HELMETS, FLAK JACKETS AND MACHINE GUNS CONFRONT NY 911 TRUTH
From: Luke
Date: Aug 25, 2006 3:26 PM
NYPD, THE G. : HELMETS, FLAK JACKETS AND MACHINE GUNS CONFRONT NY 911 TRUTH
Aug. 12, 2006
INCIDENT REPORT: SAT CIRCA 2 PM
LARGE POLICE VAN LABELED NYPD PARKS BEHIND 911 TRUTH BANNER
SECOND LARGE UNMARKED VAN WITH BLACKED OUT WINDOWS PARKS BEHIND NYPD VAN (possible video-audio surveillance van)
WHITE OFFICER EARLY TO MID 40S, WITHOUT BADGE , MILITARY LIKE CREW CUT, SUIT, IDENTIFIES HIMSELF TO 911 TRUTH AS PART OF NYPD "INTELLIGENCE"
THEN ASKS IF 911 TRUTH HAS PERMIT FOR BANNER, SAYS BANNER POLES REQUIRE A PERMIT
I TELL HIM THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS NOW, AND COURTS HAVE ALLOWED PROTESTS.
HE SAYS POLES REQUIRE PERMIT
L. JOINS DISCUSSION , SAYS WOOD POLES NOT PERMITTED, BUT POINTS OUT TO OFFICER THAT POLES ARE CARDBOARD
NYPD INTELLIGENCE SAYS HARD CARDBOARD IS NOT PERMITTED
POLICE OFFICER'S MANNER IS POLITE AT ALL TIMES AND NOT INFLAMMATORY OR THREATENING.
HOWEVER
2-3? BODY GUARDS, TO THIS MOST LIKELY SENIOR OFFICER WHO TRAVELS IN TWO VANS WITH SWAT PERSONNEL,
GET OUT OF VAN.
THESE POLICE SOLDIERS ARE IN BLACK SWAT UNIFORMS , ONE OR TWO HAD LONG BARREL MACHINE GUNS PERHAPS M16, ONE I THINK HAD
SHORT AUTOMATIC WEAPON, PERHAPS GLOCK SWAT WEAPON, NOT SURE ABOUT DETAILS HERE.
THEY SEEMED TO BUILD A DEFENSIVE PERIMETER OF CIRCULAR NATURE AROUND THE SENIOR OFFICER INDICATING A BODY GUARD FUNCTION.
NOTE: UNUSUAL FEATURE OF THIS APPEARANCE WAS THAT THE OFFICERS HAD SHORT METAL HELMETS, NOT SWAT CAPS., HELMETS
THIS MAY BE A NEW TACTIC, PERHAPS INDICATING A CHANGE IN LEVEL OF ALERT. HELMETS ARE REQUIRED FOR COMBAT OPERATIONS NOT FOR FIRING ON LONE GUNMAN OR NORMAL POLICE ACTIONS-COMBAT OPS WITH POSSIBLE SHRAPNEL./GRENADES ?
SOMEWHERE IN THIS PERIOD, FEMALE PROVOCATEUR "ABBY" APPROACHES NYPD INTEL OFFICER AND ASKS HIM TO "DO SOMETHING" ABOUT 911 TRUTH STOPPING HER FROM PUTTING UP SIGNS. BASICALLY ASKING THEM TO ARREST ONE OF US AS PROHIBITING HER "FREE SPEECH"
I ASK OFFICER IF ITS PERMITTED FOR THEM TO PUT SIGNS NEXT TO 911 SIGNS, SHOULD THEY NOT BE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE WITH THEIR OWN MESSAGE
OFFICER DOES NOT ASK A QUESTION HERE. HE STATES THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO MINGLE IN 911 PROTEST SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE A PERMIT.
NOTE-THIS INDICATES NYPD HAS AWARENESS OF THIS PRACTICE OF PROVOCATEURS AT GROUND ZERO!
I ASK IF HE WORKS FOR FORMER CIA OFFICER IN CHARGE OF NYPD INTELLIGENCE , THE ONE THAT WAS IN BUILDING 7 ON 9-11,
OFFICER STUTTERS HERE AND THEN SAYS YES.
911 PUTS BANNER DOWN .
NOTE THIS APPEARANCE BY NYPD IS ATYPICAL IN THAT 1) THEY APPROACH 911 TRUTH, 2) THEY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS "INTELLIGENCE" AND 3) AS NOTED APPEARANCE OF HELMETED BODYGUARDS, AND 4) THEIR APPEARANCE COMES AFTER INITIATION OF PROVOCATEURS AT GZ, WHICH THEY HAVE APPARENTLY KNOWLEDGE OF .
ALSO WHY DID OFFICER IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS NYPD INTELLIGENCE?
THIS POSSIBLY CONFIRMS THAT NYPD INTEL (ANTI-TERROR) HAS INTERNALLY IDENTIFIED NY 911 TRUTH AS A "TERRORIST" ORGANIZATION. SELF-IDENTIFICATION AS INTEL THEN THREATENS APPLICATION OF THE PATRIOT ACT
THIS TOGETHER WITH APPEARANCE OF PROVOCATEURS SIGNALS RATCHETING UP OF ANTI-WAR, 911 TRUTH ACTIVITIES BY STATE SECURITY APPARATUS., PROVIDING FURTHER EVIDENCE IN CHANGE OF ALERT STATUS-POSSIBLE SECOND 911 COMING SOON?
ALSO INDICATES HIGH LEVEL DIRECTIVE TO INTERVENE AT GZ. SUNDAY LECTURE ATTENDEES SHOULD CONSIDER LEAFLETTING AT GZ.
______________
INFORMATION HERE IS AMALGAM OF FIRST HAND REPORTS NOT NECESSARILY WITNESSED BY ME.
PLEASE SEND ANY OTHER INFORMATION, CORRECTIONS, TO NY 911TRUTH.
RECOMMENDATIONS
cameras SHOULD BE AT GZ AT ALL TIMES TO VIDEO IF POSSIBLE POLICE INTERFERENCE IN CASE OF FALSE ARREST
SHOUTING OR ANY OTHER DISTURBANCE OF THE PEACE SHOULD NOT BE CONDUCTED
ONE MORE CAVEAT- SEE BELOW, NYPD INTEL WORKS CLOSELY WITH NATIONAL DRUG ,OTHER AGENCIES.
ANYONE BRINGING DRUGS TO 911 EVENT SHOULD BE ASKED TO CONDUCT THIS ELSEWHERE
________
Village Voice: Examining NYPD Crackdowns on Activists
The form bears the stamp of the NYPD Intelligence Division and also a graphic that has been described only as "a federal seal." That seal belongs to the New York/New Jersey High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (NY/NJ HIDTA), a division of a federal agency. A drug agency seems at first glance out of place on the political questionnaire. But NY/NJ HIDTA happens to run a vast criminal information database accessible to some 600 different law enforcement agencies.
NY/NJ HIDTA's Regional Intelligence Center (RIC) database, according to the agency's Web site, provides "one-stop shopping" for law enforcement agents, with "access to virtually all of the law enforcement and commercial computer records. Inquiries can be run on, among other things, persons, vehicles, businesses, addresses, and telephone numbers."
http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=775
In Response to NYCLU Demand, Police Stop Interrogating Protesters About Political Activity
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11171prs20030410.html
- OWN the NWO's blog
- Login to post comments
Capitals
I find it extremely tedious reading ALL THE BIG LETTERS! Is this necessary?
I didn't write it Luke did
and I didn't feel like transcribing it, he passed it out as a bulletin on myspace, you can link to his page at the top I'm sure you'll recognize him.
"Big letters" are your only comment?
More concerned about tedious "big letters" than Nazi-like goons trying to squash freedom of speech? Wake-up you fool!
BIG LETTER ARE OK
my fingers ache constantly. i've become a chronic nailbiter since learning the 9/11 truth
big letter are easier for me to type - no shifting up and down. or i could do all small letters.
your comment was right on - its the message that matters, not the size of the letters
Scumbags
Total scumbags. But remember 911 truth is a peace movement, we’re Ghandi MLK jr style here, not Malcolm X Che Guevara nutbag anarchists. Those provocateurs can suck a d!ck though lol.
SA Storm Troopers!
Is this America or 1933 Germany? Very alarming stuff going on here. Please keep us posted about all these intimidation tactics (while we're still free to do so)! We need to nip this in the bud!
who is "Abby"? is that the
who is "Abby"? is that the same agent that indymedia exposed a few months back?
presumably so
without further investigation
"Anna" was referenced as a
"Anna" was referenced as a provocateur in Raw Story several months ago
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/FBI_confidential_informant_also_said_t...
Definitely keep the cameras rolling at Ground Zero.
"we’re Ghandi MLK jr style
"we’re Ghandi MLK jr style here, not Malcolm X Che Guevara nutbag anarchists."
Ghandi WAS an anarchist you nitwit. And Che Guevara was a communist. Don't try and speak for the entire 911 truth movement. Who the fuck appointed you leader?
The igorance on this forum
The igorance on this forum about everything except 911 and secret socieities gets tedious.
"A society organized and run on the
basis of complete nonviolence," he stated repeatedly,
"would be the purest anarchy .... That State is perfect
and non-violent where the people are governed the
least." And again: "...the ideally non-violent State will
be an ordered anarchy. That State will "be the best
governed which is governed the least." Gandhi's hatred
of State oppression was as passionate and deeply-felt
as any contemporary libertarian. "Any man who
subordinates his will to that of the State surrenders
his liberty and thus becomes a slave."
incidentally, both Gandhi and MLK borrowed their ideas on non-violence from yet another anarchist: Leo Tolstoy.
Who the f*ck are you calling
Who the f*ck are you calling a "leader" assclown? Ghandi was a about PEACEFUL REVOLUTION, the man took beatings in the street to prove a point of non-violence. Martin Luther King was all about PEACEFUL REVOLUTION he reached out to his oppressors. Malcolm X was an inspiring man but he advocated violence. And Che Guevara went running round in Bolivia’s jungle with gat. So don't be patronizing to me joker, the 911-truth movement IS A PEACE MOVEMENT, all that shit's in caps so you can understand it dipshit. We'll never be acting like crazed anarchists or animal rights protesters. Most anarchists I’ve met I’m down with actually, but the agent provocateurs that try and incite everyone else into violence have defined their image, because they did'nt do enough to stop them (Although it is a hard thing stop, and the media will latch onto anything negative that they can). So 911-truth is going to remain peaceful and intelligent, if you don't like that go get conned into a pointless riot at the next WTO protest!
Dude, you need to go read a
Dude, you need to go read a book or two and stop shooting your mouth off about things you don't understand. You said "we're like gandhi not nutbar anarchists". I explained to you that Gandhi was in fact an anarchist. If you wanna say "nutbar provacateurs" or something that's one thing, but you can't go around smearing an entire philosophy based on the doings of a handful of people. I could just as soon say "we need to be peaceful not like those nutbar christians" simply because a handful of Christians assassinate abortion doctors. Not that the actions of the bloc or your hated "animal rights protesters" are violent -- they're not, unless you consider property destruction violent -- but you get the point.
Also, you keep referring to "we" as if your opinions represent everyone involved in 911 truth. Now I'm sure that most people, including myself, involved in the movement agree with the tactic of non-violence, as theorized by anarchists like Gandhi and Tolstoy. I'm also sure that very few people, including most anarchists, agree with the tactic of property destruction. You just need to learn to classify things properly, that's all.
No need for the
No need for the condescending attitude or the questionable philosophy lecture. DBLS is just making the point that some people would like nothing more than to label 9/11Truth as "anarchist," "socialist," "terrorist," or any other "ist" you can think of. Language and labels matter.
"No need for the
"No need for the condescending attitude or the questionable philosophy lecture."
Yes, the philosophy lecture was, unfortunately, necessary. Condescention maybe not, but I have a hard time maintining equanimity in the face of immature and ignorant attacks.
"Language and labels matter."
I agree, that's precisely why I made the post to begin with.
Right, but clearly your
Right, but clearly your being oversensitive about the term "anarchist". I'm sure Ghandi was a lot of things, and I don't have a PhD in Ghandi studies. But above all I know he advocated and encapsulated peaceful resistance, which was my point. "Anarchism" as a philosophy was not what I was addressing; I was talking about the victims of provocateurs like "anarchists", and the difference between the iconic revolutionaries. And when I say "We" it's like a football fan talking about his team. Except football and sports aren’t going to stop the bullshit “war on terror”, are not going to derail the crooks and liars who profit from the “war on terror”, and are not going to bring justice to those who have suffered both on 9/11, and after through the toxic dust that people inhaled in NY, and all those murdered in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars of aggression. So when I say "We" I'm talking about a movement.
""Anarchism" as a philosophy
""Anarchism" as a philosophy was not what I was addressing; I was talking about the victims of provocateurs like "anarchists", and the difference between the iconic revolutionaries. And when I say "We" it's like a football fan talking about his team."
I'm sure you had your heart in the right place. I just suggest you exercise a little more tact with your language; there are millions of anarchists out there, including the original inhabitants of your country; only a handful dress up in hoodies and break shit. Indeed, even if I disagree with their tactics, there are many well-documented cases of blac blocker types defending peaceful protesters from police agression, putting their bodies between mothers and children and takng severe blows from police weapons. So they're not all bad, even if I resent the fact that the word "anarhchism" is associated with property destruction and hoodies.
Using the right language
I don't consider Myself to be any type of expert on philosophy,but I agree with both of you on these subjects. I also use the term We when I talk about 9/11,since all of "us" want the truth,I do consider Myself as one of the managers of spreading the truth,just as I consider you Dem Bruce and you Anonymous as the same.We are all equals in this movement, whatever We are called,whatever walk of life We convince to see the truth,whatever label We are seen as,whoever else we compare ourselves to,or distance ourselves from,this is a peace movement,pure and simple.So on that note both of you make good points,and both of you are very intelligent people.That's good,it's what 9/11 truth needs .Sometimes I use the "the fact is" more than I should since some of what I put out there has not been proven either way, but it would seem more common sense to say untill proven.
The language to express opinions is one thing,but the need to clarify is more significant because the Neocons and the MSM have the spin machine turned on and ready to pounce on anything they can use against all 9/11 truthers.
the stigma of the word anarchism
is utterly ridiculous, thanks to provocatures.
go to wiki and look up
market-anarchy
and
christian-anarchism