Zwicker interview: "Searching for truth in the rubble"

Searching for truth in the rubble

Author Barrie Zwicker believes the White House knocked down the Twin Towers on 9/11. Crazy conspiracy theory? Maybe not.


As the fifth anniversary of 9/11 draws near, recent polls indicate that a growing number of Americans believe they have not been told the full truth behind the events of that terrible day. In other words, more and more people are coming around to the conclusion Canadian journalist and media critic Barrie Zwicker reached within hours of the collapse of the World Trade Center: that forces within the United States government manufactured the attacks as a means of justifying war plans abroad and instituting draconian domestic policies at home.

Outrageous? Possibly. But Zwicker is not a lone conspiracy theorist shouting rhetoric from a street corner. He is part of a widening group of well-educated individuals, collectively known as the 9/11 Truth Movement, who, through exhaustive independent research, have determined that the official story of what happened on Sept. 11 is more far-fetched than any of the so-called "alternative versions."

Zwicker is the author of the recently published Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11. He responded to questions from the Reporter via e-mail while on a book signing tour, which comes to the E.P. Foster Library in Ventura on Sept. 6.

Ventura County Reporter: What, in essence, is "the truth" behind the events of Sept. 11, 2001, as you see it?

Barrie Zwicker: Any fair-minded person who puts aside politics, ideology, fear and presuppositions, who simply examines the evidence dispassionately, cannot escape the conclusion that the White House engineered 9/11 by neutralizing the [United States Air Force] and bringing down the WTC towers (and WTC 7) through controlled demolition made to look like collapse from aircraft hits and fire (except that the sudden collapse of WTC 7 at 5:20 pm on 9/11 took place without the building having been hit by an aircraft or even been seriously damaged by the events of earlier that day, and only two small fires were seen in the building).

Were you immediately suspicious of the media's portrayal of the tragedy or did your doubts develop in the aftermath of that day?

With me, it was immediate. I have had a lifelong interest in aviation. On the morning of 9/11 I was jumping up and down in front of my TV set cheering the USAF into action. "C'mon," I shouted, "let's get going." Passenger aircraft were loose all over hell's half acre, heading for Washington, D.C., and goodness knows where. I knew jet interceptors are scrambled in minutes. After about an hour, the penny dropped. "This is impossible," I said. "This is a Reichstag fire 2001."

You call 9/11 a "false flag operation." What does that mean?

The definition I use in my book is that it is an event, usually shocking and often involving considerable loss of life, staged by a government to make it look as if the nation involved is being attacked by a chosen enemy.

President Bush is known for making a lot of decisions without consideration for any kind of mandate from the public. If he wanted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, couldn't and wouldn't he have done so without manufacturing an event the size of 9/11?

It's much harder, especially when you suffer low popularity and trust to begin with, to simply talk a nation into war than to have a massive emotion-packed false flag op to drive public opinion. A small event would not have sufficed to accomplish the multiple aims of the neo-cons: massive resource theft, several dirty expensive wars, ballooning billions to the arms and surveillance industries, reduction of civil liberties. The neo-cons had to produce, as the [Project for a New American Century] document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses," of September 2002 put it, a "catastrophic and catalyzing event" on the scale of a new Pearl Harbor. We're talking changing history here; a few lies by a known liar just aren't going to cut it.

What is your opinion of some of the more fantastic theories that have been put forth regarding 9/11 (i.e., that a missile hit the Pentagon, that the planes that hit the WTC buildings were unmanned drones, etc.)? Do they help or hurt people like yourself, who take a more journalistic approach?

No theory is fantastic if it squares with the available evidence. Theorizing is a logical and necessary process for discovering truth. Most people who reject conspiracy theories believe the most fantastic one of all: the official 9/11 story of hard-drinking Muslim terrorists, terrorists who could not rent a Cessna but piloted giant airliners with pinpoint accuracy, whose passports were found intact in burning rubble, etc. - in other words, a conspiracy theory with no evidence to support it. Remember the line from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Sign of Four: "Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

In your book, you criticize "leftist gatekeepers" such as Noam Chomsky as much as the neo-cons. What role are they playing in the alleged 9/11 cover-up?

I agree with progressive filmmaker Roy Harvey of Snowshoe Films that "The greatest single obstacle to the spread of 9/11 truth is the left media." In Chapter 5 of my book I provide 15,000 words of evidence (plus two pages of footnotes) showing left media have proved to be de facto censors of 9/11 truth as much as the mainstream corporate media. They have thereby prevented many thinking, concerned citizens from taking earlier and/or effective action to expose the Achilles heel of 9/11. You'd expect this of the corporate mainstream, not of the alternative left. The implications are very dark. We need to face them.

According to recent polls, more and more people seem to be coming around to the idea that we're not being told the whole truth about what happened on Sept. 11. To what do you attribute that growing opinion?

To the 9/11 Truth Movement, in the main. But the movement is planting its seeds in an ever more fertile soil: growing public discontent over such facts as the lying about WMDs in Iraq, the obscene tax breaks given to the already over-rich, the trashing of civil liberties won over centuries, the trashing of the natural environment, the hyper-militarism. When 68 cents out of every tax dollar are going to arms and the military, a society is skewed for collapse. People are connecting dots. The dots are more and more inescapably evident. One of them is media complicity with this corrupt and dangerous oligarchy. This is why I wrote my book.

Do you take offense at the term �conspiracy theorist�?

I welcome being called a conspiracy theorist as this exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of the person applying it and provides me with an opportunity to point out that intellectual bankruptcy.

Could you foresee what you see as the truth about 9/11 being revealed at any point in the future?

Yes. When - Either it breaks out in a politically significant way in, say, five years at the absolute limit, or I fear - and I am not alone - that the forces behind 9/11 will have declared martial law or worse. My friend Elias Davidsson of Reykjavik, Iceland, one of those profiled in the book, says it as well as anyone: "Either those who conceived, planned, organized, perpetrated and covered up the crime" will be brought to justice and "a new mass movement for real democracy will emerge," or 9/11 "will remain underexposed, those who conspired in 9/11 and its cover-up will feel confident to set up national security states in which no true opposition will be permitted, and human rights and democracy will wither for a long time."


Barrie Zwicker will sign copies of his new book, Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11, at E.P. Foster Library (651 East Main St., Ventura) on Sept. 6. For more information, call 648-2716


Why did Silverstein admit to the demolition of WTC 7? Stupidity? Come on..
Why is NTSB looking at the use of explosives for WTC7? Naivety…all of a sudden.

What if the official story became: ”We destroyed WTC7, we had to for national security reasons. The destruction of WTC1 and 2 opened up the secure layers of defense that WTC7 had in order to protect sensitive CIA/FBI data.” With the mass media propagation machine behind it, the current successes in the polls of the 9/11 movement could easily be reversed by such a revelation. The problem with smoking guns like WTC7 is their susceptibly to straw men arguments. In particular, WTC7 was never seen by the general public typically, and so when viewed for the first time on alternative sites it represents the first line of argument of “some kind of cover up”. If this then was the basis for these people to first question the official story, it may also be the perps most important target to ensure their departure. “How stupid I was to believe that they would do such a thing” they later think.

The current internal warfare evidenced especially on 9/11 blogger about no plane vs plane hitting WTC1/2, Thermate vs mini-nuke, Missile vs Military plane vs 757 hitting the Pentagon are examples that will ultimately prevent the newly generated WTC7 doubters from looking any further at the event. It’s clear that the 9/11 movement needs theories to justify questions. But when theorists attack theorists out of fear of disinformation they do neither themselves, their theories nor the movement any justice. In reality the first line of attack of any disinformation agents would not be to propose alternative straw man theories (like the accusation against Jones) but rely on much more historically successfully approach:


The example I gave for deliberately destroying WTC7 is classic D&C.

The Solution:



Like any true democracy, invite candidates, debate their agenda, elect.

The result:

A unified message. The only truly unifying message within the 9/11 movement is the desire for TRUTH. Theories are reserved for internal debate within the party only. I believe the successful elected president will run on this and this alone.

the real problem

the 36% 9/11 poll should long have been enough for the media creating a new Watergate. It should long have revived investigative journalism. The message of WTC7 should have spread like a wildfire all over the place, including Washington D.C.. But it just doesn't happen. Someone stuck a spoke in the wheels of a new Watergate. All parties have joined in to ban 9/11 truth as "politically incorrect", "conspiracy theory" being their codeword.


Everyone knows that. The obvious demolition, the contents which included SEC case files (evidence destroyed), and the fact that it was never the subject of real scrutiny when it obviously deserved it point to WTC7 as one of the perps' weakest links. Silverstein has to be forced to give a deposition on exactly what happened. Not make cryptic double-meaning comments on documentaries, not issue statements through his spokesmen. He himself must be the subject of an investigation into fraud and racketeering. Period. There is no controversy about this. There is no internal warfare about any major point in the truth movement except that which is attempted to be manufactured by the perps with their disinfo efforts. For God's sake people, this is the same tactic they use in the real world--toss a few false flag bombs around and watch people scurry, panic, and turn on each other. It could not be more obvious who these people are and what they are doing. Don't miss the forest for the trees. We must gradually enclose the forest, not try first to decide which trees are on fire. No-planes, for example, falls into the category of things that while remotely possible are completely irrelevant and serve to distract from the incredibly damning case we know exists. It is imperative that we continue our outreach and publicity directly with the public, emphasizing the strength of the factual case and downplaying the unhelpful speculative efforts. TWTC7 was intentionally destroyed, as were the towers, and AA77 does not appear to have crashed at the Pentagon. The claims that Muslim hijackers were responsible are based on circumstances clearly manufactured by the failure to heed warnings about suspicious people before 9/11 and some very obvious planting of falsely suggestive evidence. The scheduled war game exercises that involved false radar injects were a smokescreen to hide the true nature of the flights/planes involved on 9/11. The behavior of certain foreign agents such as Pakistan's ISI and Israel's Mossad have been downplayed and must be revealed to the public in full and investigated. Put all of this together, all factual and not speculative, and we have a compelling scenario to convince people of the need for a new investigation. Also don't forget that OK City was a similar scam and that four of the American Society of Civil Engineers volunteers who worked on the "investigation" into the collapses on 9/11 were involved in a similar effort in the case of the Murrah building. Note the MSM now wants to throw a little Clinton blaming into the mix. Great! While Clinton was not responsible for 9/11, his role vis a vis OK City and other black ops (including the first WTC bomb in 93) must also be investigated. While the MSM's purpose is to try to play the blame game over the already discredited Muslims DId It fantasy, the 9/11 Truth movement is not fooled by this base partisanship and will seize on the opportunity to broaden the scope of its inquiry into corruption in the highest offices, uniting Americans who are fed up with both parties' dog and pony shows meant to distract us from the truth. And don't forget Sibel!!

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

Well said, the total set of

Well said, the total set of evidence when put together is overwhelming case for complicity. However you missed the point somewhat. WTC7 may be the perps weakest link, but it could also become the truth movements weakest link too. A lot of the newcomers to 9/11 truth, like the ones I have convinced and probably like a lot of the 36%, have heard the evidence but have considered 9/11 myths and snopes for the opposite side too. They have a hard time understanding why the media (mainstream and alternative) are not convinced. If Bush was involved, why isn't every left wing/anti war alternative site all over it (thinkprogress, truthout, antiwar, huffington post, afterdowningstreet, crooksandliars etc) ?
But, WTC7 stands out to them as the only unquestionable case for an inside job, that cannot be explained away and hasn't (they don't buy "we've seen the secret photos of massive fires" PM argument). So if it suddenly came out that WTC7 really was destroyed and they had a good reason for it the seeds of doubt would be placed and they would default to return to the gatekept left. The movement needs to prepare for such an attack. A leader and a unified message is needed.

Great, save for the last.

Nominating a "leader" is a very risky thing at a time like this, a time of such flux. "Decentralized efforts" is sound game plan, but a unifying message WOULD be great.

Truth, love and responsibility, seem like good ones to push up a list.

people like to pretend the

people like to pretend the "left wing,anti war media" has power. they dont. im not giving them a pass, they are cowards and they are wrong for not being tougher, but you have to keep things in perspective. the leftwing media has no real power at all. the MSM is rightwing and a very tough place for liberals to even get booked on, let alone get a chance to say anything of substance. when someone from the leftwing media, like Malloy for intance, speaks out about 9/11 they are ignored or worse(i'll wait to see what the real reason for his firing was). people seem to think if the leftwing media all of a sudden, or prominent members of it started saying 9/11 was an inside job, the MSM would follow. remember the downing street memo anyone? how did the MSM treat that? now how did the British press treat it? im not saying we shouldnt be hard on these leftwing outlets and personalities that ignore 9/11, but dont expect them to change the world, they cant even get booked on a 5 minute segment on CNN. when Donna Brazile(centrist,establishment democrat) is the most "far left liberal" CNN books, you know there is no room for leftwing voices in the corporate MSM.

Its not about getting the

Its not about getting the MSM to cover 9/11 truth, its about not gatekeeping the truth on progressive sites. Lots of people rely on sites like thinkprogress to understand the levels of corruption that the government is stooping to. If that included 9/11 truth I would guarantee that 36% would be >50% whether the MSM covered it or not!


"What if the official story became: ”We destroyed WTC7, we had to for national security reasons. The destruction of WTC1 and 2 opened up the secure layers of defense that WTC7 had in order to protect sensitive CIA/FBI data.”"

You mean like saying "We had to kill him to save him"? Won't, can't fly. If WTC 7 were then vunerable and it's contents couldn't be protected if it were considered under real threat, then that would apply to any other government installation, including the White House, Fort Knox, yadayadayada.

It's becoming more obvious that WTC 7 had to be destroyed to cover up massive financial crimes. It always comes around to money. 9/11 was cover for the most massive "bank heist" in history.

Da Vinci Code revisited

"The greatest single obstacle to the spread of 9/11 truth is the left media."

The greatest single obstacle to the spread of the truth about the true role of Jesus is the church.

For many christians the "Da Vinci Code" represented an opportunity for christian belivers to finally speak openly about some of the more controversial preachings of the bible, like the subservient role of women.

The left gatekeepers is the restrictive church acting against the anti neo-con 9/11 truth seekers.

It's obvious the towers were

It's obvious the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions.

For goodness sakes, you can see the squibs firing as the buildings go into free fall.

I really don't know how much more obvious you can get.

911 and religion

Its imperative to understand the link between religous beliefs and how its possible to get away with 911. The current administration All emeptize their chrisitan beliefs, for the large number of republican chrisians in the states, its NO WAY they could ever belive the truth about this cuz it would turn their entire world uppside down. Right and wrong. Good and evil. The people behind knew this all along.

Ingenious , but as much as i hate to admit, Theese people are very smart.

Very well said. 9/11 truth

Very well said. 9/11 truth is out to "turn their world upside down"

The phenomenon is also known as the "Big Lie" principle:
when you tell them it was "all one big lie", people say no, they can't believe that, there has to be another explanation.
but when you tell them, look, there was a small lie about the 9/11 story, like Bush received a warning and he doesn't admit he did, then they say, ok, that's possible, they agree that Bush is not perfect.

Re: 9/11 & Religion

That is correct, except one other factor is even more insidious.
The very nature of Religion in general turns the believers brains to mush.
For instance why do you think Dubya's poll rating wont go below 30%? Because approx. 30% of this country are Fundamentalist Nutbags and frankly could careless about all the facts that prove irrefutably that this Neofascist administration is Guilty of Treason, War Crimes, Crimes against humanity and without question are responsible for the 9/11 false flag attack.

FACTS mean NOTHING to someone that have spent all of their lives denying the facts in favor of "FAITH".
These lunatics have faith in George Dubya Christ because he spews the drivel they want to hear, is against abortion, said that his little invisible friend (Jaeessuusah) put him on the throne, etc. To them he is a "godly man" and that is all they need to "believe" and they will flatly deny any and all irrefutable evidence that shows in FACT he is a LYING Neofascist, Mass murdering, War Mongering piece of shit.

These people can not be reasoned with either, no amount of hard tangible evidence makes any difference.
Think about how many of these delusional psychotics actually believe that the Earth is just 6000 years old and believe in the insanity of Creationism over the Scientifically proven Evolutionary Theory.
This is King George's "Base". We have a half wit nut (bush) led by a pack of Neofascist (PNAC) and supported 100% by 30% of this country that are delusional psychotics (Fundy Xians), so if you aren't scared yet then you haven't been paying attention.

30% of the population are

30% of the population are xtian fundy nutbags? That's indeed very worrying. I'm in Europe. We don't have that xtian variety.
Well, we have them, but not in that numbers. They are a marginalised fringegroup.
I can only hope that they never become factor in European politics.
If so, may, the wrath of Odin descend upon them.

You can be a fundamentalist

You can be a fundamentalist and be awake to what is going on, (but it is difficult)

I've spent most of my time working to wake up evangelicals and fundamentalists to the truth and it is an uphill battle, but someone has to help my Christian brothers and sisters see the light.

News editor at The Watchman Report,, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community

Excellent and succinct

These people ARE smart, and they take advantage of those who are not as much unintelligent as ignorant of reality... People interested in this aspect of the crimes of the new american century are invited to comment and expand on my most recent blog post on reality and power... looking forward to a highbrow discussion on the nature iof the current evil... :)_

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

Another favorable review - this time from Vancouver

Unfortunately the Zwicker

Unfortunately the Zwicker presentation at the Church in Van was god awful. It was too much book tour and not enough truth. He also went with the presumption that everyone there was in the know about 9/11 truth when there were large numbers who had come there to here evidence presented. Instead of presenting his arguments and evidence and logical manner he had to rely on traditional book promotional gimmicks of having someone read from his book as if we were all back in high school. Look, I like Barry and I bought his book but what he did last night in Vancouver was a bit of a set back. He had the floor and he dropped the ball. It's as simple as that. The guy needs a handler.

Zwicker presentation was great!

Zwicker gave a "faux multimedia presentation", having someone else read exceprts from his book as well as playing a couple of audio clips from his documentary. It didn't come off so well but remember you weren't watching a million dollar Hollywood production! This is community action, give it some slack.

As for talking up his book, Zwicker very logically presented material chapter by chapter of his new book. That makes sense. He wrote the book, so why should he reinvent the wheel? Zwicker also pulled no punches. He trashed Chomsky, talked demolition, false flag ops, secret government, pointed finger at culpables and more.

Most amazing part was The X-Files "The Smoking Man" William B Davis on hand to introduce Zwicker and read audience questions and ask two of his own!

The Smoking Man, was there guys!!

Anyways, here is more of my observations on Zwickers Vancouver presentation:

No, it wasn't.

No, it wasn't.

The truth is right before our eyes


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