Open Thread

Another day, another open thread, have at it!

Proper, professional debate is the key

I just figured I'd extend the last post into this one, stressing how truly important a public debate is regarding 9/11. Not only are we waiting for a proper, open, independent, serious, scientific investigation into the greatest crime in American history, but we are also waiting for a proper debate of what occurred on that fateful day. Defenders of the official myth demonstrate their utter lack of veracity and credibility- not to mention their contempt for the American people- by refusing to enter into a debate with those whom question the official bag o' bunk. Just another $0.02 from me...
_______________ A must-see for the uninitiated: this video will awaken them from their long slumber A must-read for believers of the official story: David Ray Griffin administers the red pill

I want some audio clips of the PM interviews. Anyone?


Mp3 download of PM's Jim Meigs on Jack Blood's show 8/23/06

Jack Blood (Deadline Live) interviews Popular Mechanics editor-in-chief Jim Meigs:

15.6 mb courtesy of

There is an awfully peculiar

There is an awfully peculiar edit at the 1:03:55 mark. Did anyone else catch that?


Why be cagey?

Can't find it easy. Added current time to your post, subtracted mark, and looked for "ago". Is that the only clue you can give? Out with it, good man!

New download links for Jack Blood's interview w/ PM's Jim Meigs

Yeah, for some reason that mp3 was poorly edited.

Here's the unedited version of Jack Blood's show:

Deadline Live Hour 1: Interview w/ Popular Mechanics editor-in-chief Jim Meigs

Deadline Live Hour 2:

Good. I thought it was just

Good. I thought it was just me because the edit happened immediately after a caller mentioned a friend being picked up by the secret service right after 9/11.


Meigs is just a fool, or a despicable lier.


Oh, this is difficult to listen to...

Mr. Meigs said, and I measure his intent by his very words, that the perpetrator executed a "brilliant" move by turning OFF the transponder. He went further to explain to the 'layman', how ATC radar and air defense radar just aren't as good as the people think it is. Mr. Meigs said that, and it insults our intelligence.

He wants people to believe that "radar doesn't work so well", and that all the invader had to do was "brilliantly turn off the transponder." That "traffic and defense depend on transponders installed on aircraft", and therefore that the invader MUST leave it on if we have any chance of catching them.

I want to puke as I hear someone lie, lie, lie like that.

It was difficult for me to hear Alex yell the way he did, as he had someone like that on international radio..... but the motherf*cker Meigs deserves no better.

The transponder is an active pass-code RESPONDER, with every sweep of interrogating radar.

The radar sees the return blip NO MATTER WHAT! If the object is equipped with a transponder, it includes an identification CODE with every return blip. The return blip, including an identification code.... aids the traffic controller, and air defense, to know that the aircraft is friendly.




"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.

Pull "pull it" from our talking points--Are you nuts???

That 'Pull "pull it" from our talking points' blog entry by simuvac really burned my ass! Simuvac, you sound like Silverstein's nephew/niece who is worried about receiving his/her inheritance from the shady bastard. The guy is an insurance fraud at the very least! What's wrong with you?

Silverstein said he got a call from the Fire Dept. Commander, & they decided to "pull-it." It's on video. This is called evidence, & don't try to tell me otherwise, thank you.

If Silverstein meant firefighters should evacuate the building or leave the area, he would've said "pull back" or "pull out" NOT "pull it." (There weren't even any firefighters in WTC-7)

Silverstein is a billionaire NY real estate tycoon. He knows what "pull it" means.

the "pull it" controversy

True is that "pull" is hardly found anywhere on the web in connection with a demolition. Only "pull down" is being used. This issue is documented at . But anyway it doesn't matter whether "pull it" is Silverstein's code-word for it or whether it's a common slang: The context of where he said it, the "decision to pull...and watched the bldg come down" - reveals the meaning.

"Pulling WTC building #6"

i agree. its pretty clear to

i agree. its pretty clear to me what he meant by "pull it". hes just an old man who put a foot in his mouth and said too much.

"Pull-it" certainly means to demolish buildings!

Come-on Greg, they even used "pull-it" for WTC-6, as is provided in the link below.

Oh, come on

Look, we've beat this to death. WTC wasn't "pulled" down by Silverstein, there was no insurance fraud.

Move on and stop beating a dead horse.

new front page

what up truth homies... check out my new front page, it's groovy shit..

enjoy... brothers and sisters

- visit to learn the truth about September 11th, 2001

New WTC7 photos

I presume you all saw the new WTC7 photos on Alex Jones' site. The are not "new" photos as claimed.

I am fed up with sites like Jones' which promote the fake plane theory and take swipes at the no-planers.


Here is the WTC2 "airplane" which Alex uses all the time on his site.

Clearly this colourless object is not an American Airplnes airplane. It has no windows and no livery for starters. But if you look closely, the object if "flying" in an Easterly direction and it's aft section has been twisted photoshopically to maket it fit the gash in the Tower.

You can clearly see the join in the middle body of the plane, just behind the wings.

Anyone agree?

Alex Jones' webmaster and

Alex Jones' webmaster and those closely involved in the website wouldn't publish photos that were not new in some aspect or quality!!! If you have a dispute about these new photographs I suggest you contact Alex directly or telephone his radio show today.

In the defense of Alex, he is one of the few people who has been consistent about 9/11/01 even before 9/11/01!! Before 95% of people on here (and probably including yourself) knew what 9/11 was - he had anticipated it happening!! That is on the record!!

No I'm afraid I don't agree with this no-plane theory, and it's a diversion to this movement and now is being recognized as such.

'PULL-IT' is relevant to the discussion of Building 7 along with all the other information - including the newly published photographs on the Alex Jones websites. It needs to be kept in context of the entire day, including the manner of the collapse of building 7!
The whole sentence spoken by Silverstein is important, (I’m paraphrasing here) it’s “they gave the order to pull and we watched the building collapse”

That’s as if they were anticipating the collapse – that would have been impossible to anticipate, as no steel skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire at that point in time. Secondly – under what jurisdiction can Silverstein issue orders to the fire department to stop fighting fires??
At that time the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers was not known (or proposed).


The PM shills are running

The PM shills are running scared.

keep up the pressure.

These psuedo-scientist quacks shouldn't be able to raise their heads in a public arena without being thrashed with logic and truth.

I didnt ask you to agree

I didnt ask you to agree with the NPT, I asked whether anyone agreed that this was a fake photograph purporting to show an airplane.

Personally, I think the fake planes theory is damaging to the 9/11 truth movement.

Here is the original from AJ's site --

Here is a zoom on the fake plane.

The airliners or swapped drones hit the WTC.

The airliners or swapped drones hit the WTC. No need to risk using cartoons with thousands of people looking up at the South Tower.

Is it a fake airplane in the

Is it a fake airplane in the photograph or not?

I say Yes.

Why is Alex Jones promoting the fake airplane theory or FAT?

agree very much. its

agree very much.

its undenyable ... yet it Albanese and DBLS will

proportions are hacked, too...


ghost gun

9/11 'hero' image undone

"It's the unexamined question of 9/11: What if Rudy Giuliani wasn't quite the hero everybody thought?"

I Need Help

With this.


Good work Jon

There is a big hole in their 'NORAD was designed for external threats' argument when they were running drills simulating internal threats.

We should get help from Tarpley and False Flag News to see over the course of the years before 9/11, how many times they ran drills simulating internal threats. I imagine it would be a decent amount.


Why have drills that focus on internal threats if that isn't NORAD's job?

The Incompetence Theory

The Incompetence Theory has been sold to Americans so well that they'll buy shit like this.

It's a really funny story. Whoever scrambled jets told them to go to the ocean instead of to the hijacked planes 'because NORAD was organized for the Cold War'.

They've had 4 years and that's the BEST story they can come up with?


Who was the FAA supervisor who crushed,and cut up the audio from the air traffic controlers?
And why has'nt this been persued?
Is their a gag order on these controlers,and if so why????

Is George W. Bush a Clear and Present Danger?

Great Article

Thanks for posting this link Chris.


Alex Jones, The tv talk radio host based in Texas Predicted terrorism By the US Govt On July 25th 2001.

I dont know how to work the real tube into the blog, So please watch this 2 minute video clip here:

Again Now on August 10th 2005 He is calling for a Terrorist Attack Worse then 9/11 before the end of Octotber of this year. The Terrorist Attack if there is one Will be done by the US Govt.

View the Clip here:

Is The 2nd Coming of Christ Near? Maybe Some good news

[dz: comment removed - not 9/11 related, large flood post]

Is this a religious website now?

Will dz or someone please remove the long "fire & brimstone" posts at the top of this thread. This is a 9/11 site.


Not to worry. Any religion that talks about gay eyeball-shooting-heroin-drug-users who perform abortions on fornicating atheists......... you can be pretty sure God and "The Beautiful Baby Jesus" have nothing to do with it anyway.

"Swarthy cavemen hiding under every bed, who want nothing more than to stab you in the neck."

The very same kind of "They"-a-phobia that gets us into WAR.... every time.

It's all one big bag of nuts and fruit.... gotta face it.

Right on-topic for 9/11 truth.


"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.

not sure what you mean,

not sure what you mean, please elaborate..

sounds like you are onto sth.

blue pearl cut crap .. couldn't agree more.

Neuroses, but not the first cause.

When I use the term, and place "they" in quotes, I attempt to highlight the absurdity of MSM vilifying at every opportunity, the fanaticism of people who do not think they way they are told they should.

The current unification of the Judicial/Executive/Congressional thing, fully in bed with the Media/Military/International Industrial Complex.... is virtually of one mind; Us Against Them.

This is an absurd and deadly over-simplification of human behavior and interaction.

Perpetuating this kind of mindless crap threatens everyone.

"They"-a-phobia... is a neuroses which only spreads through simple ignorance, and much much faster if it is reinforced by groups which enjoy the profits made from it.

I charge that programs like No Child Left Behind, greatly aggravate this phenomena. Be that by its measurable "out-come", or by malevolent intent.

9/11 truth is tasked with confronting a great many things beyond the simple apprehension of the days perpetrators alone. I see this as something we can not separate out of our discussions.

Does that answer you question about what I meant? Take care.


"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.

CNN B.S. overload

Watched Footsteps of Osama and Are We Safer back to back last night on CNN and got a serious case of B.S. overload. Are we safer? Not when the whole world hates us.

CNN is a CIA propaganda station

It's very obvious to me that CNN is a Bush/CIA propaganda station. They eagerly tow the official line on everything.

Has anyone noticed the amazing amount of ads for the CNN show?

They had FULL ads in Washington Post and NY Times (more places too i'm sure) for about a week pushing this Bin Laden propoganda show. Huge Ads on multiple parts of the page.

I'm willing to bet that this was sponsored by the allocated propoganda money in the defense department.

Has anyone noticed?

There was also a big banner ad at the bottom of my cable TV guide channel, which is now Time-Warner, the whole time the show was on.

CNN's support for the regime

has become more pronounced in recent months. Yesterday, they spent 5 minutes profiling this PR stunt by a pro-Bush Katrina survivor. CNN has always been on board with the govt, but lately there is something more aggressive in their approach. They must be getting battered by Fox in the ratings. That, or the admin is preparing everyone for WWIII.

i noticed it too. they

i noticed it too. they actually played that clip of Bush standing and talking with the stage prop(poor guy is too stupid to know hes being used.he even said Bush should have another 4 years. sigh.) from Louisiana numerous times yesterday and even made it one of the bigger stories on The Situation Room with AIPAC Blitzer. i think there is a bit of a Fox effect going on there. they even hired Glenn Beck for christ sake.

I just watched "Outfoxed"

And they talked about how many of the other networks were starting to mimic Fox's style.

This is actually good news! Let them all hang themselves:

Conservative pundit Bill O'Reilly of Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" is having to factor in his own losses when it comes to Internet traffic.
"We see it as one gauge that the right wing is struggling," Rothstein said. "The mainstream media has been failing. The void was [initially] filled by right-wing media. The left is filling the political void now. There are a lot of Internet sites and bloggers now who are building very solid reputations."

OutFoxed is a must have

OutFoxed is a must have documentary. since the MSM as a whole is pretty rightwing/corporate like Fox is(just not as blatant),its really an indictment of the media as a whole and not just Fox. great film.

"Nuclear menace."

Every time I go to the gym, I am forced to watched the M$M. Luckily they ditched Faux news, but I always get a healthy dose of CNN. They have been going on and on about Iran The Nuclear Menace and they put up this big old graphic of Nuclear Menance and trot out Ahmadinejad's anti-semitic lunacy and everyone eats it up. The propaganda machine is completely out of control.

lol. And I now see Chris' comment on Glenn Beck. My buddy called me a few weeks ago and is like "Dude, you gotta watch Beck. We are gonna be in WWIII by August 22."

I highly question the timing of these OBL exposes. I am sure they will say it is a build-up to the reflection on the 9/11 anniversary.

Love the "Recent Blog Posts" & "Recent Comments" links

dz, the "Recent Blog Posts" & "Recent Comments" links on the right side of the screen are great! Would you consider making their windows a bit longer to fit more of the links in them?

i dont have control over

i dont have control over them.. the best i could do is possibly make a new view from scratch that emulates their abilities, which would be a major pain in the ass..

if you want a longer listing you really should be using the 'recent posts' link on the upper left.. its called the tracker, you can find it here:

hope that helps.

Thanks dz, tracker is excellent for recent blog posts!

Thanks dz, tracker is excellent for blog posts! I'm not trying to be a pain, but is there anyway you could put a "tracker" for "recent comments" as well?

its already there. : )

its already there. : )

the tracker shows how many

the tracker shows how many new comments are available that you havent read yet for each of the entries in the listing.. its the next to last column on the right.. so if you havent seen a comment on a post listed there it will say "12 new".. you click on that and it will take you to that post with the 12 new comments you havent seen yet saying 'new' next to them..

DZ... again... great job on the site. I was a doubter at first.

But after using it the last couple of days, it is much better than the previous version. Well done!

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

Yep, i am in the same boat.

Yep, i am in the same boat. Shot my mouth off about the change too -- saying it was a disaster:-(

Site is oustanding now....super job, dz!!!!!


I'm even learning how to read vertically.

add me to the list of people

add me to the list of people that was initially dissapointed only to change his mind. i said overall it was a step back for the site, but i was dead wrong.

thanks guys for the

thanks guys for the compliments and for saying that you had originally hated the new site.. i really do appreciate it. i have to admit i was very upset when i read these comments, but hearing you guys have come around to like the new site better means a lot to me, and makes me want to continue working on making the site better.

Much better

I have to admit that I suffered a bit of "site shock" too. However, it only takes a bit to get used to the new format and to begin to appreciate just how much better it is than the old one.

I like the ability to post your own blogs now.
The recent comments and upcoming events are great.
Love the random quote.

But especially like the new comments. You can actually follow the seperate threads now.

Good job!

911blogger v2 and Google Page Rank

dz, You may be aware of this, but I'll throw this out there anyway...

Your google PR is back at Zero. Have you thought of eliminating the "/v2" root folder in the URL? I'm no expert, but I think this should restore the page back to a PR 5 which will help increase your traffic.

im unfamiliar with what

im unfamiliar with what google page rank means, although it was mentioned when the new site first launched.. can you provide me some insight into this?

as for our traffic, it is the same as it was before the switch, but i'm all ears.. please help educate me on this if you can!

btw, i have been thinking about how switching to the root folder might work.. im afraid the longer we go here the more work will be required to make the change, since each day we are using relative paths in posts.. so, if i were to change it it would be this weekend, and i have been pondering doing just that..

From Google

PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query.

Really, the lack of PR should not effect existing visitors. However, new visitors relying on Google search may not find your site now because a lack of PR will mean may not rank well in the search results for certian keywords such as "9/11 truth".

As far as switching the root folder goes, have you thought about the feasibility of changing the DocumentRoot in the server config? I cannot speak of MS-IIS, but Apache config would be something like this:

DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs/911blogger/v2

Anyway, just thinking out loud here. Obviously I know nothing about the underlying achitecture of the site.

Hope this helps.

ya, i appreciate the tip.. i

ya, i appreciate the tip.. i was actually reading that same stuff a minute ago..

as for changing the root, i cant just change the apache config because that would in turn break all of the existing links to the old site - one of the reasons i put this in a subfolder..

i've given it some thought and im pretty sure i can make the change with about an hour or two worth of work.. unfortunately that means the site will be down for that period, but people will get over it ;)

ill look into this tonight and try it out privately, if it goes well then i will make the switch and then just knock out any bad /v2/ references afterwards.

thanks again for the tip!

Good luck

as for changing the root, i cant just change the apache config because that would in turn break all of the existing links to the old site - one of the reasons i put this in a subfolder.

Ah, I got ya. I didn't realize you're still trying to keep the old site intact so that all the millions of links out there don't end up breaking. Makes sense.

Good luck!

yes, RECENT COMMENTS rocks..

yes, RECENT COMMENTS rocks..

Will Pitt hangout special.

I love the guy, he's a great writer, but here is his response to the meme that Clinton was soft on terror and that led to 9/11. I wish he would just takes some small bites at 9/11 truth once in a while.

March 4, 2001: Television Show Eerily Envisions 9/11 Attacks

I have been reading thru Paul Thompson's timeline.

Here is one of the articles he has in it.

Somebody must have overheard the 911 plotters
Or is it real life getting the 911 idea from art ?
Or did the producer of the show have a crystal ball which not only predicted 911 but gave xray vision into the hearts and souls of the perpetrators.

March 4, 2001: Television Show Eerily Envisions 9/11 Attacks

Contradicting the later claim that no one could have envisioned the 9/11 attacks, a short-lived Fox television program called The Lone Gunmen airs a pilot episode in which militants try to fly an airplane into the WTC. The heroes save the day and the airplane narrowly misses the building. There are no hijackers on board the aircraft; they use remote control technology to steer the plane. Ratings are good for the show, yet the eerie coincidence is barely mentioned after 9/11. One media columnist will say, “This seems to be collective amnesia of the highest order.” [TV Guide, 6/21/2002] In the show, the heroes also determine: “The terrorist group responsible was actually a faction of our own government. These malefactors were seeking to stimulate arms manufacturing in the lean years following the end of the Cold War by bringing down a plane in New York City and fomenting fears of terrorism.” [Jack Myers Report, 6/20/2002]

Entity Tags: World Trade Center

The Lone Gunman is a great

The Lone Gunman is a great show too........


ok, so i was looking at the comments people left on under Loose Change 2, and i came across one of the funniest(yes disturbing and wrong,but what good comedy isnt a little bit disturbing?)qoutes ive heard in along time. it may be wrong, but tell me this aint funny:

Republicans use the same defense for pedofillia that they used for the Pentagon crash.
They thought it would fit in that small hole.
posted 7 hours ago by republicans are fools

9/11 Mystery Flight 93 -

9/11 Mystery Flight 93 - Shanksville - Donetsk - what's the difference ?

On 9/1///2001 Captain Jason Dahl taxied United Airlines Flight 93 Boeing 757- 200 at Newark International Airport, ready for its 8:01 AM departure but heavy runway traffic, delayed departure until 8:42 AM. Besides the 2 pilots there were 5 flight attendants and 37 passengers aboard.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology DNA lab in Rockville, Md., were later to identify their remains , from the crash site in Shanksville. Except the 4 alleged hi-jackers as Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller ( pay US$35,854 a year as coroner) explained "To make a DNA identification we need something from the victims or their family members -- personal effects, or blood samples -- to match," Miller said. "We don't have that kind of information about the terrorists."

Which chimed oddly with the report in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette of October 15th 2001, "It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed," Miller said.

At the crash site State Trooper Tom Spallone of Greensburg said the impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he had seen there is no bigger than 2 feet.

Eric Peterson, 28, was working in his shop in the Somerset County village of Lambertsville in the morning when he heard a plane - "There was a crater in the ground that was really burning," he said. Strewn about were pieces of clothing hanging from trees and parts of the Boeing 757, but nothing bigger than a couple of feet long, he said. Many of the items were burning.

Peterson said he saw no bodies, there also was no sign of life.

The crash site is now a National Park.

Today's New York Time reports the crash at approx 2.30 pm local time of Pulkovo Airlines Tupolev 154 un Sukha Balka, near Donetsk in the Ukraine in which 169 people died. The plane fell from 36,000 feet and by Tuesday evening rescuers had recovered 30 bodies.

It is interesting to compare the specification of the 2 aircraft , the length and wingspan are virtually identical but the Boeing tailfin is 7 feet higher.

TU 154 Length: 48.0 m (157 ft) Wingspan: 37.55 m (123 ft 3 in) Height: 11.40 m (37 ft 5 in)

Boeing 757-200 Length: 47.32 M (155 ft 3 in) Wingspan: 38.5 M (124 ft 10 in) Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m)

Now look again at the Ukraine crash site , engines littered about, parts of the tail fin fires burning evidently some time after the crash when fire trucks have got there and bodies recovered.

Now do you think Flight 93 crashed at Shanksville ?


Should have tested the Shanksville soil for weapons-grade explosives.

Good work dz..

I held My opinion for a little spell on this new look(9/11 has made Me a skeptic.It's a good kind of skepticism,though.I analyze things more deeply now).But I do like this much job dz!

Serial numbers on Aircraft Parts as a Clue to their Identity

found the following url:

Very interesting. An airplane crash investigator says its impossible in a plane crash to destroy all the time changed-parts (sorry to restate the obvious). Each airplane critical part has a serial number which is logged with the airplane reference number. On all four crashes on 911 the govt produced NO (!!!) serial numbers to prove the identity of the 911 planes. This is standard for air crashes investigations. Why not for the "terrorist act" of the millenium ? The investigator says "yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft".

And the official 911 whitewash believers accuse us of conspiracy theories. We are the only ones who are credible.

This is yet another super smoking gun.

Silverstein & firemen he talked to - the biggest smoking guns ?

1. Silverstein properties leases WTC July 2001.

2.. Firemen call Silverstein and say they are not sure they can contain the fire. Then Silverstein says there has been so much loss of life that they should pull it. So, then WTC 7 collapses.

Huge questions here:
a. what other choice could the firemen or Silverstein have ? You either let the building burn or you don't let it burn. If there is another choice then we are talking controlled demolition.
b. There was no one in WTC 7 so to continue to let it burn would not cause more loss of life. This statement was just obfuscation on Silverstein's part.
c. Where were the fire sprinklers.
d. Other buildings have had far more fire and never collapsed.
e. if it wasn't controlled demolition then how did the building fall down so fast after this phone call.
f. WTC 7 has classic signs of controlled demolition. Top middle part of building collapses inward then the rest of the building collapses in on itself at the speed of gravity.

This is the best place to start the investigation.

Silverstein would have had communication with those that put the demolition charges in WTC 7 because someone had to have told him about the charges. We should subpeona him. We should look at his phone records. We should be all over this man. Then once we find out who he communicated with then we follow that path. And if WTC 7 was wired for demolition then why not WTC 1 and 2. Then if we start getting names then the whole charade will be exposed.

Also, I was reading Paul Thompson's timeline of 911 and there was an article there about how Silverstein was conveniently at a dentist appointment the day of 911. And his children conveniently showed up late to the WTC 1 buildings where they work.

Silverstein is a big card if not the biggest card in the 911 house of cards. Investigating the hell out of this man will bring down the whole house of cards.

And where the hell are the firemen that pulled the building. Lets subpeona them and get them into a court room tomorrow. The firemen were the interpreters of "pull it". If the firemen say they pushed the demolition button for WTC 7 then all hell is going to break lose.

Those firemen are sitting on a timebomb, and if they don't come in and confess the whole story I am afraid the real perps of 911 will knock them off. I would be really really nervous if I was one of those firemen.

We should give full amnesty to those firefighters if they come forward.

This is the achilles heel of the Official 911 story.

Moral Responsibility

Please pass this along if you know anyone in the military.

The direct link in the US Military and any Congressional oversight is clearly in the appointed Generals and Admirals hands.
Each one took an Oath and in it; Each one had sworn "to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic". Also it states "to follow the orders of the President etc. etc. What is supposed to happen when the enemy is internal to the United States government within the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches? Is anyone of our appointed leaders considered a "domestic" enemy of our Constitution? Our military leaders have "secret" access and I can guarantee they have heard and known about the 9/11 movement, and that many have seen alot of the material however refuse to accept it as fact/while many do. And they have tended to ignore it, while basing their actions all upon the premise to protect their own careers and nothing else. Now we have many Generals, Admirals, Colonels, and Captains who have recently retired that NOW they are speaking out concernign our corrupt Administration. They are cowards! They are pathetic! They are traitors! The Active Duty leaders have a duty as outlined by the(UCMJ), to morally decide their actions against unlawful orders etc. They have a moral responsibility to the United States, and the International Community to do what is right. Our Congressional leaders along with the US Military need to start immediate impeachment proceedings under Constitutional Law. Some would say and argue that removing the Executive Branch under present conditions would undermine the National Security of the US and/or that no laws have been broken. We need to let a Court decide, and move on. We want to impeach a President for a sex scandal which only ruined a nice dress opposed to illegal foreign policies being implemented throughout the World tearing countries and families apart. Most of the active/retired military leaders believe a Democratic Congress will take charge which we know will not happen. Maybe our Military and Congressional Leaders have not learned to stand up for what is right in the face of adversity and humiliation. So what is next,,,,,,,,,,,, We all know

Iran, Lebannon, Syria - we gotta get the pipeline built to the Med, so we can lot that oil too.......


Wow, some real patriots warn about 911 two.