Hallelujah!

Nico's pursuit of demonstrating TVfakery via the images of 9.11, may seem so outlandishly difficult to many of us, that he unfortunately earns, unearned derision. In my opinion.

The material coming out of the TeeVee IS predominately fake. By measures of degree, the words, images, concepts and melodrama combine to form a powerful conscience-molding media.

Because it is so effective, is it any surprise that control of it would be consolidated in an emergent fascist state?

I'm using the definition of fascism which describes a love-knot between the profit interests of influential corporate person-hood, intertwined with the "legal" manipulations and protections offered by The State. Dick-taters, ty-rants and all other kinds of malevolent authoritarians always seem like suck-ups and brown-noses under the clever business-man. They ultimately need each other, without which, either would suffer from shear impotence. A marriage made in hell.

There is such a thing as a benevolent anarchist, but that animal seems to be as illusively rare as the benevolent authoritarian.

I would posit that these animals far out-number the malevolent versions of either, but because benevolence equates to enlightenment, she has learned to camouflage herself from the jealous rage of malevolent destruction.

At least that's what I think.....

Nico may be wrong with his facts and/or ability to expose the overriding fakery of TeeVee..... but in his defense, I do not hear malevolence in his voice. He may be shill-a-fide.... but if his heart is in the wrong place.... I can't see it, yet.

Planes hit the towers. I was there. The first plane flew right past my office on the 44th floor of Central Park South.

This has nothing to do with TeeVee.

john, you saw the first plane???

Paul Craig Roberts' article yesterday is posted over at ICH and there's a lot of activity in the comments section -- overwhelmingly in favor of 9/11 truth.

AND, PCR himself is adding additional comments. The last one, just posted a few minutes ago, goes as follows:

Additional remarks from Paul Craig Roberts:
Scientists have pointed out to me that there are several incontrovertible scientific facts to disprove the official explanation of the WTC collapses. For example, they point to calculations that have determined that the buildings did not contain sufficient gravitational energy to pulverize concrete into find dust. I know this. I did not mention it because there is no hope that a public, reporters, editors, and web site operators can comprehend this point when they cannot comprehend the simple fact that pancaking, which requires the use of energy to overcome resistance, cannot cause a building to collapse in free fall time. People who cannot comprehend this basic, non-controversiblel, incontrovertible scientific fact have no hope of comprehending the limits of gravitational energy. Therefore, if we are to have any success in re-opening the investigation, we must stick to the one point that is indisputable and which there is some possibility that the scientifically illiterate American public and media might possibly be able to comprehend. As the only known way buildings can collapse in free fall time is through engineered demolition, a reopening on this basis of the 9/11 investigation will expose all the rest of the false accounts of events on that day. There are so many who are jamming the Internet with detailed accounts of conspiracies that I believe many of them must be government cover-up agents. In place of explanations of what really happened, pick one or two incontrovertible facts that the public has some prospect of comprehending, and stick to them. Nothing else has any chance of working.
For example, in the case of the Kennedy assassination, if a few marksmen, say national or world champions, had simply stepped forward and said that the shots attributed to Oswald are outside human capability, the official coverup story would possibly have collapsed. Instead, detailed alternative explanations were offered, which confused the public and obscured the issue.
paul Roberts | 08.17.06 - 8:43 am | #

And, my reply:

Dr. Roberts, Thank you for these additional postings. I like your approach to pick one or two incontrovertible scientific facts and argue for a new investigation based on those.... and THEN let the rest of the house of cards fall. It would be our own controlled demolition of the Official Version of 9/11.
CK | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 8:54 am | #

I think he's onto something there, even though I know there are quite a few 9/11 researchers (Michael Ruppert, specifically) who feel that physical evidence is a mistake. On the other hand, this particular physical evidence is such a brazen lie that has now been proven false by Steven Jones and his research team, that I believe PCR's idea should be considered seriously.

Erin: Agreed. Nico does accept an awful lot of unwarranted criticism. There is way too much attacking the messenger here.

Anyway, Dr. Fetzer is on with Dr. Barrett in 4 minutes on http://www.rbnlive.com/listen.html

-slaqqer

A new hit piece from World Net Daily;
9/11 Bush bashers
Posted: August 16, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jonathon Moseley
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540

this is an older piece, but very good:

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and 9/11:
A Scandal Beyond What Has Been Seen Before
Matt Everett
The Journal of Psychohistory, Winter 2005, 32 (3): 202-238

http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/bcr911.htm

OT:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060816...

Any comments about Paul Craig Roberts' idea of concentrating on controlled demolition?

Could the 9/11 truth movement ever reach consensus on this?

I do think he's correct in suggesting that we need to hammer away at this one fact alone, in order to demand a new investigation -- and then the rest of the truth will follow.
CK | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 12:22 pm | #
WTC7 is the painfully obvious weak link. PCR is right on the money.

I've received emails from Paul Craig Roberts. I should start to pump him to participate in 9/11 events.

to an earlier question:

i saw both planes. it was my personal experience of that day - and the extreme trauma my wife and i experienced - that led me to this movement.

since the first plane was flying so low - and right past our office - everyone was a little freaked out. it was VERY loud and sounded like we were going to be hit.

we all watched from the panoramic windows as the plane flew past Rockefeller Center (again looking like it would strike the main building).

it looked like it was in serious trouble - with the wings dipping and the plane rocking and unsteady.

my thought was that (since it was headed south) it was trying to reach LaGuardia for an emergency landing.

all eyes were on the plane as it hit the tower in the distance.

15 minutes later we watched the 2nd plane make a very slow eliptical turn into the 2nd tower. people panicked (now realizing that planes were intentionally hitting buildings) and ran for the exits.

i managed somehow to catch a bus downtown to my wife. i was on my cellphone with her as the 1st tower collapsed. she was hysterical crying.

when i reached her we went to an ATM and pulled hundreds of dollars - fearing a breakdown in the system. when we got back onto the street we watched the 2nd tower collapse.

everyone in the streets was WAILING and balling their eyes out.

in the weeks the followed every little sound made us jump out of our skin. we could not watch Band of Brothers that was running on HBO because the sound effects were too harsh. My wife ended up in the hospital 3 times and attempted suicide.

i will not rest until the people responsible for 9/11 are held accountable. period.

Nico Haupt is an enemy of the truth. Period. i do not care how or why. i do not care if he is stupid - or a shill. He sells disinformation - and in this sense shits all over the victims of 9/11.
John Albanese | 08.17.06 - 12:52 pm | #

^ That's a harrowing story John. And I can't agree more about dipsh!ts like Nico. I personally find it confusing and frankly insulting that people could even consider that no planes hit the buildings, it just baffles me. Putting aside Nico's "research", these fake videos that have had frames removed to look like the planes hit after the explosions etc. These videos are sickening to me, people are dying in that footage and some scumfucker goes and manipulates it? It's beyond outrageous, its on the same level as the monsters who carried it out, the total lack of compassion proves these people aren’t really part of the Truth Movement. 911 sceptics aren’t “Conspiracy Theorists”, their normal people who would probably be in the anti-war circles. But are instead ahead of the game in comparison to the anti-war movement, who will eventually catch up and be the “anti-war 911-truth movement”. So “no planers” can take their bullshit and go and be “Conspiracy Theorists” along with the “lizard men” the “UFOs” and “The Jews” someplace else! It’s not part of what I recognise 911-Truth to be at least, it’s about as 911-Truth as a Popular Mechanics hit piece.

Nico:

On it's face, the simple hypothesis of CGI (I'll use the acronym for Computer Graphics Insertion), will always boil down to a very long chain of evidence composed of ones and zeros.... gad-bi-coco-zillions of them. Lots of places to argue FOR insertion, AND failure [of the chain].

For the very same reason I distrust electronic voting, I CAN accept the do-able tricks with CGI..... but it's this extraordinary chain of evidence where both are lost [intentionally?] on MOST people. 99% of the population, including lots of comp geeks.... just can't get their head around how sophisticated (and fast) storage and processing has become.

What you've argued is NOT beyond possibility, but unfortunately (again, intentionally?) BEYOND current comprehension for MOST people who are clearly comfortable with electronic voting (because they have nothing more than "faith").

I wish you the best of luck, Lord knows electronic voting needs to be smashed as if it were the Devil's own cock, but the pieces you hoist up as evidence, are likewise brought back down with the very same arguments.

It's not the existence of TV Fakery you have to prove to ME, I've said I think it's there... in tens of millions of color shades. But there are a lot of people STILL who really only see in B+W.

Don't try and prove WHO killed Kennedy or exactly HOW, just prove Lee couldn't have done it alone.

If you want to prove something, I'd like to see "faith" in electronics SMASHED! It's just a damn monkeys'-tool. I'll even get you a calculator that shows 2+2 equals 5. (you know, the kind used by the Federal Reserve)

Your project IS a honey pot.... It makes no difference if that's by your own personal oversight, the Gov's design, or by it very nature to begin with. It just IS.

I don't have any ill-will towards ya, man..... I just can't see you're project as worthy of all the divisiveness it causes if you really do want to save the planet. And I do think the planet might very-well be at stake. No?

I admit to not reading much of your stuff, not my kind of buffet.... However, can you offer a selection or two about your considerations in a common law sense of Chain Of Evidence?

If you have, I'd like to read it. I'll use it against electronic voting scams, if you don't mind.

Otherwise, I'm going to completely re-shuffle you around on my list of things and people to consider.

The short-comings in John's film are vastly easier to challenge, fix, overcome, and/or genuinely apologize for. You must be able to see, that you're not in the same boat. Right? If you're really a shill, like people keep saying, I doubt you will be able to offer this examination any real time.

Derived from a previous comment board:

Nico did some good early investigating and is cited by people like Web Tarpley for his early 9/11 truth work. But I think he's slipped too far down the rabbit hole. I almost did too, I'll admit. But in looking at all the evidence, I believe this tv fakery/no planes avenue is a big mistake.

I want to give Nico props for his early research, but I think he should move on to other avenues of research. Nico damages his credibility and the credibility of the 9/11 movement in general with his posts. Calling people "truthlings" with an air of superiority, as if he's a master Jedi and everyone else is a flailing apprentice, does nothing for his position.

What if Nico turned his investigative powers to finding and following evidence to the criminals? He's in NYC, right? If I were in NYC, I would be digging through city and state files and making public records requests to find out the following: What company was in charge of security at the WTC towers before and during 9/11, and who were all of the employees? Who was on duty from the Port Authority in the month prior to and on 9/11? Was a permit issued for the "cable work" being done in the twin towers that necessitated the power downs? If so, who or what company was the permit issued to? If not, shouldn't there have been one? What company was doing the "cable work" in the twin towers that caused the power downs, and what were the names of every employee in that company? What were the names of those who accessed the twin towers for that work? They must've had at least temporary security badges - are their photos on file? Who admitted them to the buildings? Can you compile a witness list and full statements from all those who saw the people doing this work?

I'm sure Nico and other 9/11 truthers in NYC could start with those questions and dig up solid information to seek out those who actually took part in the 9/11 crime. When you do that the criminals may feel the pressure, and when that happens it's likely the rats will start jumping the ship.

We know three skyscrapers came down on 9/11 with explosives. Let's find those responsible for carrying out the crime, and that'll enable us to work our way up the chain of command.

Well either Nico is a paid shill, or he simply went insane...as Alex Jones said, yesterday, the no planers are try ing to be "avant agarde" and ru in the movement.

Not ONE sane person can sit there and think there was no planes. There was two large planes that hit.

And it's sad to see Jimmy Walker and Morgan Reynolds and Rick Siegel fall for this...and now my newest hero Richard Andrew Grove is starting to say no planes at the wtc crap.

So thanks Nico. I guess the towers were cgi too?

Nico and Eric Husfhmind should do abook on why there was "no planes, and no holocaust!"

Why does dz ban anyone opposed to 9/11 truth on here,but allow idiots to spread their no plane disinfo? Seriously. I rather here a thousand Mia, S King, Terrence, "conspiracy smasher" blogs than ONE sentence from the fucking no planers.

I GUARANTEE YOU folks next they will start saying the deaths reported on 9/11 were exaggerated.