The CBC Bashes the Scholars

A call to all Canadians and Americans alike:

Listen to the CBC call the scholars "not credible" on the radio show "The Current":
http://www.stoplying.ca/media/CBCcurrent.mp3

Then, hammer the CBC with the truth! Here is their Contact Page:
http://www.cbc.ca/contact/index.jsp

Thanks to stoplying.ca for sending this in.

Annoying

The know-it-all guest on this show hardly adressed any of the evidence.

What a waste of time!

I was very impressed with Law Professor Mark Fenster's interview. Just what we need. The opinion of a Law Professor who has written a book on conspiracy theories to address this subject. All of my questions regarding 9/11 have now been fully answered. <sarcasm off>

I wrote a very long email to CBC asking them if this interview was intended to be joke. Then I asked them to address about 25 unanswered questions. re: 9/11.

Way to go Cincy...

I don't even want to listen to that interview. CBC set the stage the day before the show by lumping us "conspiracy theorists" in with Elvis deniers and alien believers.

One day we can hope you see

One day we can hope you see that you really are no different than alien believers. You refuse to actually think for yourselves but rather follow a Pied Piper.

Non-Scholars for 9/11 Bunk

What is clearly evident to skeptics is just how much 9/11 conspiracy believers like people here are victims of their own prejudice and ignorance. This has blinded you so much that you are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

Those of us who know better know full well that Jones and Fetzer are intenionally lying about 9/11. They are both intelligent enough to know that what they claim is pure bunk and wholly false. But they also know that they have a ready and willing crowd of "believers", you guys, who are more than willing to suspende crticial thinking to achieve the same political ends Jones, Fetzer and all 9/11 conpiracy buffs want to achieve.

CBC is right on in showing Scholars for 9/11 Truth for the liars they are. One day you'll all wake up to the facts and exclaim in unison, "Holy crap! We've been used by Fetzer and Jones!"

Jackass

Obviously you are an idiot shill.
The evidence for 9/11 being an inside job is overwhelming and irrefutable.
Anyone that can look at the video of those 3 buildings collapsing at close to freefall speed and not see that they were clearly brought down by controlled demolition is blind idiot suffering from severe cognitive dissonance.
Add in all the other inconsistencies, the obvious LIES told by the Bush administration in order to cover up the crime etc and what you have is a cut & dry case that in fact the US government was complicit.

Don't be ridiculous

There is no such evidence and everyone who knows something about the subject matter knows that neither the way the towers fell nor any evidence shows controlled demolition. People like you who just go around making absolutely baseless claims without thnking is really very stupid.

You're just proving what I wrote. You don't know what you are talking about

says you are a shill

the evidence is irrefutable. those with a brain and independent thinking skills know the truth. so bugger off, shill.

Idiot

You should be the one buggering off, denier.

And where is your proof for these accusations?

Dear Anonymous, (Why are all of these 'shills' always 'anonymous'?

So, we have more people who only make comments of derision... never based on facts. I find this very interesting. Perhaps you'd like to explain the following comments made by Bill Manning, Editor of Fire Engineering Magazine regarding the so-called WTC collapse investigation'...

Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.

As things now stand and if they continue in such fashion, the investigation into the World Trade Center fire and collapse will amount to paper- and computer-generated hypotheticals.

However, respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Rather, theory has it, the subsequent contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in an alarmingly short time. Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory.

Source: http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225

If you would like to discuss the 'merits' of your argument, this is an excellent forum to do so. The floor is yours (so to speak). Let's hear your reasons for your comments.

One other comment... BYU Professor Stephen Jones has tested two different samples from the WTC debris and found in the "molten metal" traces of 'thermate'. (An incendiary used for cutting through steel)

Wrong again

Jones has not found any such thing. He only has "claimed" to and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that Jones failed to find several components necessary for Thermite and Thermate to be used as a tool for demolition. Now if you don't know this, we have to wonder why. We have to wonder why you would follow nonsense from non-experts like sheep.

Then show me some sources!

Once again you make these statements yet not provide any sources for us to examine these claims. I'm very interested in your accusations. Show me scientific research, show me sources that refute Stephen Jones so we may check them out.

I also noticed how you made no mention of Bill Manning's article in Fire Engineering Magazine. Hmmm.......

These 9/11 Truth sites will help you

I pointed out to the owner of this blog the lack of links to real 9/11 Truth sites. Here they are:

http://911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.jod911.com
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
http://wtc.nist.gov
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

It's important for your readers to understand the real world of truth and facts exists outside of the fortified walls of this blog.

This show was absolute

This show was absolute garbage. Another example of our biased media reporting. This was absolutely disgusting for a Canadian broadcast.
In 9 days 7 Canadian soldiers have died and if it is over the lies told by our government and the US government and this show is helping to contribute the brainwashing that is going on by the media.
How many more Canadians have to die for no reason before you start waking up people to what is really going on.
Try reporting the unbiased truth. There is too much proof now that it is no longer just a conspiracy theory.

I'm an idiot

What is clearly evident to skeptics is just how much 9/11 official theory believers like me are victims of my own prejudice and ignorance. This has blinded me so much that I am incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

Those of you who know better know full well that Jones and Fetzer are exposing the truth about 9/11. They are both intelligent enough to know that what they claim is pure fact and wholly verifiable. But they also know that they have a ready and willing crowd of "shills," like me, who are more than willing to suspend critical thinking to disrupt the noble political ends Jones, Fetzer and all 9/11 truth crusaders want to achieve.

CBC is way off in showing Scholars for 9/11 Truth for the liars they are. One day I'll wake up to the facts and exclaim all alone, "Holy crap! Why didn't I listen to Fetzer and Jones!"

Willful blindness

It's too bad that so many people willfully like to be conned by Fetzer and Jones.

What have you "debunked"?

What kind of poo are you chatting? You come here and make pronouncements about "this persons a liar" "this isn’t true" etc, but what have you debunked? What have you resolved? I can guarantee that if the questions the truth movement are asking were answered sufficiently;

THE TOP 40

REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

Then there would'nt be much debate. The fact is they HAVE'NT been answered. And the shit you typed to any uniformed impartial reader might be understood as if all these concerns had been answered. So you plainly are an “idiot”, as you confessed to a few posts up lol!

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This struggle to expose the truth is like David and Goliath… but who won that muthafu*ka?

Why are you focused on

Why are you focused on Fetzer an Jones? I would venture to say that most of the individuals on this board were involved with the 9/11 truth movement long before Jones and Fetzer went public. This is not some new phenomena. There were many individuals who began to question the "official" account put forth by the government in the days and weeks after 9/11. I accepted the "official" account to a large degree until the spring of 2004. After reviewing materials from all sides of the spectrum, it became clear that a six-year old could see that there was something very wrong with what we were being fed by both the governement and mainstream media. As a result, I will continue to seek the truth no matter how difficult it may be. I suggest you do the same.

Fatcs and evidence

Rather than focusing on strawman, "occicial story", 9/11 conspiracists refuse to focus on the overwhelming evidence of 9/11 which refutes claims of demolition and inside jobs.

Fetzer and Jones are prominent liars which none of you seem to understand.

Nice

 ^Hahaha, quality!! 

 

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This struggle to expose the truth is like David and Goliath… but who won that muthafu*ka?

To shills and Power sycophants:

Hear here, Cincy.

Do tell us O Mighty Anonymoussusussses. The cognitive dissonance is yours, unless you blog away on how exactly I'm being "used". To what gain exactly? I would rather be making babies and enjoying the planet. Instead, we've got a sick pack of war-mongers running things, and you're here running interference.

"If I wrong, I'm just crazy. I'f I'm right, it's worse than if I'm crazy." (Stepford Wives)

What are you going to do? Put all us crazies in camps? 100 million truth-ers will make an awful lot of difficulty for you Patriot Homeland Heros to manage.

What's you sick plan for that? Get some more complacency pills into the school kids? Watch and see how well they produce for The State then. (what am I saying? They can't produce shit now.) Conscription? Fuck you. Poison the water? You gata drink it too, eventually. Yammer on about some Bird Flu? Dumb ass. Blow-up the atmosphere? You're are tard-o.

Get with it, shill: The gig is just about up, and unless you blow-up the world.... the world is gonna get you. Your best hope is surrender, forgiveness reaches a long long way. (Not saying you might not have to break rocks for awhile... just saying.)

Shills

Nice reply Erin, I couldn't have said it better myself. I for one would much rather spend my last few years on Earth enjoying my wife and children. Instead I am stuck fighting these neocon bastards and their big money backers so my kids won't have too. Have I told you lately how much I hate these people?

RE: Non-Scholars for 9/11 Bunk

First of all, the fact that you visit this site and post here, indicates that you feel somewhat threatened by what is being discussed here. Secondly, having spent many years in academia as both a professor and student, I know that no professional academic would risk their career and reputation unless they firmly believe in the validity of the information they are presenting.

The fact that I am here

The fact that I am here is that I care about your ignorance of the facts and feel the necessity to teach people how to learn to think.

One thing about this site is its desire not to discuss that which it does not like. Just look at the links to the left. There is not one site listed that has the truth about 9/11. They have all been deliberately left out. Instead, there are nothing but 9/11 conspiracy sites all of which have been irrefutably debunked.

A could place to start to come out of the fog and learn about the truth is http://www.911myths.com.

And, I repeat what is well known: Jones and Fetzer know full well they are deliberately lying about 9/11.

I would recomend you read

I would recomend you read the arguments on 9/11myths.com and other debunking sites more closely....

911myths.com......you must be joking

The story........

Our take.........

Give me a break!

....and who exactly are these individuals who are the "our"?

Ah yes, 911myths.com. Let's talk a little about that site. First of all it is laughable in it's over simplification. Secondly, there is no indication about who runs that website, who authored it, nor how to contact them. A little suspect, don't you think?

Furthermore, upon some investigation, you will find that it is registered through a site, DomainsByProxy.com. This also gives no indication to who runs the site nor any way to contact them. Hmmmmmmm?

You can go to a website called www.allwhois.com that gives info about who owns a domain name. Here is what I found:

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: www.dynonames.com
Domain Name: 911MYTHS.COM
Created on: 13-Jan-05
Expires on: 13-Jan-07
Last Updated on: 01-Dec-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration 911MYTHS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration 911MYTHS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
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United States
(480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
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More fallacies

9/11 Mytrhs completely debunks the fiction of your 9/11 conspiracies. That is why you have to enage in ad hominen fallacy rather than with the facts you can't deal with.

911myths.com......7th grade research.

911myths.com fails on all levels.

LOL - thanks for the humour!

It fails to support all levels of your bizaree and puerile 9/11 conspiracy theories, that's for sure!

I think this site shouldn't

I think this site shouldn't allow comments from unregistered users. Then again some probably like the anonymity...

i don't need Jones or Fetzer

i don't need Jones or Fetzer to help me see the obvious problems with 9/11.. try actually debating the facts, moron.

DUDE!!! Anonymous you are on

DUDE!!! Anonymous you are on the right track. Fetzer and Jones ARE using us. The worst part is that 9/11 was an inside job on top of that. Honestly people, I would look out for those people supporting the scholars as "shills" or "agents".

Original CBC interview

CBC interviewed me on 2 August for broadcast on 4 August, which was postponed because of the new "terrorist" (liquid bomb) threat. I was told it might be rescheduled for the 10th, but instead they found someone with a vaguely similar name on the other side. I suggest you barrage them with requests to play the original interview with me, complete and unedited. It was more intellectual than most and of more than passing interest.

CBC News is doing their listeners a great disservice by

automatically labeling all arguments against the official 9/11 story as conspiracy theory.

The real conspiracy is the junk that the MSM attempts to pass as news these days.

I'll stick with getting all of my news and information from a wide array of sources instead of a handful of corporate/government controlled news outlets.

I'd much rather be informed about geo-political and economic issues than how Katie and Tom raise their kid, IMO.

Don't be such a slobber

CBC is giving you the MSM coverage you deserve and asked for.

I sent them a detailed email

I sent them a detailed email the day before the show addressing controlled demolition -- the admissions in the FEMA and NIST reports that they couldn't explain the collapses sufficiently, the many indicators of demolition, the work of Steven Jones, etc. -- and they completely ignored it in favour of Prof. Fenster, who didn't address a single piece of evidence. He referred instead to the usual ad hominem attacks (the scholars for truth are "experts in other fields," and so on).

Many of the so-called debunking sites use this attack ("show me a structural engineer who agrees with you..."), but it's a meaningless gesture. During Nazi Germany, show me dissenters willing to accuse Hitler of treason in the national newspapers.

We know many engineers agree with our findings. We know significant engineering journals have openly criticized FEMA and NIST. But many people are terribly afraid to lose standing in their professional community by voicing a controversial opinion (controversial because govt propaganda has made it so).

Finally, it's a waste of time to address 9/11 in terms of "conspiracy" because, as Griffin and many others have noted, the official version is a conspiracy. Anything involving two or more people collaborating to commit a crime is "conspiracy".

Having Fenster on was an insult to skeptics and those who believe the official version.

More bunk

There is no official version of 9/11. There is nothing but independent evidence refuting the nonsense of your conspiracy theories.

The 9-11 Commission Report

was the official account of the terrorist attacks. It didn't even mention WTC Building 7, and left out or distorted a great number of other facts.

It is interesting that you would be backpedaling on this flawed narrative now, two years later, after it has been shown that commissioners were given false testimony and lied to.

There is indeed an "official story." It is the one trumpeted by most of the mainstream media.

And it falls flat on its face by any measure of scientific analysis or academic critique.

Nope

Sorry, only the evidence is the "offical report".

It was shown a long time ago that 9/11 conspiracists were unable to demonstrate that they had debunked any of the evidence of 9/11 so dishonestly calimed that the 9/11 Commission Report was everything. 9/11 Conspiracists refuse to even consider the NIST reort.

Sp please, abstain from your strawman arguments.

The CBC TV show "Conspiracy

The CBC TV show "Conspiracy Theorys" from Fall '03 was quite good. Interviews Ruppert, Meysan, McKinney among others. Watch it now,
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article5103.htm

It's the source of this clip, "...the TV was obviously on..."

here's CBC Fifth Estate

here's CBC Fifth Estate website for the documentary above,
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html

Novus ordo seclorum

Those of you who label truth-seekers as sheep, blindly following their shepherd, are oblivious to the manner in which this truth is being sought.

When Fetzer, Jones, et. al. present an item of interest, they refer to items of public record, properties of matter etc.

They are presenting evidence. Not only are they presenting evidence to expose to the fraud, but also so-called evidence to the contrary.

The only thing they are guilty of preaching is a call to observe this evidence objectively! Many will observe it in a biased manor, in such a way that suits the outcome they hope to achieve. This the only pitfall I can see, but this is not a logical approach.

9/11 was not an isolated incident. Readers of history are quite familiar with the motives of evil men, and the lethargy and inertia imposed on those who seek the truth.
I will guarantee that if anyone looks at the facts in the recent geopolitical context, they will open their eyes to the misdeeds of our forebearers. You don't even need the evidence from the crime scene to discern the truth, it is staring you in the face.
Only when you fully understand the powers that have ruled Western civilization for the last few centuries will you realize exactly what we are up against.

Novus ordo seclorum

Really now....

We've heard that nonsense over and over. Fetzer and Jones , neither of them scientists or engineers, know that the bunk they spew is utter nonsense.

Why you would let yourself believe them so readily and uncritcally is amazing. You indeed are too blind to see you are sheep and that is EXACTLY what Jones and Fetzer are counting on.

New strategy

Is this the new strategy of shills.. to fill threads with rubbish like this? Please ban..

Excuse me, but if you

Excuse me, but if you actually look at their credentials you are gravely mistaken.

I suppose you also have a graduate degree in engineering and are able to completely convince yourself, using scientific reasoning, that what they propose is entirely false. Don't make me laugh. I don't take anything at face value. It is my job to doubt.

Uncritical? Nonsense.

Fetzer and Jones have nothing to gain by standing up for the truth. Get your facts straight.

I HAVE a graduate degree in

I HAVE a graduate degree in Civil AND Structural Engineering. What got me into the 911 truth movement was the sheer fact that the towers could not have fallen the way that they did WITHOUT demolishion. ITS NOT PHYSICALL POSSIBLE.

If they did I need to wipe out all my knowledge of designing buildings, bridges and steel structures. I need to start again. Science books would have to be rewritten again. Or was there a special kind of science laying out on 911?

You DONT have to be a Structural engineer to question why WTC7 fell when nothing hit it and no major fires.

Next time you see a small fire in a building, should we all panic that the whole building will collapse, perhaps we should not allow firemen to go up there as we know from 911 ALL steel structures collapse in an hour or so.

Its ridiculous how the MSM is spoon feeding the sheeple, garbage that the US/British governments wants us to believe and what makes me feel queezy now is that the Canadians have also jumped into bed with the US and our covering their asses.

Its time to stand up for the truth. Its time to weed out the REAL terrorists of this world. Its time we lived in a world where people come before profit. I say we start with the US Administration and move to each and every country after that. So that EVERY terrorist org is out.

War is not the answer. You have to be a stupid jack ass to think it is. But then again look who's running the US.

What happened to the world I was born in.

Right on. I'm with ya!

Right on.

I'm with ya!

What ridiculous nonsense

"You DONT have to be a Structural engineer to question why WTC7 fell when nothing hit it and no major fires."

You just gave yourself away as nothing absolutely nothing about the subject. Why would you so willingly admit you are SO stupid??????

"There are matters about which those who have investigated them are agreed. There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. .... Nevertheless, the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical Essays", 1928

What an assclown

LOL, and who do you "let yourself believe so readily and uncritcally is amazing."? A lying Government and its whitewash reports? What a joker.

Another strawman

It's instructive that you also have to engage in a strawman argument, pretending that the evidence of 9/11 comes from the Government.

ALL of the evidence is, was, and forever shall be independent of the government. To pretnd otherwise justs shows your desperation at not being able to sell your myths to the public.

Troll infestation

It would appear that the new changes in this website have also ushered in a new batch of trolls and shills.

Their strategy is simple: repeat ad nauseum that the 9-11 "conspiracy theories" have been debunked (by whom we don't know ...) and point us in the direction of the "thousands" of websites that "debunk" the scientific findings of the Scholars for 9-11 Truth. These thousands of websites are all found at 9-11 Myths, apparently. Isn't that connected to the Popular Mechanics drivel that didn't address any of the most damning evidence? The article that was published by the cousin of Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, which I've been told by other shills, "posed no conflict of interest."

This strategy is similar to that of a close family member of mine who didn't want to believe what I was telling her, and simply stated over and over that all of my theories "had been debunked," even though she didn't know anything about the subject.

What I'd be more interested in finding out is where these posts are coming from. Are people being paid to actively go onto sites and make ad hominem attacks without facts or links to back them up? Is it unfathomable to think there is a component of the government's NSA counter-intelligence program that is dedicated to propagating the myth of the 19 hijackers and a pancake collapse? The same myth that ignores WTC 7 at all costs, or when it is forced to address it, says it was due to fire, or damage, or something that wasn't a controlled demolition despite the fact that all the relevant data says it was?

I wonder.

If you are drawing flak,

It would appear that the new changes in this website have also ushered in a new batch of trolls and shills.

Just remember if you are drawing flak, it's because you are over the target.

Target 911

"Just remember if you are drawing flak, it's because you are over the target."

These people are like telemarketers and their target market is 911 dissent, but from what I've seen their message generally involves no actual rational debating of the matter only blank denial and ad hominem designed to enflame and divert open discussion. It would not surprise me if many of them are actually paid per posting and as the global oil crisis intensifies and the disinformation agencies clamp down on the internet I guess we'll see many more of them.

They're everywhere and I've personally found the best thing to do is either make what use of them you can as devil's advocates to further the debate or expose their modus operandi, or just ignore them. There's usually no reasoning with them as can be seen in this thread.

Some of them though may be genuinely disturbed by the possibility that 'Bush did it' and are just acting out their denial. With apparently one third of US citizens clued into 911 truth and one third holding up the Bush regime's support base there's a third who remain either uninformed or undecided about the false flag terrorism of 911. That's a big target market for exposing the truth about 911 and the oil wars it is still 'justifying'. Iran may soon be their next victim and along with it any semblance of democratic freedom at home.

Do be ignorant

"Their strategy is simple: repeat ad nauseum that the 9-11 "conspiracy theories" have been debunked (by whom we don't know ...) "

Don't pretend to be so ignorant that we laugh at you. No one has debunked NIST and all of your claims have been discussed and debunked for years.

You can't pretend not to know the facts of 9/11 unless you spend all of your time here and are in completely denial of the facts.

Get real.

Here are a few of the sites that completely wiped out your conspiracy theories and no one has been able to refute:

http://www.911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com/
Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories

Learn to think.

"There are matters about which those who have investigated them are agreed. There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. .... Nevertheless, the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical Essays", 1928

How Orwellian is that shit LOL ?

Of course NIST has been debunked;


9-11RESEARCH DEBUNKS NIST'S WTC REPORT

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

And nether will any of the NIST shills debate their critics;

http://www.teamliberty.net/id282.html

I know your here to entertain us, but it's not even funny. Go and educate YOURSELF before you come here and pronounce total Orwellian “bunk” and bs all over the place. 

Fantasies don't count

Your fantasy that NIST was debunked just shows how bad off your thinking is.

Here's some real help for you. Try to pay attention this time:

http://911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.jod911.com
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
http://wtc.nist.gov
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

It's important for your readers to understand the real world of truth and facts exists outside of the fortified walls of this blog.

What a surprise

You did exactly what I said you would do in my first post.

The NIST report didn't even consider Controlled Demolition as a hypothesis and didn't include any of the testing of the metal samples which has been done since.

But I'm not going to bother you with details. I just hope no one who follows your line of pre-determined thinking ever takes a class from me and expects to pass.

No evidence

"Controlled demolition" was and is not a hypothesis for previously-explained reasons. For one, there is no evidence.

Now pay attention to reality:

"There are matters about which those who have investigated them are agreed. There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. .... Nevertheless, the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical Essays", 1928

Grade: F

You fail. Your circular and close-minded logic is obvious to anyone with two brain cells.

Any historian or scientist will tell you that you must keep all hypotheses open to fit the relevant data. Therefore your logic is flawed and your motives are clear: promote the government conspiracy at all costs.

Again my only question is how much you are being paid to post your laughable and pathetic comments.

You're mixed up

"Any historian or scientist will tell you that you must keep all hypotheses open to fit the relevant data."

You need to pay attention. A hypothesis is based on the existence of "relevant data", NOT suppositions. There is NO hypothesis that says the towers could have come down by an excess of moonbeams because there is no evidence of moonbeams. Likewise, as I made clear and every strucutral engineer and forensic scientist has repeatedly made clear there is NO evidence of "explosives" AND the towers collapses are perfectly consistent with and explained BY causes relevant to the crashes, structural damage and fire.

Thererfore, it is quite clear that NIST had no basis for considering anything other than the relevant data.

That you would turn logic and the scientific method backwqards for your own ends is telling of the desperation of 9/11 conspiracists.

they ignored all of the data

they ignored all of the data which suggested explosions on lower floors, hundreds of eye witnesses that stated they heard 3 loud explosions before the buildings started to collapse. they also ignored any data which referred to glowing hot metal weeks after the collapses, and temperature scans done by NASA.. not only that, but they completely ignored any data regarding the collapse of the building past the point of the onset of 'global collapse'..

they ignored plenty of data that didn't fit thier predetermined solution.

Shill

Do you ever think about how useless a person you are? You just make things up - statements that aren't going to convince anyone here. You're wasting your time.

You still haven't answered my question - how much are you paid to post your drivel here? I'm assuming that by avoiding my questions, you are indeed paid. If you are an employee of the government paid to post here, you will be tracked down and found out. Your days as a government shill are numbered.

If you are doing it out of pure conviction, then you obviously have no idea what the prinicples of higher education and academic standards are. You speak in generalizations and roundabout sentences that do not mean anything. You simply state "it is not that way" and expect everyone to believe you.

Again, you have failed. You receive and F and no credit. And your words will be held against you.

=You need to learn how to think rationally.

Do you have ANY concept at ALL of how stupid a statement you just wrote voluntarily????

What in HELL are you smoking? Is this forum just a place for drug addicts?

Do be ignorant

"Their strategy is simple: repeat ad nauseum that the 9-11 "conspiracy theories" have been debunked (by whom we don't know ...) "

Don't pretend to be so ignorant that we laugh at you. No one has debunked NIST and all of your claims have been discussed and debunked for years.

You can't pretend not to know the facts of 9/11 unless you spend all of your time here and are in completely denial of the facts.

Get real.

Here are a few of the sites that completely wiped out your conspiracy theories and no one has been able to refute:

http://www.911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com/
Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories

Learn to think.

"There are matters about which those who have investigated them are agreed. There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. .... Nevertheless, the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical Essays", 1928

HAHA! 9/11myths.com is a

HAHA! 9/11myths.com is a friggin' joke. The author of that website relies on using heavy doses of sophistry to "debunk" what he claims are 9/11 myths. He even goes so far as to quoting anonymous posters located on internet message boards who've claimed they've used cell phones above 30,000 feet to "prove" that the passengers on the "hijacked" planes could have made those cell phone calls too. HAHAHAHA

Anytime you see these shills posting 9/11myths.com, follow up by posting these links:

Debunking 9/11Myths.com
http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/Debunking911Myths.htm

Thorough debunking of 911Myths.com:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2279&highlight=&sid=06...

Trolls and Shills and Disrupters–Oh my!

How refreshing it would be to watch the trolls, etc. starve and disappear due to lack of any feeding whatsoever.

I also strongly suggest banning unregistered users. Why should any of us need to hide our identity when it comes to getting at the truth?

Getting back on track...

Here is what I submitted to the CBC:

I'm not sure what the date of the broadcast was, but The Current had an interview with Mark Fenster, and I thought that now they can do a show with an opposing viewpoint.

Researcher, and fellow Canadian Barrie Zwicker has just published a book on this subject called "The Towers of Deception: The Media Coverup of 9/11". Here is some information on it Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865715734

Anyway, please consider, having an alternative viewpoint. Unlike Mr. Fenster, who chose not to discuss any facts regarding the attacks but instead suggested that anyone supporting such theories is being "sucked in", Barrie Zwicker will discuss the topic in detail with plenty of evidence to back it up.

You can contact Barrie at the following phone number and/or email address. Also, feel free to contact me for more information:

Mark Fenster

Somebigguy,

Good challenge to the CBC!

It's worth noting that Mark Fenster, while he certainly has impressive credentials, wrote his book (“Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture”) back in 1999. The latest edition was published in April 2001 (check out Amazon.com). Since then he’s been teaching unrelated law courses and writing unrelated legal articles. See http://www.law.ufl.edu/faculty/fenster/resume.pdf
So, CBC, what makes him more of an expert on 9/11 issues than the Scholars of 9/11 Truth he so smugly dismisses?

Oh my God - I have

Oh my God - I have Conspiracy Theory disease! Thank you CBC for helping me to see the light. Please, how can we get over Conspiracy Theory disease?

You have a choice

The first thing you can do is ask yourself why you are so willing to believe fairy tales from 9/11 conspiracy nuts rather than qualified experts in the fields.

"There are matters about which those who have investigated them are agreed. There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. .... Nevertheless, the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical Essays", 1928

An Expert's Opinion

It is precisely the expert critique led by the Scholars for 911 Truth of the logically challenged official accounts in the 911 Commission, NIST and FEMA reports that is causing such a problem for these logically challenged propagandists. It is rather amusing that Russel is invoked in support of disinformation.

This is also of course the same Bertrand Russel who founded the International War Crimes Tribunal in 1967 reporting on the criminality of the US regime's military adventure in Vietnam, and who also on the eve of the cataclysm of WW2 wrote that knowledge is the key in the preservation of democratic freedom against the excesses of power. Russel's legacy is the opposite of self denial and blind obedience to the power of the state, but rather a call for truth:

"to give a sense of the value of things other than domination, to help create wise citizens of a free community, and through the combination of citizenship with liberty in individual creativeness to enable men to give to human life that splendour which some few have shown that it can achieve" - Power, A new Social Analysis, 1938.

How funny!

There are no experts in Scholars for 9/11 Truth in relevant fields. Why you beleive otherwise is telling.

licensed structural engineer calling you out liar

that's two of us just on this one board. The truth hurts don't it?
Have NIST explain to you the completely symetrical collapse, how all 4 corners of a structural steel tower collapsed simultaneously, without any observed plastic deformation or buckling.
Oh yeah, that's right, they can't because they won't consider the only possible reason; explosives.

Talk about living in the dark ages.

God, you're clueless. The truth certainly hurts you since no one can refute the FACT that the towers collapses were anything but consistent with the crashes, damage, and fires and that NO evidence of explosives was EVER found.

You just can't stand not being able to debunk the FACTS about 9/11. You just can't stand that NO ONE can show ANY evidence of explosives.

You just want to be sheep.

http://kippsiberians.kokeshne

sent to the cbc

Listening to your show on The Current regarding 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Your guest Mark Fenster who is a law professor remarks to the host that he does not believe the credibility of the scholars for the 911 truth movement. What credentials does he possess as a law professor to debunk any of them? He is a law professor, not a physicist, architect, explosives expert, airline pilot, etc. He is a law professor.

Susan’s first words concerning the collapse of the trade center were about “gypsum dust”

Sound’s like Susan gets it. The explosives to the trade center buildings were so enormous that the concrete and everything inside the buildings including, computers, desks, chairs, and asbestos, everything including the people were exploded into dust particles.

Pancaking can not do this. Common sense stuff.

The very fact that the buildings fell is suspect. Never has a steel structure building fallen because of fire.

Kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel Period!! If it did then most kerosene burning stoves used in homes for a century would have melted by now.

Buildings cannot pancake at free fall speed. Period.

Please inform yourselves, It’s not rocket science, It’s a little math and some basic physics.

Watch a video of WTC 7 falling in 6 seconds. Building was not hit by a plane. It’s a

building take down that would make any high end demolition company green with envy. Simple stuff.
Remember it is ok to disagree with your government. That is for a few more months anyway.

I have a suggestion! Do a show on a real conspiracy theory.

19 saudi hi-jackers flying jets into the trade centers. Then you will have a show.

Please don’t invite Mark. He is a Law Professor

Big Shills, Little Shills, Disinfo Trolls and other scuz..

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS"

no matter how smart and profesional they want to sound

I've seen those website that claim to debunk the 9-11 theories, showing all kind of mathematical equetions trying to prove wrong what its certainly right. 2 weeks ago i believe the official story, and im sorry i am going to believe the one's you call theorist. Logic, obserbation, common sense, removal of evidence and delay of investigations are nothing to ignore. I am certain all that details which they provide that appears to debunk the so call myth's are just desperate attempts to sound profesional and smart trying to justify the official story. What gives it away all websites (http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm and others) trying to justify that building 7 fell naturaly, when thier explanations that there was a 20 foot whole on building 7 dont even make sense, to what was seen in the videos, or the way it fell, given that even its owner appear on video stating that the pull the building not the people.

Im sorry but it is completely certain those websites are a desperate attempt to cloud the truth with hight amounts of fabricated explanations to be made sound plausible.

Another blinders against truth

Remember, it is 9/11 conspiracists that have to debunk the evidence. NO one has to debunk you.

If you think you can debunk the truth, let's see you debunk these:

http://911myths.com
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.jod911.com
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
http://wtc.nist.gov
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

It's important for your readers to understand the real world of truth and facts exists outside of the fortified walls of this blog.

About truth

Last night on A & E (8-19-06) there was documentary about some of the survivors of the trade towers,but only one person mentioned explosions. So it would seem that part of this show was never questioned.They also gave description on what was happening to the structure of the towers,claiming that temperatures were reaching 2500 degrees F. Now that was an outright lie on TV and worth taking into evidence of misleading and false information. On the one hand,that is a claim that it takes 2500 degrees to melt the steel,and on the other hand the proof is required to explain what whithin the towers is able to burn this hot.
There are lots of myths out there to distract and mislead as Anon says and here is why; The NSA can basicaly login and monitor all important databases of the U.S. ,including aviation databases. That's why they also know,that the BTS database of the FAA already proves, that American Airlines "77" and "AA 11" did not exist on the morning of 9/11.

The NSA knew all the alleged passengers on the morning of 9/11. They know this quicker than the FBI or CIA. They know which plane exists amd which doesn't.

They also know in real time,what really happened in New York,Shanksville,and at the Pentagon.

In other words, the NSA is an important part of the perpetraitors who 'did 9/11'.

 

Promulgating the propaganda

Yes, I saw the A&E 9/11 program that you are referring to. There was quite a bit of disinformation in there. Gotta stick to the 'official theory' so that the FCC will allow the FIVE MEDIA CORPORATIONS that run America to be able to purchase more and more news and radio stations, magazines and newspapers so that the propaganda is well dispersed ya know.

I just heard that LC Final

I just heard that LC Final Cut claims that the plane or whatever hit the Pentagon had to break through six (?) walls. I have read arguments that only two walls needed to be penetrated, ie that there were no walls between the outer and inner walls where the object passed through the building.

Now for reality

community

to remind you of what we all know. we can all think for ourselves. not blindly following any expert, being critical of all. and still support each other. reguardless of what we think of detail issues we can all work for a reopen, real, investigation. independant and collective.

Dropping Knowledge

Hey guys; I learn't of this site from Pearl Jam on their myspace blog. It's a great place to drop some truth bombs. You basically just ask questions, rate other questions and comment on them as well. The most rated/talked about are posed to some of the greatest thinkers in the world early september. Check it out!

http://www.droppingknowledge.org

This is my question: 'Were the attacks on september 11th, 2001 an inside job?'

http://www.droppingknowledge.org/bin/dk?ph=question_search&questionID=13933

There are other 9/11 questions if you do a search. Great stuff!! Fairly new too I think.

social norming

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2002-05-28-social-norming.htm

I received a flyer from our local school board about their "excitement" at implementing this new program called social norming. What it does- and they use drug use as the pilot model because who wants kids using drugs, right?- is they use push polls to demonstrate what the majority feels about a particualer issue (I wonder who tallies the votes?) and then uses the peer pressure of the majority to condition the ones who fall outside of the "accepted" views or behaviors to conform.

That's what's taking place in schools.

The intentional and deliberate enforcement of "social norms" upon everyone.

No room for dissent, no room for individualism, no room for alternative perspectives.

That's what the supporters of the OGV want from us, to give up thinking differently from them, to accept the OGV, to accede to their demands to accept a version of events that has proven unacceptable to us after inquiry.

CBC pathetic as usual

It should be noted that the CBC is a wholly controlled government run media outlet which has been shoved down the throats of us Canadians since the dawn of time (or so it has seemed). Their opinions and broadcasting mean little to most Canadians as the majority of us don't watch the network or can take it seriously because it will almost always follow the government line on what it can and can not broadcast.
The "lawyer" on the interview discredits the scholars for 9/11 but provides zero evidence. He debunks Loose Change but hasn't seen it. As per usual someone gives their one sided opinion without doing one iota of research in order to gain a fair understanding of both sides of the arguement. This is standard operating procedure for the CBC. Fortunately not allot of us Canadians watch the CBC and those who do understand that "objective reporting" is not part of the CBC's modus operandi.

More excuses.

You just can't stand the fact that ALL 9/11 conmspiracists are as dumb as you are.

I'M DUMB?

How bold you must be to call me dumb as you wallow in an ocean of ignorance. Since you have a computer do us all a favor and do some research in to 911. Perhaps we can then have a civil debate.

P.S. It's spelled conspiracists!