Barrie Zwicker Guest hosted RBN's "The Divided Country" - 9/1/2006

Zwicker's guest host appearance on "The Divided Kingdom" is archived here.

This program was primarily focused on an interview with Prof. Adrian Anderson of Denver Colorado; environmental issues, corporatization of Universities than it was about 9/11. Still interesting radio, however. No live calls on this broadcast.

Here is RBN's live stream:
http://rbnlive.com/listen.html

WHAT IS ON COURTTV RIGHT

WHAT IS ON COURTTV RIGHT NOW?

Why

Do you ask?

It looks like a co-op of

It looks like a co-op of Press for Truth sanitized for the masses.

Translation

Of what co-op means?

I believe it's "On Native Soil"

Which Reuters was more than happy to talk about.

"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

Will

Reuters manage to 'Press For Truth'?

Not from the looks of it.

Not from the looks of it.

Requested Definition

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source new! co-opt (k-pt, kpt) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. co-·opt·ed, co-·opt·ing, co-·opts

To take or assume for one's own use; appropriate: co-opted the criticism by embracing it.
To neutralize or win over (an independent minority, for example) through assimilation into an established group or culture: co-opt rebels by giving them positions of authority.

Yes, co-opt

Not co-op.

I get nutritional yeast and full-awful from the co-op. ;)

In Bulk....

A tangent for sure

A member of my parent's co-op in NC, owned the property that flight 93 crashed into - no shit.....

What is your opinion of

What is your opinion of "co-opts," pray tell?

Co-opting

Is utilized by opportunistic people and goes unregistered by the unquestioning masses.

its basically the "9/11 was

its basically the "9/11 was all the FAA's fault" story. On Native Soil. eck.

To JonG.......

Shouldn't we acknowledge that, even though covert elements in our government most likely had a hand in it, 9/11 is to be used as a calling for collective action to both address extremism against the US and to support our government's role securing vital resources for the long term future?

That our government probably did this, we cannot change. But shouldn't we take advantage of this moment by supporting our government's attempt to change world conditions in our favor?

You must agree that our nation faces a great challenge sustaining its current energy balance -- sustaining luxury, decadence, excessive consumption. Since our habits require so much meddling of the world, shouldn't we let those in charge meddle without question?

Who are we to expose the inside operations of these transient rulers who are at the very least trying to patch the energy gap caused by our very existence?

Why delete?

Can you understand this view?

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Guess again

Bro

Liar

It wasn't your bro, but this poster is posing.

DZ, SBG, somebody, please look at the IP addresses and take care of this.

Take care of what?

I just framed a reasonable perspective, did I not?

You just posed as an

You just posed as an imposter, did you not?

No....

That's why I call myself the Devil's Advocate.

No posing here.

You see, a devil's advocate may believe one side of an issue while arguing against it.

Nice try

No posing here = lie

Hint - IP addresses reveal this

When does

Pragmatism trump truth?

Never

Never

In our history

It has.

And often.

Your uber-comfortable life is a product of pragmatism trumping truth.

It all began a long long time ago.

Where should we begin?

I welcome this debate.

I welcome this debate.

Pragmatism trumps truth

Have you read Daniel Quinn or Howard Zinn?

The Native Americans were not non-human, they were not savage, they were refined and human.

An example:

Truth: Native Americans were humans.

Pragmatic: Native Americans were non-human and expendible.

Thank you for the shining

Thank you for the shining example of the aforementioned "co-opt."

Howard Zinn cites those examples as an indictment, not a justification.

Could you elaborate?

Thank you for the shining example of the aforementioned "co-opt."

Okay, pay attention, you

Okay, pay attention, you just cited Howard Zinn in support of the proposition that we should defer to the elite.

Enough said?

That wasn't me

I haven't been taking sides, anonymously, on the merits of co-opting.

What I say is that no matter how you think about the merits of truth today, in history, your position as a human in this world has been the product of men and societies who have chosen pragmatism over truth many many times.

I am sorry if this hurts you or if this concept is foreign.

Advocating for the Devil

You appear to be advocating for the "tapeworm economy". If you're not familiar with the term and how it works, check out http://dunwalke.com. If you are in support of what is documented there, you have sold your soul for a pocketful of mumbles.

Here's a short description of how it works:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=935...

Thanks, Devil's Advocate, but I like my karma relatively clear and my hands free of the blood of fellow human beings.

I'm willing to go down a rung on Maslow's ladder in order to help others go up a rung.

I like what Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. had to say (see my latest post http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&... ).

I like what Mary Oliver had to say: "Are you breathing just a little and calling it a life?"

You do indeed appear to be advocating for the Devil.

Mssr. Jouet

My point is that it's possible to imagine that all the Bush Co are trying to do is to preserve our high entropy lifestyle.

And if you can imagine this, then how do you propose we maintain this exuberant society?

Aren't the Bush's simply attempting to maintain - to maintain the lates and the late night lights and the general extravagance that defines our existence.

Bush Co are trying to make rich people richer...

Bush Co are trying to make rich people richer via false-flag murders. Let's end it now. Every lard-assed American family doesn't need a fleet of Eddie Bauer SUVs while others go without food.

Destruction and Creation

"It's possible to imagine that all the Bush Co are trying to do is to preserve our high entropy lifestyle" if indeed you are part of and privy to that lifestyle. Otherwise, it's possible to document definitively that they are trying to preserve THEIR high lifestyle by insuring the rapid entropy of ours, and our eventual demise.

"How do you propose we maintain this exuberant society?"

I don't. It can't be maintained. You have already described it as entropy. I propose we scale it back. I propose (actually, it's Catherine Austin Fitts' idea) that we "come clean", that we vote with our dollars and our time and attention and move what we have and can away from the "negative ROI economy", and that we begin investing in people, communities and each other, not in corporations, war, destruction, etc.

Read the thesis written by John Boyd on "Destruction and Creation".

http://www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/boyd/destruction/dest...

We have no choice but to create anew, to "improve our capacity for independent action".

Barry Zwicker's special program

Will RBN be archiving it?

Will 9/11 blogger be posting an audio link for it for those who didn't know about it and missed it?

looks like RBN archived it

Maybe someone could point to

Maybe someone could point to the mp3s? I see the weeknights 8PM CT show is

The Divided Kingdom
Hosts: Elizabeth Border and Lou Blanchard
Time: Monday-Friday, 8:00pm - 9:00pm

but nothing in that archive about tonight's show with Zwicker.

http://www.rbnlive.com/archiveindex.html

New Thread

That wasn't me
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 11:03pm.
I haven't been taking sides, anonymously, on the merits of co-opting.

What I say is that no matter how you think about the merits of truth today, in history, your position as a human in this world has been the product of men and societies who have chosen pragmatism over truth many many times.

I am sorry if this hurts you or if this concept is foreign.
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I am continuing this here to avoid the skinny posts.

To you, imposter, I will only say that we have been overcoming your oppression throughout the centuries.

Every ounce of human progress has been the result of those who seek the truth vanquishing "pragmatists" such as yourself.

Well,

I may be pragmatic....

But what I have been trying to say here is that our (you and me) lofty postion, to be bloggers and readers and meat eaters and SUV drivers and electricity users and on and on, is the product of people before us who have chosen pragmatism over truth. Hail Caesar?

Speak for yourself. I view

Speak for yourself.

I view my privilege with a sense of responsibility to my fellow man.

You would use it to divide us. Sorry, not today.