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new false flag op?

There are reports that the Iranian Navy just attacked and occupied a Romanian oil rig in the Persian gulf. Romania is a member of NATO, and other member states are required to come to the defense of any member who comes under attack.



intresting, thanks for the

intresting, thanks for the heads up.


Of Tonkin...

Rawstory is promoting this as a "Claim".

Regarding Romania Being A Member Of NATO

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Let's not forget who was put in charge of NATO recently...

Man In Charge Of America's Gulag (Gitmo) To Head NATO


JUST YESTERDAY, Romania and Iran got together to "develop commercial ties", and "the two sides expressed pleasure over developing ties and stressed on strengthening bilateral relations."

So WTF happened?

Rawstory is reporting

That Uranium is missing from New Jersey.

Another debunking is welcome

Given the propensity for 9/11 conspiracists to deliberately ignore the facts of 9/11, it is welcome that the PM editor will be on again to hammer the point home that there is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

Be sure to take your blinders off.

PM Strawmen agruments

I have the new PM book "Debunking 9/11 Myths", and it's laughable! They used their best strawmen in the previous magazine article, and basically ran out of new ones.

All the book does is misrepresent & ignore the vast amount of evidence that’s been put forth by the truth movement, and argue against the strawmen it creates.

Look in the index for the word...

Pakistan, and tell me what you see.

Please do the same for...

Sibel Edmonds, and tell me what you see.

Look for the evidence...

Look for any evidence of explosives and tell us why there is none. Then tell us how 9/11 could be an inside job without evidence.

That should keep you busy trying to find evidence for several decades.

Take your blinders off

You dummies don't even realize that PM didn't even have to write a book. You guys have never been anle to demonstrate that 9/11 was an inside job. When you try to with nonsensical claims that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, you fall flat on your faces.

In any case, you can't even refute PM.

What About...

When we do with stuff like this?

Nothing there

No evidence of controlled demolition there. Once again the facts nail your phony conspiracy theory.



Fantastic work, Jon!

Jon, that list (+ links) is amazing!!! You really should write a book or at least a booklet or adobe document of this research! I'm very serious, we need to get your material out into the mainstream!


The proof is

The proof is here:

Testing of the metal shows the presence of thermate, which can be used to cut steel either slowly or explosively.

Never mind

Never mind, proof doesn't fit in a troll's brain. It just does not, neither is the truth.

Let's see the evidence

When and if you EVER come up with anything but debunked nonsense, we're here to listen. But after listening to the utter debunked crap you deniers present year after year, no wonder the world laughs at you.

Thermate comes from other sources too.

You missed the part where Jones forgot to tell you about the missing ingredients. But then sheep are sheep.

if you have something useful

if you have something useful to say, or information to share, etc. please feel free, but please do not post just for the sake of antagonizing other users.

dz, can't you just block the

dz, can't you just block the shills' IP?

i could, but i actually like

i could, but i actually like to hear the opposing viewpoints, but apperently some people are here just to start crap, which is why i try to give ample warning before doing so.. not that i have to, but im just trying to show that we wont ban people for disagreeing, but this type of crap is unacceptable..

ill take care of it..

Any "terrorist" attack you

Any "terrorist" attack you see in the news today and going forward must be presumed to be a false-flag op or psyop unless proven otherwise. This pertains to the "Iranian attack on a Romanian oil rig" and the most recent Russian airliner crash reported minutes ago.

Yes, I am cynical, but believe it is justified thanks to our country's history in false-flag operations and knowing what the Bush agenda is for the short-term. This being find any excuse to attack Iran and get the public's backing through accelerated terrorist attacks pointing the finger at Iran/Syria/Hezbollah.

"Fool me once... fool me twice..... won't get fooled again"... " (LOL)

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

More illogical statements

Talking about backwards logic. No wonder you can't understand that 9/11 was NOT an inside job.

What's your point?

Hey Anon Troll, would you please state your point about you posting comments here. Obviously, your irrationnal hollow arguments will never overturn anyone to the official fairy tale. So, what your point. Is it a new job for you. Let us know if the pay is good.

Pay attention. This is a rescue mission.

You know why I'm telling you the truth. Because you hate it and don't want to hear it but you are happy to be sheep in a sinking ship.

if you have something to say

if you have something to say then say it instead of just seeking to antagonize other users.

Pay attention

I've said quite a bit that no one here can debunk. And where are the links to the REAL truth sites that you refuse to post?

Wonder who are the sheep in

Wonder who are the sheep in a sinking ship... Idiot.

^Edit: That would be to the above comment

can i get a job as a govt

can i get a job as a govt shill too?

Russian jet with 171 on board crashes in Ukraine

Russian jet with 171 on board crashes in Ukraine. CNN

I don't know if this is related to anything, but just heard about it.

I wonder how this will play

I wonder how this will play out in the media today. I bet this attack will be talked about on Fox News, along with the Iranian nuclear agreement, all day today. Shits going down.

Was George Bush Sr.'s

Was George Bush Sr.'s Carlyle Group Involved In 9/11?

You Tube | August 22 2006

Don't you think this is just a little suspicious that the heads of Bush Sr.'s Carlyle Group (a major defense contractor) as well as a representative of the bin Laden family, were all in the same room together the morning of 9/11 watching the events of 9/11 unfold? These are all people who stood to make a tremendous amount of money off the military buildup and invasions that would ensue.


Popular mechanics on tomorrow and not today

Popular mechanics will be on Charles goyette tomorrow (8/23/06) at 8am.

Just heard him say it.

Charles Goyette is talking Bush/Cheney 9/11 right now.

I don't know about the PM guest, but Charles Goyette is talking Bush/Cheney 9/11 now.

PM on Goyette

Goyette just said the PM [liars] will be on tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. I assume he means Arizona time?

NY Daily News on Rudy - 9/11

Time to downsize Rudy 9/11 myth

The images and their accompanying story line are, by now, the stuff of legend, seared into memory. Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a lame-duck local pol, becomes the take-charge, already prepared leader of a stunned city and nation on Sept. 11, 2001, striding through the streets of lower Manhattan with his top commanders to rescue, rally and reassure the populace.

Five years later, Giuliani is a pop-culture superhero ("I didn't have time to be afraid, Oprah") and has unabashedly converted 9/11 into wealth, fame and a shot at the White House.

But a new exhaustively researched and unsentimental peek behind the mythology strongly suggests that Giuliani and his top deputies committed many errors that did grave, even fatal, harm to citizens, emergency responders and recovery teams before, on and after that terrible day. Investigative reporters Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins, the co-authors of "Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11," think the time has come for the public to trade in myth for some hard, uncomfortable truths.

Ghouliani need to be indicted!

It's good to see the NY Daily News revealing some of the Ghouliani fraud. He needs to be indicted for his obvious role in 9/11.

From the

From the article.

They tell the story of 9/11 failures like Giuliani's decision to locate the city's command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center over the objections of police and fire brass. The bunker went unused, and its 6,000 gallons of fuel may have destroyed the building.

WTC-7 diesel-tank nonsense

Manhattan office buildings do not have plumbing with gasoline/diesel running through them. This is total b.s. to make a pretext as to why WTC-7 imploded in a controlled demolition.

Furthermore, there was molten metal found beneath WTC-7. This was likely due to incendiaries like thermate/thermite, not diesel fuel.

Prove it

Of course, we know you can't.

Check the abuse from the

Check the abuse from the israel forces!!!

The Romanian Oil Rig Story

Interesting that this story is not being trumpeted by FoxNews like its the end of the world. You would expect FoxNews to declare war in Congress' absence.

Meanwhile, supposedly, Iran's formal response to the UN is reconciliatory in nature.

Could it be that we are being offered two paths- two responses - two choices - by Iran?

Maybe this is their way of putting the ball in our court and saying "choose" - war or a negotiated settlement.

Lets guess which direction the USA chooses.


Analysis John.

How Osama was Really Taped

How Osama was Really Taped Boasting of the 9/11 Attacks; Why the Release of the Tape was as Good as a De Facto Pardon
Osama's Confession; Osama's Reprieve

On September 21, 2001, ten days after 9/11 a sting operation against Osama Bin Laden was launched. It was to be a two-part affair.

Part 1 was the taping of Bin Laden describing the 9/11 attack.

Part 2 was to be his capture or elimination.

On September 26, 2001, ten days prior to military operations in Afghanistan, Part 1 was successfully conducted and we have seen the result; the Bin Laden confessional tape. Part 2 failed due to bad weather on November 2, 2001.

For Part 1, intelligence had about 4 days advance notice of the meeting where the taping took place; about 24 hours advanced notice of its location, and knew that Bin Laden was going to be there for more than 3 hours.

The capture was deferred to Part 2. A person from the sting team was left behind - the sting team was a minimum of 3 - to alert Special Forces of Bin Laden's return to the village where his family and favorite son Hamza were living.

The operation failed because of a simple case of freezing rain.

The release of the tape on December 13, 2001, was the result of world pressure for proof, especially from Muslim countries; the release was 3 days before the end of Ramadan.


Iran has rejected request to stop enrichment...

..according to Raw Story

fyi, that disgusting 9/11

fyi, that disgusting 9/11 Commission comic book comes out today. i saw a segment on the Today Show about it.

Love to see 9/11 truth comic!

I would LOVE to see a 9/11 truth comic book!!! Anyone who has the resources should make one.

actually i posted a couple

actually i posted a couple comics a month or so ago by a comic artist who is 9/11 truth friendly.. i made that suggestion to him, but it didnt sound like he would be able to take on such a project unless he could get paid for it.. stupid jobs!

I'm the comic artist...

Hey dz and all, I'm the guy you were refering to. If I could raise $2500, I'd go into this project head-first. That's about half of what I'd expect for any other project with a similar time frame. Here's the cover of a pamphlet I'd like to develop on WTC 7: http://www.freewebs.com/alexcarson/wtc%2Dflyer.GIF

In case anyone missed it, here is one of the comics that dz
refered to that 911blogger posted: http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/nass-cartoon2.JPG

I'm sorry - but I just can't take the time now without some kind of compensation. If anyone knows of a person or persons with the resources to back this project, please let me know. I will show them more examples of my work, and discuss what the book will contain. Let's make this happen, together. Thank you.

definately! nice to see you

definately! nice to see you still around :)

someone sent me a site where you can pledge money for something, but only pay the money once enough pledges were made.. that way people could pledge money without worrying if the $2500 would be raised or not.. perhaps that is a good idea for something like this?

stay in touch!

Sounds good...

dz, please let me know the site URL.

Preferably, the funding would come from one or two generous sources... that way this project could get off the ground ASAP, and counter the 9/11 Lie comic that's about to make the rounds. But I'm willing to go whatever route will make this work.

Truth comic book sponsor Jimmy Walter

I know Jimmy Walter is only one man, & he can do only so much, but maybe he would sponsor such a book?

We already have enough

Since comic books are all fanatasies anyway we don't need another one.

New 911 editorial from the Chicago Tribune

For love of a conspiracy

It's a subtle hit piece, but here is the best quote:
"It seems we're destined to have a debate, however far-fetched it seems, about whether the government was involved in Sept. 11."

You've been nailed again.

"It seems we're destined to have a debate, however far-fetched it seems, about whether the government was involved in Sept. 11.

"And if we resolve that, maybe we can move on to another conspiracy. The Scripps poll found that 38 percent of us believe the government is probably withholding proof that there's intelligent life on other planets."

LOL. You idiots don't get it yet.

There will never be a debate because youn have nothing legitimate to debate about. You just don't seem to get it, which is why the world laughs at you.

Anon, get real

Dude, your shillery is so boring. There are too many questions that need to be answered by a proper investigation. Take off your blinders and do your own research. When the truth comes out, you'll be wiping the egg off your face.

Official Story Defenders Don't Realize...


If the 9/11 panel said the Pentagon and Bush team lied to them, covered things up and witheld information; and most their "al Qaeda" info came from horrific torture sessions with "KSM"; what the hell can we believe?

The Bush apologizing idiots who buy into the official story probably believe WMD's are in Iraq...yet ano ther fraud.

You've already been debunked

No question about 9/11 has been asked that has not already been answered. When you decide to ADMIT the truth, you will be demanding this non-truth site be taken down.

Why do you all insist on being so bloody blind to realityand the truth?

solar roller--- i think this

solar roller---

i think this is the end of the abyss

they are saying that we are going to have "debate over what really happened on 911"

no matter what kind of attitude they try to stick on top of it
--that is just cause theyre scared

just like plants grow toward sunlight--------people gravitate towards the 911hoax revelation

it is now okay to say that there will be an open debate over the 911hoax in the fake msm

let it begin

Last Caller on Goyette

I was the last caller today on the Charles Goyette Show, (Trent form Mesa) i didnt catch much of the interview before I called, was there anyone else that called up to say 9/11 was an inside job? By the way I was really nervous because the call went straight through on air.

Nope you were the only

Nope you were the only one.

Tomorrow we should have more 9/11 truthers call in when Popular Mechanics is on the show.

I hope Charles remembered to notify Jason Bermas and gives him a front spot on his call in lines to refute the lies of Popular Mechanics.

PM is 9/11 Truth

Get your heads out of the sand. You cannot claim to be telling the truth since you have been caught lying.


but this administration

but this administration hasn't been? jeezus. can you not admit that we are being lied to on any level at all about 9/11?

do you have to associate everyone who does question 9/11 as believing in every theory? do you have to spend your time antagonizing users here when the real issue is that there is no credibility left regarding this administration and 9/11?

you can keep your talking points, you can say we are all wrong, but believing this administration hasn't lied to us at all regarding 9/11 is simply ridiculous, which is why you never confront any discussion other than that related to controlled demolition or the pentagon, because you have no desire to get questions answered, only to stop any being asked.

ive asked you to post resources, references, and details instead of useless sentence long insults, i would appreciate it if you would.

Stop fibbing

Can't you admit that no one has ever produced a thread of actual evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?

Can't you summon up even a modicum of integrity that 9/11 conspiracists Like Fetzer, Jones, and you all KNOW they are lying about 9/11 and claims of controlled demolition?

Can't you ADMIT that none of you are REALLY asking questions about 9/11, that you are CLAIMING without a single basis in fact, that the government pulled off 9/11?

Can't you admit that you refuse to provide links to ACTUAL 9/11 Truth sites like www.911myths.com as you have been asked to do?

Can't you admit that the tuth about 9/11 is IRRELEVANT to you as you prove day in and day out?

No, you can't do any of that. It's against your politics and everything we know is true about 9/11. You have NO evidence, no logic, and no brains, and no integrity.

911myths.com has never been

911myths.com has never been emailed to me to add into our links section.. you assume things without even trying to be reasonable, and only seek to cause problems, which in turn shows your real desires.

if you wanted to be constructive you could email such suggestions, or you could provide details, links, or new information as such sites post them, but instead you seek only to come here and antagonize myself and other users.

if you want to add links to the site then email me, just as i asked to be emailed of proof of the emails you claim to have sent to dr. jones with no response..

you are always all talk, and no action - email me, well go from there, otherwise youll stay banned.

Debunking 9/11Myths.com

your missing the point, you

your missing the point, you see we are the ones that need to read every word they say, they have no need to read anything we say.Undecided

none of them could watch 9/11: Press for Truth and still do the hateful crap they do.. but i doubt that will happen.. meanwhile we get accused of never challenging our opinions.. i actually checkout 911myths.com on a semi-frequent basis. thanks for the links, about time someone put something together in response!


Regarding Jon's comment about missing uranium

The article is also on today's "What really happened" site as well, also says it is missing globally, very troubling!

The time of the show would

The time of the show would be helpful.

Show time in AZ

The PM guest is supposed to be on 8 a.m. I assume that's Arizona time.