David Hawkins and David Ray Griffin on Coast to Coast AM this 9/11
Just got the following heads up:
I spoke with David Hawkins at length this afternoon, and he will be on Coast to Coast radio with George Noory at my recommendation this coming Monday Sept. 11th at 12 midnight MST. Later that evening David Ray Griffin will also be a guest on George's 9/11 special.
Coast to Coast has an audience of who knows, 10-20 million optimistically around the globe including the internet audience.. A huge audience in any case.
David continues to explore avenues of 9/11 no one else dares to look at- He has some outstanding logic and evidence at work.
Anyone seriously interested in moving beyond what the conventional 9/11 alternatives are would benefit greatly from listening to what Hawkins continues to uncover in regards to specifics of who-how.
You can catch up on David Hawkins work on his site here.
Thanks to Neil for the heads up!
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as a sleep aid, i listen to
as a sleep aid, i listen to coast to coast nearly every night and have noticed that george noory has become increasingly ambivalent about alternative 9/11 theories. this should be interesting. unfortunately i'll probably miss most of it, as i'll be out at a truth party in chicago at the elbo room.
George Noory
George has had enough feedback from engineers and scientists to realize that "alternatice 9/11 theories" don't meet any standard of evidence or proof and are not believable. As host of the show he is meeting the desires of his audience.
The test for him came when he had Michael Shermer on debating simulataneously with three "alternative 9/11 theorists" . Shermer calmly and easily made the other three laughing stocks.
It will be fun to listen to Griffin screw up again. This guy is really confused and will certainly do no good for "alternative 9/11 theories."
Shermer the pseudo-skeptic
What show was Shermer debating some 911 truthers?
I have no respect for this professional debunker. Often times Shermer lies or distorts or has set up a situation in debate which he can win. He's not that bright and is part of propaganda groups that call themselves "Skeptics." A better term for them is pseudo-skeptics. Never the less, some of the things Shermer and his kind attack, need attacking and they can do a good job. Other times it's just invalid reasoning associated with debunking. So, I would like a link to the show to hear which of these it is.
Hey Wolfy
May I suggest you replace George Noory with WOR's Lionel. I'll admit, Georgy Boy is better if you are really looking to catch some ZZZZZ's. He's a real snoozer.
Lionel, on the other hand is the most talented, lucid, rational and reassuring talk radio host I have heard in a long, long time.
Check him out at Lionel Online. You can also subscribe to his Podcast by pasting this link http://wor710.com/pages/podcast/406.rss into your iTunes "Subscribe to Podcast" panel located under "Advanced" in iTunes.
He's also a major Truther. Be sure to check out his 9/11 show! You'll never listen to Noory again. I promise.
THE FLOODGATES ARE OPENED!!
THE FLOODGATES ARE OPENED!!
THE FLOODGATES ARE OPENED!!
THE FLOODGATES ARE OPENED!!
check this out:
http://news.google.com/news?q=conspiracy+9%2F11
It HAS NEVER BEEN TO PREVALENT in the corporate news media!
Your keys are where you dropped them, not where its convenient..
It may be that George has just some reservations about assertions being made--
I spent a couple hours talking with David Hawkins privately today-- this guy is SHERLOCK HOLMES, and everyone else is looking under the lamp post because its much brighter there.
But, the keys are actually where you dropped them.
Tune in, you will be blown away and enlightened.
Neil
by the way, although ww.stoplying.ca is a great site, I'm at http://www.BrainRadar.com or www.911think.com
:-) Always glad to do my part.
Hawkins is on drugs.
Hawkins is on drugs.
I second that notion
From dealing with him in other forums, it becomes clear that most of his work is assertions and doesn't appear to have verifiable sources, information, etc.
But, I just tend to ignore him anyway. Getting into an argument with him is impossible as he'll flood you with 18+ pages of irrelevant response.
On Drugs?
1) I dismiss any anonymous post outright.
Anyone who doesn't use a name on a post isn't worthy of any consideration on any level.
2) Hawkins is so right on top of the facts, he is now the target of web attacks. So what else is new.
3) All his sources are easily checked, he's speaking such obvious and verifiable facts such comments as "I second that notion" are laughable.
Example: Hawkins tells us that Boeing installed gyro chips on planes, allowing remote control flight from Iridium network satallite.
Look it up. Think.
It's these kinds of facts, that no one else is talking about that will allow any bean brain to trace the money, trace the motive, trace the method.
4) There are studies of how disinformation and counter-fact is spread through forums these days, and it is expected.
I fully expect all government agencies to now have specific departments of propaganda the main purpose to infiltrate under-cover
web forums, just like this. Someone says something that hits the nail on the head-- instant attack... "he's on drugs".
As to how far ahead Hawkins' is, how on the trail he is, listen and learn.
In addition
I just posted this on the Scholars forum- copied here for anyone's convenience:
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1) Anyone should be allowed to express ideas, theories opinions-- even when it goes beyond the "conventional-alternative" ideas of 911.
What are we seeing now? If you don't agree with the status-quo of THIS group, you are suddenly "a joke"?
Pathetic. This is 9/11 Truth McCarthyism.
2) Hawkins is no fan of Bush/Cheney and select criminal elements within the US Government. So, what many are doing, in regards to Hawkins is to make the historic and fatal mistake of ignoring the obvious, and made a false assumption of guilt.
Hey, we all know Bush and Co. are guilty of many things, deserve impeachment at the least--
But this is a separate issue of HOW-WHO demolished WTC, how the planes were directed at the targets, etc etc etc.
3) Example: Hawkins tells us that Boeing installed gyro chips on planes, allowing remote control flight from Iridium network satallite.
Look it up. Look at the Boeing $615 Million fine paid on criminal activity, including the installation of gyro chipss.
Come on "scholars", start to THINK.
It's these kinds of facts, that no one else is talking about that will allow any bean brain to trace the money, trace the motive, trace the method.
4) There are studies of how disinformation and counter-fact is spread through forums these days, and it is expected.
I fully expect all government agencies to now have specific departments of propaganda the main purpose to infiltrate under-cover web forums, just like this. Someone says something that hits the nail on the head-- instant attack... "he's on drugs", "he's a joke".
No surprise that I see this kind of poop on this forum now. It's everywhere.
As to how far ahead Hawkins' is, how on the trail he is, listen and learn.
Here's a starting point and some questions people should be considering. I don't claim to have the DEFINITIVE answers- but I do recognize a bit of obvious fact and simple logic when I see it.
1. PLANES:
Q: What happened to the debris, passengers, seats- other than a few bits here and there?
1) No planes? Unlikely.
2) High energy explosive dissociation- quite possible...
Q: How were planes flown with such precision into the Pentagon? How could unqualified non-pilots fly these planes?
A: They didn't, they were flown with gyro chips.
Q: Who installed the chips?
A: Boeing, etc etc etc LOOK IT UP.
Q: How are Boeing people connected to the MOTIVATION for 9/11? Is Boeing a convicted criminal institution?
A: Its all connected... do your homework.
2. WTC COLLAPSES:
1) Buildings at WTC went POOF. Concrete went poof. Steel went poof, and what didn't was shot away from the building horizontally like canon balls.
2) Buildings do not conform to collapse- we all know that--
a) horizontal projection
b) evaporation of steel
c) pools of metal for weeks after
d) everything turned to dust
e) pyroclastic flow
3) Further witnesses to secondary explosions all over the place, seismic record evidence, rate of collapse-- leads to conclusion of demolition.
4) HOWEVER--- to succeed on this scale, first try requires INCREDIBLE, the BEST ENGINEERING in the world....
WHO WHO WHO WHO WHO has the means to do this?
Someone or group with the most sophisticated modeling technology anywhere with the know-how for all the little details-
ANSWER: Some place like MIT labs, a private corporation.
BUT WAIT!! Aren't these a bunch a good guys dedicated scientists working to make the world a better place to live for all human kind?
Like any group, you have mostly good people, then you have the exceptions. Look at our government-- are all the employees of the US government bad? Good? How many rotten eggs does it take?
Subsequent Questions:
Who controls MIT?
Who steers MIT projects?
What are current and past MIT PROJECTS and how does this relate to WTC collapse events?
How does MIT (and/or directors) PROFIT, what is the MOTIVATION for destruction of WTC tennants and property?
3. LINKS BETWEEN PLANES AND WTC and THOSE WHO WOULD PROFIT
1) What is the LINK between Boeing and MIT?
2) What people are common to both?
3) What is the MOTIVATION for destruction of WTC tennants and property?
4. It is OBVIOUS that top people in Bush Administration Covered Up, Lied, and USED 9/11 for their own means.
9/11 FIT LIKE A GLOVE for the purposes of furthering the policies of PNAC, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bushes, etc etc etc
No one argues this, not Hawkins, not 70% of people in the US.
How does one reconcile the apparent USE of 9/11 high-engineered disaster with the political/economic agenda of Haliburton/Bush/Cheney?
Did the real culprits FEED the idea of Islamic terrorism scapegoat- an overplayed reality- to PNAC/Cheney/Bush knowing that this would provide COVER? Or was it just a wonderful convenient coincidence?
OR DID THE CULPRITS THEMSELVES USE THE not-so-secret KNOWLEDGE THAT PNAC WANTED ANOTHER PEARL HARBOUR TO FURTHER THEIR political/economic/power AGENDA? And that
1) "AL-Quada" would be the first to get the blame (encouraged or expected to)
2) If AQ was discovered NOT to do 9/11, then it would be assumed (as was precisely the case) that PNAC, Cheney/Bush would be seen as the perpetrators since they overtly USED 9/11 for their own purposes.
Many ASSUME that because Bush/Cheney are such liars, such criminals, that the USED 9/11 to further their agenda that they then MADE ALL THE ELEMENTS of 9/11 occur.
Not so fast my flying friend.
This is a fatal error of logic.
Start thinking.
Too many people are looking for their lost keys under the light of the lamp post because it's so bright there.
But it ain't necessarily where the keys were dropped.