CNN Interviews Mike J. Wilson to Discuss Pentagon Conspiracy Theories

You can find more on Wilson's recreations here:

Off Topic

I just thought I would share with everyone what I experienced at church last Sunday the 10th. The pastor showed a strange video montague combining a number of video clips which went something like this:

1st clip "Saving Private Ryan" Normandy beach scene;

2nd clip "CNN" clip with title "Showdown in Iraq";

3rd clip WTC Towers collapsing;

4th clip Normandy scene again;

5th clip back to CNN "Showdown in Iraq";

6th clip Tower collapse; etc....

This was quite odd to say the least. My cousin (who is also a truther) and I just sat there and shook our heads as this was playing. I so felt like yelling out, "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11!", but I chickened out. Sorry guys. I thought some might be interested in what is being fed to us church goers.

man, that's whack. the

man, that's whack.

the church up the street from me is apparently the opposite end of the spectrum, their sign says 'this sunday - religious diversity'..

time to switch to a methodist church?

I'm a Methadist

My church is learning the truth 1 item at a time as I try to be easy on my brothers and sisters. As soon as I see a hint of awakening BLAMO! my auto pilot sinks in and they don't have a prayer.

It is "whack"

This is the pastor who I gave "9/11 Revisited", who has not responded to my letter where I exposed myself as a truther about 4-5 months ago. Maybe it is time to switch churches, but I have an increadible urge to break the truth in this church since it is the one my extended family attends.

hrm.. well, maybe for

hrm.. well, maybe for christmas you should get him all of griffin's books and a copy of terrorstorm?

good luck with that man.

try this

If this church is so pro government try handing out the fliers used by the fbi to identify possible terrorists where it clearly states Christians are a hate group.
this should get some people thinking.

Pro Gov. Church

I wouldn't clasify this church as "pro-gov." The pastor has been known in the past to point out the flaws with our government when it comes to certain issues. This is usually against the left wing though, as you can imagine. I guess he just might be pro-Bush, but I can't comfirm this.

good point

If they are pro Bush they probably pretend to "support the troops" here's an article you can print out and show around, and they can't be accused as liberal left wingers since it was written by army times:

and this cannot be blamed (entirely) on the left and it should infuriate everone with a sense of decency and honor:

Four veterans of the current war in Iraq and one supporter (a total of five young men) were detained at the Pentagon today after they attended an open house and left behind flyers providing information about the lethal effects of depleted uranium.

also you can find lots of information about the way the troops have been betrayed with the use of Uranium 238, ther is a good section at
or type doug rokke into any search engine, he's the one you need to know about, also there is a dvd, free to all active and past military, Beyond Treason that chronicles the atrocities of our troops. Here's some pictures of what it's doing to the children:

and tell tham to take cilantro to the troops (not a joke)

You don't have to be aggressive, just bring peoples attetion to it. It may be a good starting point, approach those who know current military people and tell them you want them safe and respected. that may be a good start.

helpful scripture

Matthew 5:
20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:
15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
22) Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23) Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 23:
2) The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3) So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4) They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5) Everything they do is done for men to see
23) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness.
25) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and selfindulgence.
27) Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28) In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Mark 7:
6) These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." - Jesus

Luke 12:
1) Be in your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Jesus

Thanks a lot!!!

I really appreciate this advise. Although, as I read these verses, I can see him applying these verses to me, meaning the reverse, but it is worth a shot.

You're welcome

Thanks for the update.

That Meigs guy cracks me up. I needed a good laugh today. That article reminded me of the horrible performance he gave on some Air America Show in Arizona where he got really flustered and couldn't answer simple questions like, "Where was the original DNA samples of the hi-jackers obtained from to compare with the samples they found at the crash sites?" Great stuff!

Not as fuuny as Dylan Avery

The poor kid did every thing he could to hold a straight face as he repeated all the stuff he knows has been debunked.

Never was there as good a band of kids as disinfo agents as Dylan and his band of merry thieves.

Oh man.

That's too bad, T-Bone.

My parents are both United Church of Christ clergy, and I have them fully into LIHOP, and right on the edge of MIHOP. That doesn't mean either one is going to speak about it from the pulpit anytime soon, but it's a far remove from war-mongering video montages.

IIs there a reason you don't want to register here so you can blog about it? There's more I'd like to say but it's just way too off-topic for this thread.

No reason

I just havent got around to doing it yet. I'll try tonight. I would definitely like some more advise. I'm still getting used to this new set-up and I din't know you could start your own blog on here. very cool!

Do it.

You register, and then you can do a blog whenever you want. You have a lot to say about this, T-Bone -- I know from reading your posts over the last few months.

DRG makes the suggestion in his new book that it might be the churches that spearhead a new investigation. I don't know how likely that is, but individual ministers who get on board have a ready-made soapbox (aka pulpit) from which they might spread some 9/11 info.

T-Bone, sounds like your Pastor knows what not to say...

IRS Threatened To Revoke Church's Tax-Exempt Status After Minister Delivered 2004 Anti-War Sermon...

article here

Off topic

t-bone there's a lot of that going around. They choose the darkness over the light because they fear that their evil deeds will be exposed. You are VERY unlikely to find out what the spirit is saying in the church today because it has no desire to walk in the truth. I got some bombshells to lay on you if you're interested. If this doesn't link to my blog gimme a shout.

Too bad NIST

can't come up with a suitable for the WTC collapses.

This goes to show though, the Pentagon no-plane theory is not a good place to focus attention. It seems to be a favorite pet topic for the media, and it could be disastrous if it is perceived as the center point of the Movement.

Too Bad

Too bad that you can't refute NIST. No one has.

Also too bad that you are associated wth the no plane movement. If you would admit the truth you would not get such bad press.

NIST does a good job at showing their incompetance

They can't even come up with an appropriate collapse mechanism for th collapse of any of the three towers, even after 20+ million dollars. "Global collapse" is just another way of saying "black box." Basically, in any process, you insert the black box to account for unknown specifics occuring between point A and point B. They have no clue.

But this is still not correct...

Didn't we just receive some data a few weeks ago where the data showed the plane being 400 ft above the ground at the road area???

That would mean that this simulation is still not accurate!

I saw that

Very interesting flight data. I honestly don't know what to make of it, but it definately contradicts the official story. I just hope the media doesn't continue to plug the Pentagon no plane business as a centerpiece argument. I think the witholding of the Pentagon evidence in and of itself implies there is someting to cover up, but I think there is so much evidence out there which is irrefutable.

Well, by the looks of this debunking coverage,

we can speculate on what the focus of tonight's Paula show will be pushing.

Forget the Pentagon, it's a waste of time.

The debunking/disinfo

The debunking/disinfo movement is in full gear ... It's not looking good ... and there are plenty of people dumb enough or selfish enough (bribed) to support it

however, as a comforting

however, as a comforting though from media reactions (polls, talkback, etc) it seems bush is dead with our without the truth movement

No movement. Facts win.

Skeptics of your silly 9/11 conspiracy movement don't need a movement.

The facts always win by themselves.

hey "lars", do your parents

hey "lars", do your parents hate you? why else would they name you that? also, why are you here? you shills can never really explain what motivates you to come here. is your life that empty? you need a friend buddy? someone to talk to? fucking assclown.

No, they love me

My parents love me. They taught me the value of thinking and always telling the truth. People here say they are "9/11 Truthers" so I think you wouldn't be offended by any truth.

"Lars" is a common name in Sweden. I was named Lars after my great-grandfather. I'm sorry my name and the name of my ancestor offends you. I've seen worse discrimination in my lifetime.

oh it doesnt offend me, it

oh it doesnt offend me, it just makes me laugh.


what facts?

now do you care to explain

now do you care to explain what brought you to this site? what made you click the link or however it is you got here and post the things you have posted? whats your motivation? most of your kind cant answer such basic questions honestly. im interested, why are you here?

Conspiracy Theorist...

Define "conspiracy theorist".

Tell us your facts

You look really intelligent spouting of about facts without giving any.

I think that video does

I think that video does debunk the idea of a missle. There may not have been a 757 but the missle theory was always kind of dumb to me. Maybe if 9/11 happened at night where you couldn't see but for the gov. to fire a missile in broad daylight is going too far. No one would do that. It also makes no sense for them to do that. It may have been a drone but not a missle. A missile wouldn't take out the lamp post either. Folks need to let the "missile" thing go and focus their time on more solid pieces.

Yeah, and we need to stop

Yeah, and we need to stop talking about videos, tail sections, holes and lightpoles, but instead:
What were Cheney's orders?


Interesting to do a "whois" search to find Mike's website began back in 2001 - a graphics kind of guy with no essential content changes to his site until just now . . . why the sudden interest? Perhaps a new opportunity emerged from the shadows?

Go to the Internet archives:*/
and you can see his site content over the past five (5) years. Not much difference yearly or monthly.

Now, all of a sudden, everything changes. Menus have "coming soon", etc.

How much did he get?

Again, why the sudden interest? It's not like he taught himself this new skill and can just now go live with his product. Makes you really wonder about the synchronicity of such events.

It's Dennis the Menace, Mr. Wilson...

Nope. I still maintain that there's an obvious fudge-point in the 3D recreation. The plane is TOO LARGE to fit behind that parking lot structure, which is exactly why you do NOT see the 3D viewpoint go from the parking lot camera view to the plane. The Plane is removed from the view, and I guarantee that during that, it's size is changed to bring it back to reality before the rest of the recreation continues.

Show me a seamless track from the beginning of the video into the camera's view without the plane leaving the viewpoint, and you will see that plane being shrunk in size to fit behind the pylon. It doesn't work.

Also, those light poles do not fly backwards from the wings. The only possible trajectory is directly perpendicular to the leading edge of the wing, OR... if the wing edge conformed (holed) to the pole, then it would have been propelled directly in the direction of the plane's trajectory. But that Pole #2 trajectory is impossible.

And thirdly - picture this aircraft coming across the screen at the reported 560 mph. Do you think the smoke from any damage would have been swirling in a curly-q? No, which is why, in the second Pentagon frame, it's not swirling, it's a flat jet-trail.

3 glaring errors in this analysis, all most likely to conform to the bullshit 5 frames that were originally released.

9/11 MYSTERIES movie now available for download...

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but...

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"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."

Sammy the Korean war vet looks a lot like who???

Sammy the Korean war vet with me and my Ground Zero Gang


"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."

goddamn, he really does look

goddamn, he really does look like W.

Chimpy McFlightsuit?

I stole that from someone -- but it's my new favorite Shrub moniker.

Chimpy McFlightsuit?

Chimpy McFlightsuit? Great name for Bush. I love it. As far as this clown trying to debunk the pentagon strike. Personally I don't care if a UFO with little green men hit it. Chimpy McFlightsuit and his gang of thugs are guilty of high treason and mass murder for the crimes of 9/11 and should hang! The demolition of WTC7 is all I need to know about.................."Every Dog Has His Day"

hey, be sure to post this in

hey, be sure to post this in a blog entry so it doesnt get lost in the comments!

will do... I have many pictures from yesterday's events...

I even caught Alex Jones in the Burger King and grabbed a pic w/ him before he did the bullhorn boogey.

"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."

The Menace

Dennis, you mean as per this diagram? announces ad announces ad campaign against Bush's use of 9/11 in mid-term elections

Published: Tuesday September 12, 2006

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The political action organization has announced the placement of a new television advertisment which will condemn President Bush for "exploiting" the 9/11 attacks to bolster the election chances for Republicans in the mid-term elections.

(also, the Chavez-9/11 story is up on RawStory now)

Animation Just Doesn't Jibe....

Many of you will recall the recent posting of the animation based on the flight path of flight 77 (I can't find it or I'd post a link). As I understood it, it showed that the plane flew too high to hit the poles (in direct opposition of the above posted animation) . Can anyone find that post so I can recheck it? Thank you.


I don't know why I can't post the link but you can find it at Put a search for pentagon animation and it is the 4th one down.


I guess it was posting all along.

just deleted the dupes ;)

just deleted the dupes ;)

actually this is probably

actually this is probably because you aren't logged in.. the front page stays cached for 3 minutes at a time for anonymous users to help with server usage..

Thanks for the link T-Bone.

Thanks for the link T-Bone. . At the end of the video of the flight path of Flight 77, ( ) it says something like "The plane is 480 feet above ground... too high to hit the light poles". Both videos can't be right. Which is most likely to be correct?

290 trillion ... worth doing 911 for...

Iraqi Oil worth 29 trillion (times 10!)

According to the US dept of energy Iraq contains 112 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, the second largest in the world (behind Saudi Arabia) along with roughly 220 billion barrels of probable and possible resources. Iraq's true potential may be far greater than this, however, as the country is relatively unexplored due to years of war and sanctions. Deep oil-bearing formations located mainly in the vast Western Desert region, for instance, could yield large additional oil resources (possibly another 100 billion barrels), but have not been explored.

That makes 432 billion barrels times todays oil price per barrel, 67 dollars - something like 29 trillion dollars

Trillions in oil revenues is not the only money to be made from the invasion of iraq - the cost of the Iraq war to the taxpayerswas is budgeted at over 318 billion dollars . All of the weapons, uniforms, bases, vehicles, fuels, food and its preparation - all are purchased from private corporations. According to the national priorities project, an non proit that analyzes where federal dollars are spent - more than 28 billion of the total will be paid by the people of New York State - that 28 billion is enough to convert 93,743,138 homes to renewable electricity - according to the 2000 census, there were 105,480,101 occupied housinf units in the united states - just the money paid for the Iraq war by the people of New York state in enough to convert around 90 percent of Amwerican homes to renewable energy.

Why times 10?

If a bank uses the oil-reserves as a collateral, it can immediately proceedd to create 290trillion in money-supply.... enough to keep the USA going for a few years.

Guess who owns the import-export-bank in Iraq? USA.

i cant believe nobody is

i cant believe nobody is talking about the Oliver Stone news. if his comments are for real, he could possibly be working on a JFK esque version of 9/11.

Oliver Stone hints at film tackling 9-11 'conspiracy'

AFP | September 12 2006

MOSCOW -- US filmmaker Oliver Stone, who surprised many with the patriotic flavor of his new film "World Trade Center," hinted here Monday that he is considering a more controversial follow-up investigating the "conspiracy" around 9-11.

"There is a great story in a movie, a conspiracy by a group of people in the American administration who have an agenda and who used 9-11 to further that agenda," he told journalists while in Moscow as part of a world tour to promote his latest movie.

Stone's hint is cryptic....

It doesn't seem to me that he's talking about the conspiracy to commit 9/11, but the conspiracy to take advantage from the wake of 9/11. Just my two cents.

true, it may just be wishful

true, it may just be wishful thinking on my part but i cant believe that the man who made JFK doesnt see through the bullshit of 9/11.

We need to dispute what the spinners say

For example;while I was watching democracy now with Meigs and the loose change guys...Meigs would say that they talked with the experts(Many experts) about the evidence.but why are they the only ones who get to see the photographs?
What should be said ,or at least interjected through the various subjects, is to ask about what does the 9/11 commision report say? Why are so many things left out? The 4 widows who had to push against much resistance to get the investigation started asked why Henry Kissinger was the first appointed commisioner? They asked him in regards to conflict of interest if one of his clients was Bin Laden, of course Kissingers jaw about hit the floor on that question. Why would Bush appoint Kissinger? especially in lieu of conflict of interest? Why would they do things that hinder, confuse, resist, misinform, ridicule anything associated with trying to find out the truth of 9/11?
Because they have something to hide. These actions alone suggest there is something to hide,otherwise there would be a universal collective with little or no resistance.

Pentagon... Pentagon... Pentagon...

That is the first thing the MSM want to focus on...ALWAYS!

Here's a very simple rebuttal. There are reportedly around 87 videos of what struck the Pentagon on 9/11 compiled from all Pentagon security cameras, VA DOT cameras, the Sheraton Hotel camera and the Citgo gas station camera.

As Dr. Bob Bowman says "If the government has nothing to hide, then why are they hiding EVERYTHING?"

Release some of the videos that I just mentioned and you can save everyone a lot of wasted time. Otherwise... I don't believe a word the government says regarding the Pentagon...PERIOD! END OF STORY!

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

Cindy, as you probably know,

Has a FOIA request pending for the release of these 84 videos. The site claims: "please note that we still have a second FOIA request active for the other 84 flight 77 recordings. we WILL get those as well."

But you'll notice that this site hasn't been updated since 6/12/06. Would be interesting to know the latest details on this request. Maybe someone around here has a response, or an update.

When and if these videos come out, 9/11 Truth will experience a major shift of one sort or another.

Flight 77

The Pugh footage in Loose ChangeFC will blow away the government's story.

This IS the smoking gun!

Everyone needs to focus on this footage when it's released and challenge every media outlet to air it.

There will be no escaping the visual record it presents.

Dutch news program Zembla investigates 9/11 theories

They think they have debunked the Pentagon theories and the controlled demolition of the world trade center but they can't debunk the collapse of wtc 7.

'The Conspiracy of September 11th'

'The Conspiracy of September 11th' is now available with Dutch subtitles. This documentary looks into the existing conspiracy theories as discussed in films like Loose Change 2nd edition. In cooperation with the Technical University Delft in The Netherlands, the National Aerospace Laboratory in The Netherlands and Dutch experts on controlled demolition we researched the likelihood of these theories.

Look for the streams with english subtitles here:

Is it possible for the plane

Is it possible for the plane to have flown as low to the ground as the computer animation shows?

STOP. No more discussion of

STOP. No more discussion of stupid videos of holes, lightpoles and wreckage at the Pentagon!!!
Ask the real question:

What were the orders that Cheney had given his aide, as per Norman Mineta's testimony?

The answer to this one question could crack open 9/11. When the Loose Change guys waste precious time on TV, and they don't do everything to focus on this one question, which could WRAP UP THE CASE, it's a disservice to 9/11 truth.


Paula Zahn Now when?

Is Loose Change really getting onto Zahn?

Doubters and 9/11

Coming up next.....on Zahn


'Im the Decider and he is the doubter'

Who the hell is Mike J.

Who the hell is Mike J. Wilson?

I don't know....these

I don't know....these debunkers are too good for me. I quit.

everyone has a price

Interesting to do a "whois" search to find Mike's website began back in 2001 - a graphics kind of guy with no essential content changes to his site until just now . . . why the sudden interest? Perhaps a new opportunity emerged from the shadows?

Go to the Internet archives:*/
and you can see his site content over the past five (5) years. Not much difference yearly or monthly.

Now, all of a sudden, everything changes. Menus have "coming soon", etc.

How much did he get?

Again, why the sudden interest? It's not like he taught himself this new skill and can just now go live with his product. Makes you really wonder about the synchronicity of such events.

Did we get paid to do this?

Interesting to do a "whois" search to find Mike's website began back in 2001 - a graphics kind of guy with no essential content changes to his site until just now . . . why the sudden interest? Perhaps a new opportunity emerged from the shadows?

Go to the Internet archives:*/
and you can see his site content over the past five (5) years. Not much difference yearly or monthly.

Now, all of a sudden, everything changes. Menus have "coming soon", etc.

How much did he get?

Again, why the sudden interest? It's not like he taught himself this new skill and can just now go live with his product. Makes you really wonder about the synchronicity of such events.

I didn't find that too

I didn't find that too impressive at all. It still doesn't answer the main question of where is the plane. Just show us the damn plane from all of the conceivable angles that are already recorded and available.

Flight 77 eyewitness which leaves nothing else to say after you listen here.

The fishy lens

The computer analyst says that the lens of the security camera distorted the size of the plane. He kind of failed to mention that it also distorted the image of the Pentagon to the same degree (distortion is in all directions) so the plane and the building, being close enough to eachother, would be equally distorted and thus still be comparable in a relative point of view. So there.



Hi Ben,
Thanks for the input. I really have to admit that the plane
flying that low just doesn't look right for the pilots skills.
Many people say the same. I wish I had better data to work with
than just photos and witness reports. I've never felt comfortable
with the flight path I have laid out, so if you find good info,
I'll check it out.

It's funny...

I've received strange emails with vague comments eluding to some
sort of cover-up or secret knowledge that 'only a few people on
the planet know' and that I'm 'getting too close to the truth'.
Although I don't take it too seriously, it does creep me out
sometimes. It makes me think of remote controlling, but man I just
don't want to go there unless there is good proof.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Aiken []
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: so low to the ground

Your computer animation you arrived at by accomadating
the available evidence shows the plane only a few feet
off the ground. Is this type of maneuver possible for
an amateur pilot? Considering that Flight 77 came
from the opposite side of the pentagon a few thousand
feet in the air and had to have done downward spiral
to make such an impact, is such a maneuver even
possible? This would be a logical next step in your

Ben Aiken
Austin, TX