://angelsfortruth.com/ An
http://angelsfortruth.com/
Anybody know about this site?
http://video.google.com/video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4941933333448618909
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"^^^^ I thought it was a
"^^^^ I thought it was a bird in the for-ground
Anonymous | 08.14.06 - 9:25 pm | # "
There is a different clip that 4 stills were taken from, that was a black streak which appeared to be behind/beside the North tower during the impact of Flight 175 hitting the South tower, that different websites and people were claiming was a super-fast travelling UFO in the background. But that was actually a bird in the foreground.
As for the UFO in the YouTube video linked above, I would put my bet on it being a helicopter.
I don't trust this CIA guy.
I don't trust this CIA guy.
I meant to say, after
I meant to say, after carefully reading what he wrote at the Dissident website, I don't trust him.
The behavior of the SS on
The behavior of the SS on 9/11 is anothing huge smoking gun that should be in the top 5. What possible answer could they give for why the SS didn't respond as they are trained to do in the event of a possible threat to the President's life? No member of the MSM has ever asked this question, why? Always the focus has been on the president's behavior, not that of the SS, which is summarily dismissed on the grounds of just shell shocked incompetence.
OK, my 3 most important
OK, my 3 most important points for 9/11 truth, in this order:
1. Stand-down by air force
2. Controlled demolition of towers and WTC 7.
3. Squashed investigations by FBI that allowed patsies to roam free. I would add in passing the confusion about the hijackers identities and some of them being alive, and refusal of gov't to clarify issue, with FBI saying no evidence for Osama connection.
Point 3 sounds like more than one point but it really is one package, because it deals with the "Muslims did it" angle. Point 3 could be rephrased as "no evidence Muslim hijackers or Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11."
This is a good way to conceive the issue also because it leads to a series of related sub-points:
a. Hijackers alive.
b. No Arab names on manifests.
c. False Bin Laden video, "conveniently found" in a huge country.
...and more.
The thing about the hijackers possibly being alive really IS important: after all, when you're dealing with any major crime, the question of who actually did it - physically - is not exactly a loose end, now is it?
I was considering the movements (lack thereof) of top officials as possible candidates for point 3, but in the end I thought that whatever points we consider, they should be as close to the core of the action itself, of making 9/11 happen, as possible. For instance the history of false flag terrorism is important, but that's inferential, that's background, and thus indirect. Operation Northwoods is not a smoking gun.
Once someone has latched onto the main points and is ready for more depth, then:
1. History of false flag terrorism.
2. PNAC agenda.
3. Movements of Bush and others on 9/11.
4. Statements of Bush people: 9/11 is an "opportunity."
I would enhance #4 and
I would enhance #4 and mention Bush's statements that he had seen the first plane hit the WTC towers on TV from his limo, before any such footage had been released to the networks.
Maybe he had a live wireless feed from the dancing Mossad agent's camcorder!
R...you can try
R...you can try www.geocities.com for possible locations for the REX 84 camps but I can't verify that information.I'm not sure that any civilians know where they are.And I think that some of the camp "locations" have been de-bunked. It is something that I am concerned about,especially with this new information that Bush is trying to take over command of the National Guard,away from the states.
I have asked people who
I have asked people who believed the governments story,this question; How long do you think it took the government to start the 9/11 investigation? Most have said between 1 month to 3 months;3 months being the longest. I then asked why they thought it took that long. All of them answered that because they knew who did it right away,that their photos were shown on TV.
When I told them the official investigation wasn't started untill October of the following year, they were shocked,some said I was full of crap. So I showed them when the 9/11 commission report was started,they were receptive to hear more.
So this seems to be a good way to get into be taken seriously.
And 3 cheers for Tarpley! Go
And 3 cheers for Tarpley!
Go Webster!
Go Webster!
Go Webster!
I don't trust this CIA
I don't trust this CIA guy.
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haha, most people,rightfully so, dont trust CIA agents. its only rational.
Saw this on a blog the other
Saw this on a blog the other day:
"Professionally I teach stress management for corporations. I have observed Rumsfeld and Rice's behaviour lately on TV. They are terrified. They can barely breathe. There is a defeatism and terror in their eyes and frantic speech patterns, that were not long ago so arrogant and proud." ...and it went on.
My fellow Americans - the worm has turned - lets keep it up! Justice is going to visit these guys.
boast and others, IT WILL BE
boast and others, IT WILL BE TOO LATE! We MUST DEMAND AND NOW THE IMMEDIATE ARREST OF BUSH,CHENEY AND REST OF TREASON BASTARDS AND NOW! Now Bush wants authority to call out Guard AGAINST OUR OWN PEOPLE and take authority away from Governors,which we can NOT let happen! Google: Operation Cable Splicer and Garden PLot too! These no good mass murdering traitorous bastards MUST BE STOPPED AND NOW! AND I DO MEAN NOW before they nuke a U.S. city or some other innocent people overseas OR BOTH! Then he/they are building a biological building in D.C. which goes against Geneva Convention! Israel and U.S. right now is pure evil! The leaders as well as BLair! Who is he/they going to use biological on? U.S. citizens and other innocent foreigners, IS WHO! Then there is 800 "detention camps" of FEMA complete with gas chambers!
"Former" CIA spook Bill
"Former" CIA spook Bill Christison, after 5 years, weighs in on 9-11 in such a way that we must accept certain theories, or GUESS WHAT:
"If the government could prove this evidence false, and its own story on these points correct, all the other data and speculation supporting the conspiracy theories would be undermined."
Absolute nonsense. This man's credibility is zero.
According to Christison, if the World Trade Center wasn't blown up with explosives (unproven either way), and a Boeing 757 can be shown to have hit the Pentagon (similarly unproven either way), then the government is off the hook.
This PSYOPS cannot stand.
We have a lot of other evidence of government hijinks around 9-11, and a lot of it MORE INCRIMINATING than these two "theories" that Christinson would have us bet the farm on.
1) For starters, as Daniel Hopsicker has documented: The Florida flight school Huffman Aviation was a CIA and protected drug smuggling operation, and no one is being prosecuted or even investigated for the crimes connected to things like 43 pounds of heroin and another company which was located there (Skyway) with CIA Air America type operations that got caught with 5.5 TONS of cocaine on what appeared to be a "Department of Homeland Security" DC-9.
This is the tip of the iceberg, as Hopsicker showed that Mohamed Atta was already a pilot, with pilot's licenses from other countries, and that he was not a fundamentalist Muslim, but rather an intelligence asset and drug runner.
We don't hear shit about that from the 9-11 report, the FBI, or from Christinson (CIA).
2) We have the Pakistani ISI FUNDING THE 9-11 ATTACKS, which remains uninvestigated and unprosecuted. The head of ISI Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad remains conspicuously absent from the FBI Most Wanted List, even after he sent Mohamed Atta $100,000, on at least one occasion. Pakistani ISI CREATED AL QAEDA at the instructions of the CIA, as the ISI serves as a proxy intelligence service for CIA. The Afghan Mujahaden operation was the "largest" CIA operation in history. This is unmentionable, obviously.
3) At the Genoa G-8 meeting, July 20 of 2001, George W. Bush was personally MOVED FROM A HIGH RISE HOTEL because of a "known Al Qaeda plot to assassinate Bush and other world leaders."(LA Times 9-27-01). Bush, it was reported on CNN, would not "stay with other world leaders because of a threat of terrorism." This incident calls into question Bush's actions during the 9-11 attacks, staying in a publicly announced location (sitting duck) for 20 minutes AFTER the SECOND TOWER was struck. With Norad and Secret Service being informed considerably sooner than that, the entire ordeal is ABSURD BEYOND DESCRIPTION. And the administration is guilty of high treason for LETTING THE ATTACKS HAPPEN WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO STOP THEM (at the least).
Add to that mountains of further evidence, none of which relies on the Twin Towers being pre-wired, nor on missiles hitting the Pentagon. Christinson is misleading and not to be trusted.
John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State:
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/