There is a danger in using too many talking points. I think people should concentrate on a few of the most important ones. I personally think WTC 7 is the most important one.

Youtube should be filled with compilations of WTC 7 collapses, complemented with easily digestible information about what was lost in the destruction.

Crossing The Rubicon: Endnotes

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/

I registered and voted in like 2 minutes total.

I suggest everyone go do this.

Five times "no", two times "not sure" and two times "yes. Never seen such a biased poll.

It's the same tactic the GOP uses during the elections...

Because Green Party candidates are closer to Democrats than they are Republicans, the theory is that if you vote for Green, you're taking a vote away from the Democrats.

Of course, our votes belong to us, and not the Democrats, or the Republicans.

I hate WorldNetDaily. I find them to be extremely right wing biased.

Check out the following article about the latest "terrorism" scare, written by the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14541.htm

Most worrying is his description of British Home Secretary John Reid: "A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's 'Enforcer', (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line."

Consider that this (former) thug is responsible for law and order in Britain, claims he can keep us all safe from terrorists, and is considered by some to be a potential successor to Tony Blair. Now that's something to be scared about.

9/11 & American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out (Paperback)

by Kevin Barrett, John Cobb and Sandra Lubarsky

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566566606/sr=8-3/qid=1155650085/ref=pd...

"I had the same experience at the haircut place today. Some people overheard a conversation I had with Janice Matthews on the phone while waiting for my turn. Before I left, EVERYONE in the place was talking about 9-11 in TOTAL agreement with me. I exchanged phone numbers with a physisist and MD who was there and extremely interested in what I had to say. One gentleman even brought up OKC and said it was an inside job too! Keep up the great work everyone!"

Yet, another post on 911Blogger.com... bastage.

Fargin' Icehole. ;-)

You're too young to know that movie.

I'm insulted.

Were you like 0 when that came out?

You shouldn't insult me, Jonny.

My mother insulted me once.

Once.

Nice.

I was between 1 and 2, thank you.

You fargin a-sneeky bastages.....

My own sister 'gave me the time of day' about my concerns over "9/11". Considering the virtually estranged relation I've had with my sister for almost 15 years, immeasurable what it means to me that she did so.

I drink my morning pot of coffee at a local spook hangout. The eyes in the room are darting around now like you wouldn't believe.

Even old George "sword-in-the-chest" Tennant gave me a friendly-ish-ish nod the other day.

Neo-Cons or "Illuminati bankers" may be smart.... but they're not so smart to have scripted the last several weeks. Control Freaks ALWAYS underestimate the statistical out-layers.... people with the guts to boldly run a site like 911Blogger, or to throw rotten eggs at naked kings.

One of the biggest obstacles is that we simply don't own the language anymore. The word association op that's been developed over the past century or so is to lable anyone who disagrees with govt policy a "conspiracy theorist." This is the perfect mind game, because it not only belittles the believer, but renders "all conspiracies" as "theories."

We are all aware of this, yet we (myself included) often repeat phrases like CT ands such in our descriptions, because the shorthand is efficient. I do see more usage of "9/11 Truth Seeker"and "the govt's conspiracy theory", which is the right direction.

They own the language because they own the Media, it's as simple as that. They can allow as mucnay trickles of 9/11 truth to come forward as they want, because the media machine can squelch anything. 50 C-SPAN Truth Conferences doesn't come close to equalling one WTC movie, in fact, having the Truth Conference come out immediately before this movie was a psy-op in itself. A discrediting by association. Old trick.

One theme I try to constantly harp on is for us to not get too optimistic about "poll numbers." Polls are equally owned by these pricks, and numbers can be skewed to shore up flimsy confidence. Confidence that can then be used to crush the soul when it is revealed to have been false or dishonestly represented.

Jon Stewart is a hero of mine. But he's not going to expose 9/11 Truth on The Daily Show, you're dreaming. I wouldn't even assume Jon is totally aware of the evidence - he may well be, he may not. Same for Colbert. Both are in the midst of meteoric career rise, and that is a big reason to tread lightly and carefully. Sumner Rothstein (oops, I mean Redstone... I was using his maiden name) isn't going to sanction anything outside "official" until "official" stands for a watered-down, disinfected version of events that a Jersey Girl could love.

And anything that comes out about this before the November elections is not a good sign. I'm not privvy to the game plan, but I feel strongly that 9/11 suspicions could be used to threaten the Dems with a split vote that could 'lose the election.' And the past 6 years of essentially uncontested NeoCon bullshit have rendered that 'no option' for the Liberal cause. Katrina is a go, 9/11 is a show-stopper.

Keep a level head, folks. This is a battle in a war that may already have been lost. But every battle must be fought, in hopes it gets attention, and opened peripheral minds and hearts.

hey all... i got someone that i'm getting close to seeing the truth and want to provide more information. what are the best sites for newbies to visit to learn about what really happened.
thx

180:

start here

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

by the way dz, you're "top 15" on the top of the page should be "top 40" now

Jon Stewart and Colbert have razor sharp wit, they're semi-progressive and we all get a kick out seeing them lambaste the powers-that-be, but I caution against imagining these characters as real shit-disturbers who actually want to overhaul the system. They're court-jesters is all. They play within the confines of repsetable discourse and that's why they're aloud to play to begin with. In fact, Jon Stewart openly declared his support for the Afghani war on Larry King, couched, of course, with grave dissaproval over the adventure in Iraq. If he was a real progressive/radical, he would have condemned the Afghan war as well (after all: war begets war), as a few brave folks did at the time.

He won't touch Israel, and he won't touch 911. If he does, I'll eat my hat.

i totally agree, but still Danse, you have to admit that Colberts performance at the correspondents dinner seriously bothered many of the elitist scum in attendance. namely W. they wont forget his name, hahaha.

your*

Colbert is a Court Jester... he was allowed to get away with what he said.

If he crossed a line, well, you know what happens to the jesters that the king doesn't find humorous anymore.

"What are the best sites for newbies to visit to learn about what really happened" --

Look around you, Emmanuel, it will astound you.

Olbermann Exposes Nexus Of Politics And Terror
Details ten clear examples where Bush admin. alerts preceded by damaging revelations

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 15 2006

During a prime time segment on his MSNBC show last night, anchor Keith Olbermann presented ten clear examples where the Bush administration had issued terror alerts days after politically damaging revelations and questioned the credibility of each of the alleged plots' authenticity in light of astounding evidence to the contrary.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/150806thenexus.htm
mentions Colleen Rowley, FBI living with 2 of the hijackers and other 9/11 related stuff. the MSM isnt quite dead, its just flopping around like a fish out of water.

Jason Bermas interview today on the Charles Goyette show.

File size is 42.5 mb

Interview with Jason starts at 1.07.45 into the show.

Jason Bermas on Charles Goyette.mp3:
Download level(3) network link.

http://rapidshare.de/files/29520438/Jason_Bermas_on_Charles_Goyette.mp3....

Crooks and liars and dailykos are obsessed with the non-issue that is Leiberman, yet ban anything that hits outside of the mainstream.

Looks like a typical disinfo scheme. Why wouldn't they allow 9/11 discussion when it would bring huge traffic to their site? They are a gov't asset, IMO.

http://www.911tvfakery.net/
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
August 15, 2006: Full Review Rick Rajter
http://911closeup.com/nico/rajter_ny911_fakeryreview.html

Review "9/11TV Fakery Conference" in NYC
presented by St. Mark's Church and ny911truth.org

Rick Rajter, 9/11 Scholar (st911.org)

On August 13th, 2006, I had the privilege of attending my first St. Mark's 9/11 Sunday conference. The talk given on that night was by Nico Haupt on the topic of TV-fakery. I was invited to give a brief 10 minute talk as part of the presentation on my views of the issue as well as the new analysis I'm in the process of writing up. Below is my summary of the event from my perspective.

I decided to make the trip at the very last minute. Nico is not generally known for his ability to effectively organize! But I knew that going into it all. The meeting itself was just like any other — lots of chairs, a projector, and a decent sized audience.

Nico looked a bit nervous before the presentation. Seeing as how he has been sabotaged many times in the past, I can understand his worry about being forced out of time and/or having an accidental technical difficulty. Nonetheless, he seemed to plan for every contingency... even taping down the power cord to make sure his power wouldn't get yanked.

Promised 2 solid hours, Nico didn't even get to start his presentation until 7:20. At first, I was upset because I thought there was going to be a hard 9 PM deadline and I certainly didn't want to have Nico rush things. He obviously has a handicap with his accent and his ability to let his emotions come out, so we had discussed earlier that he should try to talk as slowly and clearly as possible.

I was expecting lots of shouting and lots of interruptions, but after 20 minutes of some very powerful suggestions (that many of the TV shots are either fake and/or manipulated), it seemed that some of the audience members saw the anomalies presented. I have to put a little side not in here. Although I agree there is a flight path discrepancy, there are obviously some cases where Nico fell for what I consider camera position/parallax issues.

Thus, there are times when the angle can fool you into whether the plane should appear diving versus staying even. However, the much more blatant contradictions were also shown and these were so obvious that many people in the audience actually let out gasps and chuckles... but not in a derogatory way.

It was more like the way 911 researchers react when they hear about the latest "Osama" sighting. You laugh because you know the absurdity of the 2 flight paths being identical. They are obviously not even close.

At the end of the presentation, there was a brief Q&A before I was up to talk. Expecting the witness questions and so forth, we actually got some respectful questions and even praise for what looks like a legitimate line of inquiry. But being rushed, we quickly moved on after 3 questions. I briefly took the floor the 5 minutes, just explaining who I was and how I got involved.

I explained how this is not us pulling the wool over the eyes of the audience, but rather it was pulled on us. I gave a brief plug for my upcoming paper in which I will try to accurately map out some of the flight trajectory anomalies in a mathematical fashion by actually tracing the curves by hand. People seemed very interested in this and were actually supportive of this in order to end the discussion for good.

We then had a brief technical problem trying to get Gerard Holmgren on the phone and as a live speaker on the cell phone. Initially, I was hoping that we could have used a video, but Nico's hard drive was completely full. I should have offered use of my laptop, but c'est la vie. Despite some feedback issues (because I stood there holding the damn phone to the microphone), it came over very well.
In fact, one of the first questions AFTER it was discussed was "will we be able to get a copy." I was very encouraged by that because Gerard's speech was very well done and well thought out. He also had to wait patiently by the phone for 2 hours just waiting for us to call him... which we also appreciate.

The Q&A session after this turned a little hostile. One of the first questions was really a statement by a guy that completely attacked the arguments put forth, not by analysis of the vids, but by appeal to witness evidence. Unfortunately, we all know that witness testimony is a difficult path to go down because it always conflicts with itself and the human mind has been known to distort reality. It is even give a name "False Memory Syndrome". This is not to say that the person is lying. They may very well have saw, or may very well BELIEVE they saw something. The problem is, how can we, as researchers who were not even there at the time, make sure these witnesses are authentic?
We can't, because even a lie detector would bring up a false positive if the person truly believes the saw something that didn't exist. The same is also true for people that might has saw something, but adamantly believe it didn't exist.

So we moved on. There was one more guy there that made an emotional plea (and he is a good friend of Nico's, so he was not slandering his character, but making an appeal to marketability). After the meeting ended, we got to chat with the people at the meeting face to face. While I am certainly biased, because I don't know the opinions of people that didn't talk to me, EVERY single person who did come up to me had nothing but compliments on my part of the presentation, and said that I should continue this project to see if we can further nail down the case.

This support that we received was a welcome shock. Considering the amount of harassment we have received from people within the movement over e-mail on in the forums, I was expecting an all our shout fest. For 98% of the presentation and Q&A, we had respectful discourse. EVEN from the people that currently still disagree!

Imagine that. Respectful discussion on a "controversial issue."

Unfortunately, even after shaking many hands and receiving many compliments, I had to take off shortly after to catch the greyhound home to Boston. I don't know what impact was made on that day. Maybe a lot or maybe this will die again. But what I do know, is that there is at the bare minimum, questions about the authenticity of the tapes, which is a step in the right direction in my mind.

And before others begin complaining. We didn't delve too deeply into the "what did hit the WTCs" question, because if our arguments about TV-fakery are correct, then whatever was or was not there is obscured. This means that answering the "what did" question becomes much harder. That is why the talk was on TV-fakery, which is a far easier point to demonstrate.

-Rick Rajter
nomoregames.net
ST911
SPINE
Grad Student - Materials Science and Engineering

http://www.911tvfakery.net/
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
Feedback 9/11 TV Fakery Event plus Holmgren Speech (08/14)
August 14, 2006

Full review collection tomorrow. ~125 visitors watched a 3-part presentation including 2 hours of footage. Here are some voices.

Rick Rajter (9/11 Scholar) was one of the surprise guest speakers of the evening:
"...I think we had a very positive impact and got a lot of
things out. Lots of people were still skeptical, but they were very
supportive of us to continue the research..."

Other voices from the evening:
"impressive presentation" (Jack Gordon)
"Many of the NY911 people looked interested in the material..
getting people to examine TV Fakery should be your priority..." (Inphoman)
"...I knew all this from the beginning...planes would have broken up outside the building..." (Judy Cunningham, 9/11 Scholar)
"...would like to write about this and hear more..." Mikael Vehkaola (finnish journalist)
"...I believe it will be regarded as historic .. a milestone..." (Lynn Ertell)

Also, up now
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/matters.html

WHY IT MATTERS THAT THERE WERE NO PLANE CRASHES ON SEPT 11.
Copyright:Gerard Holmgren. Aug 14 2006.

This is a transcript of a speech which I gave
(by telephone from Sydney)
to the TV Fakery Conference in New York on August 13 2006.

Nico, I believe you are a disinfo artist/agent. I hope you go to prison very soon.

Rick Rajter
nomoregames.net
ST911
SPINE
Grad Student - Materials Science and Engineering

Hey Rickie, you up @ M.I.T.?

Wow, those cartoon planes make an excellent "honey pot" as Mike Ruppert would say.

Get as many people & true facts about 9/11 to stick to the honey pot. Then when the time is right, violently smash the honey pot so that it & everything else stuck to it is also smashed & discredited!!! Do you think we are going to fall for this shit??? You are a fraud!!!

180killer911:

The Sitemap at 911Research.com is a useful resource for quickly locating credible information about the 9-11 attacks.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sitemap.html

He can get as frustrated and angry as he wants. But, by attacking gay people in a not-so-subtle way is something that is just as un-American as everything else he complains about.

More divisiveness is just what the 9/11 truth movement needs.
truthsearching2006 | 08.15.06 - 5:05 pm | #
agreed, i CANT STAND when he gets into social issues. he, sadly like most christians, is under the illusion that homosexuality isnt "normal" and is a sin. i HATE when Alex Jones veers away from his forte, which is 9/11,police state/civil liberties issues etc.

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war." - Israeli Mossad motto

Do you have a reputable source for that?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 08.15.06 - 4:22 pm | #
i cant find a source for that, but i have long heard that this is indeed their motto. its unofficial though(i think), so it might be hard to source.

vetus notus has posted a diary about Paul Craig Roberts' article "Gullible Americans" on DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/15/18658/6127

There is also a poll.

Hey Y'all,

Don't we skew these 9/11 polls we when slam them with our votes? I suppose that any poll showing support for our cause is a good thing, but online polls are natually biased by the unrepresentative nature of online traffic.

In order to have a poll with a statistically relevant result, the polling method must be designed to ensure the least bias and and greatest representation. You don't get that by asking questions of people who come to your website. Or maybe its more appropriate to say that you only get what you control for.

Here's more or less what you actually end up with. A certain number of people who come to the site, are the type of people who take online polls, and most likely have some prior interest in the subject, indicate their opinions. The margin for error is huge for many reasons. For instance, people may be able to vote more than once, or the poll result may be skewed by response to current events.

Not that these polls are useless. They do have something to say about the shifting tide of public opinion. But we now have some solid national polls that make the point loud and clear.

Yes, but don't you think it's best to stick with Alex Jones until after 9/11 is resolved? Then we can feel free to debate gays, lesbians, and anything else we want, with Alex or anyone.

I'm certain that Haupt is disinfo. It's not just the fake planes b.s., but he's bashed some many other real truthers over the years, it's obvious.

SPRINGER POLL

Did George Bush kill 3,000 of his fellow citizens on 9/11 for political gain?
Yes
54% (51 votes)
Not only that, Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster, the moon landings took place in New Mexico and the NSA is living in my shoe
4% (4 votes)
Don't be sarcastic with your answers; the answer is still YES
18% (17 votes)
No; pure and simple, no
23% (22 votes)
Can you come to my house right now? I hear a tapping coming from inside my head
1% (1 vote)
Total votes: 95

http://www.airamerica.com/springer/node/8340

For political gain & monetary gain in invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran...

"Indeed, the entire point of a court jester is to make an ass of the king."

Isn't it to entertain the King and the royal family!?

Yes, but don't you think it's best to stick with Alex Jones until after 9/11 is resolved? Then we can feel free to debate gays, lesbians, and anything else we want, with Alex or anyone.
Anonymous | 08.15.06 - 6:17 pm | #
i never said abandon Alex Jones because of his irrational homophobia and shit, i just find it extremely annoying when he talks about social issues. doesnt mean i wont check and read his site every single day, because i do.

Nico, don't you regret running interference for the neocons being a German National here illegally & all?

I have a little song to help you figure out the error in your ways:

When der Führer says we ist der Master race, We Heil — , Heil —, Right in der Führer's face Not to love the Führer Is a great disgrace, ... ... ...

Long post to follow addressing "sexual psy-ops".
Skip it, if this kind of stuff doesn't interest you....

ya right!

truthsearching2006:

I haven't heard Alex's show with the material you describe. Yet your observations alone beg to be considered.

I don't know exactly what Alex said, but from your own description please allow me to add a few things from the preverbal left field (as in baseball):

Sexual mind games are at, or near, the very top of most manipulations. What I'm about to say, is not an attempt to forward on the public's value judgments or attitudes concerning any morality arguments pro or con as pertaining to homosexuality. Personally, I see homosexuality as a combination of base animal sexuality often heightened by a kind of exploratory fruit that less inhibited people fell free to explore more than others.

It's not for me, but I have no fear or concerns about it. Just so you may understand I say the following without you guessing that I harbor some unspoken bias. Ok?

Sex games, work VERY VERY well when one person wants to control another. Sometimes, these games are even fun and enjoyed by both consenting parties. What you alluded to from Alex's show, does in-fact sound like the psy-op sex games which are assuredly an important corner stone of the over-all 'domination' psy-op.

COMPROMISING a man or a woman, by first luring them into a sexual engagement outside of their natural/personal interests, is a kind of fast-track to begin working them into other activities they would normally have a moral aversion to. Once they have been deeply (mentally) penetrated, violated or "bent", most all otherwise-repugnant acts are considered "petty" by comparison. This can even include a new-found willingness to commit murder.

To prove this has nothing to do with homosexuality per se, understand that a person who considers themselves gay to begin with, can not be "bent" with a gay encounter. It does not offend or embarrass, and can not be used to manipulate the "agent-to-be". For a devout gay man, it may require a heterosexual tryst. Yet in this case, because there is little social stigma to heterosexuality, moral malleability manipulation is still difficult to achieve and probably requires something other than sex. So think of this.... homosexuals, on average are LESS, not more, likely to be manipulated into perpetrating crimes because of sexual embarrassment. Chew on that.

Now, as for your upstanding church-going moral-champion right-wing heterosexual jock, (especially one in the closet) a fall from grace requires very very little. For these hyperhetero-sexed individuals, if they can be compromised with a little circle-jerk "among friends", the guy is going to be mind-fucked almost for sure. At least for a little while before he decides "it an't worth it" and comes clean, at least with himself.

Women ARE a different animal when it comes to sex, and a whole different kind of manipulation needs to (or can) be employed. Power, over a man or men, can be a rather succulent fruit once tasted by a woman in a particular situation. She may get high off it, or she may shed it. I can not speak to this at any great length, for I am a man. However, the sexual rainbow of woman offers MANY other types and styles of control that can be attempted, but for the same reason unpredictable dinamics also enter the field.

Man are by comparison, rather "easy" to control through their dick.

Heterosexual men are often compromised by through their natural (or nurtured) hyper aversion to homosexuality.

So for all the gay bashers out there......

If you don't want to be manipulated by another, one good way to start is by NOT being homo-phobic.

How ironic..... always is.

My point: That this topic comes up while discussing NWO, Illuminate, PNAC, Bush's Gannon, or whatever.... should not be quickly dismissed as "gay bashing" (unless they actually are gay bashing, where than you should just turn it off or leave).... but rather to consider how the discussion my help to understand the truly fucked up way... some people will manipulate others.

P.S. No, I was not sexually abused as a kid. Physically beaten, yes. That's why I will forever question authority. However, I did spend a far amount of time listening and enjoying the gracious and intellectual company of gay men and women who were comfortable in their own skin. I'd recommend it to anyone

Bush/Cheney "won" Ohio on banning gay marrage, for Christ's sake!!!

What's your point, Myers?

Oh, for God's sake, Alex Jones is stepping off the deep end. His show today with guest Alan Watt was eye-opening. He mentions that some men turn to homosexuality because the controllers of the "new world order" are trying to get people to destroy "the family" by making being gay alluring.

truthsearching2006, thanks for the info. That's pretty disconcerting, especially since anyone who is openly gay (or even knows someone who is openly gay) knows for a fact that sexual preference is NOT a choice. The only choice is whether or not you let other people know.

Alex Jones just lost mega-points with this openly gay 9/11 truther. You know, I never liked his approach or style and only recently decided to give him credit, especially with the C-SPAN coverage. But now, I'm going back to what my gut told me in 2003 when I first looked into 9/11 truth. The reputable researchers for me remain: David Ray Griffin, Michael Ruppert, Paul Thompson, Nafeez Ahmed, Michel Chossudovsky, Barrie Zwicker.

I'll entertain what Alex Jones has to say from time to time, but I certainly won't take him very seriously. And, btw, his arguments against Peak Oil are more points against him, IMHO.

Alex Jones is a loose cannon; However, like Chris, I will continue to support him.

My full support goes to Alex! I'll argue with him about gays/lesbians when it is safe to do so.

Rove, Kissenger, Bohemian Grove vacations, Cheney's daughter. The neocons deliberately closet their gays!

Oh, for God's sake, Alex Jones is stepping off the deep end. His show today with guest Alan Watt was eye-opening. He mentions that some men turn to homosexuality because the controllers of the "new world order" are trying to get people to destroy "the family" by making being gay alluring.

Do you have a link to this?

YALL ARE ALL WONDERFUL

A 9/11 Truth smack-down from the OK Corral.

Saddle up boys! Looks like we got some more work to do!

Yeeeeeee Hawwwwwww!!!

And, btw, his arguments against Peak Oil are more points against him, IMHO.
CK | Homepage | 08.15.06 - 6:36 pm | #
not to mention his crackpot views on global warming. Alex Jones is great, i love his site, its easily one of the most important in all of cyberspace in my opinion, but sometimes he makes me crazy. as if every goddamn scientist on the planet is in on the "global warming scam" as Alex Jones says. please.

Erin, interesting analysis about sexual psy-ops. I'd like to know if Alex Jones thinks like you do, or whether he's just a flat-out homophobe (and if he is, he's more likely to be manipulated according to what Erin said above).

Anonymous, I can understand why you'd think this all irrelevant to 9/11 truth -- but, if Alex Jones is to have credibility for me (and presumably other truths, gay and straight), his character and his positions on social issues are going to be factors.

Michael Ruppert got into a lot of controversy when he talked about his approach to the world population problem. Don't ask me for the detail or a link. The point is that when the leaders of the 9/11 truth movement take controversial social positions, there's going to be some backlash.

Chris is right -- Alex Jones (and others) should just stick to 9/11.

The fact is Alex Jones is a Conservative, which means he is someone very narcissistic and rigid and simplistic: loves his country very much, loves people like himself very much (heterosexual...though more narcissism leads to homosexuality), and hardly understands people who are different.
But I prefer to have him against the powers that be.
Big issues with him: he criticizes corporations and idealizes mom and pop capitalism, as if capitalims could be pure and nice, as if perpetual economic war was not linked to 9/11 and perpertual war against terrorism, and perpetual wars for natural resources. He refuses to acknowledge the greenhouse effect, even says that volcanoes' greenhouse gases emissions are far superior to human emissions (the opposite is true, and by much), that he checked everything with scientists (when 99.9% of climatologists disagree with Alex on climate). It makes me wonder about the seriousness of his fact-checking in general; he always brags that everything he says is 100% verified.
But it is true that he works hard, much harder than about anyone else fighting for truth.
I gree with him about Peak Oil being a fraud. So does investigative journalist Greg Palast in his latest book "Armed Madhouse". The age of heavy oil has started, not the end of oil. Venezuela has four times more oil than Saudi Arabia; but it is heavy oil.

thats my hometown ---let them know!!

Peak oil sounds like a Rovian fear tactic to try & justify 9/11.

If Alex can keep us out of NeoCon gulags, we can address these other issues in due time.

The German masses didn't expect to be party to concentration camps either, as far as I know.

The myth of Peak Oil was invented by Shell if i remember correctly, not Rove. But I noticed on forums that some people approve of everything (Iraq, even 9/11 as an inside job) because of Peak Oil.

Anonymous, I can understand why you'd think this all irrelevant to 9/11 truth -- but, if Alex Jones is to have credibility for me (and presumably other truths, gay and straight), his character and his positions on social issues are going to be factors.

Please. Alex could be wrong on gays, yet 100% correct on 9/11.

For Christ's sake, Alex isn't running for President. What the hell are you people blathering about?

yeah, Alex Jones praises Lou Dobbs for his incessent rants about how "illegals aliens are taking over our country". laughable stuff.

Indeed, a video dedicated ONLY to WTC 7 could be a HUGE assett.

It could completely rock-solid. No conjecture. Just facts.

1) The videos themselves

2) The complete ommission from the 9/11 Commission Report

3) The shameful "analysis" by FEMA and NIST

4) The careful conclusions drawn by BYU Physics Prof Steven E. Jones

5) THE TENANTS OF WTC 7

The overall message: IF YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN WTC 7, YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN 9/11

Alex Jones,

I'm sure that at least one of Christ's disciples was gay ( gay men and women are about 10% of the population ) so STFU already about your Gay Bias.

You want to piss me and thousands of other 9/11 activists off and get US on your ass? I think not.

haha, i agree with Chris, i lose track of which Anonymous is which. maybe you could take numbers? like Anonymous1 and Anonymous2? is there more than 2? haha

Indeed, a video dedicated ONLY to WTC 7 could be a HUGE assett.

It could completely rock-solid. No conjecture. Just facts.

1) The videos themselves

2) The complete ommission from the 9/11 Commission Report

3) The shameful "analysis" by FEMA and NIST

4) The careful conclusions drawn by BYU Physics Prof Steven E. Jones

5) THE TENANTS OF WTC 7

I 2nd that. Great idea.

Chris Rose,
Anonymity is something I have struggled with immensely.

It is true that this movement would benefit from everyone standing up and being counted.

It is also true that "coming out" affords you a certain measure of protection in some ways.

However, it is also true that people risk a lot by not being a good little 1930's Nazi.

For now, I am trying to keep my cards close to my vest. Overall strategy dictates that some people keep their "reputations" in tact so they will be more credible when the s@#$ hits the fan.

"Who killed John ONeill?" is also available on emule.
ed2k://|file|Who.Killed.John.ONeill.avi|734206860|05529A36DF859F2BB43AAED464DA03C6|/

Thanks Dave!
Did you know that Guy Debord, like Alex Jones before 9/11, predicted that the Italian government would use terror to stop the huge strikes of 1969? I read that in his correspondance (in french).

Wow.

"Well done people, your direct action in putting Alex's alert out may have just prevented the globalists from being able to pull off a major staged attack in the short term."

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/August2006/150806_b_FOX.htm

who needs a real name why not just make something like bozo or maddog do?

why not "nobody" or "nothingman"?

DHS = my real initials

#8 on the scholar petition

Why WTC7 is more important than How I guess, when you also consider the fact that the records of the joint FBI-CIA investigations about Bin Laden burned inside that building, if I understood correctly what was said in "Who killed John ONeill?".

Hey Anony:

Why not use your "porn name". I think it's the name of your first pet and the name of the street you grew up on as a kid.

For example, mine would be: Charlie Fountainbleau.

Again, just a thought.

Former British Ambassador Says Terror Alert Is "Propaganda"
Indians says group linked to liquid bombers controlled by Pakistan's ISI

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 16 2006

Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray says the alleged transatlantic liquid bomb plot is staged-managed propaganda on behalf of Bush and Blair - who yearn for a "new 9/11" to absolve them of domestic political trouble.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/160806terrorpropaganda.htm

I must disagree Guy,

HOW WTC 7 is the window into the reality of 9/11

I gave 911Blogger a story of my experience promoting and selling the DRG book at local churches. I hope they post it!

I'll think about it C.R.

Regardless, I will contribute what I can to the cause of Peace & Truth.

That's all I can ask Anony. We still love you guy (or gal). Whoever the hell you are.

I gave 911Blogger a story of my experience promoting and selling the DRG book at local churches. I hope they post it!
paul | 08.15.06 - 8:20 pm | #
if they dont, just post a link to it here yourself. sounds interesting, i always like to hear how the uninitiated react to 9/11 truth.

"Thanks Dave!
Did you know that Guy Debord, like Alex Jones before 9/11, predicted that the Italian government would use terror to stop the huge strikes of 1969? I read that in his correspondance (in french)."

I didn't know that. Interesting. The Situationist stuff from May '68 is fuckin' hardcore.

Have you read "The Joy of Revolution"? by Ken Knabb?

Bush hating anti war liberals who laugh at 9/11 activism and wont even ACKNOLWEGE it as anything more than incompetence are no different, perhaps even worse than the Bush lackies. What is wrong with these people? Fuck Cindy Sheehan, they dont even know they are controlled opposition.

And in other news, turns out the Liquid Terror UK plane plot was controlled by Pakistani ISI, infiltrated heavily by MI5. Lovely.

wait. wahts this? pocky screaming about "bush hating liberals that ignore 9/11 truth" out of nowhere again? jesus pocky, this is a new record for you. its been,what, 3 whole days since you last bashed "liberals"? worse than Bush lackies huh? i bet........

Stephen raises a good point about foregrounding the paucity of the FEMA and NIST investigations into the collapses. Most people respond to "controlled demolition" with incredulity, in part because they don't understand that even the government's scientists have not been able to explain the collapses of WTC 1,2,7. Remind people that Fire Engineering called the FEMA investigation a "half-baked farce." Remind people that NIST doesn't have a theory for the collapse of the towers; instead, it produces a "pre-collapse theory," as Steven Jones calls it. That is, the government can't explain the actual collapses. For Building 7, it's even worse.

Remind people of this when they say, "Well, the government looked into that." Yes, it did. And it couldn't explain a damn thing.

pockybot,
You touch on an important point.

9/11 Truth is important to all of us because we hate the evil being perpetrated in the name of 9/11.

I think we should make a conscious effort to mold ourselves as a "peace movement." A lot of people can get on board with peace even if they can't wrap their minds around the Orwellian truth of 9/11.

Make Peace a central tenet of the movement, and more people will get on board with the Truth movement. Especially when they see the WTC 7 videos!

Also, lots a love right back at ya C.R. and 911Blogger.

Sunday Action!

I believe the following form of activism is a very useful tool that we can use to spread the word. Order a bunch of copies of the new David Ray Griffin book: Christian Faith and Truth Behind 9/11. On Amazon they are currently going for $11.67, with no shipping cost on a over $25 purchase - so buy at least 3 copies. Decide on some churches to sell the books at. For each church you plan on visiting, find out when the service is over. Wait as far away from the church as possible where you are still at a place where everyone will be exiting and will pass you by. As people walk by, be as less aggressive as possible. I would recommend simply holding the book up for them to see, and if they are curious they will talk to you. I did this today at only 2 churches and was able to actually sell 1 book! Bring a copy of this press release for people to take a look at if they seem interested:
(Also the new Metro Santa Cruz article mentioned in this post would be great). Make sure to sell at face value or even for a bit less. Bring your receipt from Amazon in case you have to convince people you are not trying to scam them or make a profit. When they ask what the book is about, I recommend staying away from 9/11 (at least at first), and just say this is written by a Christian theologian for Christians, to allow you to gain insight into current world war events, and it can also be used as a guiding tool when deciding on how you as a Christian should react and respond to these events. You can also mention it is published by the Presbyterian Publishing Corporation, which will really help you at Presbyterian churches. Christians who are of genuine good nature will eat this stuff up, and they will have plenty of friends of faith who will be willing to listen to them and their newfound message. As someone who grew up going to Christian churches myself, I can tell you that Christians are going to be the first people to jump at the chance to better themselves and the world they live in.

A word of caution: I encountered a few higher-ups who did not want me soliciting on their church property. If possible, find churches where you can stand off the property, but still within reach of the passing crowd (between the church and peoples vehicles). If you must be on the property and encounter a problem, just say you are not making money off this and you are doing it for the benefit of Christians and the Church. If this is not enough, say you were only planning to do this once. One person politely told me I could finish what I was doing today, but not to come back next week. Alternatively, you may contact the church beforehand for permission, but there is no guarantee you will get it.

The link did not post, let me try again-

http://www.religionnews.com/press02/PR080506.html

Good work paul.

Two good activism goals might be:

1) Get free copies to every pastor/priest/rabbi, etc... we can.

2) Get free copies of WTC 7 collapses to every engineer/engineering professor, etc... we can.

*1) copies of DRG

"#8 on the scholar petition"

#36 on the Spitzer petition.

Indeed, a video dedicated ONLY to WTC 7 could be a HUGE assett.

It could completely rock-solid. No conjecture. Just facts.

1) The videos themselves

2) The complete ommission from the 9/11 Commission Report

3) The shameful "analysis" by FEMA and NIST

4) The careful conclusions drawn by BYU Physics Prof Steven E. Jones

5) THE TENANTS OF WTC 7

This is a great idea. Don't forget Silverstein on PBS, of course. Also you could list about a million documentaries that have aired on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, etc. that "explain" WTC1 and 2 but don't even mention 7.

"9/11 Truth is important to all of us because we hate the evil being perpetrated in the name of 9/11."

nice one, anon.

*nice one, anon.

Vesa , if you can direct me to downloads of some of the video you listed above , I would be happy to make a video solely about WT7.

Colin,
Here are some links from Prof Jones' paper:

Now that you have seen the still photographs, it is important to the discussion which follows for you to observe video clips of the collapse of this building, so go to:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html Click on the three photos at the top of this web-site page in order to see the videos of the collapse of WTC 7. It helps to have sound.

Then consider a video close-up of the same building, SW corner, as this corner begins its steady drop to the ground:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibs_along_southwest_corn...

New, side-by-side comparison of WTC7 collapse and a controlled demolition using explosives: http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/Italiandebateshow-WTC7.wmv (backup: http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=113 ).

===CBS 60 Minutes recently did a segment that Alberta, Canada has enough oil embedded in their sands/gravel that could sustain North America for the next hundred years. Now that oil prices are high, it is feasible to extract this oil, and the are doing so.====

The Peak Oilers (eg http://www.peakoil.net )believe that in addition to the environmental damage caused by processing oil sands into oil, the oil from the Alberta oil sands will not be able to come on stream in sufficient quantity to offset the declines in conventional oil production after peak (no matter how much money is thrown at it). Also the Energy Returned on Energy invested (EROEI) will be significantly lower for oil sands oil (it takes more energy to produce oil sands oil than to produce a comparable quantity of conventional crude, and in a post peak world of declining energy supplies this will just add to the difficulty of using oil sands oil to replace conventional oil production.

More on this here:
http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2004/10/tar-baby-oil-sands-and-peak...

BTW, Thomas Kean is being billed as coming up on Hannity and Colmes on FOX