Okay. Thank you. But that procedure doesn't work for the video files. WMP won't play MPEG-4. A lot of times here we get MPEG-4 files only, many of which I would love to see, but can't. That is very frustrating, and I'm sure it's obstructing many people from seeing some important videos.
Again, the big tool the criminal elements in our govt have is another 911 attack. We need to be super vigilant and call our local govt to prevent all military exercises so we don't have another false flag attack. www.falseflagnews.com
I only heard an hour of this talk but the last thing Alex said was that NIST is considering that bombs went off in WTC 7. Wow, that could blow the whole 911 truth into the mainstream.
Now, these wicked people in our govt are going to become the most desperate. Tell everyone you can about the false flag operations because that is what they are going to try to do.
Another thing Alex said was that Bush was overheard telling the Israelis to attack Lebanon so that this would be a curtain raising for the attack on IRAN.
THIS IS COMPLETE LUNACY. WE HAVE LUNATICS AT THE HELM. An attack on IRAN means nuclear fallout, nuclear bombs and millions dead. And all in the name of the terror war that wasn't.
These leaders have lost all sanity.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 6:31pm.
Incorrect. They are following their instructions to the letter. Their puppet masters also know EXACTLY what they are doing.
Need proof?
5 years ago they made a big move... and they got away with it. They will get away with it FOREVER. There will be no such thing as 911-truth day and no perps will be locked up.
How do I know this?
As long as there are fools that say Chomsky is an asset of the new world order, there are enough misguided people that you can play-off against each other.
People who cannot understand the coarser points that chomsky makes cannot be expected to be smart enough to know what to do against the masters-of-the-world.
These people can do 911... and reap the benefits.
Does that not speak for itself?
They LOVE gun-nuts and NWO-paranoids. They planted these memes ON PURPOSE so that "the bewildered herd" stays just what it is.
Between you and me: World Government will mean ILO-rules of 14weeks paid parental leave, 6 weeks paid holidays, low-cost health-benefits, no poverty, justice-that-deserves-the-name, powerless corporations, powerful parliaments, true-democracy, remediation-of-the-environment, accountable-authorities, transparent-bureaucracy, life-sentence-for-white-collar-murderers, outlawed guns, nuclear-free-world .. in short MUCH LESS FEAR... and thereby jobs in theater, music, arts
Your current puppet masters HATE the civilizing effect of the European Union and its social-welfare and environmental laws and they tell everyone that IT CANNOT WORK.
Fact:
USA infrastructure is crumbling... Even Waikiki is not safe to swim, the sewers broke! YUK!! you filthy swines!
Compare this with Germany which has the FOURTH generation of bullet trains, and the propagandised brits were so impressed that the newspapers were allowed to write about it:
(The New Zealand version is uncensored, probably because it was sent to meet their deadline, before the slanting room got it)
Efficient transport. Modern cities. An independent foreign policy. Germans have lots to smile about. Picture / Reuters.
Who'd have thought? Germany's quite nice
Thursday June 29, 2006
By Steve Richards
And the winner of the World Cup is ... Germany. Yes, I know they face Argentina in the quarter-finals on Friday and could be out of the competition by the weekend. But it does not matter. They have already won.
The army of British journalists and English fans pay daily homage to the Germany they have discovered during the World Cup. This is Germany's historic victory. The reporting of the football is interspersed with spontaneous praise from fans and journalists about the ease of travel from city to city, the cleanliness of the towns, the class of the accommodation, the cycle-friendly paths that compete with the best in Holland, and the ability of cities to stage late-night festivals without them ending in a drunken brawl.
The German team is also playing quite well, of course.
Neither the British journalists nor the fans can entirely believe what they are experiencing. For two decades at least they have been brainwashed into thinking that Europe in general and Germany in particular is not working while Britain is thriving.
In Britain, the Eurosceptic media is powerful enough to change minds on its own. But in this case the newspapers fight their cause in alliance with politicians who also spread poison about a mythical "Europe".
Check out this sentence:
Those visiting Germany from Britain are therefore the equivalent of Soviet travellers in the 1960s and 1970s, discovering to their bewilderment that there were attractive alternatives in the West. As they leave the football stadia with efficient ease, sit on the cheap trains that take them to their next venue, the English wonder whether Europe is so bad after all.
For more than two decades, British leaders have lectured Europe on the best ways of governing. With an insular arrogance, they have insisted that the continent would be much better off if it obeyed their modernising crusade.
Admittedly, in the message has been confused. British leaders tell France how to govern. Then they send British patients to French hospitals because the decrepit NHS cannot cope.
Still, the confusion is lost in the stridency of the message: only the Anglo-Saxon model works! Britain follows US foreign policy and is similarly influenced in economic policy.
As a result, Britain stands proud and the likes of poor old Germany lag behind. Keep clear of Europe!
Yet on a range of policy areas Germany is vindicated. Productivity is high. Across a range of indicators the economic performance of the old West Germany is as impressive as that of Britain. Germany has sustained a high level of public spending over a long period. Its infrastructure does not creak precariously.
All of this has been achieved in spite of the stress caused by reunification. If Britain had been faced with a similar challenge it would have lapsed into recession for decades.
And then there's Germany's political system, which, as New Zealanders know, ensures that no one faction can monopolise Government policy.
In advance of the war against Iraq there was much patronising talk within Downing Street about weak old Gerhard Schroeder who would like to be a world player by supporting the conflict but had to keep a pathetic eye on his precarious coalition.
The deluded view from Downing Street was that Schroeder could not govern strongly.
This compared with our mighty Prime Minister, who was allowed to decide for himself that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Britain would stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the US.
Indeed, it has been Blair's presidential freedom to declare war on a regular basis that turned him finally against electoral reform.
He felt he needed the space to act as he saw fit and would not support a voting system that might restrict him.
What a shame there was no counter-pressure to block his determination to support George W. Bush, and to be seen supporting the US President, as there was in Germany.
If there had been a different voting system in Britain, Blair would not have been allowed to invade Iraq.
There are lessons to be learnt, and it seems that even the US is again warming to European ways. On a recent trip to Washington, former British minister Denis MacShane said that to his surprise the overwhelming message from the State Department was, "We are all Europeans now."
Yet most of the time it is the fantastical nightmare of "Europe" that traps British politicians.
No doubt, too, when the England fans and the journalists return from Germany their memories will fade. Britons who holiday in France rave about the availability of GPs at weekends, the efficiency of trains and the overall quality of life.
Then they come home and become convinced within a week or two about the perils of "Europe".
So next time a deluded British leader lectures about the failings of "Europe", the British should think of the modern trains running on time and compare them to Britain's privatised monstrosities and their 200 ticket options, nearly all absurdly expensive.
They should consider Germany's sustained investment in public services compared with their own, starved of cash for three decades, showered with money for three years, and about to be starved again.
They should reflect on a German foreign policy that saw through the dangers of forming a subservient relationship with the divided Bush Administration as it bombed Iraq.
When Britain is told that its primary duty is to follow the United States in its foreign adventures and adopt its economic liberalism in all manifestations, it should remember what happened when Germany staged the World Cup and won.
- INDEPENDENT
And England's infrastructure is in better nick than the USA's. Except for the military of course.
You see, you americans will easily be divided. When you will have to choose between
- Peace-n-Love-n-Democracy (and poverty when you have to pay up)
and
- Violent Rule (the rich stay rich, the rest gets by on a diet of dreams and long work hours)
That's an interesting post u2 and one in which I agree in part. However, I think you are mistaken to think "world government" would bring the kind of benefits you envision. I doubt Chomsky would think so either.
Anarchism is about decentralization and federation, not a "world government" centered in Brussels with power beyond Bush's wildest dreams. No, world government is not only impossible, it is impractical. There'd be a rebellion popping up in some corner of the globe every five minutes. It just wouldn't work. It's the wrong direction to move in -- complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated. Centralization of power is inefficient. Anarchism is about a parallel tendency toward unity and maximum diversity -- bottom up, not top down.
I agree however that the elite would much prefer people worrying about the Bilderberg group than reading Chomsky and starting small small cooperatives based on anti-hierarchy, egalitarianism and so on. If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 8:18pm.
how dare you answering an interesting post with
a boring one!
I think you are mistaken to think "world government" would bring the kind of benefits you envision. I doubt Chomsky would think so either.
NWO has been hammered into US american patridiots.
You are nuts to think that an ACTUAL SINGULAR world government is anything more than a puerile fantasy, or
a dictator's wet dream.
And you are a propagandist by inspiring fear of such
a strawman.
Of course there will be no world-government in the sense of Brussels ruling Papua New Guinea.
However, there will be some universally enforcable laws, maybe even enforced by Brussels. The world will be governed by THE IDEAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, and the "government", i.e. the enforcers, will themselves be held accountable.
Jesus, if I have to explain THIS to you...
where will I stop? Maybe with the most fundamental moral (and anarchist!) rule that what goes for you, also goes for me?
Anarchism is about decentralization and federation, not a "world government" centered in Brussels with power beyond Bush's wildest dreams.
How would YOU know? Are you intentionally writing
bullshit to confuse the others?
LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
brain-wash-vistims like you:
Anarchism is NOT NECESSARILY about decentralisation, and
certainly not about Brussel's or Bush's power, it is about POWER, period.
If the community decides that a decentralised aspect
works better, they have the power to adopt it.
Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.
No, world government is not only impossible, it is impractical.
You have been shat in the brain by 30years business-round-table propaganda. For SOME things centralisation and world government is IMMENSELY practical, if fact its the only way it can work.
Example: TAX FRAUD / TAX HAVENS.
The corporations and their bought IDEOLOGISTS
preach privatisation, because they can exert the
power with their lawyers. They utilise centralisation
because it is more efficient. They have corrupted the law, too.
please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF
... complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated.
Anarchism is about a parallel tendency toward unity and maximum diversity -- bottom up, not top down.
inside out and round and round, right?
la, la, lala lala la.
WTF are you?
I agree however that the elite would much prefer people worrying about the Bilderberg group than reading Chomsky and starting small small cooperatives based on anti-hierarchy, egalitarianism and so on. If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
Wow. That *sounds* very educated .... but where can I read such a critique?
By goddess, why would Chomsky be against democracy of any kind? Or against a constitution?
“You are nuts to think that an ACTUAL SINGULAR world government is anything more than a puerile fantasy, or
a dictator's wet dream.”
Me:
Actually that was my point. It would never work. You didn’t make that clear in your post however. So I responded. No need to get hysterical. We probably have fairly similar beliefs.
U2:
“However, there will be some universally enforcable laws, maybe even enforced by Brussels. The world will be governed by THE IDEAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, and the "government", i.e. the enforcers, will themselves be held accountable.”
Me:
Presumably you’re talking about delegation as opposed to (faux) representation, in which case I agree; ‘government’ becomes integrated into individual communities and federated horizontally.
The question of laws is more complex however. I prefer the idea of "lenes".
"Tribal laws are lenes by definition - they are received rules and guidelines for behavior in a society that have evolved, withstood the test of time and work in their environments. Tribal laws aren't introduced in committee, debated by tribal lobbyists and lawmakers, written in stone in the big book of tribal laws or enforced by the tribal policemen. Tribal laws are unique for each society because each society inhabits a unique environment - what works for an aggressive, xenophobic desert people wouldn't necessary work for laid-back, hospitable forest dwellers. Tribal laws generally don’t try to change human nature because people are just as likely to be selfish, boorish, disruptive or hostile as they are to be generous, gracious, attentive or peaceable. As lenes they instead work to bring the system back into balance and to correct the damage that occurs when people do behave in ways that aren’t beneficial. Tribal laws and lenes don’t require people to be angels in order to work - they accept the fact that people will behave like people have always behaved.”
Also see “anarchism as moral theory”
A chief aim of anarchist praxis, then, must be the abolition of codified, formal laws: "Anarchism . . . has from the time of Godwin rejected all written laws" (Kropotkin 1968:176). Instead, the community would be "regulated by customs, habits and usages" (1968:201), as well as the urges of conscience experienced by each of its members. The anarchist view, again, is that reference to external, written laws represents an abdication of the subject's capacity for moral self-direction -- an essential element of a social order without institutional coercion. As Kropotkin opines (1968:197): "We are so perverted by an education which from infancy seeks to kill in us the spirit of revolt, and to develop that of submission to authority; we are so perverted by this existence under the ferrule of a law, which regulates every event in life -- our birth, our education, our development, our love, our friendship -- that, if this state of things continues, we shall lose all initiative, all habit of thinking for ourselves." Moreover, codified laws require some institutional body for administration and enforcement, whereas internalized social norms can serve to cultivate deeper instincts for determining "right" and "wrong" by promoting broader access to the community's moral pulse.[*fn2]
Finally, I would recommend taking a look at Zinn’s article on the Bill of Rights.
This is a somewhat controversial matter. Chomsky believes in “expanding the floor of the cage” by protecting some state institutions against private power; others believe in building up organic communities completely outside of the state paradigm; others believe in a dual approach.
U2:
“LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
brain-wash-vistims like you:”
Me:
I’m not American, and yes I’ve read Graeber. Your hysterical response to my post is completely unwarranted.
U2:
"Anarchism is NOT NECESSARILY about decentralisation, and
certainly not about Brussel's or Bush's power, it is about POWER, period."
Me:
I’ll refer to you to Chomsky, whose take is consistent with 90% of other anarchist thinkers;
"Well, first of all, agreements don’t require centralized authority, certain kinds of agreements do. One’s assumption, at least, is that decentralization of power will lead to decisions that reflect the interests of the entire population. The idea is that policies flowing from any kind of decision-making apparatus are going to tend to reflect the interests of the people involved in making the decisions—which certainly seems plausible. So if a decision is made by some centralized authority, it is going to represent the interests of the particular group which is in power. But if power is actually rooted in large parts of the population—if people can actually participate in social planning—then they will presumably do so in terms of their own interests, and you can expect the decisions to reflect those interests. Well, the interest of the general population is to preserve human life; the interest of corporation is to make profits—those are fundamentally different interests."
U2:
"If the community decides that a decentralised aspect
works better, they have the power to adopt it.
Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.”
Me:
Self-determination is not possible without decentralization. Centralized power forces disparate groups into procrustean molds, otherwise known as the statist or “cookie-cutter” approach.
The anarchist economy "starts from below, not from above. Like an organism, this free society grows into being from the simple unit up to the complex structure. The need for . . . the individual struggle for life . . . is . . .sufficient to set the whole complex social machinery in motion. Society is the result of the individual struggle for existence; it is not, as many suppose, opposed to it." [George Barrett]
As Tom Brown argued, the "syndicalist mode of organisation is extremely elastic, therein is its chief strength, and the regional confederations can be formed, modified, added to or reformed according to local conditions and changing circumstances." [Syndicalism, p. 58]
U2:
“please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF”
Me:
Bin there done that.
... complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated.
U2:
"please explain what you mean there."
Me:
The cybernetic mathematician John B. McEwan, writing on the
relevance of anarchism to cybernetics explains:
Libertarian socialists, synonym for non-indvidualist anarchism, especially Kropotkin and Landauer, showed an early grasp of the complex network of changing relationships, involving many structures of correlated activity and mutual aid, independent of authoritarian coercion. It was against this background that they developed their theories of social organiza-tion....[8]
The increasing complexity of society is making anarchism MORE and NOT LESS relevant to modern life. It is precisely this complexity and diversity, above all their overriding concern for freedom and human values that led the anar-chist thinkers to base their ideas on the principles of diffusion of power, self-management and federalism. The greatest attribute of the free society is that it is self-regulating and "bears within itself the seeds of its own re-generation" (Buber)
John Kenneth Galbraith in the "New Industrial State" wrote, "In giant indus-trial corporations AUTONOMY IS NECESSARY FOR BOTH AND SMALL DECISIONS AND...LARGE QUESTIONS OF POLICY...the comparative advantages of atomic and molecularfor the generation of scientists, technical, economic, and planning judge-ments. ONLY A COMMITTEE, OR MORE PRECISELY, A COMPLEX OF COMMITTEES CAN COMBINE THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT MUST BE BROUGHT TO BEAR...(p.111). THE EFFECT OF THE DENIAL OF AUTONOMY AND THE INABILITY OF THE TECHONOSTRUCTURE(coporate centralized industry) TO ACCOMODTE ITSELF TO CHANGING TASKS HAS BEEN VISIBLY DEFICIENT OPERATIONS...THE LARGER AND MORE COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS ARE,THE MORE THEY MUST BE DECENTRALIZED..." (emphasis in all above quote has beenadded)
The reviewers of John M. Blair's critique of economic centralization (New York Times Book Review, 9-10-72) find that Blair's researches are most impressive in debunking the myth that large scale, centralized enterprises are more efficient...the largest railroad in America, Penn Central, couldn't keep track of its boxcars...The most successful of all industrial behemoths, General Motors, long ago decentralized its operations; only the profits are concentrated."
U2:
"Efficiency is NOT the same as GOOD.
Hitler was very efficient in killing jews."
Me:
Yes point taken there. I assumed we were talking about “efficiency” in terms of what is good for human beings.
If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
U2:
"Wow. That *sounds* very educated .... but where can I read such a critique?
By goddess, why would Chomsky be against democracy of any kind? Or against a constitution?"
Me:
Because Chomsky insn’t a constitutionalist, and he doesn’t believe American “democracy’ is any such thing.
"...[T]he main designer, James Madison, was an astute, political thinker, and also a very lucid one. His views largely prevailed. Madison eloquently upheld the call for the preservation of the sacred faith, or the sacred fire, of liberty that he wrote into George Washington's Inaugural Address. But it's important to understand his quite clear and explicit ideas about the kind of liberty that had to be preserved. These ideas perhaps come out most clearly in the debates on the constitutional convention in 1787. Madison focused on England naturally -- that's the model for a democratic society that they would look at at the time. He pointed out that, I'm quoting him "in England at this day, if elections were opened to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure, and agrarian law would soon take place." What we would call agrarian reform would infringe on property rights. The sacred fire of liberty that he spoke of is to burn most brightly to preserve the rights to own property, which are privileged above all others. Madison went on in the debates to warn that the new government that they were framing, that they were constructing, had to be designed in such a way to ward off the injustice that would come from a functioning democracy, as in the example mentioned. That is, I'm quoting him again, "it would have to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation with a variety of devices to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority."...meaning that democracy has to be a very limited system. That remained the guiding principle of the framing of the constitution up until today, not only here but also in the forms of democracy that the United States has been willing to tolerate elsewhere...
Just because I am a woman I am NOT hysterical @#$%^&
> We probably have fairly similar beliefs.
You said that before. That's suspicious!
> The question of laws is more complex however.
> I prefer the idea of "lenes".
well, how about a "lene" then, that outlaws whaling of
humpback?
> Tribal laws are unique for each society
Isn't there very much a world society now?
> Tribal laws and lenes don’t require people to be angels
It has to be said.. We are not angels.
Great wisdom.
> rejected all written laws" (Kropotkin 1968:176).
So, you are one of those now?
> Instead, the community would be "regulated by customs,
> habits and usages" (1968:201)
in the USA it is customary that unelected corporations
rule. It is the habit of the people to accept that, and
they use this fact in many ways.
Your intellectual references are contrived.
How about you said something we all WISH to understand.
Like, in your own words.
> subject's capacity for moral self-direction
contradicts the non-angel argument.
> This is a somewhat controversial matter. Chomsky believes
> in “expanding the floor of the cage” by protecting some
> state institutions against private power; others believe
> in building up organic communities completely outside of
> the state paradigm; others believe in a dual approach.
Tomorrow the day will have 24 hours again.
Let me get you the exact Chomsky quote:
In today's world, I think,
the goals of a committed anarchist
should be to defend some state institutions
from the attack against them,
while trying at the same time
to pry them open to more meaningful public participation
- and ultimately, to dismantled them
in a much more free society,
if the appropriate circumstances can be achieved.
Noam Chomsky
Power & Prospects isbn 1-86448-112-9 page 75
>> U2:
>> “LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
>> brain-wash-vistims like you:”
> Me:
> I’m not American, and yes I’ve read Graeber. Your
> hysterical response to my post is completely unwarranted.
DON'T KEEP SAYING HYSTERICAL.. thats a sexist statement!!!
>> Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.”
> Self-determination is not possible without
> decentralization. Centralized power forces disparate
> groups into procrustean molds, otherwise known as the
> statist or “cookie-cutter” approach.
That is indeed a problem.
>> please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
>> please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
>> please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF”
>Bin there done that.
I don't believe you. Without looking it up, prove that you have seen "the century of self".
>>> ... complex societies require maximum decentralization;
>>> corporations realize this -- only their profits are
>>> concentrated.
>> "please explain what you mean there."
> The cybernetic mathematician John B. McEwan,
blah blah..
> John Kenneth Galbraith in the "New Industrial State"
> wrote, "In giant indus-trial corporations AUTONOMY IS
> NECESSARY FOR BOTH AND SMALL DECISIONS AND...LARGE
> QUESTIONS OF POLICY...the comparative advantages of
> atomic and molecular for the generation of scientists,
> technical, economic, and planning judge-ments. ONLY A
> COMMITTEE, OR MORE PRECISELY, A COMPLEX OF COMMITTEES CAN
> COMBINE THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT MUST BE BROUGHT
> TO BEAR...(p.111). THE EFFECT OF THE DENIAL OF AUTONOMY
> AND THE INABILITY OF THE TECHONOSTRUCTURE (corporate
> centralized industry) TO ACCOMODTE ITSELF TO CHANGING
> TASKS HAS BEEN VISIBLY DEFICIENT OPERATIONS...THE LARGER
> AND MORE COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS ARE,THE MORE THEY MUST BE
> DECENTRALIZED..." (emphasis in all above quote has
> been added)
That's just ONE person, CLAIMING IT.
I believe that in a modern computer-controlled society
centralization is the main modus operandi for corporations.
Galbraith is dead, isn't he?
Glabraith also said:
Once the great dialectic was capital versus Labour.
Now it's the conflict between the comfortable and
the deprived.
And the comfortable see government as the threat, because
it is the only hope for the deprived.
I see great sense in having a cool, big government.
I want bullet-trains and classy passenger-jets, and
universal laws restricting the excesses of the rich.
I begin to believe that you are stuck in the past.
> The reviewers of John M. Blair's critique of economic
> centralization (New York Times Book Review, 9-10-72) find
yeah blah blah.
In my book it is centralized if an enterprise works
together with lots of decentralised subsidiaries.
I recommend you go an life in Germany for a while.
From my experience they have a clear understanding
of the beauty of centralized power:
There will be a civil war before Americans accept a country like you describe. We are charitable people and naive as hell, but not so long ago our ancestors busted their asses for breadcrumbs. We are armed and ready and will not go back to that way of living.
The next attack will be be biological or chemical. The government needs to keep its sheep contained and isolated from the world. Be prepared people, the next one will be big and I gather it will be before mobs convene on D.C. and New York for the Sept. 11th anniversary. We need terror in our hearts again.
There will be a civil war before Americans accept a country like you describe.
You may be wrong. There are many people that know how useless violence is.
We are charitable people
about average. However you are above average braggarts.
and naive as hell,
I think this may be a myth, too. Wily, maybe?
According to CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN there are some class-A con-men amongst yous.
but not so long ago our ancestors busted their asses for breadcrumbs.
Yes, the many honest ones. But there were quite a few who killed Native Americans, exploited chinese workers and defrauded the many honest ones. There were also many who died for more worker's rights. I can recommend the PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES by Howard ZINN.
We are armed and ready and will not go back to that way of living.
armed and ready to kill others... that part is true.
But even that is just a function of forced circumstances.
If you Americans are allowed to think for yourselves, and you are free to act... yes, indeed many a good thing can come of it.
I agree that most rich people, when being faced with givin up their riches, or alternatively kill strangers... will do the latter.... IF THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
The next attack will be be biological or chemical.
maybe true. But the military arseholes have an aversion against bio/chem weapons. They know that once they are used, all their military might is not much good, because either they defend corpses, or become corpses themselves.
The government needs to keep its sheep contained and isolated from the world. Be prepared people, the next one will be big and I gather it will be before mobs convene on D.C. and New York for the Sept. 11th anniversary. We need terror in our hearts again.
Nice black comedy..
seriously... I concur with the Loose Change 3some. The perps CANNOT do another one...
They don't want a reminder of Anthrax-attacks.. it will mean to many unanswered questions.
And where are you from? And why is your cuntry so bloody amazing? Australia maybe? A nice muslim spice island. We may currently be braggerts, but we are also dedicated to old patriotic ways, and NOT the ways of the current administration. Yes, violence is useless, but when I have government intruders at my door, their brains will be but a beautiful palate upon my doorstep.
Does anyone else have problems downloading some of these larger files from 911podcasts?
Using Firefox, I'm on my 5th attempt now to download the WHOLE 24 MB mp3 of this talksports show. It begins, it makes progress, few MBs or even tens of MBs, then just stops and reports it's completed, when infact it only grabbed a fraction of the file. It even tells the proper total file size as it's downloading, 24 MB in this case, and how much progress it's made, so it SHOULD know that when it only gets 10 MBs, it's NOT DONE.. but yet it reports "Done."
I recall the same thing happened with the CSPAN .wmv file which was around 180 MBs... took be multiple tries, and finally got the whole file. I don't know what the rhyme or reason is to success vs failure.
I did just try to download the Jones file with MS IE, and it acted the same, cutting short after just a few MBs, and saying it was completed.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 8:58pm.
how Alex Jones's Prison Planet website now has the most ridiculous bright red & yellow advertisement at the very top of the page, where for any new visitors to his site, it's the first thing that they see.
Especially since he's trying to position himself as the defacto "leader" of 9/11 truth -- even though in the past, he's said otherwise. And since his traffic might be significantly higher as of late, with the 5th anniversary approaching, and with world events as they are, more people willing to look at alternative theories and explanations regarding 9/11. And since his sites are pretty popular, with a lot of new people possibly visiting because friends or family members have told them about it. And because of the repeated mention of his website addresses on Alan Colmes' radio show when Alex was recently a guest.
Then -- as if the advertisement wasn't already crazy enough, both in color and content -- the very next thing that a new visitor sees is the neon green "Terrorstorm" advertisement, which is quite possibly the most amateur looking text/graffic that has been featured at Prison Planet ever. What happened to the slicker title graffic?
Does anyone else see the discreditory value of purposely having the very first things that new visitors see, being the most amateur looking garbage?
Too suspicious.
Add one more reason to the list of why I believe that Alex Jones is a fraud.
I don't think Alex Jones is a fraud. Well it depends how you define fraud. I certainly don't think he's an agent, but then I don't think he has any solutions worth talking about either. He's just an extremely paranoid paleoconservative with a primitive sense of aesthetics.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 9:59pm.
eh, not really, i hate his politics in a lot of ways, he thinks global warming is some kind of fraud and global conspiracy that all the scientists of the world are in on, which is laughable,he drops the ball regularly when he has politicians on, and he is too "flashy" for lack of a better word, with his style, but i think people here are obbsessed with bashing him and nitpicking him to death. he is an asset to truth and the flow of information. real information. people may show up on his website and be turned off by the colors you speak of, but that doesnt mean the content of the important stories he regularly posts are not gonna be read. Alex Jones gets micomanaged like crazy around here. some people are friggin obbsessed.
I thought he was an agent for awhile. Wondering if he would not touch on a topic or be selective like Chomsky but he talks about everything tainted vaccines, 9/11 and even Chemtrails.
Alex Jones regularly mentions the Rothchilds and Rockefellers even people you never hear of anywhere else, even in alternative news.
Now i look at other tv and radio hosts and i wonder why they don't name names like Alex does.
Alex is loud and abnoxious but he has drawn attention to the worlds "real history" like no one else. As for ads or cheesy banners on his sites. He has 5 sites and a level of quality to maintain in his movies or events or people call him an amateur. Good for him making money with the truth because way to many make it from lies.
"I thought he was an agent for awhile. Wondering if he would not touch on a topic or be selective like Chomsky but he talks about everything tainted vaccines, 9/11 and even Chemtrails."
Does he talk about the factory takeovers in Argentina? Does he talk about the current rate of extinction? Does he talk about Co2 emissions? Labor conditions in 19C Amerika? Does he mention how anarchists and socialists are responsible for ending child labor in Amerika and instituting a minimum wage? Does he talk about alternatives to capitalism and Marxism? Does he talk about Madison's opinions on the "minority of the opulent" in the Federalist papers? Does he talk about the Trilateral Commission's terror in the 1960's over the "excess' of democracy?
And so on and so forth.
Jones is fine for conspiracy ranting, but for solutions and core analysis I'll take Chomsky any day.
Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 11:38pm.
Chomsky is a gatekeeping old, out of touch jackoff that keeps people like you(not you specifically) going in circles while getting NOTHING done. his east timor work has really changed the world huh? give me a fucking break.
Noam Chomsky - Controlled
Asset Of The New
World Order
Commentary
By Daniel L. Abrahamson DLAmedia@yahoo.com
9-27-5
"Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge. Furthermore, he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he never mentions the Federal Reserve and their role in manipulating the cycle of debt. Similarly, he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur..."
Noam Chomsky is often hailed as America's premier dissident intellectual, a fearless purveyor of truth fighting against media propaganda, murderous U.S. foreign policy, and the crimes of profit-hungry transnational corporations.
He enjoys a slavish cult-like following from millions leftist students, journalists, and activists worldwide who fawn over his dense books as if they were scripture. To them, Chomsky is the supreme deity, a priestly master whose logic cannot be questioned. http://www.rense.com/general67/noam.htm
The Chomsky/Blankfort Polemic
It's interesting that newspapers note as do newscasters on the air, that no criticism is likely to be made of Israel by the president or members of Congress during an election year but they never explain why. The left, led by Chomsky, pretends to be unaware that the question even exists. http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/1727000.php
Where Noam will not roam:
Chomsky manufactures consent by supporting the official stories of 9/11 and JFK
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
- Noam Chomsky
"I agree that Professor Chomsky is not a CIA agent. But with respect to his pronouncements on the JFK assassination he is worse than a CIA agent. Without being an agent, with his enormous prestige as a thinker, as an independent radical, as a courageous man, he does the work of the agency. ... He is unconvinced by the evidence of a conspiracy, but his is utterly convinced that JFK was a consummate cold warrior who could not have changed and did nothing to irritate the military industrial intelligence complex."
- Vincent Salandria http://www.oilempire.us/chomsky.html
Chomsky has NOTHING on Alex JOnes because Alex Jones isnt some elitist control valve like your boy Chomsky. Alex Jones is far from perfect, hes downright annoying sometimes, but his work is important and hes doesnt censor himself like Chomsky does. you fell for it.
solutions? has Chomsky solved anything or has he just ranted about those things you listed without any real results? conspiracy talk you say? you mean like 9/11? JFK? were they not conspiracies? are they not worth talking about? according to your hero Chosmky, no, they should be ignored at all costs. what a douche.
I have been coming to this site for better part of year now, and I like it....Good site lot's of info updated regularly..I figured I would get my feet wet on this thread and make my first post..... :)
No, Alex is not a Fraud...the man is obnoxoius, loud, even exaggerate's from time to time, but he's not a fraud....he believes in what he is doing, so do I, and ALOT of people in this country...I woke up to the new world order because of him, and have an EMENCE amount of respect for the man, I personally consider Alex a modern day Paul Revere....As far as the banners go I think it cost's ALOT of money to keep up all the websites he has, and although I don't like those banners, the bills still have to get paid, and this is one way to do it....Besides I have no problem with him making money off the truth, Like somebody said earlier.....
I was wondering if you guys over here notice a every time there is a BIG news about 9/11 there is a terror video released by the evil empire? Example.....Nist is going to investigate wether WTC 7 was downed by bombs. Within 48 hours of that news, An Al Zarwahiri(Bin Laden's # 2)video tape was released... Back in June Dr. Jones went public about the thermate and then with in 24 hours there was a Bin Laden Audio tape, and with in 48 hours, there was an Al Zarwahiri video tape and with in a week Zarqawi was dead in Iraq....
These are not coincidences, I have watched the truth movement in real time headed by Alex Jones actually MAKE the establishment respond....Next time Major news about 9/11 comes out, watch the establishment's response...
Alex is a good guys on our side......
Mikey Mayhem (not verified) on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 12:19am.
and this interview is awesome. Alex is doing a really fantastic job.
You've got to take his grandstanding and his fundamentalist Christian Patriotism with a shaker of salt. You don't have to believe everything he says, but you can't deny that he's a necessary voice, he's got a phenomenal memory, and he's got his finger on the pulse of the NWO.
This is going to be kinda long, But take 6-7 Minutes and read it all, I feel it is important for us to know. Some of it you may already know but i want to add it all in.
First In 1962 Operation Northwoods was Introdused to JFK, He said no, and was killed in 1963, I think because he stood in the way of the NWO and People in the Govt killed him and may have framed Lee Oswald. After his death in 1963. Something happened in 1964, Not to familar with it, But in 1964 I think America attacked its own people. I also heard something similar may have happened in 1967. I am 100% Possitive it happened in 1953.
He hides behind the christian Faith, In order to decieve the american public b/c most are christian.
Christians Arent Members of Bohemian Grove and meet every July and go nude in a coffin and get born again to Lucifer.. And practice Mock child sacrices to the owl (Which is on the $1 Bill)
These people Meet Every July in northern Calirfornia and do this crap, I also heard in the 80's People were murdered on camera for fun.
These people believe lucifer is God, and Believe he will rein for 1000 years. This is what the New World Order is about.
Bush said "You are with us...Or you are with the terrorist"
If you arw christian You are considered the terrorist. They want everybody to join this Lucifer Worshipping NWO.
In order to Prove YOU ARE NOT a TERRORIST you will have to take an RFID Verichip IN your RIGHT HAND or FOREHEAD, and Pleage Alliance to Lucifer and the NWO.
They are 600-800 Consentration Camps in america Ready to go.
I posted this earlier but I wanna do it again to help getting a better idea on the timeframe, Here is some insight on Bohemian Grove:
Bohemian Grove:
Before I start Talking about Bohemian Grove, I just want you all to know that I strongly Recommend that you do not discuss this in public or Talk about this where People can hear you. This is something that people who participate in Bohemian Grove, do not want anybody to know about what goes on in Northern California Every July. I can not be held responsible for any Illegal actions taking by evil politicians or members of Bohemian Grove.
Bohemian Grove first started in 1872 and and Located on 2700-acres of Land Near the Town of ForestVille, CA and about 10 Miles WNW of Santa Rosa, CA. It was first started as an arts Club, But later and quickly changed. Every July All kinds Of Leaders in Government, Politics and Business Tycoons, usually not more then 2000-2500 members gather here for a period of about 2 weeks Around Mid-July. Only men are allowed to join Bohemian Grove. So This is coming up again for the 134th annual gathering as we go into the Bohemian Grove of 2006.
There are rituals that go on inside Bohemian Grove, supposedly by Pagans and Satanists Alike. These go on for a period of 2 weeks, and the rituals include owl worship and worship of other false gods. Bohemian Grove started in 1872, However these Satanist rituals and owl worship didnt begin until 1873. The Owl worship is an Owl statue appox. 40 feet high and is called Moloch. There is also talk these people either wear black and white robes or do not wear any clothes at all. About 20% of the members engage in public homosexual activities. There Main headquarters is in the Bohemian building in San Francisco.
Do you have a dollar bill in front of you? Take a dollar Bill and on the Front of the dollar near the One, The owl that is worshipped is located between the 1 and the Leaves. Here you can see it better here:
Scroll Down to about Half way And you will see the Owl. You can also read more about Bohemian Grove grove there if you like.
Also notice how the Owl of Bohemian Grove is on the 1 Dollar Bill. I will tell you how 9/11 is on the 10 and 20 Dollar Bills, when I talk about 9/11 in a future Conspiracy, Most people already know there its there, But I will re-share it anyways, just in case you do not know. It tells me how 9/11 was an inside job. I will talk about that in about 2 weeks from now. As for now lets continue with Bohemian Grove.
Our current President, George W Bush as well as other Members of Government have been and continue to goto Bohemian Grove. Other Members such as: Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush, Alan Greenspan, Dwight Einenhower, Robert Novak, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Dick Cheney.
Mock Child Sacrifices Have not Started Until Around the Early 20th Century. Mock Child Sacrifices have been caught on tape by Alex Jones and Printed in the pamplets at Bohemian Grove. These Sacrifices and Rituals are done for the owl statues and pagan gods.
The reason None of these people ever faces charges is Because the world is Corrupt and evil, and Because they are all in it together. Also people who do reports about Bohemian Grove or capture footage of any of this usually Disappear. Alex Jones is an exception.
Here is the 2700 Acres of where the Bohemian Grove is Located, shown by Satellite You may zoom in and out as desired and change the View Options on the top right hand side. Please Click the link Below to see.
Please check back next week on why at least 60% but upto 90% Of Florida will be part of the Atlantic Ocean. Also parts of California, New Jersey as well as North Carolinas Outer Bands and Hawaii to be wiped off the map. Until then Please check out http://www.jesus-is-savior.com Not only so much about Bohemian Grove, but a lot of other interesting Information about dozens of topics.
Why i think the Rounding up in Concentration camps worldwide May begin around 2018..Around..could be 2015-2025, But heres why i think this:
This shall know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphermers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of Pleasure more then lovers of God. Having a form of godliness, But denying Its power, Have nothing to do with them" -2nd Tomohty Ch3
Fornication, Homosexuality, Abortions, Rape, Drug Use, Pedophila, Atheism, and Child Molestations are at record highs around the world.
95% Of the world has premarital sex. Homosexuality is growing, Almost 10% Of america has had at least 1 homosexual experience. 50 Million America Babies have been murdered In America since the 70's. 40 Million Babies are murdered Every Year Around the World. 3 Million Kids under 18 Smoke Dope. 1 in 20 men will Molest at least 1 child before they die, But only 1 in 3000 Women will molest a child. 1 in 3 Girls will be raped in there lifetime. Atheism doubled in America since 1995, From 8% to now 16%&, Only 86% Believe in God, 70% In a Christian God, the rest worship False Gods. As far as Pedophila Well Watch Dateline Wednesday or goto www.perverted-Justice.com or goto a chat room pose as a 13 year old girl and watch Yourself get 20Ims! Do you really think we will go without Judgment?
"And there shall be signs in the Sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of all Nations, with perplexity, and the seas and the waves will be roaring" - Luke 21
In 2012 There is expected to be the worst solar storm in nearly 150 Years, and It is expected to knock nearly 30-40 Satellites out of orbit in space. December of 2004 tsunami was the so great it caused a knock off the earth axis by 1". It killed upto 285,000 people in 13 nations around the Indian Ocean, Registering 9.0-9.3 On the rector scale. The atlantic Hurricane season was the most Active on record for 2005, with 28 Named storms, (Ave 9) with I think 16 Becoming Hurricanes (Ave 6) and 9 Becoming Major Hurricanes (Ave 2). In 2004, There was the First hurricane to form south of the Atlantic, Meteorologists were baffled and it was deemed impossible. Also in 2004, There were 15 Named Storms, and Of the All 5 time most costliest Hurricanes, 2 Out of the 5, Were in the Year 2004. There is One more very important part of this that May happen, and it may involve Florida being wiped off the map, I will save that for my next conspiracy. So make sure you check back next week!!
"And you shall hear of Wars and Rumors of Wars: See that ye not be troubled, for all these things must come to pass, for the end is not yet" Matthew 24
We had WW1 From 1914-1918, and WW2 From 1939-1945, The rumors of wars lasted until the 60's with people building bomb shelters fearing a Nuclear Bomb.
"For Nation Shall Rise against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom, There shall be famines, and earthquakes, and pestilences, in diverse Places" -Matthew 24
Earthquakes have increase about 30% Since 100 years ago, and Expecting in the year 2012 They expect earthquakes to skyrocket with the upcoming Solar storms and Upcoming Pole Shift. Also The 20th Century and 21st Centuries have seen some of the worst Pestilaces in History, With The bird flu killing 50 Million people in 1918 and The SARS Virus killing 300 Million through the 20th Century. AIDS has killed 25 Million people since 1981. Africa famines threatening the entire continent.
"And I looked, and Behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him is Death, and Hell Followed Him. And power was given unto him over 25% part of the earth with hunger and with death and of the BEASTS of the earth." -Rev 6
The bird flu could kill 1 Billion people if It really got out of hand.
"I will gather all Nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into Judgement against them, concerning my in heritance, my prople of Israel, for they have scattered my people among all nations and DIVIDED Up my land. -Joel 3
"The 6th Angel Poured Out His Bowl on the great River Euphrates, and its water was Dried up to Prepare for the Kings of the East" -Rev 16
Since 1990 Turkey has built a Huge Dam that can stop the Flow of the Euphrates River! Source: www.endtime.com
"No one knows the day nor Hour, no not the angel in heaven, But my Father Only" -Matthew 24
I do not know the day and Hour, No one does, But i know the seasons, and he allows us to know the seasons. Keep reading It will be around 2018, Give or take a year, The Tribulation Will last for 7 years Until the second Coming around 2025.
"Now learn this lesson from the Fig tree, As soon as its twigs get tender, and its leaves come out, You will know the Summer is Nigh. Even at the Doors. This generation Shall Not pass Until all These Things be Fulfilled" -Matthew 24
If you read the Old Testiment I think in Joel, The fig tree represents Israel, Which became a Nation in 1948, A generation Is how Long people Live, Right Now we are on the 58th Year. People wont live til there 120? Will they?
I cant think of the verse for this, But Jesus said right before I return There Shall be False profits. The Divinci Code is telling lies about Christ, and another Movie called the Beast Came out on June 6th, Saying Jesus never existed. http://www.thegodmovie.com/
All shows, Such as South Park, Family Guy, and other shows Make up lies about Jesus. False Phophets are at a record high.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -Revelation 13
Applied Digital Solutions, On the Nasdaq: ADSX has made a way to implant microchips under the skin, to keep track of everybody using RFID, It is also used in a cashless society. Here is a picture of somebody getting one in there hand! Notice the scriptures say "IN" the right hand. http://www.rfid-666.com/
Also,
In Late 2005 And Early 2006, The People of Israel have finished re-constructing the Furniture to be used in the "NEW" Temple Mount.
I don't know how long they have had these, But there are 600 concentration Camps Right here in America. Click Below to look at the Pictures. I expect people will be rounded up and put in the these concentration Camps, After Gun control is enacted around the globe. Don't be surpised if All gun owners in the World have the guns confiscated Before 2015. After they are placed here, The Government has forms of Mind Control. Source on mind control is http://www.infowars.com
Since the As of Now, There are 25 Nations who are Part of the EU Or European Union, They plan on adding 2 New Nations by 2007 for a total of 27. After that, No new nations are expected until 2010. When we have all nations part of the EU, We have a NWO, or New World Order or, Global Government. I also heard that the number 11 is the Number for Global Government.
September 11th 1991.
September 11th 2001.
March 11th 2004
Feburary 11th 2005
May 11th 2005.
July 11th 2006
May 11th 2008.
There are others I cant think of
What will happen on 11/11/11??????
Also: The number 11 is considered a master number.
The first Great War, World War 1, ended on the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the 11th month. To this day,
victims and veterans are remembered at that specific time. In Tolkein's The Lord of the Rings, the number 11
is described as a curious number, and reaching your 111th birthday is an event. The USA skipped sequence
numbers on the Apollo moon missions to ensure it was Apollo 11 that landed on the moon. In ancient Egypt
King Tutankhamen's tomb had combinations of 11 in the jewelry he wore, and he had 11 oars placed on the
floor surrounding his tomb. The number 11, and particularly the number 33, have significance to Freemasons,
and other secretive groups.
In addition, there have been thousands of people worldwide who have recently expressed a strong feeling
towards 11. This has been widely reported for the last 5-10 years, and is now commonly referred to as
the 11:11 experience, referring to the time of 11:11.
The overwhelming quantity of elevens, surfacing from the events, people, and places related to the 9-11-2001
attacks, is remarkable. It is as if someone planned the events to occur around the number eleven. If it was
not planned, then the coincidence of the numbers, seems even more mysterious and improbable.
We have also found an 11-year cycle in Osama bin Laden's life. The life changing events occur every 11
years, when bin Laden is 11, 22, 33, and 44.
We have uncovered several patterns of elevens that have occurred before, during, and after the attacks.
The Dates
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11 has 9 letters and 2 numbers: 9+2=11.
The number 911 is the telephone number for emergencies in North America.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
March 11, 2002, marked 6 months since the attack, and fell in the 11th week of 2002.
On March 11, 2002, New York City lit the sky with 88 (8 x 11 = 88) powerful GE bulbs that sent light beams
into the sky from the World Trade Center site. The next morning, on March 12, 2002, 11 FDNY firemen
were recovered from Ground Zero.
New York City - 11 Letters Flight AA11 & The Target
New York City - 11 Letters
The first plane to hit the towers was American Airlines Flight 11.
The Flight 11 call letters were AA11: A=1, A=1, AA=11.
Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names: AA=11.
The fifth AA11 hijacker was the pilot, Mohamed Atta, 11 letters, and AA in last name.
Flight AA11 had 92 people on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight AA11 had 11 crew members - 2 pilots and 9 flight attendants.
The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters.
The State of New York was the 11th State added to the Union.
Manhattan Island was discovered on Sept. 11, 1609 by Henry Hudson -11 letters.
Trade Center is 11 letters, and Skyscrapers is 11 letters.
World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22.
The WTC Twin Towers - standing side by side, look like the number 11.
The WTC Towers are each 110-storeys high.
The first WTC tower hit (North Tower) collapses at 10:28 A.M. -1+2+8=11.
The 1st Fire Unit to arrive to the WTC towers was FDNY Unit 1. Unit 1 lost 11 firemen.
The WTC towers collapsed to a height of 11 stories.
After 99 days of burning, NYC declares the WTC fires are extinguished - 9 x 11 = 99.
The World Trade Center fires burn continuously for 99 days, between September 11, 2001 and
December 19, 2001. The World Trade Center fire is the longest burning commercial fire in U.S. history.
On September 7, 2002, NYC Medical Examiners announced the revised official
death toll from the World Trade Center attacks was 2,801 - (2+8+0+1 = 11).
On the morning of September 11, 2002 the names of 2,801 victims were read at a Ground Zero
Ceremony. It took 2 ½ hours to read all the names.
The Pentagon - 11 letters Flight UA77 & The Target
The Pentagon - 11 letters
The plane that hit the Pentagon was United Airlines Flight 77 -11 x 7 =77.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.
The target of Flight 77 was The Pentagon - 11 Letters.
One of the walls of The Pentagon collapses at 10:10 A.M.
Colin Powell - 11 letters People & Places
George W. Bush - 11 letters
According to the FBI, earlier terrorists originally planned to hijack 11 planes.
Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names.
Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim faith, died in 632 A.D. - 6+3+2=11.
The Taliban's Manual of Afghan Jihad (Holy War) is 11 volumes.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran - 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.
The League of Arab States is comprised of 22 Arab nations - 2 x 11 = 22.
The suspected base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
Osama bin Laden's birthplace is Saudi Arabia - 11 letters.
Ramzi Yousef - convicted of orchestrating the 1993 WTC attack - 11 Letters.
The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters.
Deputy PM, & Minister of Foreign Affairs for Israel - Shimon Peres - 11 Letters.
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Daily News Sept. 15th
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Sept. 17th Time Cover
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Sept. 14, 2001
WTC Ground Zero
Feb. 25, 2002 Ceremony
George W. Bush & Bob Beckwith Fireman #164
On September 14, 2001 U.S. President George W. Bush visited Ground Zero at the World Trade Center.
In a now famous series of images President Bush uses a speaker (bull horn) to encourage WTC rescue
workers. Bush is flanked by a New York City fireman. The fireman is Bob Beckwith and the number on his
fireman's hat is 164 (1 + 6 + 4 = 11). Also, Bob Beckwith is 11 letters.
George W. Bush & Saddam Hussein's "11 Long Years"
Commencing in early September 2002 President George W. Bush refers to Saddam's last "11 years" in
virtually every major speech he gave in September, 2002. The following is a Bush speech on September
5, 2002, as quoted from The New York Times, "For 11 long years, Sadam Hussein has sidestepped,
crawfished, and wheedled, out of any agreement he made not to harbor or develop weapons of
mass destruction."
"The 6th Angel sounded his trumpet, And I heard, a Voice coming from the horns of the Golden alter that is before God. It said to the 6th angel that that the trumpet. "Release the four angels who are bound of the Great River Euphrates. And the four angels who have been kept ready for this very hour were released to kill one third of mankind. The Number of the Mounted Troops were 200 Million." Rev 9
Right now there are about 205 Million Chinese ArmyMen, Now If the Tribulation were to happen tomorrow, and it wont, and there is a pre-Trib Rapture, (Which I do Believe in, I will get to more of that Later) 10% Of The chinese are Christians. So If there is a pre-trip Rapture, After the Rapture will leave only about 185 Million, Not fulling Bible Phophecy. Around 2018, The Chinese Army may grow to about 220-225 Million, And After the Rapture, If it is Pre-trib, and I think It is. 10% Of the Chinese Will go up in the Rapture leaving about 200 Million!! Wow!
Saint Malachy was given a vision from God during the 12th Century A.D. He foresaw all the popes from then until the time of the Tribulation. There were 112 Popes in All. The last Pope, John Paul 2, was the 110th, Now we are at the 111th Pope, Which is Saint Benedict XVI, This is what is says about the last and final Pope. " In the Final Persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will Reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many TRIBULATIONS, After which is seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge (Who is Jesus), will Judge the People. Also Saint Malachy has been 100% Accurute in 850 Years!! Also this pope is 78 Years old. This Pope May be the Last, and the next Pope will be the Anti-Pope or False Phophet to welcome the Antichrist. The next pope is Expected to betray the Christian Faith.
In the Beginning God Created the heaven and the Earth, He took 6 days to Create the Heaven and Earth, and Rested on the 7th" -Genesis 1
Why Did Gid create 6 days to Create the Earth, and rest on the 7th, If he could have done it, In less then 1 second? But he didn't. He took 6 days and rested on the 7th. In the bible, It says 1000 years Is as 1 days In Gods Eyes, It also Says God Judges The end from the Beginning.
If God judges the end from the Beginning, In the Beginning He took 6 days to create the earth, and If 1 days is as a 1000 Years, Maybe God is trying to Tell us something, There were 4000 Years Before Christ or 4 days, And "ALMOST" 2000 Years After Christ or 2 Days. And when that time is up, It will be the 7th day or the last 1000 Years, Which is Christs Rein.
This is where it Gets really Interesting.
I know we are in 2006, However It is said That from 100B.C. Until 1582 A.D. A year around the world was counted as 360 days, Not 365.25 Days. So we lost time, We are not really in 2006. Technically we may have lost 25 years, and Are really in 1981.
Now lets say we are in 1981 in 12 Years from now, in 1993 or 2018, It will be 7 years from the year 2000 or 2025, And Since the Tribulation Lasts 7 years, The Tribulation will end in 2000 or 2025, Starting Christs Rein Until 3000 or 3025, Finishing the 7th days or the Full 7,000 Years Since God created the Earth.
Thanks, Micahyah -- I visited your site and found it a very interesting contribution to the Truth movement. My parents are both pastors and I will be pointing it out to them. The post immediately above yours freaked me out, and your site was a good antidote!
WoaH! this this the most mind boggoling post related to current events and apocalyptic writting of the new testament, im also writting this to help my fellow truthers that might get scared with such post to understand the porpuse of such info.
I long investigated religion and its effects on society, and its known that is a tool used for control and inconsious manipulation of poeple's judgement. I dont mean that religion is all bad, it's been very useful to bring order into society and bring a psycological backbone to the mayority of the population of any given country, kindoms or empires to give them a reason to accept thier current situation, or given a motivation to thrive despite thier poor conditions.
Personally religion is a way to explain, situations, things and behaviors we dont understand. Kings, Emperors and secret societies needed ways to keep control of thier populations by releasing manuals or books, in this case bible's or manuscrips that focus on a all powerful being that at the end will bring justice to those that decide to believe in such idealism therefore backing up a story with such a powerful perception makes the bibles or books have solid backbone.
The human brain is capable of a immense diversity of feelings, behaviors, ideas and percetions that give way to Arts, sports, music, acting, personalities, imagination and so much more.
As you can see that there is are huge amounts of fuctions that our brain is capable of.
How will we make sense of all that our brain is capable and how we will organize the diferent personalities and lifestyles that humans have?
Religions, cults and the like, have been the natural response to all the chaos of human nature.
Each bible or book that belong to any give religion, has precise definitions to a huge amounts of behaviors of humans, and therefore have judgements or praise, depending on the moral of the book for each behavior. This texts have a huge amounts of examples of human situations, stories and events where they try to infuse thier judgment or use that as an example of something they will categorize as good or bad, depending on the values, morals or beliefs they want individuals, groups or whole societies to learn.
The Christian bible, which contains both Old Testament and New testament, along with the Jewish bible which only contains the old testament and the Muslim Bible, guide or whataver you want to call it, are the most detail texts in which its developers, had a strong insight into human nature and understood the most important behaviors and thoughts as to create text, that would bring specific order, discipline to the minds of those that are raised since kids unders heavy sposure of those teachings.
So in short Religion, cults and the like which try to give meaning to life, give a porpuse and try fill they void that most people have in their minds, they are accepted as explanations fo things that dont make sense to us, they give us confort by making us believe in a all powerful entity, that even if our of all life was to be a disaster, that at the end you will be given paradise where you will not suffer for eternity and the guilty will be punish forever.
The authors of the religions, didn't necesarely made religions for excluse manipulation with the focus to give power and authority to the group sponsoring the religion. Some religions like christian have extremily good morals, values and sense of justice that any civilize and rational society should have. It might have been written for good porpuse, but certian groups or secret societies could use this same informations to manipulate and control people, by disguising themselves and blending with the bible. Therefore they can get away with anything that they do, because they shield themselves with the words behind the bible or scripture.
I could point so many example how religions and cults mix morals or the situations of certain people to take advantage of them or get them to suppor thier group.
It is in our nature that we need to find a cause, a belief and a porpuse to make sense of our lives, religions and cults have been of use to keep society organized. I like to see the truth and not limit myself by any means. We do need rules, regulations and laws to mantain our darker side on control, but society has evolutionized, from kindoms and empires where there was not much information available to anybody, to more flexible societies, where we can share immense amounts of thoughts, ideas and data, therefore it is logical that control of nations by small families and societies is in it's last stand at keeping masive power and control over large societies and they trying thier hardest at using fear to keep people away from the truth.
We have to understand the influence of religions and cults on society, and how at all points in human history its been used for psycological confort or control of crowds, therefore we need to start outgrowing the need for them and still have the morals, values and principles that we need as a civilized society. I like to point out all this information because on how important is the roles of cults and religions on our current and past affairs. As in a recent post that claim the number 11 to be involved in a huge amounts of people, places and events sorrounding 911.
It is not hard to believe that the bush administration, groups and secret societies behind them or similar, have deep beliefs systems similar to a regilion or cult that motivates them to persuit power, manipulate and control societies and countries or as in the past kindoms and empires. The first step to defeat them is not throught force, but through understanding thier ideals, beliefs, modes of operation and specificaly EDUCATING OUR PRODUCTIVE WORKFORCE AND MILITARY ABOUT ALL THIS INFORMATION. I know the manipulators are powerful, but not invincible, they have huge amounts of money and influence, but as you see they are still defeatable, since the need to cover 911 shows that they are not confident(cocky) or powerful enought to take out the United States, therefore they must mislead the public to avoid being discovered. They also try to weaken the country by spending more money that they get from federal taxes. The tax cut made by bush only benefits wealthy corporations, not the middle or poor class, which makes for most citizens, when state and local taxes have raised in contrast, elimitating any possible benefit by federal tax cuts. Public official like Bush, cheney, rice, rumsfield are just decoys but still part of thier network.
So it is easely perceived that Religion now a days is used to manipulate groups and countries for the benefit of a few that underestand on how to shield or divert attention from their opperations. Change happens with teamwork, first we have to understand the minds of those that we are up against, thier dynamics, the limits that thier beliefs impose, and we have to be ready to replace the infraestructure that they controled with capable workers.
I believe that certain secret societies, those that hide behind religions and cults, would use code words or set up names and events around certain dates, places to execute thier plans.
It is of no surprise for those that realize this to spot those attemps at scaring people with pre-organized narratives of correlating events which are clearly chosen by those who carry on the acts.
Let me tell you one more manipulation that dont require a cult or religion but its part of the branch of the control tree, the Bush administration is earning less federal money by cutting taxes and expending more through war. War expending only benefits those making the weapons and supplies. Local and state taxes have been force to raise to cope for the extreme lack of federal funding. They are trying to ge the country into a crisis, where people is more worried about securing thier pay and basic needs, giving them the opportunity to push all thier agendas by making believe the population that by supporting them and electing them its the only way to get out of the crisis. They are creating anxiety by making the country broke and using fear to get thier plans going. 911 and most of the terror plots that come on the media are used to scare people into supporting their wars, which by the way are debunked in websites such as this.
To end this post, Maslow's hierarchy of need pyramid says at first level we need to cover our basic needs such as shelter and food, second level is to secure our basic needs(need for security which Bush admin is exploiting), then our social needs, after that is our worries about our status(Which corrupt people worry about). Bush is leading us to worry about how do we secure our basic needs as a job, which feed us and pay for our house(shelter), therefore we are more busy surviving than worrying about what's happening behind the curtains.
I HEARDON THE ALEX JONES RADIO SHOW IN ABOUT 2 YEARS, THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE INTERNET TRAFFIC CONTROL OR SOMETHING, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT ANY SITES LIKE THESE WILL BE BLOCKED FROM THE PUBLIC...ANY TERROR ATTACKS AFTER THIS BLOCK, NO TRUTH WILL GET OUT...MAYBE ALEX JONES CAN SEND US MAGIZINES.
sleepy2k16 (not verified) on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 12:54am.
"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation
What is Freenet?
Freenet is free software which lets you publish and obtain information on the Internet without fear of censorship. To achieve this freedom, the network is entirely decentralized and publishers and consumers of information are anonymous. Without anonymity there can never be true freedom of speech, and without decentralization the network will be vulnerable to attack.
alex jones is PARTLY deluded, and partly CRIMINALLY CARELESS.
He is deluded about the NWO ... he does NOT KNOW what he is talking about.. he basically re-hashes myths from the patriot movement, myths PLANTED by FBI-types.
He is criminally careless about pandering to the right-wing mainly by BLAMING FOREIGNERS.
That's sooo stupid, that it is easy to forsee that bhe will find his mistake soon.
What stopped him so far s that he is afraid he already "sounds too much like a lefty".
He realizes that "sounding like a lefty" actually gives SATISFACTORY ANSWERS and it irks him, for one reason only.
He LOVES to be the centre of attention, and he will loose his income if his show gets cancelled.
He tries to make a careful trade-off between TRUTH (lefty) and NWO-patriot-gun-toting crap (TOLERATED=$$$)
Sad, really. But one could argue that this is the price we have to pay for "truth" to reach the pea-brained patriots.
I personally think he is OK if he ONE DAY COMES CLEAN.
"I just said the anti-foreigner stuff to keep my show. I perpetuated the NWO-half-truths and took part in mystification and myth-making JUST TO KEEP MY SHOW. I faked, and failed the truth, but I felt justified so that the STUPID GUN-WHACKOS and pro-death-penalty patriot-pea-brains were given a chance to wake up quicker."
Chomsky is far better on the truth department. Sure, he does not get into speculation about SECRET SERVICE BLACK OPS.
But he stated his reasons, and its my hunch that he will be vindicated. 911/JFK are straw-fires.. they burn quickly and consume all the fuel. It is more important to get a sustainable ORGANISATION running that can AGREE ON PRINCIPLES.
To be against JFK-murder and against 9/11 black-ops and against synthetic-terror is WAY NOT ENOUGH.
This is also the beef I have with Mein Herr Webster Tarpley. I am still suspicious about his Larouche connections. And Webster has a few times too often announced something would happen, when it didn't.
Chomsky has a near perfect track-record on predictions. But Chris is blind to that for his hatred is too great. I presume Chris is under 40 and as American as synthetic terror. He just cannot bear to have Chomsky being right. Chris convinces himself every day that NOBODY CAN BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, therefore Chomsky must be wrong. If Chris cannot find something untrue that CHOMSKY actually said.. he HAS TO accuse him of being wrong "in spirit" or "undercover" or of some other evil hidden agenda.
My condolences to such a state of mind.
Chris... it is bad luck to be superstitious ;-)
u2r2h
Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 11:25pm.
where are you from? can you refute anyhing in any of those CHomsky articles i posted? no? as usual you cant? cant say im surprised. friggin Chomsky groupie that you are, i guess you have so much invested in getting his back that it would tough for you to admit your heros faults at this point. Alex Jones is wrong on immigration, hes wrong on global warming, hes wrong on gay marraige, hes wrong on a lot. but hes not afraid to "go there" in regards to false flags and assassinations, unlike the coward CHomsky. Chomsky has done nothing but preach to his cult like choir. he has made ZERO difference, in fact, he has stopped his cult like followers from looking closer at 9/11 and other important issues. far better on the "truth department"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA, what a hilarious notion. the guy thinks Oswald acted alone. case closed dumbass. why are you here, if you,like CHomsky think that 9/11 isnt important? your a coward just like him. stop making excuses for that man just because hes your hero. hes a fucking coward. again i ask, since you always have bad things to say about americans, where are you from? what country are you in right now? why do you, as a foreigner fall for Chomskys bullshit when more and more americans are starting to see him as the control valve he is? your being played u2. your too gullible. Chomsky is not your saviour. he is a false prophet that keeps gullible fools like you going in circles while getting NOTHING done.answer the question for once you fucking coward, WHERE ARE YOU FROM, YOU ELITIST SCUM?
> can you refute anyhing in any of those CHomsky
> articles i posted? no?
Nearly everything is contrived and unfounded.
Completely ridiculous, once you know the subject.
There is so much one could write about the
subjects discussed, but anyone who knows just
a tiny smither will agree that "the allegations"
are just no such thing.
> as usual you cant? cant say im surprised.
I could, but won't. Too much work.
You have assembled your little dodgy dossier...
I won't. Too much work for too little gain.
> friggin Chomsky groupie that you are,
> i guess you have so much invested
> in getting his back that it would tough
> for you to admit your heros faults at this point.
Please clarify this sentence. Invested?
What matter are my motives to the topic?
> Alex Jones is wrong on immigration,
> hes wrong on global warming,
> hes wrong on gay marraige,
> hes wrong on a lot.
agreed.
> but hes not afraid to "go there"
That's kinda the problem, you know.
> in regards to false flags and assassinations,
> unlike the coward CHomsky.
You seem infatiatued with assasinations and murder-stories.
Murders are usually just the last and most dirty
results of a policy ... policies that Chomsky describes rather well.
If you are interested in murder-mysteries, I can recommend
Miss Marple.
Honestly. I, too, would like to know WHO DID 911.
I am fascinated by murder-stories, as long as they have
a social background... you know.. the marxist thing
about owners vs workers.
> Chomsky has done nothing but preach to his cult
> like choir.
I know you regret that Chomsky hasn't preached
YOUR version to his cult. But thats a bit too easy.
You cannot ask other people to do YOUR work.
> he has made ZERO difference,
I think you have not followed the last 40 years.
> in fact, he has stopped his cult like followers from
> looking closer at 9/11 and other important issues.
He could have done something else, true.
But everybody has to do what (s)he has to do.
We are all so glad that forthcoming brilliant
intellects in your generation will take up the slack.
You are using this matter as a self-finding thing.
I congratulate you, then. It really doesn't matter what
I or you say... its what we do, and what we learn.
> far better on the "truth department"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA,
> what a hilarious notion. the guy thinks Oswald acted
> alone. case closed dumbass.
Oswald did not act alone. Nobody can say that. Please provide the exact quote.
> why are you here, if you,like CHomsky think that 9/11
> isnt important?
You mean if I don't like it here, I should go to Cuba?
Where have I heard that before?
> your a coward just like him.
And you have a small penis.
> stop making excuses for that man just because hes your
> hero. hes a fucking coward. again i ask, since you always
> have bad things to say about americans,
aaahhh NOW we are getting there. You don't like people
who have bad things to say about America.
First of all, I say bad things about Honduras, Nicaragua,
Haiti, Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, Canada and Colombia, that is true. In all of these countries the USA has
been involved in unimaginable bloodbaths, and has done nothing to stop them. The USA has PAID the death squads or cowardly bombarded defenseless people. Watch this!
But you are right. The USA must be lauded for its
selfless sacrifices in sending 20year olds into battles
against inferiorly armed natives, in bringing the world's No1 war machine and the most elaborate secret-service trickery to bear against the mortal enemies of ...
uh, ah.. .. what? lets see if you can answer this question.
Hint: It is the crux of the matter.
> where are you from? what country are you in right now?
I won't tell you because I am afraid you will feel a grudge
towards that country and you may start a dossier against it, and we end up getting bombed, too.
> why do you, as a foreigner fall for Chomskys bullshit
> when more and more americans are starting to see him as
> the control valve he is? your being played u2.
Foreigners fall easily for dumb ideas. It's in their foreign nature.
> your too gullible.
Thanks for pointing that out. I think you are right.
> Chomsky is not your saviour.
Shit. Now you have done it. This really makes me angry.
> he is a false prophet
You say my prophet is false?
An you arrogant pisshead have a correct prophet?
> that keeps gullible fools like you going in circles
> while getting NOTHING done.
I'll get things done... I will send my army of gullible
foreigners to teach you CORRECT-PROPHET-BELIEVERS a
lesson that you will not forget!
> answer the question for once you fucking coward,
Call me a coward again and I will tell you a joke
that will kill you!
> WHERE ARE YOU FROM, YOU ELITIST SCUM?
I give you a hint:
In the house where I live we have a communal kitchen
(with a great italian stove). The regulars there,
which who I chat and joke often, are from:
Malaysia
India
Russia
Macedonia
Brasil
Germany
Sweden
New Zealand
China
Korea
England
Iran
and they are all jolly good dudes and dudesses.
We see very few US-americans recently.
My boyfriend met some on holiday, but they were not
willing to talk about their country. They apparently said
it was too depressing and they confessed that they often
tell foreigners that they are canadian.
hes actually paid to think that way. you'll notice i asked him 3 times, count em, 3 times where he was from. he said Earth. i have asked him at least 10 times in the past where he is from. still no answer. he regularly downplays the importance of 9/11(among other important topics), just like his hero Chomsky. the guy is beyond suspect at this point.
and once again, for about the 40th time(literally), she has failed to state where she is from. that should make all of us think. its not a hard question. be wary of shills that pump up gatekeepers and bash truth tellers and cant even state where they are from. she comes here and bashes Alex Jones, who meets the unanswered questions of 9/11 head on, and regularly praises the gatekeeper Chomsky and makes excuses for him being a coward on the topic. she regularly dowplays the importance of 9/11, just like CHomsky. i question her motives. i think you all should.
> and once again, for about the 40th time(literally),
you mean figuratively! Or maybe you cannot count.
> she has failed to state where she is from.
I'm Roger Rabbit from Chilicothe, OH. What's it to you?
> that should make all of us think.
Hmmm.. (oops, see, I am already following your advice)
> its not a hard question. be wary of shills that pump up
> gatekeepers
pimp my Chomsky, yeah!
> and bash truth tellers
Har Har.. (evil laugh!) MUST BASH... TRUTH .. TELLERS
> and cant even state where they are from.
Won't! not can't WILL NOT.
I told you, it is not wise to tell Americans where
the foreign homeland is. We may be lucky and the
racist-yankee-mad-bombers cannot find it on a map!!
> she comes here and bashes Alex Jones,
booohooo poor Alex.
> who meets the unanswered questions of 9/11 head on,
And what a head!! I think he will be a beautiful person once he looses his voice and learned to think things through.
> and regularly praises the gatekeeper Chomsky
You are not alone in hating chomksy.
FrontPageMagazine.com and many jewish fundamentalists
hat his guts too.
> and makes excuses for him being a coward on the topic.
I would even make excuses for you. You are cute when
you are angry. Young, dumb and cute.
> she regularly dowplays the importance of 9/11,
How about you ignoring the importance of the murder
of thousands of innocents in Panama (restore hope).
I have never heard you say anything about the many
thousands of victims of CIA terror in Angola.
Maybe you think 9/11 was more important than the
the hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq, because I have
never heard you, Chris, say anything about the bloodbath
of innocents in that country.
> just like CHomsky. i question her motives.
> i think you all should.
You should question ANYONE's motives.. all the time.
Humans are equipped with a capability to deceive others,
and they use it ALL THE TIME.... often un-knowingly.
Like you, Chris.
You're probably on to me for a reason. You are trying
to hide something else. Tell us, what is it?
Where are you from? oops, I can tell already. YANKISTAN
What do you hope to gain here? oops, I can tell, too.
You want to "find truth" and present yourself as a
"the one who can find truth"... yep, a man has to impress the gurrlz some way or another.
What are you trying to hide from us?
==== for the others, thanks for reading ======
here is your reward. Cartoons! YEAH!:
Islamo - Fascist, Judeo - Liberatarian , Christano - Anarchist, Satano - Socialist, Buddho - Capitalist, Hindo - Communist
you just proved my point. how old are you? where EXACTLY are you from? why cant you answer this question? it speaks volumes. no amount of inane posts can hide that. you are a Chomsky groupie, hes a smart guy, but not worth defending like you do. do you think 9/11 is as unimportant as he does? if so, why are you here? to create divisions, by say, bashing a guy like Alex JOnes and putting a 9/11 denier like Chomsky on a pedestal? see the problem? no? your on the wrong side bitch.
you regularly downplay the importance of 9/11 and talk about how ignorant,stupid etc. americans are. you paint us all with such a broad brush and never run out of excuses for your boy Chosmky. SO WHERE ARE YOU FROM? is this a tough question?
"Why I am a Terrorist"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14815.htm
Yep. Me too.
quicktime does work for may people
Please give us Windows Media Player files. Quicktime for many Windows users won't work properly.
doesn't
That should have said "does not".
Save the MP3 File and Open it with media player.
Click the link above, then move the mouse over to where the link says LISTEN, right click. Then select link link as....
This will save the link as an MP3 File to your computer, which you can open with Media Player.
Sorry that should
Sorry that should read...
Move the mouse over to where it says listen, click the right mouse button, and select "Save Link As...."
then you can save the MP3 file and open it anytime using media player..
okay, thanks, but . . .
Okay. Thank you. But that procedure doesn't work for the video files. WMP won't play MPEG-4. A lot of times here we get MPEG-4 files only, many of which I would love to see, but can't. That is very frustrating, and I'm sure it's obstructing many people from seeing some important videos.
QuickTime™
Download the newest verison of QuickTime™ for Windows, QuickTime™ 7.1 and see if that makes any difference.
official items to debunk
important
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0906/090106nj1.htm
LOTS OF INTERESTING STATEMENTS:
With the hijackers in control of the plane, a passenger, Peter Hanson, called his father ...
Now .. ground controllers can override an attempt to disengage the plane's autopilot.
MORE DISINFO
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,20341165-5003406,00.html
BETTER:
THE CONSPIRACY TO REWRITE 9/11
Conspiracy theorists insist the U.S. government, not terrorists, staged the devastating attacks
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/03/INGR0KRCBA1.DTL
For the record:
In:
http://www.commonground.ca/iss/0609182/cg182_Zwicker.shtml
Barry Zwicker says:
In a way, I agree with Bush, and with Jesus, in their stating, "You’re either with me or against me."
I think Jesus is misquoted:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/withme.html
Simply amazing.
What a great interview! Way to go, all concerned.
What An Accomplishment!!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/03/death.toll
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi
Alex and David are
Alex and David are heroes.
Again, the big tool the criminal elements in our govt have is another 911 attack. We need to be super vigilant and call our local govt to prevent all military exercises so we don't have another false flag attack. www.falseflagnews.com
I only heard an hour of this talk but the last thing Alex said was that NIST is considering that bombs went off in WTC 7. Wow, that could blow the whole 911 truth into the mainstream.
Now, these wicked people in our govt are going to become the most desperate. Tell everyone you can about the false flag operations because that is what they are going to try to do.
Another thing Alex said was that Bush was overheard telling the Israelis to attack Lebanon so that this would be a curtain raising for the attack on IRAN.
THIS IS COMPLETE LUNACY. WE HAVE LUNATICS AT THE HELM. An attack on IRAN means nuclear fallout, nuclear bombs and millions dead. And all in the name of the terror war that wasn't.
These leaders have lost all sanity.
violence = USA
These leaders have lost all sanity.
Incorrect. They are following their instructions to the letter. Their puppet masters also know EXACTLY what they are doing.
Need proof?
5 years ago they made a big move... and they got away with it. They will get away with it FOREVER. There will be no such thing as 911-truth day and no perps will be locked up.
How do I know this?
As long as there are fools that say Chomsky is an asset of the new world order, there are enough misguided people that you can play-off against each other.
People who cannot understand the coarser points that chomsky makes cannot be expected to be smart enough to know what to do against the masters-of-the-world.
These people can do 911... and reap the benefits.
Does that not speak for itself?
They LOVE gun-nuts and NWO-paranoids. They planted these memes ON PURPOSE so that "the bewildered herd" stays just what it is.
Between you and me: World Government will mean ILO-rules of 14weeks paid parental leave, 6 weeks paid holidays, low-cost health-benefits, no poverty, justice-that-deserves-the-name, powerless corporations, powerful parliaments, true-democracy, remediation-of-the-environment, accountable-authorities, transparent-bureaucracy, life-sentence-for-white-collar-murderers, outlawed guns, nuclear-free-world .. in short MUCH LESS FEAR... and thereby jobs in theater, music, arts
Your current puppet masters HATE the civilizing effect of the European Union and its social-welfare and environmental laws and they tell everyone that IT CANNOT WORK.
Fact:
USA infrastructure is crumbling... Even Waikiki is not safe to swim, the sewers broke! YUK!! you filthy swines!
Compare this with Germany which has the FOURTH generation of bullet trains, and the propagandised brits were so impressed that the newspapers were allowed to write about it:
(The New Zealand version is uncensored, probably because it was sent to meet their deadline, before the slanting room got it)
http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/location/story.cfm?l_id=44&objectid=10388825
Germany
Efficient transport. Modern cities. An independent foreign policy. Germans have lots to smile about. Picture / Reuters.
Who'd have thought? Germany's quite nice
Thursday June 29, 2006
By Steve Richards
And the winner of the World Cup is ... Germany. Yes, I know they face Argentina in the quarter-finals on Friday and could be out of the competition by the weekend. But it does not matter. They have already won.
The army of British journalists and English fans pay daily homage to the Germany they have discovered during the World Cup. This is Germany's historic victory. The reporting of the football is interspersed with spontaneous praise from fans and journalists about the ease of travel from city to city, the cleanliness of the towns, the class of the accommodation, the cycle-friendly paths that compete with the best in Holland, and the ability of cities to stage late-night festivals without them ending in a drunken brawl.
The German team is also playing quite well, of course.
Neither the British journalists nor the fans can entirely believe what they are experiencing. For two decades at least they have been brainwashed into thinking that Europe in general and Germany in particular is not working while Britain is thriving.
In Britain, the Eurosceptic media is powerful enough to change minds on its own. But in this case the newspapers fight their cause in alliance with politicians who also spread poison about a mythical "Europe".
Check out this sentence:
Those visiting Germany from Britain are therefore the equivalent of Soviet travellers in the 1960s and 1970s, discovering to their bewilderment that there were attractive alternatives in the West. As they leave the football stadia with efficient ease, sit on the cheap trains that take them to their next venue, the English wonder whether Europe is so bad after all.
For more than two decades, British leaders have lectured Europe on the best ways of governing. With an insular arrogance, they have insisted that the continent would be much better off if it obeyed their modernising crusade.
Admittedly, in the message has been confused. British leaders tell France how to govern. Then they send British patients to French hospitals because the decrepit NHS cannot cope.
Still, the confusion is lost in the stridency of the message: only the Anglo-Saxon model works! Britain follows US foreign policy and is similarly influenced in economic policy.
As a result, Britain stands proud and the likes of poor old Germany lag behind. Keep clear of Europe!
Yet on a range of policy areas Germany is vindicated. Productivity is high. Across a range of indicators the economic performance of the old West Germany is as impressive as that of Britain. Germany has sustained a high level of public spending over a long period. Its infrastructure does not creak precariously.
All of this has been achieved in spite of the stress caused by reunification. If Britain had been faced with a similar challenge it would have lapsed into recession for decades.
And then there's Germany's political system, which, as New Zealanders know, ensures that no one faction can monopolise Government policy.
In advance of the war against Iraq there was much patronising talk within Downing Street about weak old Gerhard Schroeder who would like to be a world player by supporting the conflict but had to keep a pathetic eye on his precarious coalition.
The deluded view from Downing Street was that Schroeder could not govern strongly.
This compared with our mighty Prime Minister, who was allowed to decide for himself that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Britain would stand proudly shoulder to shoulder with the US.
Indeed, it has been Blair's presidential freedom to declare war on a regular basis that turned him finally against electoral reform.
He felt he needed the space to act as he saw fit and would not support a voting system that might restrict him.
What a shame there was no counter-pressure to block his determination to support George W. Bush, and to be seen supporting the US President, as there was in Germany.
If there had been a different voting system in Britain, Blair would not have been allowed to invade Iraq.
There are lessons to be learnt, and it seems that even the US is again warming to European ways. On a recent trip to Washington, former British minister Denis MacShane said that to his surprise the overwhelming message from the State Department was, "We are all Europeans now."
Yet most of the time it is the fantastical nightmare of "Europe" that traps British politicians.
No doubt, too, when the England fans and the journalists return from Germany their memories will fade. Britons who holiday in France rave about the availability of GPs at weekends, the efficiency of trains and the overall quality of life.
Then they come home and become convinced within a week or two about the perils of "Europe".
So next time a deluded British leader lectures about the failings of "Europe", the British should think of the modern trains running on time and compare them to Britain's privatised monstrosities and their 200 ticket options, nearly all absurdly expensive.
They should consider Germany's sustained investment in public services compared with their own, starved of cash for three decades, showered with money for three years, and about to be starved again.
They should reflect on a German foreign policy that saw through the dangers of forming a subservient relationship with the divided Bush Administration as it bombed Iraq.
When Britain is told that its primary duty is to follow the United States in its foreign adventures and adopt its economic liberalism in all manifestations, it should remember what happened when Germany staged the World Cup and won.
- INDEPENDENT
And England's infrastructure is in better nick than the USA's. Except for the military of course.
You see, you americans will easily be divided. When you will have to choose between
- Peace-n-Love-n-Democracy (and poverty when you have to pay up)
and
- Violent Rule (the rich stay rich, the rest gets by on a diet of dreams and long work hours)
you will choose the latter, guaranteed.
That's an interesting post
That's an interesting post u2 and one in which I agree in part. However, I think you are mistaken to think "world government" would bring the kind of benefits you envision. I doubt Chomsky would think so either.
Anarchism is about decentralization and federation, not a "world government" centered in Brussels with power beyond Bush's wildest dreams. No, world government is not only impossible, it is impractical. There'd be a rebellion popping up in some corner of the globe every five minutes. It just wouldn't work. It's the wrong direction to move in -- complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated. Centralization of power is inefficient. Anarchism is about a parallel tendency toward unity and maximum diversity -- bottom up, not top down.
I agree however that the elite would much prefer people worrying about the Bilderberg group than reading Chomsky and starting small small cooperatives based on anti-hierarchy, egalitarianism and so on. If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
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That's an interesting post
how dare you answering an interesting post with
a boring one!
I think you are mistaken to think "world government" would bring the kind of benefits you envision. I doubt Chomsky would think so either.
NWO has been hammered into US american patridiots.
You are nuts to think that an ACTUAL SINGULAR world government is anything more than a puerile fantasy, or
a dictator's wet dream.
And you are a propagandist by inspiring fear of such
a strawman.
Of course there will be no world-government in the sense of Brussels ruling Papua New Guinea.
However, there will be some universally enforcable laws, maybe even enforced by Brussels. The world will be governed by THE IDEAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, and the "government", i.e. the enforcers, will themselves be held accountable.
Jesus, if I have to explain THIS to you...
where will I stop? Maybe with the most fundamental moral (and anarchist!) rule that what goes for you, also goes for me?
Anarchism is about decentralization and federation, not a "world government" centered in Brussels with power beyond Bush's wildest dreams.
How would YOU know? Are you intentionally writing
bullshit to confuse the others?
LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
brain-wash-vistims like you:
http://www.google.com/search?q=graeber+mp3+anarchism
Maria and Joseph!
Anarchism is NOT NECESSARILY about decentralisation, and
certainly not about Brussel's or Bush's power, it is about POWER, period.
If the community decides that a decentralised aspect
works better, they have the power to adopt it.
Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.
No, world government is not only impossible, it is impractical.
You have been shat in the brain by 30years business-round-table propaganda. For SOME things centralisation and world government is IMMENSELY practical, if fact its the only way it can work.
Example: TAX FRAUD / TAX HAVENS.
The corporations and their bought IDEOLOGISTS
preach privatisation, because they can exert the
power with their lawyers. They utilise centralisation
because it is more efficient. They have corrupted the law, too.
please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF
... complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated.
please explain what you mean there.
Centralization of power is inefficient
The opposite is true.
Efficiency has nothing to do with morals.
Efficiency is NOT the same as GOOD.
Hitler was very efficient in killing jews.
LISTEN: http://abc.net.au/specials/saul/
(he is funny, too!)
Anarchism is about a parallel tendency toward unity and maximum diversity -- bottom up, not top down.
inside out and round and round, right?
la, la, lala lala la.
WTF are you?
I agree however that the elite would much prefer people worrying about the Bilderberg group than reading Chomsky and starting small small cooperatives based on anti-hierarchy, egalitarianism and so on. If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
Wow. That *sounds* very educated .... but where can I read such a critique?
By goddess, why would Chomsky be against democracy of any kind? Or against a constitution?
Who are you? Why are you planting this nonsense?
U2 wrote: “You are nuts
U2 wrote:
“You are nuts to think that an ACTUAL SINGULAR world government is anything more than a puerile fantasy, or
a dictator's wet dream.”
Me:
Actually that was my point. It would never work. You didn’t make that clear in your post however. So I responded. No need to get hysterical. We probably have fairly similar beliefs.
U2:
“However, there will be some universally enforcable laws, maybe even enforced by Brussels. The world will be governed by THE IDEAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, and the "government", i.e. the enforcers, will themselves be held accountable.”
Me:
Presumably you’re talking about delegation as opposed to (faux) representation, in which case I agree; ‘government’ becomes integrated into individual communities and federated horizontally.
The question of laws is more complex however. I prefer the idea of "lenes".
"Tribal laws are lenes by definition - they are received rules and guidelines for behavior in a society that have evolved, withstood the test of time and work in their environments. Tribal laws aren't introduced in committee, debated by tribal lobbyists and lawmakers, written in stone in the big book of tribal laws or enforced by the tribal policemen. Tribal laws are unique for each society because each society inhabits a unique environment - what works for an aggressive, xenophobic desert people wouldn't necessary work for laid-back, hospitable forest dwellers. Tribal laws generally don’t try to change human nature because people are just as likely to be selfish, boorish, disruptive or hostile as they are to be generous, gracious, attentive or peaceable. As lenes they instead work to bring the system back into balance and to correct the damage that occurs when people do behave in ways that aren’t beneficial. Tribal laws and lenes don’t require people to be angels in order to work - they accept the fact that people will behave like people have always behaved.”
Also see “anarchism as moral theory”
A chief aim of anarchist praxis, then, must be the abolition of codified, formal laws: "Anarchism . . . has from the time of Godwin rejected all written laws" (Kropotkin 1968:176). Instead, the community would be "regulated by customs, habits and usages" (1968:201), as well as the urges of conscience experienced by each of its members. The anarchist view, again, is that reference to external, written laws represents an abdication of the subject's capacity for moral self-direction -- an essential element of a social order without institutional coercion. As Kropotkin opines (1968:197): "We are so perverted by an education which from infancy seeks to kill in us the spirit of revolt, and to develop that of submission to authority; we are so perverted by this existence under the ferrule of a law, which regulates every event in life -- our birth, our education, our development, our love, our friendship -- that, if this state of things continues, we shall lose all initiative, all habit of thinking for ourselves." Moreover, codified laws require some institutional body for administration and enforcement, whereas internalized social norms can serve to cultivate deeper instincts for determining "right" and "wrong" by promoting broader access to the community's moral pulse.[*fn2]
http://www.geocities.com/bororissa/ana.html
Finally, I would recommend taking a look at Zinn’s article on the Bill of Rights.
This is a somewhat controversial matter. Chomsky believes in “expanding the floor of the cage” by protecting some state institutions against private power; others believe in building up organic communities completely outside of the state paradigm; others believe in a dual approach.
U2:
“LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
brain-wash-vistims like you:”
Me:
I’m not American, and yes I’ve read Graeber. Your hysterical response to my post is completely unwarranted.
U2:
"Anarchism is NOT NECESSARILY about decentralisation, and
certainly not about Brussel's or Bush's power, it is about POWER, period."
Me:
I’ll refer to you to Chomsky, whose take is consistent with 90% of other anarchist thinkers;
"Well, first of all, agreements don’t require centralized authority, certain kinds of agreements do. One’s assumption, at least, is that decentralization of power will lead to decisions that reflect the interests of the entire population. The idea is that policies flowing from any kind of decision-making apparatus are going to tend to reflect the interests of the people involved in making the decisions—which certainly seems plausible. So if a decision is made by some centralized authority, it is going to represent the interests of the particular group which is in power. But if power is actually rooted in large parts of the population—if people can actually participate in social planning—then they will presumably do so in terms of their own interests, and you can expect the decisions to reflect those interests. Well, the interest of the general population is to preserve human life; the interest of corporation is to make profits—those are fundamentally different interests."
U2:
"If the community decides that a decentralised aspect
works better, they have the power to adopt it.
Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.”
Me:
Self-determination is not possible without decentralization. Centralized power forces disparate groups into procrustean molds, otherwise known as the statist or “cookie-cutter” approach.
The anarchist economy "starts from below, not from above. Like an organism, this free society grows into being from the simple unit up to the complex structure. The need for . . . the individual struggle for life . . . is . . .sufficient to set the whole complex social machinery in motion. Society is the result of the individual struggle for existence; it is not, as many suppose, opposed to it." [George Barrett]
As Tom Brown argued, the "syndicalist mode of organisation is extremely elastic, therein is its chief strength, and the regional confederations can be formed, modified, added to or reformed according to local conditions and changing circumstances." [Syndicalism, p. 58]
U2:
“please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF”
Me:
Bin there done that.
... complex societies require maximum decentralization; corporations realize this -- only their profits are concentrated.
U2:
"please explain what you mean there."
Me:
The cybernetic mathematician John B. McEwan, writing on the
relevance of anarchism to cybernetics explains:
Libertarian socialists, synonym for non-indvidualist anarchism, especially Kropotkin and Landauer, showed an early grasp of the complex network of changing relationships, involving many structures of correlated activity and mutual aid, independent of authoritarian coercion. It was against this background that they developed their theories of social organiza-tion....[8]
The increasing complexity of society is making anarchism MORE and NOT LESS relevant to modern life. It is precisely this complexity and diversity, above all their overriding concern for freedom and human values that led the anar-chist thinkers to base their ideas on the principles of diffusion of power, self-management and federalism. The greatest attribute of the free society is that it is self-regulating and "bears within itself the seeds of its own re-generation" (Buber)
John Kenneth Galbraith in the "New Industrial State" wrote, "In giant indus-trial corporations AUTONOMY IS NECESSARY FOR BOTH AND SMALL DECISIONS AND...LARGE QUESTIONS OF POLICY...the comparative advantages of atomic and molecularfor the generation of scientists, technical, economic, and planning judge-ments. ONLY A COMMITTEE, OR MORE PRECISELY, A COMPLEX OF COMMITTEES CAN COMBINE THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT MUST BE BROUGHT TO BEAR...(p.111). THE EFFECT OF THE DENIAL OF AUTONOMY AND THE INABILITY OF THE TECHONOSTRUCTURE(coporate centralized industry) TO ACCOMODTE ITSELF TO CHANGING TASKS HAS BEEN VISIBLY DEFICIENT OPERATIONS...THE LARGER AND MORE COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS ARE,THE MORE THEY MUST BE DECENTRALIZED..." (emphasis in all above quote has beenadded)
The reviewers of John M. Blair's critique of economic centralization (New York Times Book Review, 9-10-72) find that Blair's researches are most impressive in debunking the myth that large scale, centralized enterprises are more efficient...the largest railroad in America, Penn Central, couldn't keep track of its boxcars...The most successful of all industrial behemoths, General Motors, long ago decentralized its operations; only the profits are concentrated."
U2:
"Efficiency is NOT the same as GOOD.
Hitler was very efficient in killing jews."
Me:
Yes point taken there. I assumed we were talking about “efficiency” in terms of what is good for human beings.
If more people would read Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy or American-stye "constitutionalism" we'd be alot better prepared.
U2:
"Wow. That *sounds* very educated .... but where can I read such a critique?
By goddess, why would Chomsky be against democracy of any kind? Or against a constitution?"
Me:
Because Chomsky insn’t a constitutionalist, and he doesn’t believe American “democracy’ is any such thing.
"...[T]he main designer, James Madison, was an astute, political thinker, and also a very lucid one. His views largely prevailed. Madison eloquently upheld the call for the preservation of the sacred faith, or the sacred fire, of liberty that he wrote into George Washington's Inaugural Address. But it's important to understand his quite clear and explicit ideas about the kind of liberty that had to be preserved. These ideas perhaps come out most clearly in the debates on the constitutional convention in 1787. Madison focused on England naturally -- that's the model for a democratic society that they would look at at the time. He pointed out that, I'm quoting him "in England at this day, if elections were opened to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure, and agrarian law would soon take place." What we would call agrarian reform would infringe on property rights. The sacred fire of liberty that he spoke of is to burn most brightly to preserve the rights to own property, which are privileged above all others. Madison went on in the debates to warn that the new government that they were framing, that they were constructing, had to be designed in such a way to ward off the injustice that would come from a functioning democracy, as in the example mentioned. That is, I'm quoting him again, "it would have to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation with a variety of devices to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority."...meaning that democracy has to be a very limited system. That remained the guiding principle of the framing of the constitution up until today, not only here but also in the forms of democracy that the United States has been willing to tolerate elsewhere...
http://www.epiic.com/newsletter/chomsky.html
Centralised decentralised ... as long as the trains run!
> No need to get hysterical.
Just because I am a woman I am NOT hysterical @#$%^&
> We probably have fairly similar beliefs.
You said that before. That's suspicious!
> The question of laws is more complex however.
> I prefer the idea of "lenes".
well, how about a "lene" then, that outlaws whaling of
humpback?
> Tribal laws are unique for each society
Isn't there very much a world society now?
> Tribal laws and lenes don’t require people to be angels
It has to be said.. We are not angels.
Great wisdom.
> rejected all written laws" (Kropotkin 1968:176).
So, you are one of those now?
> Instead, the community would be "regulated by customs,
> habits and usages" (1968:201)
in the USA it is customary that unelected corporations
rule. It is the habit of the people to accept that, and
they use this fact in many ways.
Your intellectual references are contrived.
How about you said something we all WISH to understand.
Like, in your own words.
> subject's capacity for moral self-direction
contradicts the non-angel argument.
> This is a somewhat controversial matter. Chomsky believes
> in “expanding the floor of the cage” by protecting some
> state institutions against private power; others believe
> in building up organic communities completely outside of
> the state paradigm; others believe in a dual approach.
Tomorrow the day will have 24 hours again.
Let me get you the exact Chomsky quote:
In today's world, I think,
the goals of a committed anarchist
should be to defend some state institutions
from the attack against them,
while trying at the same time
to pry them open to more meaningful public participation
- and ultimately, to dismantled them
in a much more free society,
if the appropriate circumstances can be achieved.
Noam Chomsky
Power & Prospects isbn 1-86448-112-9 page 75
>> U2:
>> “LISTEN TO GRAEBER ... he explains anarchism for American
>> brain-wash-vistims like you:”
> Me:
> I’m not American, and yes I’ve read Graeber. Your
> hysterical response to my post is completely unwarranted.
DON'T KEEP SAYING HYSTERICAL.. thats a sexist statement!!!
Maybe you haven't listened to him:
http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=18344
> I’ll refer to you to Chomsky,
> whose take is consistent with 90%
> of other anarchist thinkers;
Nice quote.
http://teddycriminal.gnn.tv/blogs/5507/Who_Thinks_Being_a_Socialist_is_R...
>> Anarchism is about SELF DETERMINATION.”
> Self-determination is not possible without
> decentralization. Centralized power forces disparate
> groups into procrustean molds, otherwise known as the
> statist or “cookie-cutter” approach.
That is indeed a problem.
>> please watch THE CORPORATION by Achbar
>> please listen to ALEX CAREY (radio4all.net, tucradio.org)
>> please internalise THE CENTURY OF SELF”
>Bin there done that.
I don't believe you. Without looking it up, prove that you have seen "the century of self".
I think its actuall better to HEAR it on mp3 UG315 to UG 318!
>>> ... complex societies require maximum decentralization;
>>> corporations realize this -- only their profits are
>>> concentrated.
>> "please explain what you mean there."
> The cybernetic mathematician John B. McEwan,
blah blah..
> John Kenneth Galbraith in the "New Industrial State"
> wrote, "In giant indus-trial corporations AUTONOMY IS
> NECESSARY FOR BOTH AND SMALL DECISIONS AND...LARGE
> QUESTIONS OF POLICY...the comparative advantages of
> atomic and molecular for the generation of scientists,
> technical, economic, and planning judge-ments. ONLY A
> COMMITTEE, OR MORE PRECISELY, A COMPLEX OF COMMITTEES CAN
> COMBINE THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT MUST BE BROUGHT
> TO BEAR...(p.111). THE EFFECT OF THE DENIAL OF AUTONOMY
> AND THE INABILITY OF THE TECHONOSTRUCTURE (corporate
> centralized industry) TO ACCOMODTE ITSELF TO CHANGING
> TASKS HAS BEEN VISIBLY DEFICIENT OPERATIONS...THE LARGER
> AND MORE COMPLEX ORGANIZATIONS ARE,THE MORE THEY MUST BE
> DECENTRALIZED..." (emphasis in all above quote has
> been added)
That's just ONE person, CLAIMING IT.
I believe that in a modern computer-controlled society
centralization is the main modus operandi for corporations.
Galbraith is dead, isn't he?
Glabraith also said:
Once the great dialectic was capital versus Labour.
Now it's the conflict between the comfortable and
the deprived.
And the comfortable see government as the threat, because
it is the only hope for the deprived.
I see great sense in having a cool, big government.
I want bullet-trains and classy passenger-jets, and
universal laws restricting the excesses of the rich.
I begin to believe that you are stuck in the past.
> The reviewers of John M. Blair's critique of economic
> centralization (New York Times Book Review, 9-10-72) find
yeah blah blah.
In my book it is centralized if an enterprise works
together with lots of decentralised subsidiaries.
I recommend you go an life in Germany for a while.
From my experience they have a clear understanding
of the beauty of centralized power:
http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/location/story.cfm?l_id=44&objectid=10388825
> Chomsky's critique of Madisonian democracy
> http://www.epiic.com/newsletter/chomsky.html
Ah yes, thanks for the reminder.
Violence
There will be a civil war before Americans accept a country like you describe. We are charitable people and naive as hell, but not so long ago our ancestors busted their asses for breadcrumbs. We are armed and ready and will not go back to that way of living.
The next attack will be be biological or chemical. The government needs to keep its sheep contained and isolated from the world. Be prepared people, the next one will be big and I gather it will be before mobs convene on D.C. and New York for the Sept. 11th anniversary. We need terror in our hearts again.
There will be a civil war
There will be a civil war before Americans accept a country like you describe.
You may be wrong. There are many people that know how useless violence is.
We are charitable people
about average. However you are above average braggarts.
and naive as hell,
I think this may be a myth, too. Wily, maybe?
According to CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN there are some class-A con-men amongst yous.
but not so long ago our ancestors busted their asses for breadcrumbs.
Yes, the many honest ones. But there were quite a few who killed Native Americans, exploited chinese workers and defrauded the many honest ones. There were also many who died for more worker's rights. I can recommend the PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES by Howard ZINN.
We are armed and ready and will not go back to that way of living.
armed and ready to kill others... that part is true.
But even that is just a function of forced circumstances.
If you Americans are allowed to think for yourselves, and you are free to act... yes, indeed many a good thing can come of it.
I agree that most rich people, when being faced with givin up their riches, or alternatively kill strangers... will do the latter.... IF THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
The next attack will be be biological or chemical.
maybe true. But the military arseholes have an aversion against bio/chem weapons. They know that once they are used, all their military might is not much good, because either they defend corpses, or become corpses themselves.
The government needs to keep its sheep contained and isolated from the world. Be prepared people, the next one will be big and I gather it will be before mobs convene on D.C. and New York for the Sept. 11th anniversary. We need terror in our hearts again.
Nice black comedy..
seriously... I concur with the Loose Change 3some. The perps CANNOT do another one...
They don't want a reminder of Anthrax-attacks.. it will mean to many unanswered questions.
Civil War
And where are you from? And why is your cuntry so bloody amazing? Australia maybe? A nice muslim spice island. We may currently be braggerts, but we are also dedicated to old patriotic ways, and NOT the ways of the current administration. Yes, violence is useless, but when I have government intruders at my door, their brains will be but a beautiful palate upon my doorstep.
Does anyone else have
Does anyone else have problems downloading some of these larger files from 911podcasts?
Using Firefox, I'm on my 5th attempt now to download the WHOLE 24 MB mp3 of this talksports show. It begins, it makes progress, few MBs or even tens of MBs, then just stops and reports it's completed, when infact it only grabbed a fraction of the file. It even tells the proper total file size as it's downloading, 24 MB in this case, and how much progress it's made, so it SHOULD know that when it only gets 10 MBs, it's NOT DONE.. but yet it reports "Done."
I recall the same thing happened with the CSPAN .wmv file which was around 180 MBs... took be multiple tries, and finally got the whole file. I don't know what the rhyme or reason is to success vs failure.
I did just try to download the Jones file with MS IE, and it acted the same, cutting short after just a few MBs, and saying it was completed.
wget to download
download
http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+download
and put the wget.exe into your C:\WINDOWS folder.
COPY SHORTCUT (COPY LINK) of the download
START - RUN
cmd (ENTER)
type
wget -Nc{space}
do not type {space}
just use the SPACE-BAR on the keyboard
then then click into the top-left corner of that DOS-window,
click EDIT >> PASTE (or use ALT-E-P)
press enter.
This will download the file.. and continue where you left off (resume).
or use
http://www.cybershade.us/winwget/
DOWNLOAD complete package:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/winwget/WinWget_0.20beta_setup.exe?do...
for a graphical user interface.
(I have NOT tried it, but I think it will be great)
Idiot
Who's that stupid idiot at the end of the show? The one who insults Alex Jones? The next presenter?
U2, I responded to your post
U2, I responded to your post above. In future I recommend less hostility, especially toward people who largely agree with your philosophy.
Does anyone else find it "funny"
how Alex Jones's Prison Planet website now has the most ridiculous bright red & yellow advertisement at the very top of the page, where for any new visitors to his site, it's the first thing that they see.
Screen capture of the top of the Prison Planet main page
Especially since he's trying to position himself as the defacto "leader" of 9/11 truth -- even though in the past, he's said otherwise. And since his traffic might be significantly higher as of late, with the 5th anniversary approaching, and with world events as they are, more people willing to look at alternative theories and explanations regarding 9/11. And since his sites are pretty popular, with a lot of new people possibly visiting because friends or family members have told them about it. And because of the repeated mention of his website addresses on Alan Colmes' radio show when Alex was recently a guest.
Then -- as if the advertisement wasn't already crazy enough, both in color and content -- the very next thing that a new visitor sees is the neon green "Terrorstorm" advertisement, which is quite possibly the most amateur looking text/graffic that has been featured at Prison Planet ever. What happened to the slicker title graffic?
Does anyone else see the discreditory value of purposely having the very first things that new visitors see, being the most amateur looking garbage?
Too suspicious.
Add one more reason to the list of why I believe that Alex Jones is a fraud.
I don't think Alex Jones is
I don't think Alex Jones is a fraud. Well it depends how you define fraud. I certainly don't think he's an agent, but then I don't think he has any solutions worth talking about either. He's just an extremely paranoid paleoconservative with a primitive sense of aesthetics.
I think Alex is an agent,
I think Alex is an agent, but not solely disinformation; an agent of many stripes.
I don't even know if agent is the correct word to use. Maybe Deep Cover Operative is more suiting.
eh, not really, i hate his
eh, not really, i hate his politics in a lot of ways, he thinks global warming is some kind of fraud and global conspiracy that all the scientists of the world are in on, which is laughable,he drops the ball regularly when he has politicians on, and he is too "flashy" for lack of a better word, with his style, but i think people here are obbsessed with bashing him and nitpicking him to death. he is an asset to truth and the flow of information. real information. people may show up on his website and be turned off by the colors you speak of, but that doesnt mean the content of the important stories he regularly posts are not gonna be read. Alex Jones gets micomanaged like crazy around here. some people are friggin obbsessed.
No way Alex is an agent
I thought he was an agent for awhile. Wondering if he would not touch on a topic or be selective like Chomsky but he talks about everything tainted vaccines, 9/11 and even Chemtrails.
Alex Jones regularly mentions the Rothchilds and Rockefellers even people you never hear of anywhere else, even in alternative news.
Now i look at other tv and radio hosts and i wonder why they don't name names like Alex does.
Alex is loud and abnoxious but he has drawn attention to the worlds "real history" like no one else. As for ads or cheesy banners on his sites. He has 5 sites and a level of quality to maintain in his movies or events or people call him an amateur. Good for him making money with the truth because way to many make it from lies.
"I thought he was an agent
"I thought he was an agent for awhile. Wondering if he would not touch on a topic or be selective like Chomsky but he talks about everything tainted vaccines, 9/11 and even Chemtrails."
Does he talk about the factory takeovers in Argentina? Does he talk about the current rate of extinction? Does he talk about Co2 emissions? Labor conditions in 19C Amerika? Does he mention how anarchists and socialists are responsible for ending child labor in Amerika and instituting a minimum wage? Does he talk about alternatives to capitalism and Marxism? Does he talk about Madison's opinions on the "minority of the opulent" in the Federalist papers? Does he talk about the Trilateral Commission's terror in the 1960's over the "excess' of democracy?
And so on and so forth.
Jones is fine for conspiracy ranting, but for solutions and core analysis I'll take Chomsky any day.
Chomsky is a gatekeeping
Chomsky is a gatekeeping old, out of touch jackoff that keeps people like you(not you specifically) going in circles while getting NOTHING done. his east timor work has really changed the world huh? give me a fucking break.
Chomsky=false prophet
Left Denial on 9/11 Turns Irrational
by Jack Straw
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/05/1736367.php 6 May 2005
www.globalresearch.ca 8 May 2005
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/STR505A.html
People like Noam Chomsky and Ward Churchill are turning toward the irrational as they continue to deny increasing signs that 9/11 was an inside job.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STR505A.html
Noam Chomsky - Controlled
Asset Of The New
World Order
Commentary
By Daniel L. Abrahamson
DLAmedia@yahoo.com
9-27-5
"Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge. Furthermore, he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he never mentions the Federal Reserve and their role in manipulating the cycle of debt. Similarly, he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur..."
Noam Chomsky is often hailed as America's premier dissident intellectual, a fearless purveyor of truth fighting against media propaganda, murderous U.S. foreign policy, and the crimes of profit-hungry transnational corporations.
He enjoys a slavish cult-like following from millions leftist students, journalists, and activists worldwide who fawn over his dense books as if they were scripture. To them, Chomsky is the supreme deity, a priestly master whose logic cannot be questioned.
http://www.rense.com/general67/noam.htm
The Chomsky/Blankfort Polemic
It's interesting that newspapers note as do newscasters on the air, that no criticism is likely to be made of Israel by the president or members of Congress during an election year but they never explain why. The left, led by Chomsky, pretends to be unaware that the question even exists.
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/1727000.php
Where Noam will not roam:
Chomsky manufactures consent by supporting the official stories of 9/11 and JFK
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
- Noam Chomsky
"I agree that Professor Chomsky is not a CIA agent. But with respect to his pronouncements on the JFK assassination he is worse than a CIA agent. Without being an agent, with his enormous prestige as a thinker, as an independent radical, as a courageous man, he does the work of the agency. ... He is unconvinced by the evidence of a conspiracy, but his is utterly convinced that JFK was a consummate cold warrior who could not have changed and did nothing to irritate the military industrial intelligence complex."
- Vincent Salandria
http://www.oilempire.us/chomsky.html
Chomsky has NOTHING on Alex JOnes because Alex Jones isnt some elitist control valve like your boy Chomsky. Alex Jones is far from perfect, hes downright annoying sometimes, but his work is important and hes doesnt censor himself like Chomsky does. you fell for it.
solutions? has Chomsky
solutions? has Chomsky solved anything or has he just ranted about those things you listed without any real results? conspiracy talk you say? you mean like 9/11? JFK? were they not conspiracies? are they not worth talking about? according to your hero Chosmky, no, they should be ignored at all costs. what a douche.
Alex Jones a Fraud?
I have been coming to this site for better part of year now, and I like it....Good site lot's of info updated regularly..I figured I would get my feet wet on this thread and make my first post..... :)
No, Alex is not a Fraud...the man is obnoxoius, loud, even exaggerate's from time to time, but he's not a fraud....he believes in what he is doing, so do I, and ALOT of people in this country...I woke up to the new world order because of him, and have an EMENCE amount of respect for the man, I personally consider Alex a modern day Paul Revere....As far as the banners go I think it cost's ALOT of money to keep up all the websites he has, and although I don't like those banners, the bills still have to get paid, and this is one way to do it....Besides I have no problem with him making money off the truth, Like somebody said earlier.....
I was wondering if you guys over here notice a every time there is a BIG news about 9/11 there is a terror video released by the evil empire? Example.....Nist is going to investigate wether WTC 7 was downed by bombs. Within 48 hours of that news, An Al Zarwahiri(Bin Laden's # 2)video tape was released... Back in June Dr. Jones went public about the thermate and then with in 24 hours there was a Bin Laden Audio tape, and with in 48 hours, there was an Al Zarwahiri video tape and with in a week Zarqawi was dead in Iraq....
These are not coincidences, I have watched the truth movement in real time headed by Alex Jones actually MAKE the establishment respond....Next time Major news about 9/11 comes out, watch the establishment's response...
Alex is a good guys on our side......
I'm listening right now
and this interview is awesome. Alex is doing a really fantastic job.
You've got to take his grandstanding and his fundamentalist Christian Patriotism with a shaker of salt. You don't have to believe everything he says, but you can't deny that he's a necessary voice, he's got a phenomenal memory, and he's got his finger on the pulse of the NWO.
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Hi,
This is going to be kinda long, But take 6-7 Minutes and read it all, I feel it is important for us to know. Some of it you may already know but i want to add it all in.
First In 1962 Operation Northwoods was Introdused to JFK, He said no, and was killed in 1963, I think because he stood in the way of the NWO and People in the Govt killed him and may have framed Lee Oswald. After his death in 1963. Something happened in 1964, Not to familar with it, But in 1964 I think America attacked its own people. I also heard something similar may have happened in 1967. I am 100% Possitive it happened in 1953.
Meanwhile, Bush is a DevilWorshipper
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com
He hides behind the christian Faith, In order to decieve the american public b/c most are christian.
Christians Arent Members of Bohemian Grove and meet every July and go nude in a coffin and get born again to Lucifer.. And practice Mock child sacrices to the owl (Which is on the $1 Bill)
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Rel...ove_exposed.htM
(Scroll down to 1/2 the page)
These people Meet Every July in northern Calirfornia and do this crap, I also heard in the 80's People were murdered on camera for fun.
These people believe lucifer is God, and Believe he will rein for 1000 years. This is what the New World Order is about.
Bush said "You are with us...Or you are with the terrorist"
If you arw christian You are considered the terrorist. They want everybody to join this Lucifer Worshipping NWO.
In order to Prove YOU ARE NOT a TERRORIST you will have to take an RFID Verichip IN your RIGHT HAND or FOREHEAD, and Pleage Alliance to Lucifer and the NWO.
They are 600-800 Consentration Camps in america Ready to go.
I think it may already be starting:
First let me tell you all to check out http://www.nbc10.com/news/4077250/detail.html
I Live in PA, I used to Live in NJ, And nbc10 was our viewing area.
Look at the Here Located on this website, which the FBI Calls Hate groups: http://www.exposingsatanism.org/FBI_list.htm
Notice on the bottom left, where the orange arrow is pointing, It says Christian Idenity.
You may also want to check out
http://hatelawsexposed.org/
I posted this earlier but I wanna do it again to help getting a better idea on the timeframe, Here is some insight on Bohemian Grove:
Bohemian Grove:
Before I start Talking about Bohemian Grove, I just want you all to know that I strongly Recommend that you do not discuss this in public or Talk about this where People can hear you. This is something that people who participate in Bohemian Grove, do not want anybody to know about what goes on in Northern California Every July. I can not be held responsible for any Illegal actions taking by evil politicians or members of Bohemian Grove.
Bohemian Grove first started in 1872 and and Located on 2700-acres of Land Near the Town of ForestVille, CA and about 10 Miles WNW of Santa Rosa, CA. It was first started as an arts Club, But later and quickly changed. Every July All kinds Of Leaders in Government, Politics and Business Tycoons, usually not more then 2000-2500 members gather here for a period of about 2 weeks Around Mid-July. Only men are allowed to join Bohemian Grove. So This is coming up again for the 134th annual gathering as we go into the Bohemian Grove of 2006.
There are rituals that go on inside Bohemian Grove, supposedly by Pagans and Satanists Alike. These go on for a period of 2 weeks, and the rituals include owl worship and worship of other false gods. Bohemian Grove started in 1872, However these Satanist rituals and owl worship didnt begin until 1873. The Owl worship is an Owl statue appox. 40 feet high and is called Moloch. There is also talk these people either wear black and white robes or do not wear any clothes at all. About 20% of the members engage in public homosexual activities. There Main headquarters is in the Bohemian building in San Francisco.
Do you have a dollar bill in front of you? Take a dollar Bill and on the Front of the dollar near the One, The owl that is worshipped is located between the 1 and the Leaves. Here you can see it better here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Rel...ove_exposed.htm
Scroll Down to about Half way And you will see the Owl. You can also read more about Bohemian Grove grove there if you like.
Also notice how the Owl of Bohemian Grove is on the 1 Dollar Bill. I will tell you how 9/11 is on the 10 and 20 Dollar Bills, when I talk about 9/11 in a future Conspiracy, Most people already know there its there, But I will re-share it anyways, just in case you do not know. It tells me how 9/11 was an inside job. I will talk about that in about 2 weeks from now. As for now lets continue with Bohemian Grove.
Our current President, George W Bush as well as other Members of Government have been and continue to goto Bohemian Grove. Other Members such as: Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush, Alan Greenspan, Dwight Einenhower, Robert Novak, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Dick Cheney.
Mock Child Sacrifices Have not Started Until Around the Early 20th Century. Mock Child Sacrifices have been caught on tape by Alex Jones and Printed in the pamplets at Bohemian Grove. These Sacrifices and Rituals are done for the owl statues and pagan gods.
The reason None of these people ever faces charges is Because the world is Corrupt and evil, and Because they are all in it together. Also people who do reports about Bohemian Grove or capture footage of any of this usually Disappear. Alex Jones is an exception.
Here is the 2700 Acres of where the Bohemian Grove is Located, shown by Satellite You may zoom in and out as desired and change the View Options on the top right hand side. Please Click the link Below to see.
http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=38500725&x=-12...64&z=15&l=0&m=h
There is a large fire under the Owl sometimes during the Grove. Click the Link Below to watch:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=88...=Bohemian+Grove
Please check back next week on why at least 60% but upto 90% Of Florida will be part of the Atlantic Ocean. Also parts of California, New Jersey as well as North Carolinas Outer Bands and Hawaii to be wiped off the map. Until then Please check out http://www.jesus-is-savior.com Not only so much about Bohemian Grove, but a lot of other interesting Information about dozens of topics.
Sources:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com , http://www.infowars.com , www.bibliotecapleyades.net , http://www.wikipedia.org
Why i think the Rounding up in Concentration camps worldwide May begin around 2018..Around..could be 2015-2025, But heres why i think this:
This shall know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphermers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of Pleasure more then lovers of God. Having a form of godliness, But denying Its power, Have nothing to do with them" -2nd Tomohty Ch3
Fornication, Homosexuality, Abortions, Rape, Drug Use, Pedophila, Atheism, and Child Molestations are at record highs around the world.
95% Of the world has premarital sex. Homosexuality is growing, Almost 10% Of america has had at least 1 homosexual experience. 50 Million America Babies have been murdered In America since the 70's. 40 Million Babies are murdered Every Year Around the World. 3 Million Kids under 18 Smoke Dope. 1 in 20 men will Molest at least 1 child before they die, But only 1 in 3000 Women will molest a child. 1 in 3 Girls will be raped in there lifetime. Atheism doubled in America since 1995, From 8% to now 16%&, Only 86% Believe in God, 70% In a Christian God, the rest worship False Gods. As far as Pedophila Well Watch Dateline Wednesday or goto www.perverted-Justice.com or goto a chat room pose as a 13 year old girl and watch Yourself get 20Ims! Do you really think we will go without Judgment?
"And there shall be signs in the Sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of all Nations, with perplexity, and the seas and the waves will be roaring" - Luke 21
In 2012 There is expected to be the worst solar storm in nearly 150 Years, and It is expected to knock nearly 30-40 Satellites out of orbit in space. December of 2004 tsunami was the so great it caused a knock off the earth axis by 1". It killed upto 285,000 people in 13 nations around the Indian Ocean, Registering 9.0-9.3 On the rector scale. The atlantic Hurricane season was the most Active on record for 2005, with 28 Named storms, (Ave 9) with I think 16 Becoming Hurricanes (Ave 6) and 9 Becoming Major Hurricanes (Ave 2). In 2004, There was the First hurricane to form south of the Atlantic, Meteorologists were baffled and it was deemed impossible. Also in 2004, There were 15 Named Storms, and Of the All 5 time most costliest Hurricanes, 2 Out of the 5, Were in the Year 2004. There is One more very important part of this that May happen, and it may involve Florida being wiped off the map, I will save that for my next conspiracy. So make sure you check back next week!!
"And you shall hear of Wars and Rumors of Wars: See that ye not be troubled, for all these things must come to pass, for the end is not yet" Matthew 24
We had WW1 From 1914-1918, and WW2 From 1939-1945, The rumors of wars lasted until the 60's with people building bomb shelters fearing a Nuclear Bomb.
"For Nation Shall Rise against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom, There shall be famines, and earthquakes, and pestilences, in diverse Places" -Matthew 24
Earthquakes have increase about 30% Since 100 years ago, and Expecting in the year 2012 They expect earthquakes to skyrocket with the upcoming Solar storms and Upcoming Pole Shift. Also The 20th Century and 21st Centuries have seen some of the worst Pestilaces in History, With The bird flu killing 50 Million people in 1918 and The SARS Virus killing 300 Million through the 20th Century. AIDS has killed 25 Million people since 1981. Africa famines threatening the entire continent.
"And I looked, and Behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him is Death, and Hell Followed Him. And power was given unto him over 25% part of the earth with hunger and with death and of the BEASTS of the earth." -Rev 6
The bird flu could kill 1 Billion people if It really got out of hand.
"I will gather all Nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into Judgement against them, concerning my in heritance, my prople of Israel, for they have scattered my people among all nations and DIVIDED Up my land. -Joel 3
The Link says it all
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=93699
"The 6th Angel Poured Out His Bowl on the great River Euphrates, and its water was Dried up to Prepare for the Kings of the East" -Rev 16
Since 1990 Turkey has built a Huge Dam that can stop the Flow of the Euphrates River! Source: www.endtime.com
"No one knows the day nor Hour, no not the angel in heaven, But my Father Only" -Matthew 24
I do not know the day and Hour, No one does, But i know the seasons, and he allows us to know the seasons. Keep reading It will be around 2018, Give or take a year, The Tribulation Will last for 7 years Until the second Coming around 2025.
"Now learn this lesson from the Fig tree, As soon as its twigs get tender, and its leaves come out, You will know the Summer is Nigh. Even at the Doors. This generation Shall Not pass Until all These Things be Fulfilled" -Matthew 24
If you read the Old Testiment I think in Joel, The fig tree represents Israel, Which became a Nation in 1948, A generation Is how Long people Live, Right Now we are on the 58th Year. People wont live til there 120? Will they?
I cant think of the verse for this, But Jesus said right before I return There Shall be False profits. The Divinci Code is telling lies about Christ, and another Movie called the Beast Came out on June 6th, Saying Jesus never existed. http://www.thegodmovie.com/
All shows, Such as South Park, Family Guy, and other shows Make up lies about Jesus. False Phophets are at a record high.
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -Revelation 13
Applied Digital Solutions, On the Nasdaq: ADSX has made a way to implant microchips under the skin, to keep track of everybody using RFID, It is also used in a cashless society. Here is a picture of somebody getting one in there hand! Notice the scriptures say "IN" the right hand. http://www.rfid-666.com/
Also,
In Late 2005 And Early 2006, The People of Israel have finished re-constructing the Furniture to be used in the "NEW" Temple Mount.
www.endtime.com
I don't know how long they have had these, But there are 600 concentration Camps Right here in America. Click Below to look at the Pictures. I expect people will be rounded up and put in the these concentration Camps, After Gun control is enacted around the globe. Don't be surpised if All gun owners in the World have the guns confiscated Before 2015. After they are placed here, The Government has forms of Mind Control. Source on mind control is http://www.infowars.com
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Concentration_Camps/
Since the As of Now, There are 25 Nations who are Part of the EU Or European Union, They plan on adding 2 New Nations by 2007 for a total of 27. After that, No new nations are expected until 2010. When we have all nations part of the EU, We have a NWO, or New World Order or, Global Government. I also heard that the number 11 is the Number for Global Government.
September 11th 1991.
September 11th 2001.
March 11th 2004
Feburary 11th 2005
May 11th 2005.
July 11th 2006
May 11th 2008.
There are others I cant think of
What will happen on 11/11/11??????
Also: The number 11 is considered a master number.
The first Great War, World War 1, ended on the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the 11th month. To this day,
victims and veterans are remembered at that specific time. In Tolkein's The Lord of the Rings, the number 11
is described as a curious number, and reaching your 111th birthday is an event. The USA skipped sequence
numbers on the Apollo moon missions to ensure it was Apollo 11 that landed on the moon. In ancient Egypt
King Tutankhamen's tomb had combinations of 11 in the jewelry he wore, and he had 11 oars placed on the
floor surrounding his tomb. The number 11, and particularly the number 33, have significance to Freemasons,
and other secretive groups.
In addition, there have been thousands of people worldwide who have recently expressed a strong feeling
towards 11. This has been widely reported for the last 5-10 years, and is now commonly referred to as
the 11:11 experience, referring to the time of 11:11.
The overwhelming quantity of elevens, surfacing from the events, people, and places related to the 9-11-2001
attacks, is remarkable. It is as if someone planned the events to occur around the number eleven. If it was
not planned, then the coincidence of the numbers, seems even more mysterious and improbable.
We have also found an 11-year cycle in Osama bin Laden's life. The life changing events occur every 11
years, when bin Laden is 11, 22, 33, and 44.
We have uncovered several patterns of elevens that have occurred before, during, and after the attacks.
The Dates
The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11 has 9 letters and 2 numbers: 9+2=11.
The number 911 is the telephone number for emergencies in North America.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
March 11, 2002, marked 6 months since the attack, and fell in the 11th week of 2002.
On March 11, 2002, New York City lit the sky with 88 (8 x 11 = 88) powerful GE bulbs that sent light beams
into the sky from the World Trade Center site. The next morning, on March 12, 2002, 11 FDNY firemen
were recovered from Ground Zero.
New York City - 11 Letters Flight AA11 & The Target
New York City - 11 Letters
The first plane to hit the towers was American Airlines Flight 11.
The Flight 11 call letters were AA11: A=1, A=1, AA=11.
Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names: AA=11.
The fifth AA11 hijacker was the pilot, Mohamed Atta, 11 letters, and AA in last name.
Flight AA11 had 92 people on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight AA11 had 11 crew members - 2 pilots and 9 flight attendants.
The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters.
The State of New York was the 11th State added to the Union.
Manhattan Island was discovered on Sept. 11, 1609 by Henry Hudson -11 letters.
Trade Center is 11 letters, and Skyscrapers is 11 letters.
World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22.
The WTC Twin Towers - standing side by side, look like the number 11.
The WTC Towers are each 110-storeys high.
The first WTC tower hit (North Tower) collapses at 10:28 A.M. -1+2+8=11.
The 1st Fire Unit to arrive to the WTC towers was FDNY Unit 1. Unit 1 lost 11 firemen.
The WTC towers collapsed to a height of 11 stories.
After 99 days of burning, NYC declares the WTC fires are extinguished - 9 x 11 = 99.
The World Trade Center fires burn continuously for 99 days, between September 11, 2001 and
December 19, 2001. The World Trade Center fire is the longest burning commercial fire in U.S. history.
On September 7, 2002, NYC Medical Examiners announced the revised official
death toll from the World Trade Center attacks was 2,801 - (2+8+0+1 = 11).
On the morning of September 11, 2002 the names of 2,801 victims were read at a Ground Zero
Ceremony. It took 2 ½ hours to read all the names.
The Pentagon - 11 letters Flight UA77 & The Target
The Pentagon - 11 letters
The plane that hit the Pentagon was United Airlines Flight 77 -11 x 7 =77.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.
The target of Flight 77 was The Pentagon - 11 Letters.
One of the walls of The Pentagon collapses at 10:10 A.M.
Colin Powell - 11 letters People & Places
George W. Bush - 11 letters
According to the FBI, earlier terrorists originally planned to hijack 11 planes.
Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names.
Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim faith, died in 632 A.D. - 6+3+2=11.
The Taliban's Manual of Afghan Jihad (Holy War) is 11 volumes.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran - 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.
The League of Arab States is comprised of 22 Arab nations - 2 x 11 = 22.
The suspected base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
Osama bin Laden's birthplace is Saudi Arabia - 11 letters.
Ramzi Yousef - convicted of orchestrating the 1993 WTC attack - 11 Letters.
The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters.
Deputy PM, & Minister of Foreign Affairs for Israel - Shimon Peres - 11 Letters.
President Bush and the White House Elevens
©September11News.com
The President of the USA - George W. Bush - 11 letters.
The previous USA President - Bill Clinton - 11 letters.
The US Secretary of State - Colin Powell - 11 letters.
Independence Day in the USA is July 4th - 7 + 4 = 11.
The US President's plane is Air Force One - 11 letters.
George W. Bush's Air Force One is numbered "29000" on the tail - 2+9+0+0+0 = 11.
George W. Bush & Bob Beckwith (11 letters) Fireman #164 - 1+6+4 = 11.
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Daily News Sept. 15th
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Sept. 17th Time Cover
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Bush & Bob Beckwith
Sept. 14, 2001
WTC Ground Zero
Feb. 25, 2002 Ceremony
George W. Bush & Bob Beckwith Fireman #164
On September 14, 2001 U.S. President George W. Bush visited Ground Zero at the World Trade Center.
In a now famous series of images President Bush uses a speaker (bull horn) to encourage WTC rescue
workers. Bush is flanked by a New York City fireman. The fireman is Bob Beckwith and the number on his
fireman's hat is 164 (1 + 6 + 4 = 11). Also, Bob Beckwith is 11 letters.
George W. Bush & Saddam Hussein's "11 Long Years"
Commencing in early September 2002 President George W. Bush refers to Saddam's last "11 years" in
virtually every major speech he gave in September, 2002. The following is a Bush speech on September
5, 2002, as quoted from The New York Times, "For 11 long years, Sadam Hussein has sidestepped,
crawfished, and wheedled, out of any agreement he made not to harbor or develop weapons of
mass destruction."
"The 6th Angel sounded his trumpet, And I heard, a Voice coming from the horns of the Golden alter that is before God. It said to the 6th angel that that the trumpet. "Release the four angels who are bound of the Great River Euphrates. And the four angels who have been kept ready for this very hour were released to kill one third of mankind. The Number of the Mounted Troops were 200 Million." Rev 9
Right now there are about 205 Million Chinese ArmyMen, Now If the Tribulation were to happen tomorrow, and it wont, and there is a pre-Trib Rapture, (Which I do Believe in, I will get to more of that Later) 10% Of The chinese are Christians. So If there is a pre-trip Rapture, After the Rapture will leave only about 185 Million, Not fulling Bible Phophecy. Around 2018, The Chinese Army may grow to about 220-225 Million, And After the Rapture, If it is Pre-trib, and I think It is. 10% Of the Chinese Will go up in the Rapture leaving about 200 Million!! Wow!
Saint Malachy was given a vision from God during the 12th Century A.D. He foresaw all the popes from then until the time of the Tribulation. There were 112 Popes in All. The last Pope, John Paul 2, was the 110th, Now we are at the 111th Pope, Which is Saint Benedict XVI, This is what is says about the last and final Pope. " In the Final Persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will Reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many TRIBULATIONS, After which is seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge (Who is Jesus), will Judge the People. Also Saint Malachy has been 100% Accurute in 850 Years!! Also this pope is 78 Years old. This Pope May be the Last, and the next Pope will be the Anti-Pope or False Phophet to welcome the Antichrist. The next pope is Expected to betray the Christian Faith.
In the Beginning God Created the heaven and the Earth, He took 6 days to Create the Heaven and Earth, and Rested on the 7th" -Genesis 1
Why Did Gid create 6 days to Create the Earth, and rest on the 7th, If he could have done it, In less then 1 second? But he didn't. He took 6 days and rested on the 7th. In the bible, It says 1000 years Is as 1 days In Gods Eyes, It also Says God Judges The end from the Beginning.
If God judges the end from the Beginning, In the Beginning He took 6 days to create the earth, and If 1 days is as a 1000 Years, Maybe God is trying to Tell us something, There were 4000 Years Before Christ or 4 days, And "ALMOST" 2000 Years After Christ or 2 Days. And when that time is up, It will be the 7th day or the last 1000 Years, Which is Christs Rein.
This is where it Gets really Interesting.
I know we are in 2006, However It is said That from 100B.C. Until 1582 A.D. A year around the world was counted as 360 days, Not 365.25 Days. So we lost time, We are not really in 2006. Technically we may have lost 25 years, and Are really in 1981.
Now lets say we are in 1981 in 12 Years from now, in 1993 or 2018, It will be 7 years from the year 2000 or 2025, And Since the Tribulation Lasts 7 years, The Tribulation will end in 2000 or 2025, Starting Christs Rein Until 3000 or 3025, Finishing the 7th days or the Full 7,000 Years Since God created the Earth.
Sources:
http://www.jvim.com, http://www.rfid-666.com, http://www.prophecyclub.com, www.endtime.com
These devil worshipper want to Start WW3....So if any nukes go Off...Dont think Iran or North Korea, Think Wshington D.C.
Check out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAHqSfDNjaI
He was right the first time:
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=81
No matter what, We might resist this evil satanic World Government, That are sacrificing People to help bring the NWO alive.
For more about Christianity
For more about Christianity and what 9/11 means, come to the site. Some of that stuff you put up from JVIM is way off.
News editor at The Watchman Report, www.watchmanreport.com, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community
Thanks, Micahyah -- I
Thanks, Micahyah -- I visited your site and found it a very interesting contribution to the Truth movement. My parents are both pastors and I will be pointing it out to them. The post immediately above yours freaked me out, and your site was a good antidote!
Religion and cults are tools used for control
WoaH! this this the most mind boggoling post related to current events and apocalyptic writting of the new testament, im also writting this to help my fellow truthers that might get scared with such post to understand the porpuse of such info.
I long investigated religion and its effects on society, and its known that is a tool used for control and inconsious manipulation of poeple's judgement. I dont mean that religion is all bad, it's been very useful to bring order into society and bring a psycological backbone to the mayority of the population of any given country, kindoms or empires to give them a reason to accept thier current situation, or given a motivation to thrive despite thier poor conditions.
Personally religion is a way to explain, situations, things and behaviors we dont understand. Kings, Emperors and secret societies needed ways to keep control of thier populations by releasing manuals or books, in this case bible's or manuscrips that focus on a all powerful being that at the end will bring justice to those that decide to believe in such idealism therefore backing up a story with such a powerful perception makes the bibles or books have solid backbone.
The human brain is capable of a immense diversity of feelings, behaviors, ideas and percetions that give way to Arts, sports, music, acting, personalities, imagination and so much more.
As you can see that there is are huge amounts of fuctions that our brain is capable of.
How will we make sense of all that our brain is capable and how we will organize the diferent personalities and lifestyles that humans have?
Religions, cults and the like, have been the natural response to all the chaos of human nature.
Each bible or book that belong to any give religion, has precise definitions to a huge amounts of behaviors of humans, and therefore have judgements or praise, depending on the moral of the book for each behavior. This texts have a huge amounts of examples of human situations, stories and events where they try to infuse thier judgment or use that as an example of something they will categorize as good or bad, depending on the values, morals or beliefs they want individuals, groups or whole societies to learn.
The Christian bible, which contains both Old Testament and New testament, along with the Jewish bible which only contains the old testament and the Muslim Bible, guide or whataver you want to call it, are the most detail texts in which its developers, had a strong insight into human nature and understood the most important behaviors and thoughts as to create text, that would bring specific order, discipline to the minds of those that are raised since kids unders heavy sposure of those teachings.
So in short Religion, cults and the like which try to give meaning to life, give a porpuse and try fill they void that most people have in their minds, they are accepted as explanations fo things that dont make sense to us, they give us confort by making us believe in a all powerful entity, that even if our of all life was to be a disaster, that at the end you will be given paradise where you will not suffer for eternity and the guilty will be punish forever.
The authors of the religions, didn't necesarely made religions for excluse manipulation with the focus to give power and authority to the group sponsoring the religion. Some religions like christian have extremily good morals, values and sense of justice that any civilize and rational society should have. It might have been written for good porpuse, but certian groups or secret societies could use this same informations to manipulate and control people, by disguising themselves and blending with the bible. Therefore they can get away with anything that they do, because they shield themselves with the words behind the bible or scripture.
I could point so many example how religions and cults mix morals or the situations of certain people to take advantage of them or get them to suppor thier group.
It is in our nature that we need to find a cause, a belief and a porpuse to make sense of our lives, religions and cults have been of use to keep society organized. I like to see the truth and not limit myself by any means. We do need rules, regulations and laws to mantain our darker side on control, but society has evolutionized, from kindoms and empires where there was not much information available to anybody, to more flexible societies, where we can share immense amounts of thoughts, ideas and data, therefore it is logical that control of nations by small families and societies is in it's last stand at keeping masive power and control over large societies and they trying thier hardest at using fear to keep people away from the truth.
We have to understand the influence of religions and cults on society, and how at all points in human history its been used for psycological confort or control of crowds, therefore we need to start outgrowing the need for them and still have the morals, values and principles that we need as a civilized society. I like to point out all this information because on how important is the roles of cults and religions on our current and past affairs. As in a recent post that claim the number 11 to be involved in a huge amounts of people, places and events sorrounding 911.
It is not hard to believe that the bush administration, groups and secret societies behind them or similar, have deep beliefs systems similar to a regilion or cult that motivates them to persuit power, manipulate and control societies and countries or as in the past kindoms and empires. The first step to defeat them is not throught force, but through understanding thier ideals, beliefs, modes of operation and specificaly EDUCATING OUR PRODUCTIVE WORKFORCE AND MILITARY ABOUT ALL THIS INFORMATION. I know the manipulators are powerful, but not invincible, they have huge amounts of money and influence, but as you see they are still defeatable, since the need to cover 911 shows that they are not confident(cocky) or powerful enought to take out the United States, therefore they must mislead the public to avoid being discovered. They also try to weaken the country by spending more money that they get from federal taxes. The tax cut made by bush only benefits wealthy corporations, not the middle or poor class, which makes for most citizens, when state and local taxes have raised in contrast, elimitating any possible benefit by federal tax cuts. Public official like Bush, cheney, rice, rumsfield are just decoys but still part of thier network.
So it is easely perceived that Religion now a days is used to manipulate groups and countries for the benefit of a few that underestand on how to shield or divert attention from their opperations. Change happens with teamwork, first we have to understand the minds of those that we are up against, thier dynamics, the limits that thier beliefs impose, and we have to be ready to replace the infraestructure that they controled with capable workers.
I believe that certain secret societies, those that hide behind religions and cults, would use code words or set up names and events around certain dates, places to execute thier plans.
It is of no surprise for those that realize this to spot those attemps at scaring people with pre-organized narratives of correlating events which are clearly chosen by those who carry on the acts.
Let me tell you one more manipulation that dont require a cult or religion but its part of the branch of the control tree, the Bush administration is earning less federal money by cutting taxes and expending more through war. War expending only benefits those making the weapons and supplies. Local and state taxes have been force to raise to cope for the extreme lack of federal funding. They are trying to ge the country into a crisis, where people is more worried about securing thier pay and basic needs, giving them the opportunity to push all thier agendas by making believe the population that by supporting them and electing them its the only way to get out of the crisis. They are creating anxiety by making the country broke and using fear to get thier plans going. 911 and most of the terror plots that come on the media are used to scare people into supporting their wars, which by the way are debunked in websites such as this.
To end this post, Maslow's hierarchy of need pyramid says at first level we need to cover our basic needs such as shelter and food, second level is to secure our basic needs(need for security which Bush admin is exploiting), then our social needs, after that is our worries about our status(Which corrupt people worry about). Bush is leading us to worry about how do we secure our basic needs as a job, which feed us and pay for our house(shelter), therefore we are more busy surviving than worrying about what's happening behind the curtains.
BYE BYE 911BLOGGER AND ALL TRUTH SITES
I HEARDON THE ALEX JONES RADIO SHOW IN ABOUT 2 YEARS, THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE INTERNET TRAFFIC CONTROL OR SOMETHING, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT ANY SITES LIKE THESE WILL BE BLOCKED FROM THE PUBLIC...ANY TERROR ATTACKS AFTER THIS BLOCK, NO TRUTH WILL GET OUT...MAYBE ALEX JONES CAN SEND US MAGIZINES.
Then technology similar to
Then technology similar to The Free Network Project (p2p layer) will take root.
http://freenetproject.org/
What is Freenet?
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Those having download
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chris=irrational chomsky hate ...
alex jones is PARTLY deluded, and partly CRIMINALLY CARELESS.
He is deluded about the NWO ... he does NOT KNOW what he is talking about.. he basically re-hashes myths from the patriot movement, myths PLANTED by FBI-types.
He is criminally careless about pandering to the right-wing mainly by BLAMING FOREIGNERS.
That's sooo stupid, that it is easy to forsee that bhe will find his mistake soon.
What stopped him so far s that he is afraid he already "sounds too much like a lefty".
He realizes that "sounding like a lefty" actually gives SATISFACTORY ANSWERS and it irks him, for one reason only.
He LOVES to be the centre of attention, and he will loose his income if his show gets cancelled.
He tries to make a careful trade-off between TRUTH (lefty) and NWO-patriot-gun-toting crap (TOLERATED=$$$)
Sad, really. But one could argue that this is the price we have to pay for "truth" to reach the pea-brained patriots.
I personally think he is OK if he ONE DAY COMES CLEAN.
"I just said the anti-foreigner stuff to keep my show. I perpetuated the NWO-half-truths and took part in mystification and myth-making JUST TO KEEP MY SHOW. I faked, and failed the truth, but I felt justified so that the STUPID GUN-WHACKOS and pro-death-penalty patriot-pea-brains were given a chance to wake up quicker."
Chomsky is far better on the truth department. Sure, he does not get into speculation about SECRET SERVICE BLACK OPS.
But he stated his reasons, and its my hunch that he will be vindicated. 911/JFK are straw-fires.. they burn quickly and consume all the fuel. It is more important to get a sustainable ORGANISATION running that can AGREE ON PRINCIPLES.
To be against JFK-murder and against 9/11 black-ops and against synthetic-terror is WAY NOT ENOUGH.
This is also the beef I have with Mein Herr Webster Tarpley. I am still suspicious about his Larouche connections. And Webster has a few times too often announced something would happen, when it didn't.
Chomsky has a near perfect track-record on predictions. But Chris is blind to that for his hatred is too great. I presume Chris is under 40 and as American as synthetic terror. He just cannot bear to have Chomsky being right. Chris convinces himself every day that NOBODY CAN BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, therefore Chomsky must be wrong. If Chris cannot find something untrue that CHOMSKY actually said.. he HAS TO accuse him of being wrong "in spirit" or "undercover" or of some other evil hidden agenda.
My condolences to such a state of mind.
Chris... it is bad luck to be superstitious ;-)
u2r2h
where are you from? can you
where are you from? can you refute anyhing in any of those CHomsky articles i posted? no? as usual you cant? cant say im surprised. friggin Chomsky groupie that you are, i guess you have so much invested in getting his back that it would tough for you to admit your heros faults at this point. Alex Jones is wrong on immigration, hes wrong on global warming, hes wrong on gay marraige, hes wrong on a lot. but hes not afraid to "go there" in regards to false flags and assassinations, unlike the coward CHomsky. Chomsky has done nothing but preach to his cult like choir. he has made ZERO difference, in fact, he has stopped his cult like followers from looking closer at 9/11 and other important issues. far better on the "truth department"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA, what a hilarious notion. the guy thinks Oswald acted alone. case closed dumbass. why are you here, if you,like CHomsky think that 9/11 isnt important? your a coward just like him. stop making excuses for that man just because hes your hero. hes a fucking coward. again i ask, since you always have bad things to say about americans, where are you from? what country are you in right now? why do you, as a foreigner fall for Chomskys bullshit when more and more americans are starting to see him as the control valve he is? your being played u2. your too gullible. Chomsky is not your saviour. he is a false prophet that keeps gullible fools like you going in circles while getting NOTHING done.answer the question for once you fucking coward, WHERE ARE YOU FROM, YOU ELITIST SCUM?
Chris is going bananas.
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Chris is going bananas.
Let me help you.
> where are you from?
Earth, like you.
> can you refute anyhing in any of those CHomsky
> articles i posted? no?
Nearly everything is contrived and unfounded.
Completely ridiculous, once you know the subject.
There is so much one could write about the
subjects discussed, but anyone who knows just
a tiny smither will agree that "the allegations"
are just no such thing.
> as usual you cant? cant say im surprised.
I could, but won't. Too much work.
You have assembled your little dodgy dossier...
I won't. Too much work for too little gain.
> friggin Chomsky groupie that you are,
> i guess you have so much invested
> in getting his back that it would tough
> for you to admit your heros faults at this point.
Please clarify this sentence. Invested?
What matter are my motives to the topic?
> Alex Jones is wrong on immigration,
> hes wrong on global warming,
> hes wrong on gay marraige,
> hes wrong on a lot.
agreed.
> but hes not afraid to "go there"
That's kinda the problem, you know.
> in regards to false flags and assassinations,
> unlike the coward CHomsky.
You seem infatiatued with assasinations and murder-stories.
Murders are usually just the last and most dirty
results of a policy ... policies that Chomsky describes rather well.
If you are interested in murder-mysteries, I can recommend
Miss Marple.
Honestly. I, too, would like to know WHO DID 911.
I am fascinated by murder-stories, as long as they have
a social background... you know.. the marxist thing
about owners vs workers.
> Chomsky has done nothing but preach to his cult
> like choir.
I know you regret that Chomsky hasn't preached
YOUR version to his cult. But thats a bit too easy.
You cannot ask other people to do YOUR work.
> he has made ZERO difference,
I think you have not followed the last 40 years.
> in fact, he has stopped his cult like followers from
> looking closer at 9/11 and other important issues.
He could have done something else, true.
But everybody has to do what (s)he has to do.
We are all so glad that forthcoming brilliant
intellects in your generation will take up the slack.
You are using this matter as a self-finding thing.
I congratulate you, then. It really doesn't matter what
I or you say... its what we do, and what we learn.
> far better on the "truth department"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA,
> what a hilarious notion. the guy thinks Oswald acted
> alone. case closed dumbass.
Oswald did not act alone. Nobody can say that.
Please provide the exact quote.
> why are you here, if you,like CHomsky think that 9/11
> isnt important?
You mean if I don't like it here, I should go to Cuba?
Where have I heard that before?
> your a coward just like him.
And you have a small penis.
> stop making excuses for that man just because hes your
> hero. hes a fucking coward. again i ask, since you always
> have bad things to say about americans,
aaahhh NOW we are getting there. You don't like people
who have bad things to say about America.
First of all, I say bad things about Honduras, Nicaragua,
Haiti, Cuba, Panama, Guatemala, Canada and Colombia, that is true. In all of these countries the USA has
been involved in unimaginable bloodbaths, and has done nothing to stop them. The USA has PAID the death squads or cowardly bombarded defenseless people. Watch this!
But you are right. The USA must be lauded for its
selfless sacrifices in sending 20year olds into battles
against inferiorly armed natives, in bringing the world's No1 war machine and the most elaborate secret-service trickery to bear against the mortal enemies of ...
uh, ah.. .. what? lets see if you can answer this question.
Hint: It is the crux of the matter.
> where are you from? what country are you in right now?
I won't tell you because I am afraid you will feel a grudge
towards that country and you may start a dossier against it, and we end up getting bombed, too.
> why do you, as a foreigner fall for Chomskys bullshit
> when more and more americans are starting to see him as
> the control valve he is? your being played u2.
Foreigners fall easily for dumb ideas. It's in their foreign nature.
> your too gullible.
Thanks for pointing that out. I think you are right.
> Chomsky is not your saviour.
Shit. Now you have done it. This really makes me angry.
> he is a false prophet
You say my prophet is false?
An you arrogant pisshead have a correct prophet?
> that keeps gullible fools like you going in circles
> while getting NOTHING done.
I'll get things done... I will send my army of gullible
foreigners to teach you CORRECT-PROPHET-BELIEVERS a
lesson that you will not forget!
> answer the question for once you fucking coward,
Call me a coward again and I will tell you a joke
that will kill you!
> WHERE ARE YOU FROM, YOU ELITIST SCUM?
I give you a hint:
In the house where I live we have a communal kitchen
(with a great italian stove). The regulars there,
which who I chat and joke often, are from:
Malaysia
India
Russia
Macedonia
Brasil
Germany
Sweden
New Zealand
China
Korea
England
Iran
and they are all jolly good dudes and dudesses.
We see very few US-americans recently.
My boyfriend met some on holiday, but they were not
willing to talk about their country. They apparently said
it was too depressing and they confessed that they often
tell foreigners that they are canadian.
Go pimp Chumpsky somewhere else
The guy's either irresponsibly ignorant or paid to act like it.
Either way he's an idiot.
the Chomsky groupie has millions of excuses.
hes actually paid to think that way. you'll notice i asked him 3 times, count em, 3 times where he was from. he said Earth. i have asked him at least 10 times in the past where he is from. still no answer. he regularly downplays the importance of 9/11(among other important topics), just like his hero Chomsky. the guy is beyond suspect at this point.
I kinda like the mystery
But dude, I think this "guy" has the double-X chromosome thing going on. Might want to switch pronouns.
Sexist Bastards ...
What about my chromosomes?
You stinking pillocks need a terminator gene in yours.
You can do nothing but hate!
I love Chomsky. So what?
Love makes the world go round, and you probably
are not getting any...
S/he
also thinks Loose Change final edition should focus on the No Planes theory...
go figure.
and once again, for about
and once again, for about the 40th time(literally), she has failed to state where she is from. that should make all of us think. its not a hard question. be wary of shills that pump up gatekeepers and bash truth tellers and cant even state where they are from. she comes here and bashes Alex Jones, who meets the unanswered questions of 9/11 head on, and regularly praises the gatekeeper Chomsky and makes excuses for him being a coward on the topic. she regularly dowplays the importance of 9/11, just like CHomsky. i question her motives. i think you all should.
She is happy again.
> and once again, for about the 40th time(literally),
you mean figuratively! Or maybe you cannot count.
> she has failed to state where she is from.
I'm Roger Rabbit from Chilicothe, OH. What's it to you?
> that should make all of us think.
Hmmm.. (oops, see, I am already following your advice)
> its not a hard question. be wary of shills that pump up
> gatekeepers
pimp my Chomsky, yeah!
> and bash truth tellers
Har Har.. (evil laugh!) MUST BASH... TRUTH .. TELLERS
> and cant even state where they are from.
Won't! not can't WILL NOT.
I told you, it is not wise to tell Americans where
the foreign homeland is. We may be lucky and the
racist-yankee-mad-bombers cannot find it on a map!!
> she comes here and bashes Alex Jones,
booohooo poor Alex.
> who meets the unanswered questions of 9/11 head on,
And what a head!! I think he will be a beautiful person once he looses his voice and learned to think things through.
> and regularly praises the gatekeeper Chomsky
You are not alone in hating chomksy.
FrontPageMagazine.com and many jewish fundamentalists
hat his guts too.
> and makes excuses for him being a coward on the topic.
I would even make excuses for you. You are cute when
you are angry. Young, dumb and cute.
> she regularly dowplays the importance of 9/11,
How about you ignoring the importance of the murder
of thousands of innocents in Panama (restore hope).
I have never heard you say anything about the many
thousands of victims of CIA terror in Angola.
Maybe you think 9/11 was more important than the
the hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq, because I have
never heard you, Chris, say anything about the bloodbath
of innocents in that country.
> just like CHomsky. i question her motives.
> i think you all should.
You should question ANYONE's motives.. all the time.
Humans are equipped with a capability to deceive others,
and they use it ALL THE TIME.... often un-knowingly.
Like you, Chris.
You're probably on to me for a reason. You are trying
to hide something else. Tell us, what is it?
Where are you from? oops, I can tell already. YANKISTAN
What do you hope to gain here? oops, I can tell, too.
You want to "find truth" and present yourself as a
"the one who can find truth"... yep, a man has to impress the gurrlz some way or another.
What are you trying to hide from us?
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you just proved my point.
you just proved my point. how old are you? where EXACTLY are you from? why cant you answer this question? it speaks volumes. no amount of inane posts can hide that. you are a Chomsky groupie, hes a smart guy, but not worth defending like you do. do you think 9/11 is as unimportant as he does? if so, why are you here? to create divisions, by say, bashing a guy like Alex JOnes and putting a 9/11 denier like Chomsky on a pedestal? see the problem? no? your on the wrong side bitch.
where are you from Chomsky groupie?
you regularly downplay the importance of 9/11 and talk about how ignorant,stupid etc. americans are. you paint us all with such a broad brush and never run out of excuses for your boy Chosmky. SO WHERE ARE YOU FROM? is this a tough question?
Just in case you missed it...
http://falseflagnews.com/leftgatekeepers/noam_chomsky_controlled_asset_of_the_new_world_order
[Noam Chomsky: Controlled Asset Of The New World Order]
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http://tinyurl.com/q9wdl A must-see for the uninitiated: this video will awaken them from their long slumber
http://tinyurl.com/s8rrp A must-read for believers of the official story: David Ray Griffin administers the red pill