Grab Bag

David Ray Griffin Makes Washington Post

The Disbelievers - "To me, the report read as a cartoon." White-haired and courtly, Griffin sits on a couch in a hotel lobby in Manhattan, unspooling words in that reasonable Presbyterian minister's voice. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives." - (Also a new interview in the Chicago Concious Guide

This story is mirrored at MSNBC and has a poll that you should vote on:

Scholastic Pulls Back on Propaganda Initiative

Scholastic squashes 'The Path to 9/11' guide - Children's publishing company Scholastic said that it is removing materials from its Web site originally created for use in conjunction with ABC's "The Path to 9/11" amid growing controversy over the docudrama. - (Good thing I saved them. - PDF-1, PDF-2, PDF-3, PDF-4, PDF-5)

PA 911 Visibility gets some press

The Truth is Out There Somewhere - In June, Polinow founded PA 9/11 Visibility, a Philadelphia-based grassroots organization devoted to increasing awareness of the "true" events of Sept. 11. (In fact, members of the truth movement had planned to hold a conference at Temple University this weekend, but it has since been canceled. Some say it was dropped because of political reasons, but organizers denied any such interference in an e-mail, saying money was the stumbling block.) In the past three months, the group has attracted around 40 members from the Delaware Valley and beyond, all of whom believe that the mainstream media have failed to uncover the whole story behind 9/11's horrific events. - (PA 9/11 Visibility DOES NOT endorse the statements of Frank Vetrone.)

Press for Truth gets Press

Disturbing 9/11 film is work of Hoosier - Familiar, disturbing images from five years ago flash by in "9/11: Press for Truth," opening locally Friday at Hollywood Bar & Filmworks, 247 S. Meridian St.

But the 86-minute documentary, directed by Ray Nowosielski of Indianapolis, also asks what warnings top government officials received before the terrorist attacks, and why so many questions remain unanswered.

911 Mysteries Opens this weekend

The new movie "9/11 Mysteries" is opening in seven cities across
the U.S. this weekend. The producer will be in Austin, Texas for the
opening. Please contact your local 9/11 Truth groups for more

Los Angeles, California
Orlando, Florida
Tampa Bay, Florida
Boston, Massachussetts
New York, New York
Austin, Texas
Seattle, Washington

More information about this movie will be posted on
in a few days.

Prof. William Woodward on Eric Shine's RBN show this Saturday

This weekend - Saturday, Spetember 9th at 6pm pacific Professor Woodward
will be appearing on Eric Shine's Radio/ Internet/ Short Wave Program
known as "IN THE ZONE" that can be found at on
the net....

Please tune in and turn on...

Call in number for the show is 800-313-9443

Coast to Coast AM 9/11 special

Upcoming Coast to Coast am 9/11 special on September 11th 2006.

9-11 Special David Hawkins Lisa Guliani & Victor Thorn David Ray

9-11 Special: Each hour, our guests will share their research into the
various ways the events of 9-11 play into a larger matrix that
doesn't always correspond with official reports. David Hawkins
(11p-12a PT); Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani (12a-1a PT); David Ray
Griffin (1a-2a PT)


Treading Water

An article on Editor & Publisher today says that 4 in 10 Americans still think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

Meanwhile, the DLC Dems have booted Mike Malloy from Air America and are running on Republican-lite platforms this fall, the GOP and the neocons are gunning for Iran, and everyone else is back to worrying about the important issues like Britney's baby, what flip-phone to buy, and sports trivia.

I've been involved in political causes most of my adult life, and I'm more cynical than ever. How about you?

Please go vote to :

Larry Silverstein.....WTC7 .....THE smoking gun!

Here is a little something one of my 9/11 truth friends just sent me........

Date Published: 2006-09-06
You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million

Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.

Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.

The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.

Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.

Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?

The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.

How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:

"I remember getting a call from department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.

One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:

US Secret Service
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank

The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.

What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.

Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"Every Dog Has His Day"

be sure to

What did you think...

...of the Wash Post article? I liked the part about Nico:

Nico Haupt, a gaunt fellow in black sneakers, black socks, black jeans and black T-shirt, stands up in St. Mark's Church in the Bowery. He holds aloft two blue Oreos boxes taped to resemble the twin towers. A pen juts out, kind of like a Boeing airplane.

For an hour he's shown videos of planes hitting the towers. If you note the glinting sunlight and angle of wings and you're honest about vectors and maybe the hashish is kicking in, you'll realize there were no planes .

Truth movement veterans distance themselves from Haupt, who has a bit of a temper. But Reynolds, the former Labor Department economist, also is a "no-planer."

"There were no planes, there were no hijackers," Reynolds insists. "I know, I know, I'm out of the mainstream, but that's the way it is."

Nico and NY 911 Truth

It is a real shame that the New York movement remains in the hands of Les Jamieson and his gang. We all know what Nico stands for. Is there anyone in this movement that he has NOT attacked? Yet, he continues to enjoy being given the stage by this NY group which was recently caught distributing cointelpro antisemitic literature.

So, what did they organize for the anniversary? A presentation at Cooper Union which will include "evidence" of mini-nukes in the towers.


You have to give the government credit. They took control of the New York movement, and they are doing a great job of presenting the most ridiculous research available.

On the other hand, Kyle Hence's new film 911: Press For The Truth premiered in NYC last night, with many of the victim's families in attendance. Did Les' NYC group help to promote this?

Check out Not a whisper of support from the tin-foil hat crowd.

Why? How often does a film like this come along that gains the support of the victim's families, which takes a MIHOP position?

Why is it that under Les Jamieson's leadership the only people who are promoted and presented to the public are Nico and mini nukes?

I hope you are all proud of the Washington Post article, and the platform that Les Jamieson has given to Nico.

Read this...

Right from the horses mouth re: disinfo psyops

When it describes plans for

When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone. It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system

so what do you think, about a year, 2 years tops until the internet as we know it is dead?

Media coverage

>It is a real shame that the New York movement remains in the hands of Les Jamieson and his gang.

Oh yes. For shame. On all of us.


>I hope you are all proud of the Washington Post article, and the platform that Les Jamieson has given to Nico.

You are getting facts wrong.

Les Jamieson did not give the platform to Nico. It was Frank. Les tried to block them.

Why should I be proud of the Washington Post article?

They lied about Morales, saying he was "LIHOP." And it was written by a Lifestyle writer, rather than a political one. Same as the coverage from the New York magazine.

The Media can't back down now. What would that say of their past work performance? They've been in on it the whole time. Either that, or the psyche of the whole culture is so askew the Media makers themselves partake of the KoolAid.

Any mainstream Media will not cover the issue - but will only write about it from a cultural, anthropological perspective - the lifestyle slant, and the focus will always be upon the personalities and the cultural phenomenon, not on a full discussion, with a serious tone, of the factual issues/discrepencies around the official version. They can't. This is a structural feature embedded in the Media by their makers. And by the mental conditioning of the society.

This is not the fault of Les Jamieson or anyone else in our group. To say so is to blame the victim.

The Media do not take us seriously, and even if you and Nick took charge..... that would not magically change anything. Even though you might think otherwise. I don't believe anyone has that much power in this situation or makes that much difference. I don't think Nico is powerful enough to "damage the movement."

The Washington Post writer, Michael Powell, treated the Demolition evidence with just slightly more respect than he did the TV Fakery, shown only in that he made a meagre, lackluster effort to "debunk" it. None of the 9/11 truth movement's evidence is taken too seriously, but all minutiae, if mentioned at all, are treated as quaint artifacts, fetishes, of a subculture. The tone implies that our issue has very little to do with actual politics.

But that's not the fault of Les Jamieson nor Nico Haupt.

Oh I forgot, you guys didn't recognize Controlled Demolition either. Were you sorry that was mentioned in the Post article? Do you still think it shouldn't be spoken about?

"The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free." -Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958

Who are you talking to?

You address this to "you and Nick"??

I think you should be careful who you accuse of making anonymous comments.

Now - the NY movement is presenting on Mini-nukes for the 9/11 anniversary? That's sad.

A Film premier associated with 9/11 Citizens Watch in NYC was not promoted by the NYC movement? That's fucked up.

These are legitimate points. This is not a competition, and there is a high-school-esq click attitute here.

NYT Reviews "The Path to 9/11"

via Drudge:

"'The Path to 9/11' is not a documentary, or even a docu-drama; it is a fictionalized account of what took place. It relies on the report of the Sept. 11 commission, the King James version of all Sept. 11 accounts, as well as other material and memoirs. Some scenes come straight from the writers' imaginations," writes Alessandra .

"Dramatic license was certainly taken, but blame is spread pretty evenly across the board. It's not the inaccuracies of 'The Path to 9/11' that make ABC's miniseries so upsetting. It's the situation on the ground in Afghanistan now."

Alessandra concludes: "Hindsight is heartbreaking and disturbing to watch, even in a made-for-television movie. But it's even harder to take when those steps continue to contaminate the present."

You should all read this BBC article and linked .PDF document. This is not mearly a plan to go after terrorists, or other "real" enemies, it's a plan to attack anyone or thing that opposes the actions of this Administration - a plan to silence dissenting voices if you will.

"There's a war on for your mind!" - Alex Jones

The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.

David Ray

MSNBC online just posted a headline story about 911 Conspiracy Theories leading with an interview of DRG and with a suprising poll.

Everyone take the poll.

current results

* 9741 responses

Yes. The government has left many questions unanswered about that day.

No. These theories are absurd and disrespectful -- especially to those who lost their lives on 9/11.

I'm not sure.

Spread this to all of the 9/11 truth forums!

Radio: Jim Meigs, editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics -09/07/06

'Popular Mechanics' Tackles Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theories:

Talk of the Nation, September 7, 2006 · Jim Meigs, editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics, talks about a recent article that discredits Sept. 11 conspiracy theories.


Bob Goldberg, professor of history at the University of Utah; author of Enemies Within: The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America

Jim Meigs, editor in chief of Popular Mechanics


Haven't been able to listen yet, but apparently they talk about building 7..

NPR is having a 9/11 show now 11:00 am EDT! Sounds like hit show

You have to click their link a few times to listen in to the show.


Every month a new issue of Scholatic Magazine somehow finds it's way via my 5 year old daughter's backpack into our trashcan.

I've always been suspicious of any attempt at public school privatization, no matter how seemingly innocuous the vehicle. The magazine itself is just another corporate attempt to breakthrough formerly inaccessable markets on the backs of children (see cartoons). What's truly disturbing about this story is the almost reckless propagandizing they pursued before getting caught. Yeah, maybe I'm over reacting, but guess what? The back cover of September's issue of Scolastic magazine is a full page ad for AIG.

What is AIG?

What is AIG?

There's no escaping these assholes


Here's Yahoo on AIG-

The institutional ownership is intriguing. All these mega financial corporations have an incestuous relationship with the Federal Reserve (they own it).

MSNBC has discussion forums

MSNBC has discussion forums too. Participating is recommended :)

That Washington Post article

That Washington Post article cared so much about the facts of 9/11 it referred to "Robert" Bowman as "David" Bowman.