Important Questions: What Does "Victory" Look Like?

(A response to the following thread:

As the movement gains more and more visibility and mainstream recognition, it is important for us to ask what the next steps should be and what our true goals really are.

Let us take the JFK case as an example--something like 70% of the public believe in a conspiracy, yet no justice or progress has been achieved.

9/11 Truth is on the brink of being acknowledged as a widespread (though still very fringe) alternative perspective. That doesn't mean that anything is going to change. We've got to realize that we're going up against the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT, and they're not gonna go quietly.

I personally do not expect to be able to "win" this battle and "get back to my life." Rather, this is a lifelong commitment to truth and progressive social change. If 9/11 Truth really does "come out," can you imagine what it's going to look like? What comes to your mind: Riots in the streets? A peaceful transition to fresh and honest government, media, and economic systems?

These are some of the questions that we must consider.

International Truth Movement

I see the White House,

I see the White House, already facing investigations into War Crimes, responding by pushing forward with their agenda, either in Iran, or with another false flag attack to attempt some sort of martial law.

I do not think these guys will go down quietly, their crimes are much too great. They'll try to create a situation where to take them down, you would take the US down with them.

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Victory Looks Like...

This raises a hell of a good question.

Victory has several components.

1) 9/11 Truth.... determining the facts and the truth.. and I think we are extremely close to accomplishing this...

2) Translating these facts into actionable items in a court of law to seek 9/11 Justice.

3) Extending our understanding into multiple corners of the governance of the US, and acting on what we find....

4)Transforming what we've learned into local action, politics, etc.

5) Taking back the media, or building a new one...

6) Rebuilding what it is we do and how we do it... perhaps with something like a new Constitutional Convention, reconfiguring a lot of laws (esp. re: campaign finance), and more.

I have been increasingly informed by the writings of Catherine Austin Fitts, one of the original 9/11 Truthers, on "the tapeworm economy", "coming clean", "the myth of the rule of law", etc. You could do worse than to spend some time reading the entire article at which, while it isn't about 9/11, will lead you eventually to it and, along the way, you'll recognize a lot of names...

From there, you can find your way to and its forum, which, again, aren't about 9/11 but are very much about what we do next, how we do it, etc.

the 911hoax revelation a new

the 911hoax revelation

a new kind of revolution destroying the media and bringing in a limitless information system in harmony with american constitutional ideas.

the pnac goes on trial for crimes against humanity

patriot act is repealed

old style paper voting is considered a good custom and is kept for posterity and to keep computer errors from happening

checks and balances are restored and america is realigned with the constitution and is brought in harmony with modern technology on all fronts.

iraq war ends peacefully with good will between iraq and american govt now that the pnac is brought down

open dialogue for world peace that is not about corporate profit (SUCCEEDS---PEOPLE ARE LINING UP TO BE FRIENDS WITH US IT TURNS OUT---AFTER THE BEAURACRATS ARE OUT OF THE WAY


And of course...

- The war profiteers return $300 billion dollars back into the US treasury and/or tax payers.

uhhhh, I also want my cut of the 2.3 trillion missing from the P

entagon... Anyone know if they're making progress on the search for that enormous pile of loot? A HAHA HA HAHAH! sigh...


"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

DELVER this is a GREAT question

I think any pop psychologist worth their salt will tell you that visualizing is an important step in the process of realizing a change. discussing what the likely scenarios are will help us work out how best to proceed, pitfalls to avoid, etc. I'll work on brainstorming and post more later--excellent idea!

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

that's right...

and that's why I AGREE that CGI,NPT,etc should, at the present time, not be discussed in msm. It would definitely NOT help. We need to take one step at a time. But time IS of the essence at this point.

Now that I said that I think I'll send out another batch of emails to newspapers with my Former High Level Government Insiders Speak Up About 9/11 link...