lots of fun

Associating enemies with evil is what the fundamentalists do best. Try not to take it too personally. While the movement must defend itself against such attacks, we must also have a certain fortitude against the range of attacks that will be used to discredit our purpose. Most of their attacks have as little foundation as the 'offical story' upon which they are basing their pseudo-rightious indignation. Let's try to simply respond by asserting the facts, and keep as level a head as possible. We mustn't be baited into frustration.

I think they are afraid the "Conspiracy Theories" are opening peoples eyes!!!!

The Olbermann segment is removed from YouTube now . . . ( violates terms of use etc. )

Olbermann is the only talking head on cable news thats worth a damn. its ashame they force him to devote half of his show to celebs every night. i guess you cant give a guy like him a full hour to do real news, that would be "dangerous".

Was there really a third plane circling the Trade Center on 9/11. If so, what was it?

http://www.911tvfakery.net
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
Jerry Springer argues logically against Planehugging (08/16)
-The Grandfather of Fake Reality TV should know :)

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/fetzer/fetzer-springer-8-15-2006.mp3

Though Jerry Springer supported the official story,
he questioned the logic of the 'planes' in regarding
of the controlled demolition.
Springer talked with 9/11 Scholar Jim Fetzer, who believes that a remote controlled aircraft hit the South Tower.

Jerry Springer (13:47)
"...I'm trying to go on basic logic...
Let's say the government put all the explosives inside the building...
Why would they need the planes?
...Why did they have to add the airplanes to do that?...
That would make it a lot more complicated...
You can ground the planes..."

Jim Fetzer:
"...Maybe they needed a help in the planning?
It was a psychological operation..."

What does anybody think about the calls released?

Do you think they ommitted ANY(and every) call that was related to "Bombs" being heard going off AFTER the planes hit and BEFORE the towers collapsed?

Yes, and calls of people in the towers saying on the phone that they were hearing bombs going off!

I still can not understand why any "low-level" city/government/federal worker who seen anything, even REMOTELY questionable on or after 9/11 wouldnt come up and say something.

e.g.:
911 Call Dispatchers hearing people complain about bombs minutes berore their death and not say anything

Any FEMA or NIST employee noticing very "shady" investigation practices or ommission, when compared to normal standards

This is the only question people ask me and I can not give a straight answer to

Fetzer is a no-planer?

Jeez, that's discouraging.

on a related note, how many of you here have Zwickers new book? there is a photo in there of the basment of one of the towers before the collapse and it is so painfully obvious that a bomb went off, its an amazing picture. why havent i seen this photo before? its the most convincing photo ive seen yet. does anyone know what photo im talking about?

Wow, I just heard some of the newly released WTC tapes, and they are extremely sad. The one in which the woman tells the operator she knows she's going to die is so sorrowful. The operator tells her to "say your prayers."

Also, they edited a number of them, so you can only here the person the victim is talking to, and not the victim him/her self. hmmmm.......

Fetzer is a no-planer?

Jeez, that's discouraging.
kevin | 08.16.06 - 12:24 pm | #
says who? ive never heard him endorse that. Nico is trying to tie Jerry Springer to the "no planes" theory as well, hahaha.

Nico, you're like a boken record.

we also "completely abhor and denounce violence of any kind against innocent people."

Not to nit-pick here, but the problem with that statement is the word "innocent." One man's innocent is another man's guilty, if you know what I mean. I think we should be abhoring violence PERIOD, even against proven terrorists -- yeah, call me a pacifist, but there are other ways of dealing with criminals other than becoming criminals ourselves.

Pacifist. ;-)

TODAY on MSNBC on their story of the tapes being released they used a new audio file that had amazing content. It was a crackly radio dispatch voice, maybe NYFD talking -
"I just heard another explosion. It must be terror(ist) attack."

key word is "another"
I wrote the quote down as soon as I heard it.
This was on MSNBC at 1:12 EST.

9/11 Bloglines (08/15)
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001

Onderzoek911.nl: Protec/ Implosionworld -new Report against CD
Kevin Barrett Runs His Yap for Medved
WorldNet daily: "9/11 Bush Bashers"
AP- 9/11 Tapes: "One Of The Towers Just Collapsed"
Eco Critic Valenzuela hugs planes regarding WTC 7 controlled demolition
Saturday Night Live Horatio Sans actor aware of 9/11 truth
realclearpolitics.com: Debunking Tarted Up Horror Tales
Jerry Springer argues logically against 9/11 Planehugging (08/16)
Loose Change on Charles Goyette
Was 9/11 a conspiracy? - The Sun
New 911Tapes: Tower Witness Reports all censored
Chris Bollyn arrested and apparently beaten
Richard Andrew Grove to appear on Meria Heller
William Rodriguez to act as Telemundo 9/11 Expert
Holmgren: The Logic of No-Planes

You can go digg this:
http://digg.com/world_news/British_detain_another_suspect_in_plot
It is on the front page. You can vote for the best comments, like mines, which are copies of prisonplanet.com articles:
Former British Ambassador Says Terror Alert Is "Propaganda"
Indians says group linked to liquid bombers controlled by Pakistan's ISI
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/160806terrorpropaganda.htm

and

Olbermann Exposes Nexus Of Politics And Terror
Details ten clear examples where Bush admin. alerts preceded by damaging revelations
(***includes the video censored by youtube and google***)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/150806thenexus.htm

For someone schooled in critical thinking and logic etc. etc. - Fetzer is totally incapable of presenting a convincing argument at all. There really is nothing more to prove when a so-called Professor is incapable of mopping the floor with the likes of Jerry Springer. Having said that, his closing statement was very impressive and he should've been hammering with that logic right from the start. However, in the end he's blown it many times before, Fetzer has got to go as the front man for ST911 IMO.

cmon everybody knows that fetzer is a shill...

he used to get paid to lose arguments about the kennedy assassination

now he gets paid to lose arguments about the 911hoax

____________________--
just joking--jeez

nip all this stuff in the bud

"Was there really a third plane circling the Trade Center on 9/11?"

I'd say "no". I was taken in by the "Flying Elephant" article at first, but then read some critiques of it. Here's one:

http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/thirdjet.doc

The Flying Elephant article seems to be based on terribly poor evidence. I now think the "third plane" is just a plane seen to be flying to a nearby airport. If a plane had really *circled* close to the towers after the North Tower hit, wouldn't it have been captured on several photos and videos?

It may even be that the purpose of the article is to present the scholars in a bad light. I think it should be removed from the site. I'd appreciate if some of you also familiarized yourself with the counterevidence linked above and wrote about your conclusions.

Who would be the scholar(s) to whom to voice one's concerns about the article?

ANOTHER COMMENT BLOG STATED THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS SITE...

I HAVE NOTICED THIS SITE HAS BEEN REAL SLOW, AND ALL MY OTHERS!

I REMEMBER A WINDOWS UPDATE A FEW DAYS AGO THAT LOOKED A LITTLE STRANGE.

ANY POSSIBILITY IT COULD BE "BIG BROTHER" WATCHING THOSE THAT VISIT/POST ON THIS SITE?

MAYBE BECAUSE OF ONE OF MY SITES?

WWW.487PTOWN.COM?

MONITORING US ON THE PRETEXT OF 9/11?

AS STATED BEFORE...

I and those who visit 911blogger.com completely abhor and denounce violence of any kind against any people!

Ronnied
www.487ptown.com

"Who would be the scholar(s) to whom to voice one's concerns about the article?
Vesa | 08.16.06 - 4:10 pm | # "

Fetzer. And he won't do what you ask. After all, he very strongly resembles an agent of destruction.

"Who would be the scholar(s) to whom to voice one's concerns about the article?
Vesa | 08.16.06 - 4:10 pm | #

Fetzer. And he won't do what you ask. After all, he very strongly resembles an agent of destruction."

Er, perhaps I'll write to Griffin... if I can find his email address...

Anybody who downloads a 'windows fix' recommended by Homeland Security has 'gots' to be nuts.....

Luckily, I use a Mac...