BYU's 'Conspiracy' Professor Getting New Support
http://kutv.com/local/local_story_256194352.html
(KUTV) SALT LAKE CITY - It’s a local story – with ties to September 11th – that won’t go away.
Now, a BYU professor who believes a conspiracy was involved in the terror attacks on America is getting support from fellow scholars.
Physicist Steven Jones was put on administrative leave last week, because BYU officials were worried that his conspiracy beliefs are tarnishing the university’s image. The school also expressed concern over his research methods.
Jones believes that the hijacked airliners that crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 were not enough to topple the towers by themselves. He says the resulting fire simply did not burn hot enough to cause the structural damage necessary for the buildings to collapse.
Many have criticized Jones for his theory, but now an academic group is stepping forward to offer support.
A local chapter of the American Association of University Professors is criticizing BYU for its actions, saying that it restricts academic _expression of thought.
“The way that our institutions are supposed to work is, to raise questions,” said AAUP local founder Larry Anderson. “Let everybody else attack if they must.”
“This will help the information about his case get out to other people who are interested in academic freedom,” he added.
In response, BYU issued a statement saying that it “did not make its decision based on external pressure.”
Jones’ conspiracy theory is still generating some interest on the internet, among both supporters and critics – including Popular Mechanics, which says it can discredit any conspiracy theory.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
including Popular Mechanics, which says it can discredit any conspiracy theory.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. thats rich.
Yeah, I got a kick out of
Yeah, I got a kick out of that too...
Check this article in the
Check this article in the Deseret News Yesterday:
http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645201360,00.html
This is so blown out of purportion, and it is sad to see Steven Jones get villfiled.
Anti-Semitism?
How can they pull out the anti-semitism card in Jone's case? That is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
It is a cry for people to emotionally associate Professor Jones with the Nazi's and various other Aryan groups in the U.S., and is slanderous in the extreme.
A False-Flag Operation
This sounds like a false-flag operation to me.
Jones' credibility is in question. How does cheerleading change Jones' bogus work?
why don't you come out in the open and call his work bogus
coward just like this shitstain who wrote this article, this is the letter I sent him
the anti-semetic charge is hollow and callus in the case of jones, and
you know it. HOW DARE YOU print such libel, in fact people need to
start filing libel suits against pathetic sniveling little worms like
you, and the adl for it's constant mudsligning at anyone about
anything with the charge of anti-semitism.
I sent him a letter too,
I sent him a letter too, explaining why he should check out
Prof. Jones's connections with the neo-nazi Rick Rajter.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/07/holocaust-deniers-and-9-11-...
You guys are such low scum
and you're gonna fail.
Yeah, yeah, we've heard it
Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before...
"I have been commanded to fight until none but muslims are left."
- Osama Bin Laden
Yep
and you'll keep on hearing it, right on up to and through the 9/11 Trials.
Let it echo in your head.
Man that article is such a
Man that article is such a joke! There IS an international banking cartel, and it is a perfectly legitimate point of discussion. It is unfair to assume that jones is using this as codespeak for Jews simply becuase of a vague assertion that others do so.
The only thing that he should have to answer to is what HE meant by the statement, not the 'codespeak' of others!!!
That just shows their dishonesty
Wow, they can discredit ANY conspiracy theory? That just shows you how dishonest they are from the outset. That is impossible!
I imagine they will be getting a lot of calls from people with criminal charges, since "conspiracy" is one of the most common criminal charges in the country. Maybe a couple friends and I should form a conspiracy to rob a bank since we know that if we're caught PM can discredit the prosecutor's theory for us.
is this relevant?
I wonder if Dr. Jones has an idea where “temperatures as hot as the inner earth “ came from at the World Trade Center?
RE: 9/11: Remains of the day
In a hangar at JFK, World Trade Center artifacts are treated as sacred
NBC VIDEO
By Brian Williams
Anchor & “Nightly News” managing editor
NBC News
Updated: 7:25 p.m. ET Sept. 11, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14789146/
“We next enter a room containing a form that's difficult to describe. In any other museum, it could be passed off as a meteorite. And while this was born of intense heat, this is altogether different. This formation is really four separate stories of the World Trade Center, compressed, compacted, incinerated — exposed to temperatures as hot as the inner earth.”
Great News from PM
Fantastic!!!
Now that we have PM's solid claim that they can defend against "ANY" alternative theory then I say we would need to see them be part of the March 10, 2007 debate.
After all, with this kind of knowledge we could all be enlightened (simultaneously) and the Internet could be made a cleaner, healthier place too!
PM please come and show us ignoramuses your everlasting light of truth and knowledge.
Oops
Looks like the reporter messed up. He shouldn't have said anything that might draw attention to the validity of the "conspiracy theories." Better email MSNBC, and ask them to retract the "hot as the inner earth" statement.
We don't want NIST to have to issue a rebuttal to MSNBC too.
nice catch
just more fuel to conpiracy fire, does anyone know what the offical propaganda for thos etemperature are?
Dr Jones temperature explanation
http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php
Footage of the meteorite
You can watch a small video clip of the 'meteorite' here:
http://terrorize.dk/911/clues/
The chickenhawk wolf
Why Was Wolfowitz So Clueless On The Morning of 9/11?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/why-was-wolfowitz-so-clue_b_...
Father Mychal Judge
For the month of September in the year 2001 the Social
Security Death Index reports 13 Judge. They list a
John, Ann, Robert, Martha, Annie, Audrey, Gary,
Earlene, Patrick, Juanita, Walter, Dorothy, & Doris
but no Mychal. Ann was the only Judge listed to have
died on 9/11/01. So you can add Mychal Judge to the
list of notables like Mark Bingham, Todd Beamer, and
Barbara Olson who are not listed in the SSDI.
Simply not being reported in the SSDI is not proof
that someone by that name is not dead. Father Judge
could have participated in a public retirement system
all his life and not paid into Social Security.
However, why is it that everyone the government
paraded around like a show horse in the media is not
listed?
http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mychal_Judge
Patriots for 911 truth website
Here's a new website that lists Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Critics of the 9/11 Commission Report
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
I already wrote to Alan Miller with suggestions of people to add...
----------------------
Wikipedia listing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_accoun...
David Schippers
Cynthia McKinney
Daniel Ellsburg
John Buchanan
John Newman
Peter Dale Scott (former diplomat)
Ron Paul ?
Capt. May
http://www.spiritone.com/~pazuu/pow-mia/GhostTroopCaptMay.htm
Alfons and the crew at Veterans for 911 truth
http://www.v911t.org/
Anyone have anymore to add?
It's not just for conspiracy theorists anymore
is that for real?
is that for real?
Looks like it's real
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.06.06/index.html
Indeed it is
Silicon Valley weekly paper from Sept. 6
I took the pic of the guy reading it. :-)
nice.
nice.
Morgan Reynolds vs Steven E Jones
After much time and energy spent reading and researching, I've come to the conclusion that Morgan Reynolds is more believable than Steven Jones. As much as the "no plane crash" theories are vilified, I believe it is in fact easier for a layperson to see and understand that the video footage was edited and does not in fact show a plane hitting the WTC (2nd hit), compared to understanding that a building collapsing does not look like nor produce the remains observed at the WTC.
Additionally, the concerns expressed by Reynolds and Woods about the work of Jones seem IMO to be valid.
One example, Professor Jones claims to have found evidence of thermite and everyone is eager to lean on that finding. It's been shown by other credible scientists that thermite alone cannot account for the destructive energy observed at the WTC. What happens if a year from now, it comes to light that thermite was used as part of the cleanup effort, thereby nullifying Jones' findings, and at the same time making the movement look like gullible fools?
On the other hand, the videos of the 2nd plane hit are contradictory and in the one video (visit killtown if you haven't seen it), even a wingnut can see the nose penetrating the far side of the tower, whereas there was no hole seen on that side after the initial explosion dissipated. Of course the video alone is not proof of anything, but to the average American I think it may be a better starting point than even WTC7.
So now I'm left wondering, is Jones an honest guy but a bit of a twit (albeit an intelligent one), or is he some part of a concentrated effort to lead the movement astray and ultimately discredit it? Kudos to him for bringing the notion to the wider mainstream, but IMO he should more satisfactorily address the concerns expressed by Morgan Reynolds.
trollosaurus, You just lived
trollosaurus,
You just lived up to your name with that steaming pile of disinfo.
Are you for real
Dr. Jones does scientific research and publishes his findings without caliming to know everything, He just publishes what he finds, how is that anything but honest (as compared to no planes hitting the wtc claim with out research). If you want to see a summary of Dr Jones explaining the thermite evidence watch the video at:
http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php
If you cannot refute any of his specific claims with any specific evidence then you are very uncredible as a source of information. Stick to the facts, even of you have to take time to learn them first.
the facts
Maybe if I had a different screen name you guys would take me more seriously? I don't care, just expressing my own conclusions after many hours of study on this subject. I graduated from a technical college with a bachelor of science, so I do understand a thing or two about facts.
I couldn't get the video you linked to play just now, but I wonder if in the video he explains how he can be sure that the thermite did not come from a cleanup effort? I saw the symposium on C-SPAN and he didn't address that possibility there. If you're not concerned about this possibility, then I think you're either being dishonest with yourself or with the rest of us.
There are a lot of good scientists studying this and I give enormous credit to Jim Hoffman. I also find Reynolds' analyses to be quite compelling.
Have you guys read Reynolds and Woods comments on Jones' findings? If not, you should. If yes, I'd like to read some fact-based opinions as to why they are wrong.
the thing is, this is bigger
the thing is, this is bigger than Jones or Wood or Reynolds or all of us. this is about the common theme that all the evidence points to inside job. we can all agree on that. the problem is, you no planers conspicuously choose to beat "no planes at the towers" into the ground at the expense of everything else. wasnt Nico or someone walking around ground zero with a shirt saying something along the lines of -"its the plane huggers fault?". how can you justify that? at least Jones doesnt go after other people who have the same basic goals like Wood and Reynolds do. Jones has contributed more than just CGI, what has Reynolds done lately but try to divide and destroy like the rest of you no planers?
i was not a no-planer
until about 2 days ago. Research, information, evidence led me there. Try it some time, it's enlightening.
Probably unlike most of you, I believed in CD (or PO - planned obliteration, since it looked so unlike a standard controlled demo) long before there was a 911blogger or a Steven Jones paper. Only intense reading over the past few weeks has brought me full circle to no-planes, or the "magic single plane" theory as described by Reynolds.
However, as you wish, masters. I'm willing to not push no planes and I'll try not to mention it on this blog again.
I just think we should all be cautious about relying too much on one piece of evidence.
Good day.
one piece of evidence. i
one piece of evidence. i agree. like no planes for instance. all of us here except for the no planers focus on more than 1 piece of eveidence it seems.
This was the
This was the T-shirt:
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006/09/bush-supports-911-tv-fakery.html
Bush supports 9/11 TV Fakery :)
"...all of us here except for the no planers focus on more than 1 piece of eveidence.."
and this is a bold lie
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html
I'm even the co-founder of ny911truth (2003), where the convention took place and i spoke late monday night at St. Mark's Church, where ny911 meet every weekend.
I wasn't invited to speak at Cooper Union or Community Church.
your shirt says plane
your shirt says plane huggers did 9/11. so everyone who doesnt subscribe to your little no planes theory is in on it huh? the shirt says it all "ewing". your nothing but a troll trying to divide us.
The division was already
The division was already scripted by the planners of 9/11.
I'm only around to show where that is.
History will prove, how many planes really arrived in(to) their 4 official targets.
Research doesn't block Activism and political strategies!
The silence of MSM on the protests should make you think
but i guess you still need one more year but then it's too late...
your political and media
your political and media strategy SUCKS.
Yes, I've read them
and additionally Jones' response, and their response to his response.
Jones' commentary is measured and scientific, in the sense that it is easy to see his commitment to the scientific method. This commitment extends even to supporting the creation of a peer-reviewed paper to look at the NPT, although it appears that he personally thinks it's bunkum.
Morgan and Wood, on the other hand, argue like skeezy defense lawyers. Their statements are clearly intended to be primarily character assassinations directed at Jones. Then, they add to that effort their mutually exclusive theories that a) no real plane hit the towers and b) molten metal in some photographs is not iron, as Jones suggests, but ALUMINUM FROM THE PLANE that did not exist.
That's freakin' inexcusable.
good point
I don't know what the glowing metal was or why Reynolds & Woods would make such a contradictory argument.
Although reviewing their work again, i'm not seeing where they claim that the molten metal is "from the plane" - all they seem to be saying is that (contradictory to Jones' claim) it *could* be aluminum.
I do doubt that a plane could slice through steel and concrete without any compression or change of momentum.
But I do allow that I could be mistaken.
sulfer
Even fema has reported on the sulfidation of the metal at the WTC, so to imply that Steven Jones is the only one reporting on this is not credible, and he did address this in the chicago conference. These are facts (which is what I always try to emphasize). It was in the video I linked. You might want to download then watch, It's wondows media which can be tempermental when using firefox or other non ie browsers. I also studied physics, math, electrical engineering, and chemistry at UCSD, I also worked as a reactor operator in a nuclear propulsion plant, and I currently make a living tutoring math, physics, chemistry, electrical engineering and computer programming, so you are not alone in your technical knowledge here. But knowledge must be applied to facts to produce logical conclusions, If you/I truely believe what you/I are syaing (and I mean ME especially) then we should be able to make a convincing argument based on facts applied logically to arrive at a conclusion (even to conclude the evidence is inconclusive), and if we can't persuade other REASONABLE people to agree or at lest respect our perspective, we must first look at the weaknesses in the way we presented our case, before blaming others, (This is a general rule that applies to most people, not a law applicable to every one, we all know indivduals who are brainwashed beyond critical thinking on both sides of the fence), and I'd be happy to engage in a geeky exchange of facts and logic, it could be very elucidating for both of us. Since youhave a technical education I really would like to hear your perspective. It may help me understand the short comings of my own perspective in either fact or presentation or both.
(It may take a few hours to get back to you as I will be very busy today)
Honesty
You questioned his honesty! not just his conclusions. So if some one comes up with facts and conclusions that you or other peolple don;t like or agree with, then that's dishonest? If you have research and come up with a different opinion than I do, I would argue your facts or logic befor ever questioning your honesty, You have basically called Dr Jones a Liar, did you expect respect for that? Dr Jones put his work out for all to see!! His integrity doesn't warrant your insults.
PS As far as being familiar with Dr Jones work, I'm the one who produced the video clip that he'll be showing to the 9/11 Italian conference this weekend, so yes I am familiar with his work, quite familiar. If you want to see the clip he'll be showing it's here:
http://www.supportthetruth.com/videos/jones_bb.wmv
Kind of big though, 58 Megs
not calling Jones a liar
just wondering. Maybe he never considered the possibility that thermite might have been legitimately used as part of the cleanup. Maybe he has ruled it out, I don't know. After I read the Reynolds & Woods stuff, that got me wondering - that's all.
yes, that is the whole point
yes, that is the whole point of disinfo artists. to get you to wonder about stuff and get you going in circles. Reynolds is a pro at this.
disinfo or not
if we didn't "wonder about stuff", we'd just take the "official" version, hook, line, and sinker.
Because we wonder about stuff, we are here on this website.
Unless there's something more than suspicion, I have the assumption that Reynolds is not intentionally trying to deceive anyone. I could be very wrong in that assumption. Either way, let's hope this thing blows out even more into the mainstream and we eventually get some real answers to all the questions including identifying *all* the guilty and complicit parties.
oh jesus christ, why dont
oh jesus christ, why dont you play semantics. you know damn well what i meant about "wonder about stuff". as in the point is to get you to wonder about Jones because Woods and Reynolds are clear disinfo. dont play stupid with me and parce my words.
who's playing stupid
I wonder about Jones, I wonder about Reynolds, and I wonder about you.
The correct spelling of "parce" is "parse".
Chris, IMO, unlike some of the other posters here who engage in meaningful discussion, you are a discredit to the cause.
The last refuge of a scoundrel
is correcting the spelling in other people's posts.
so i am a scoundrel
just because I resent being called stupid by someone who can't even spell?
Or because I have an opinion different than yours?
No wonder half the world thinks the 911 truthers are nuts.
I'll spell it out for you.
Correcting the spelling in other people's posts is petty.
fair enough but
that doesn't make Chris a credit to his cause.
thank you cass, it is petty.
thank you cass, it is petty. and troll, so i spelled a word wrong. my god, isnt that horrible. im not the one who was playing semantics. you knew what i was talking about but chose to pretend you didnt. are you a credit to the cause? how many news outlets have you contacted today? how many DVDs have you handed out this week? did you lead with "no planes hit the towers" when you contacted the media? you think your a credit? petty little coward disinfo bitch.
genuine
boy, you are a genuine, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic.
My point was that disinfo or not, wondering about things is good.
Sorry it went so far over your head. And sorry I ever engaged you to begin with. I'm sure you're very busy ranting and raving to news outlets, making us all look like the whacko you are. I wasn't trying to parce anything, honest.
You might want to do something about that anger problem there.
good luck.
yes he has considered it
Dr. Jones spoke with numerous workers on the WTC clean-up crews after 9/11 and they used Acetylene torches to clean up the steel. He has published a lot of photographic evidence showing this process.
clarification
I would just point out for the sake of accuracy, that building 6 was "pulled" in the clean up, this can be verified from the America rebuilds video where Silverslime talks about "pulling" wtc 7.
perfect name man.
perfect name man.
call me a conspiracy theorist, but
the last time I saw this crap was when killtown dropped by to poop it out, and you link to his site... this shit is so see-through, it just reinforces my gut instinct to totally support Steven Jones.
ad hominem - if you don't know what it means
look it up. Do you have anything other than ad hominem to back up your disregard of Reynolds? Please enlighten us readers with something more than ad hominem, like a link maybe.
I didn't call you anything
I said call me a conspiracy theorist. Cuz I have a theory about these attacks on Professor Jones.
didn't say you did,
but this to me is an ad hominem argument:
"the last time I saw this crap was when killtown dropped by to poop it out, and you link to his site... this shit is so see-through"
Just looking for some contradictory evidence instead, that's all.
We're on the same side (I think) - I know I want me and everyone else to know the truth, whatever that might turn out to be.
Only an honest, thorough, transparent scientific investigation will get us there.
ad hominem
Troll, if you don't like ad hominem's then you must really dislike the last few Reynolds/Woods papers which are full of ad hominems. I really don't know what their intentions were writing such unprofessional pieces of work, but regardless, they both lost my respect.
I see irony in watching you defend a person (Reynolds) who has crammed in more ad hominems per paragraph in his last few papers than any other [serious] paper, essay or journal article I have read, and yet you obviously dislike it when YT uses one ad hominem.
It appears to be quite the double standard.
I'm not saying I support ad hominems either. I think if a science debate stays scientific it's for the best. Ad hominems don't help anything.
I was just flabbergasted at the quantity of ad homimens and lack of quality of the latest Reynolds/Woods papers, so your comment on ad hominems really stood out for me when I read it...
point taken
They do however present at least some scientific information to back up their arguments. But I agree that the attacks are rather unprofessional and it *does* make one wonder.
What about this site: http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
I just came across it and I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's been debunked anywhere?
start wth this
from your source:
This, by the way, is a place where Jim Hoffman makes a serious mistake; in his paper on the dust cloud, he fails to note that he has to ADD THE HEAT BACK IN when he’s totaling things up at the end. This is a violation of conservation of energy, the First Law of Thermodynamics (and a foundational law of physics).
The first law of thermodynamis is the change in enery of a system is is equal to heat added - work done . There is no way to account for the work done, all the deformation, friction energy of the sound waves, shock waves, etc must be accounted for, Notice how very ambiguous and deceptive this statement is, He enver actually defines he First Law of Thermodynamics just throws it in there to sound smart (like someone who claims to know physics but can't point out the obvious flaws in this paper)
then:
The energy dissipated during the fall is about 250 or 300 GJ, and the leftover energy at impact is about 600 GJ. So it’s about a quarter kiloton of TNT for the North tower and about a fifth of a kiloton for the South tower; that’s still a hell of a lot of energy, more than sufficient to liquefy a pretty healthy chunk of steel, and it doesn’t change the fact that there’s a lot more energy in the office contents.
It was the energy from the fall that turned steel to molten pools? Are you seriously buying this. You claim to know physics, then you should know this is absurd. Most of The energy from the fall was transferred to the deformation of the materials and the shock wave that radiated through the earths crust. It turned into enough thermal energy to create molen pools of steel is absolute nonsense. So why didn't you point out this rediculous calim before trying to pass it on as plausible?
also:
Energy that does work gets dissipated, and when that happens, it turns to heat. This is a well known fact of physics, specifically thermodynamics,
This is a complete over genralization intended on misleading. Energy that does work does not have to dissipate heat except for the friction it overcomes. Lift a book, you did work on the book, how much hotter did the book become? now drop the book, did the book melt? no? then go to a higher building and drop it again, did the book bust into falmes or start glowing red? no? go to a higher building .... but the book isn't heavy enough, not enough energy, so do it again with steel beems and let me know how high you had to drop it so it melted into a pool on impact.
This is an absurd attempt at physics and logic. Took me all of a couple of minutes to see the bias of this article. This is a foundation? These are your Facts?
Don't claim such a knowledge of physics if your going to submit rubbish like this.
thanks, i was just wondering
I never said it was a fact, all I asked if there was a debunking of it somewhere, since Joseph Cannon's blog links to this as his evidence there were no explosives.
Obviously the idea that friction or energy from the collapse melted the steel is preposterous, i was just wondering if there is already a posted debunking of this crap where I could send Mr Cannon without asking him to take my word for it.
Boy you guys sure are angry. At least glowform I credit you with providing some intelligence, as compared to "Chris" who seems to have nothing but anger.
Thanks for the discussion, I'll stick to friendlier sites and leave you folks to your devices.
bye
email from Dr Steven Jones:
From an email I recieved from Dr Steven Jones:
"Things have changed some around here you may have heard, but I’m still working hard!!"
posted at:
http://www.supportthetruth.com/jones.php
This guys spirit will not be surpressed by a bunch hypocrticical governmental minions controlloing BYU.
He's giving a presentation to the 9/11 Italian conference over the internet, There is not quit in this guy, that's very encouraging!
good points
well stated, especially the turning on those trying to honest work. It is a message that needs to to be said more.
I don't see anything wrong
I don't see anything wrong with what's being done to
Jihadistan Jones here. If employees of the mormon
church promote naziism and Holocaust denial, they
get the boot.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/07/holocaust-deniers-and-9-11-...
(The jones PDF file listed at the above webpage is
now hosted at st911.org, the nazi refetrence in it
is unchanged.)
Soon to be ex-Professor Jones used church owned
webserves to promote a neo-nazi Holocaust denier
and now it turns out he's a swastika swinging jew-
hater himself.
When allied forces launched thier final assault upon
Hitlers empire, they named one of thier beachheads
"Utah". Now today, a member of the church is rubber
stamping the propaganda of the enemy thousands
of Americans, British and Canadians gave thier lives
to defeat.
Jones has inflicted a grave dishonor upon the Kingdom
and the Royal Preisthood he swore to stay worthy of.
if I were him, I would be more afraid of what happens to
him AFTER BYU is done with him.
that link doesn't work, do
that link doesn't work, do you have another or the title of the paper you are referring to. I cannot reapond until I've read his paper for myself, We all remeber what John moseley said on world net daily and how that turned out.
I have a question for you, as ex navy I am curious when you claim:
member of the church is rubber
stamping the enemy thousands
of Americans, British and Canadians gave thier lives
to defeat.
How do you feel about the Bush family considering it was Prescott Bush who, through Brown brothers Harrimen, was principle financier of Hitler and his war machine and how do you feel about IBM which designed the machine for which the numbered tatoos were used so the nazis would know just how long they could work some one before they should murder them for reduction in productivity from age and stress?
Prescott Bush never funded
Prescott Bush never funded Hitler.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12263
The Screw Loose Change link works fine for me.
It wasn't Jones who advocated the violent overthrow of the
US government, it was his buddy James Fetzer. John
Moseley saw two chubby old white guys spewing garbage
and matched the right garbage to the wrong trash-mouth.
http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=j1dxcwnt8x627gjyg5jn728rfkn21t9l
And the link for Jones' PDF where he references neo-nazi
Rick Rajter is here:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/JonesAnswersQuestionsWorldTradeCenter...
(Look on page 36)
Everything else is found in the Screw Loose Change link
I provided.
the srew loose change link
the srew loose change link works, but the link to Jones paper doesn't work.
and Prescott Bush DEFINETLY fuded Hitler via BBH and Fritz Thyssen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/1616437.php
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
It wasn't real obvious that you were on bush's brainwashed brigade, it only took 1 post and 1 question to figure that out, and you age old losers tactic of screaming anti-semitism do discredit some one because you can't debate the facts with out looking like a total idiot isn't going to work. Why don;t you , georgy, jeff ganan and your gerbel get together at the bohemian grove and get real close.
AND YOUR SUCH A BLATANT IDIOT, THE MOSELEY LIE ABOUT OVER THROWING THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO OVERT WORLD NET DAILY HAD TO POST A RETRACTION FOR THAT LIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR ASSES SUED OFF. THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR AN UNCREDIBLE MORON THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE IGNORED FOR TRYING TO PERPETUATE ALREADY ADMITTED LIES, LOSER!
HERE YOU GO RETARD
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540http://www.wnd.com/n...
Rick Rajter IS a nazi. You
Rick Rajter IS a nazi. You can see both Jones and
Reynolds kissing his ass on thier own websites.
And you can see Rajter linking to white suprema-
cist sites and denying the Holocaust.
Fetzer himself admits to calling Moseley a jew in
his response that was printed by WND.
Jones didn't just say "the banking system needs
reform", he accused two jews in the white house
of murdering 3,000 people and then added in the
bankers.
It was definately Fetzer who called for armed revolution.
Moseley made an honest mistake, anyone could have
done it.
Prescott Bush was not a nazi bankroller, deal with it.
"Let me tell you, for years, I've been waiting for there to be a military
coup to depose these traitors,... There actually was one weekend,
where I said to myself, my God, it's going to happen this weekend,
and I'm going to wake up and they will have taken these guys off in
chains. Listen to me. The degree of perfidy involved here is so great,
that in the time of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides, frenzied
mobs would have dragged these men out of their beds in the middle
of the night and ripped them to shreds!"
- Reichsfuhrer James H. Fetzer, June 2006
If this is such a lie, why isn't anyone suing Chronicle of Higher Education?
(HINT: Fetzer knows he said it and will get nailed for perjury if he tries to
deny it in court.)
http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=j1dxcwnt8x627gjyg5jn728rfkn21t9...
yet another lie
but you are consistant:
THIS IS A LIEING, BLATANT IDIOT WITH NO CREDIBILITY,
THE MOSELEY LIE ABOUT OVER THROWING THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO OVERT WORLD NET DAILY HAD TO POST A RETRACTION FOR THAT LIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR ASSES SUED OFF. THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR AN UNCREDIBLE MORON THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE IGNORED FOR TRYING TO PERPETUATE ALREADY ADMITTED LIES.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540http://www.wnd.com/n...
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Prescott Bush never funded Hitler.
Prescott Bush DEFINETLY fuded Hitler via BBH and Fritz Thyssen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/1616437.php
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
It wasn't real obvious that you were on bush's brainwashed brigade,
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Jones is a holocaust denier (which then becomes jones refers to a holocaust denier)
Here's what the article said:
A particularly interesting 9-11 Denier is Rick Rajter. Rajter is a student member of the "Scholars" for 9-11 Denial. He is cited in a new paper (PDF file, see Page 24) by Professor Stephen Jones, as being in the process of preparing a rebuttal of 9-11 Myths. He has also collaborated with "Scholar" full member Morgan Reynolds on Reynold's website.
AND OF COURSE HE HAS NO FACTS ABOUT THE PROFESSORS RESEARCH, JUST SLANDEROUS ACCUSTIONS PROMOTED BY GOVERNMENT SHILLS, GEE, HOW ORIGINAL, HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TRASH BEFORE, EXCEPT ON FOX NEWS.
since they can't win on facts they're going to try the desperate anti-semitism route. Resources to deal with this racist agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brkmfrxrQY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE
http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/028mcLambZion.mp3
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
and this of course is a bush brainwashed brigade proaganda outlet that he's trying to pass as credible. This moron is beyond stupid. Like a rash maybe if you ignore it, it'll go away.
Again, I ask, other than
Again, I ask, other than antagonizing people with your rhetoric what exactly are you coming to this website to accomplish?
Because someone has to stand
Because someone has to stand up for the truth.
And if not me, then who?
Bush's brainwashed Brigade
THIS IS A LIEING, BLATANT IDIOT WITH NO CREDIBILITY,
THE MOSELEY LIE ABOUT OVER THROWING THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO OVERT WORLD NET DAILY HAD TO POST A RETRACTION FOR THAT LIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR ASSES SUED OFF. THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR AN UNCREDIBLE MORON THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE IGNORED FOR TRYING TO PERPETUATE ALREADY ADMITTED LIES.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540http://www.wnd.com/n...
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Prescott Bush never funded Hitler.
Prescott Bush DEFINETLY fuded Hitler via BBH and Fritz Thyssen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/1616437.php
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
It wasn't real obvious that you were on bush's brainwashed brigade,
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Jones is a holocaust denier (which then becomes jones refers to a holocaust denier)
Here's what the article said:
A particularly interesting 9-11 Denier is Rick Rajter. Rajter is a student member of the "Scholars" for 9-11 Denial. He is cited in a new paper (PDF file, see Page 24) by Professor Stephen Jones, as being in the process of preparing a rebuttal of 9-11 Myths. He has also collaborated with "Scholar" full member Morgan Reynolds on Reynold's website.
AND OF COURSE HE HAS NO FACTS ABOUT THE PROFESSORS RESEARCH, JUST SLANDEROUS ACCUSTIONS PROMOTED BY GOVERNMENT SHILLS, GEE, HOW ORIGINAL, HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TRASH BEFORE, EXCEPT ON FOX NEWS.
since they can't win on facts they're going to try the desperate anti-semitism route. Resources to deal with this racist agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brkmfrxrQY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE
http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/028mcLambZion.mp3
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
This moron is the worst kind of stupid, the willfully and pruod to be stupid. Like a rash maybe if you ignore it, it'll go away.
The co-chair and co-founder
The co-chair and co-founder of Sholars for 9-11 Denial,
James H. Fetzer called for the violent overthrow of the
United States government.
"Let me tell you, for years, I've been waiting for there to be a military
coup to depose these traitors,... There actually was one weekend,
where I said to myself, my God, it's going to happen this weekend,
and I'm going to wake up and they will have taken these guys off in
chains. Listen to me. The degree of perfidy involved here is so great,
that in the time of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides, frenzied
mobs would have dragged these men out of their beds in the middle
of the night and ripped them to shreds!"
- Reichsfuhrer James H. Fetzer, June 2006
http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=j1dxcwnt8x627gjyg5jn728rfkn21t9...
Your response shows that you're just the kind of angry hater personality
type that responds well to this kind of hate-speech.
link got
link got fubared:
http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=j1dxcwnt8x627gjyg5jn728rfkn21t9l
wrong
the military cout he was talking about was that since the adminstration was not about to get prosecuted, because they appoint all the cheifs of the bureaus that do the prosecuting, and it would be self prosectution, he hoped some of the military officers would arrest them under military law, as they are all in the military chain of command and therefore subject to military law. Thanks for showing once agin how to NOT HAVE ANY FACTS about 9/11 so you have to TRY THE LIE! That loser tactic won't work here, try fox news and they'll love you:
tally of your LIES:
THIS IS A LIEING, BLATANT IDIOT WITH NO CREDIBILITY,
THE MOSELEY LIE ABOUT OVER THROWING THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO OVERT WORLD NET DAILY HAD TO POST A RETRACTION FOR THAT LIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR ASSES SUED OFF. THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR AN UNCREDIBLE MORON THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE IGNORED FOR TRYING TO PERPETUATE ALREADY ADMITTED LIES.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540http://www.wnd.com/n...
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Prescott Bush never funded Hitler.
Prescott Bush DEFINETLY fuded Hitler via BBH and Fritz Thyssen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/1616437.php
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
It wasn't real obvious that you were on bush's brainwashed brigade,
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Jones is a holocaust denier (which then becomes jones refers to a holocaust denier)
Here's what the article said:
A particularly interesting 9-11 Denier is Rick Rajter. Rajter is a student member of the "Scholars" for 9-11 Denial. He is cited in a new paper (PDF file, see Page 24) by Professor Stephen Jones, as being in the process of preparing a rebuttal of 9-11 Myths. He has also collaborated with "Scholar" full member Morgan Reynolds on Reynold's website.
AND OF COURSE HE HAS NO FACTS ABOUT THE PROFESSORS RESEARCH, JUST SLANDEROUS ACCUSTIONS PROMOTED BY GOVERNMENT SHILLS, GEE, HOW ORIGINAL, HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TRASH BEFORE, EXCEPT ON FOX NEWS.
since they can't win on facts they're going to try the desperate anti-semitism route. Resources to deal with this racist agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brkmfrxrQY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE
http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/028mcLambZion.mp3
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
and this of course is a bush brainwashed brigade proaganda outlet that he's trying to pass as credible. This moron is beyond stupid. Like a rash maybe if you ignore it, it'll go away.
Actually what Reichsfuhrer
Actually what Reichsfuhrer Fetzer talked about was taking men
from thier beds in the middle the night and tearing them to shreds.
Nothing there about any trials.
But at least you now admit that Moseley wasn't lying, that one of the
co-chairs/co-founders of Scholars for 9-11 Denial was advocating
the violent overthrow of an elected government.
So... I'm just wondering... the reason why you obviously didn't read
the article debunking the myth of Prescott Bush financing the nazi's,
is it because the website I linked to is run by a jew?
holocaust finance denier
holocaust finance denier is what you are, the RESEARCH of the congressional archives is where the facts came from, of course you didn't know that because your nose is to far up republican rear end to see anything other the cheeks your lips are pressed against.
World net dairly had to publish a retraction because of moseleys lies. Thanks for yet another lie, holocaust finance denier!!
Fetzer reffered to taking this adminstration out in chains, that means arrested, yet another lie from the holocaust denier.
I didn't know and don't care if the link was run by a jew or muslum or mormon or whatever, the desperate anti-semtic racist tactics are your methods, I deal in facts, and you still have none. let's look at your tally:
slanderous lies: 4
9/11 facts: 0
That sums it up.
Sorry Glowworm, the truth is
Sorry Glowworm, the truth is out about the "truth" movement.
The "truth" movment is shot through with white supremacists
and anti-semites and even the best of you can't avoid goose-
stepping in a pile of nazi turd.
No one in your movement seems even remotely interested
in removing the spawn of Hitler from your ranks.
Your leaders fantasize about violence like the muslim fanatics
they apologize for while they literally dance with the devil.
You make up stories about people you WISH were nazis while
you walk hand in hand with real ones.
If the fact that hardly any scientists and engineers will join your
cause won't push fence sitters to the side of the truth,
If the utter absurdity of your claims won't do it,
If the fact that it would have taken THOUSANDS of government
employees doing everything absolutely perfectly with no rehersals
or tests to pull off this massive conspiracy and stay silent for years
won't test thier credulity,
Then the fact that one of the darkest evils to ever plague mankind
is marching next to you will.
And not for my sake, not for the satisfaction of winning an internet
argument will this be done...
...but for the future of all the children of men.
HAHA you wish
Your boss is a fucking moron.
another perfect example
another perfect example of a bush worshipping moron who has absolutely no facts about 9/11 so he has to try and plant slanderous lies to side track the the focus. that's not going to work here:
Slanderous lies:4
9/11 facts: 0
Notice waht a rascist hypocrite he is, jones says the name feith and perl and this racist starts screaming jew, jew. this is their pathetic attempt to slander 9/11 truth movement as anti semetic.
This is probably rob the guy who got banned for too much foul language, he just came back with a different name and the same sorry tactics, no facts and all lies.
lets look at some of his lies:
THIS IS A LIEING, BLATANT IDIOT WITH NO CREDIBILITY,
THE MOSELEY LIE ABOUT OVER THROWING THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO OVERT WORLD NET DAILY HAD TO POST
A RETRACTION FOR THAT LIE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR ASSES SUED OFF.
THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR AN UNCREDIBLE MORON THAT SHOULD AND WILL BE IGNORED FOR TRYING TO
PERPETUATE ALREADY ADMITTED LIES.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540http://www.wnd.com/n...
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Prescott Bush never funded Hitler.
Prescott Bush DEFINETLY fuded Hitler via BBH and Fritz Thyssen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/1616437.php
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm
It wasn't real obvious that you were on bush's brainwashed brigade,
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
He tries to claim Dr Jones is a supporter of Hitler and then stands by Arnold Schwarzanazi
who has stated HE ADMIRES HITLER and still supports friends who are convicted nazis.
Unbelievable hippocrisy!!
ANOTHER OF HIS LIES:
Jones is a holocaust denier (which then becomes jones refers to a holocaust denier, which
then becomes he referenced a holocaust denier)
Here's what the article said:
A particularly interesting 9-11 Denier is Rick Rajter. Rajter is a student member of the
"Scholars" for 9-11 Denial. He is cited in a new paper (PDF file, see Page 24) by Professor
Stephen Jones, as being in the process of preparing a rebuttal of 9-11 Myths. He has also
collaborated with "Scholar" full member Morgan Reynolds on Reynold's website.
AND OF COURSE HE HAS NO FACTS ABOUT THE PROFESSORS RESEARCH, JUST SLANDEROUS ACCUSTIONS
PROMOTED BY GOVERNMENT SHILLS, GEE, HOW ORIGINAL, HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TRASH BEFORE, EXCEPT ON
FOX NEWS.
since they can't win on facts they're going to try the desperate anti-semitism route.
Resources to deal with this racist agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brkmfrxrQY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfow...
%2Fww3%2Flebanon%5Fgalloway%5Fwipes%5Ffloor%5Fwith%5Fskynews%5Fanchor%2Ehtm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE
http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/028mcLambZion.mp3
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
This moron is beyond stupid. Like a rash maybe if you ignore it, it'll go away.
It's not that kind of rash.
Just more false flag bullshit from the office that FAILS the hardest.
he's more like herpes than a rash
I really think this is rob who was banned, notice the same circular logic based on lies, for example:
he pretends to be anti hitler and 911 truth walks with nazis, but then loves bush who always stands with his good buddy Arnold who admits HE ADMIRES HITLER and still has nazi criminal friends and whos father was a nazi governor, working with bushs grandfather that was the chief nazi financier. just like rob, a complete hypocrite
The same person
runs a number of identities on here.
All I have to say to them is get a real job.
So defending a guy whose
So defending a guy whose grandfather had money stolen from
him by the nazis and a person who was endorsed by austrian
jewish community groups in his hometown is bad.
But cuddling up with real live modern day swastika swingers
like Rajter and the trailer dwelling inbreds at stormfront.org
is good?
Wow, that's great guys. Boy, if there's a movement out there
where you get to hang out with the KKK and accuse everyone
else of being a nazi, I wanna sign up!
[/sarcasm]
Arnold admires hitler, You
Arnold admires hitler, You know, Bush's good buddy Arnold schwarzanazi, just hang out with your good buddy Arnold the Hitler admirer and you'll be where the kkk can only dream of going! Oh but Arnold kisses government ass so it's okay he admires Hitler (if you're a government worshipping hypocrite) Hey, and here's how your idol George w(himpy) Bush thanks the troops:
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php
Gee, traitors flock together. Oh but go ahead and spew out more lies how Bush loves the troops and of course the army times must be liberal for pointing out Bush as a traitorous hypocrite. Do you get get on your knees to kiss bush's butt or do you put him on a pedastool?
Still no 9/11 facts, none, zero, nada. All lies No Facts
Support Jones, E-Mail BYU
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Dear BYU President, Department Chair, and Deans,
I would like to call your attention to the following statement, in full support of Steven Jones in light of recent events. What is at stake here is more than just the livelihood of one man, this is an issue of free speech and academic freedom.
Steven Jones was placed on paid leave last week while BYU "reviews his involvement in the so-called '9/11 truth movement' that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center." This situation comes on the heels of similar actions taken against two other professors -- Kevin Barrett at University of Wisconsin-Madison and William Woodward at the University of New Hampshire. While both of these individuals' academic freedoms have been (begrudgingly) supported by their universities, Wisconsin and New Hampshire legislators are threatening university funding cuts.
Dr. Woodward has succinctly asked the critical question at issue: "Are we going to continue to have tenure and protection of free speech, or are we going to have politicians deciding what is acceptable to teach our children?"
At stake in this situation is not really whether professors can teach 'alternative 9/11 theories.' The deeper issues are constitutional -- are Americans allowed to question the government at all? A particularly Orwellian position paper released this month by the White House, the "National Strategy for Combating Terrorism," offers us a clear picture of our government's answer to this question:
"The terrorism we confront today springs from . . . [s]ubcultures of conspiracy and misinformation. Terrorists recruit more effectively from populations whose information about the world is contaminated by falsehoods and corrupted by conspiracy theories. The distortions keep alive grievances and filter out facts that would challenge popular prejudices and self-serving propaganda. . . In place of a culture of conspiracy and misinformation, democracy offers freedom of speech, independent media, and the marketplace of ideas, which can expose and discredit falsehoods, prejudices, and dishonest propaganda."
It's not very difficult to see that with this disgraceful attempt to link terrorism to the free expression of ideas, the US government is aiming to foment an environment in which it may criminalize those who disagree with the government. The Orwellian architects of this dizzying statement obviously want nothing of "freedom of speech, independent media, and the marketplace of ideas" when powerful alternative views gain purchase. They are in full denial over the fact that it is US policy, and not the free expression of ideas, which produces terrorism. The battle facing these three professors may be a harbinger of things to come, and we urge everyone to support them as fully as possible.
In support of Steven Jones,
_______________
Contact information for the departments at BYU involved in Dr. Jones' "review" follows:
Dr. Cecil O. Samuelson, President, Brigham Young University
Email can be sent through contact form at http://unicomm.byu.edu/president/feedback.aspx
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Dean, College of Physical and Mathematical Science
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BYU Department of Physics and Astronomy
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