The LIHOP/MIHOP Labels Are Divisive

Most people don't realize that if elements of our Government lifted a finger, a FINGER to help with the success of the attacks, they MADE it happen.

That INCLUDES making a conscious decision to do... absolutely... NOTHING.

We know they did a HELLUVA lot more than nothing, but other people don't.

A lot of people have a hard time accepting that our Government would have a hand in it. It's until they see all of the evidence that they eventually follow suit.

I just think of my own experience with 9/11. At first, I wanted to carpet bomb the entire Middle East. Then, I started to see the reactions of our Government, and although I originally agreed with the idea of invading Afghanistan, I now know it was wrong.

Then I saw how the families had to fight for the creation of the Commission... Because the Bush Administration opposed it. It's not rocket science at the point. "Hmmm... what are they trying to hide.", and generally at that point, most people are "off to the races" as they say.

Other people research differently, and other people require different amounts of information. They get to a certain point in their research where they've been convinced, and make a decision that the truth must be told. For some, it's a different point than others. For others, they have to know everything.

The point is... just because someone isn't as far along as someone else in their research, doesn't mean you have to give them a label. Doing so is divisive. Ask the "King of Divisiveness".

It's about having patience with other people around you. We don't have to get along, and we don't even have to like each other. We do, however, have to have a common goal, and that has ALWAYS been absolute truth, and absolute accountability. No matter where it leads.

LIHOP leads to MIHOP

Why is it so hard for people to understand that LIHOP is the gateway to MIHOP?

Mainstream LIHOP will inevitably lead to MIHOP. There is no way LIHOP can be safely contained. Recognition of LIHOP leads to WTC 7, which instantly converts it to MIHOP.

What scares me is the possibility that, deep down, a lot of people suspect LIHOP but supress it through cognitive dissonance. I suppose if LIHOP is contained until after 2008, it might become an "irrelevant footnote" like the Gulf of Tonkin. But mainstream LIHOP in the next 2 years scares the crap out of this administration.

As you probably know, Jon

those ridiculous terms were devised by Nico Haupt (ewing2001)... way back.

He's an old hand at taking a useless, distracting concept and spreading it far and wide.

 

I know...

I invented the term "Truther." I don't think that's divisive though...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Yeah, that one's not so bad

I kind of like it.

 

YT is still too much in his

YT is still too much in his diapers to know what he's actually talking about.

I invented the acronym "LIHOP" at the same time when we created "9/11 Science and Justice Alliance", which was pure inside job issue and research on Controlled Demolition and Co.
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html

The strategy was indeed to push leftgatekeepers at democraticunderground.com through the next level: MIHOP.

The goal worked until cointel-pro assets like Nic Levis hijacked the term LIHOP and sat on it , even up to 2004/05.

During 2002 i was more naive, didn't actually know what a leftgatekeeper is, believed in the same political "breakthrough" via MSM like most 9/11 truthling goblins still believe *now*.

When hangouter like William Rivers Pitt started to hijack the LIHOP term as well, i woke up...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower.htm

Ironically the second generation of LIHOP dwarfs brought you people like Albanese, Hence + Co.

Maybe a good sign, if Jon Gold realized that there were indeed some diversions, but not provoked by me.
The meme "LIHOP leads to MIHOP" is still the most deceptive meme pushed by ignorants.

Better don't burn your finger with accusations on me like that ; -)

The meme "LIHOP leads to

The meme "LIHOP leads to MIHOP" is still the most deceptive meme pushed by ignorants...

Submitted by ewing2001 on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 9:22pm.
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Thank you Nico.

When Nico denies something it only confirms the veracity of the statement.

oh yeah? tell that the

oh yeah?

tell that the people from:

ActForLove
AFL-CIO Weblog
AmericaBlog
Atrios
Bartcop
Billionaires for Bush
BradBlog
Brainshrub
BrownBagBlog
Buzzflash
Com•Log•ic
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Crooks and Liars
Daily Kos
Daou Report
DCCC
Delilah Boyd
Democracy for America
DemocraticUnderground.com
Democrats.com
Digby
DNC
DSCC
DubyaD40
Evil GOP Bastards
Firedoglake
Hated
Huffington Post
Hughes for America
Media Matters for America
MoveOn.org
MyDD
Oliver Willis
Raw Story
Smudge Report
Take Back The Media
Talking Points Memo
Think Progress
Truthout

I don't see mainstream LIHOP

I don't see mainstream LIHOP anywhere in that rant...

LIHOP will get you as far as

LIHOP will get you as far as plausible deniability and incompetence.

Nico

Nothing in your post refutes what I said. You came up with the terms, the terms are stupid, facts are facts. Don't even bother with the "hasn't been around long enough" crap. I co-founded the first 9/11 truth group in this country and I've kept an eye on your output since late 2001. You used to do some good stuff, man.

Too bad.

likewise the term 'inside

likewise the term 'inside job' turns off a lot of possibly interested people.. the term infers that our government and our government alone was entirely behind the events of 9/11, and because of that it is instantly deemed crazy by some..

While I agree that the term

While I agree that the term "Inside job" does turn some people off, I think the remedy to that is to make it so that it doesn't turn people off, not to avoid it. After all, it's completely accurate. To avoid the term seems awfully similar to Matt Taibbi's reason for avoiding 9/11 Truth: "it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration." As if they need an excuse to marginalize us!

People may infer from "inside job" that our government alone was entirely behind 9/11, but the term does not imply that. When police or investigators say a bank robbery is an inside job (which I believe is usually their first suspicion in the investigation) it does not mean that the CEO and/or board of directors planned and executed the operation, although it certainly could mean that. More likely, however, it means that someone or some group in security pulled it off or assisted outside perpetrators.

Here are a couple of definitions turned up by Google define:

"some transgression committed with the assistance of someone trusted by the victim"

"The term inside job colloquially refers to a crime, usually larceny, committed by a person with a position of trust who is authorized to access a location or procedure with little or no supervision, e.g., a key employee or manager. The perpetrator can also be a former employee who still has specialized knowledge necessary to ensure the optimum result of committing the crime."

If those don't describe 9/11 I don't know what does. But like I said, I do agree that the term can turn people off. So let's change that! Here's a T-shirt, bumper sticker, freeway blog, poster or flyer idea:

IT'S OKAY
TO SAY
9/11 WAS AN
INSIDE JOB

From my experience and what I have read from others on this site, we continue to be surprised by how many people out there are already on board with 9/11 truth. Let's make it easier for all of us to come out of the closet.

to me, the only people that

to me, the only people that take issue with the terms LIHOP and MIHOP are the ones that seem to be LIHOP themselves. its pretty obvious, based on all the evidence, that they did more than just let it happen. why isnt this consensus by now?

Did you read?

Other people research differently, and other people require different amounts of information. They get to a certain point in their research where they've been convinced, and make a decision that the truth must be told. For some, it's a different point than others. For others, they have to know everything.

And... what part of...

Most people don't realize that if elements of our Government lifted a finger, a FINGER to help with the success of the attacks, they MADE it happen.

That INCLUDES making a conscious decision to do... absolutely... NOTHING.

Don't you understand?

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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

yes, do you understand that

yes, do you understand that LIHOP is the last refuge of the guilty? LIHOP stops at the White House and goes no further. i would love to see Bush/Cheney/Myers/Rummy fry, but LIHOP doesnt get at those that pull their strings. gettting the Cheney cabal is not enough. getting at just Pakistan is not enough. Saudi Arabia and Israel must be held accountable. businesses like CDI and Boeing need to be held accountable. when the shit hits the fan, what do you think the excuse is going to be? that they simply let it happen on purpose for geostrategic gains. sorry, but Cheney didnt plant the explosives in WTC7. niether did Pakistan. dont you understand?

Don't you understand...

That the only way we're going to get to a point where everyone is held accountable is if we stand together as a movement?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

im just wondering,but did

im just wondering,but did you make this blog because you yourself have been called LIHOP? if LIHOP leads to MIHOP like you say, why would that offend you?

Seeing as how...

I have said on several occasions that "elements of our Government were complicit in the attacks", and as a matter of fact, asked Ray McGovern and Scott Ritter about those very circumstances, and it's on video for everyone to see, I thjnk it's safe to say I'm not offended by my beliefs.

The point of this blog is to say that both LIHOP and MIHOP are one and the same. Or at the very least, should be able to co-exist within the same movement.

The labels themselves are divisive. That is the point of this blog.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

i have no problem standing

i have no problem standing shoulder to shoulder with people who think they simply let it happen and didnt take an acitve role. i disagree with them, but at least they are on the right track. i disagree when you say LIHOP and MIHOP are one in the same, and this is why the labels are useful in seeing where others stand. see Real Truthers post below for a far better articulation. i dont question where you specifically stand, ive seen your work. and even if you were in the school of LIHOP, i wouldnt hold it against you or anyone else that feels that way. i would just disagree. LIHOP and MIHOP are one in the same in the sense that they both are horrendous crimes. i just hope that when the shit really does hit the fan, the real perps wont be able to propagate the muslim hijacker(im not saying there were no hijackers, im just saying that they were not the driving force behind 9/11) myth, thereby justifying the fraudulent "war on terror".

if you seek the truth...

We do, however, have to have a common goal, and that has ALWAYS been absolute truth, and absolute accountability. No matter where it leads.

great, glad to hear it! but if you seek absolute truth, one would think you'd also want to clearly differentiate between LIHOP and MIHOP. while they are not mutally exclusive, MIHOP is far more than simply a subset of LIHOP.

Most people don't realize that if elements of our Government lifted a finger, a FINGER to help with the success of the attacks, they MADE it happen.

i don't think too many courts of law are going to see if that way. LIHOP stops at plausible deniability and incompetence. any LIHOP can be played down as pure gov't incompetence. besides, lifting a finger to help with the attacks sounds more like MIHOP to me.

but i'm glad to hear you're after the absolute truth, no matter where it leads ;-)

Anyone...

Ever see a 9/11 lecturer ask the question...

Who believes the official version... who thinks they let it happen... who thinks they made it happen?

Does that lecturer ever say... "Ok, those of you who believe the official version, and those of you who think they let it happen... get the hell out of here. You're not wanted...?"

Of course not.

However, that's how it's perceived on the internet.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

LIHOP=Murderous Arab Muslims

And MIHOP=Murderous Zionist Landlord

I think the difference is clear. And really, given that the towers were demolished by bombs, not the planes, what does LIHOP dangerously come close to suggesting? That Bush let the evil Arab Muslim terrorists rig poor Larry Silverstein's buildings with explosives. Makes no sense, but a lot of people desperately want to cling to the notion that only evil Arab Muslims go around blowing up innocent people. LIHOP allows for that, true MIHOP makes us face the ugly but ultimately necessary and healing truth.

Arab Muslims were framed on 9/11. That is the worst crime commited that day since it enabled wars that have led to as many Americans being killed as on 9/11, plus the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the Middle East. Let alone the unquantifiable damages suffered by Arabs and Muslims everywhere unjustly tainted by association with fictional hijackings.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

No I shouldn't.

His "research" has been debunked over and over again. He incessantly attacks other members of this movement. In regards to Nico, I don't have to do a damn thing.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

"having patience with other people around you"

Does not include individuals who promote disinformation, write divisive articles about the movement, and attack pieces about certain people within the movement. Sorry.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."