Pakistan and the ISI - The Last Red Herring!
As we get closer to the red hot molten core of real 9/11 truth, the conspirators have pulled out their last red herring - Pakistan.
No doubt Pakistan aided the conspiracy. We know Mahmoud Ahmad of the ISI wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, who we also know was set up in many other ways as a red herring. The Koran with the flight manuals and list of hijackers found in his car at Logan airport, though he flew in that morning from Maine, etc. In other words, Pakistan's role, specifically the ISI's role, that is, was to help create the illusion that in fact Islamic extremists were the perpetrators of 9/11. The Pakistani connection is the linchpin in the (false) LIHOP scenario (they Let It Happen On Purpose) which of course serves to preserve, in the face of skepticism about the Bush administration's complicity, the notion that Islamofascism is the menace we've been told it is. By discrediting Bush in a LIHOP scenario, the conspirators are able to prepare backstage for their new front, the Democrat opposition, led by Hillary Clinton and the "rising star" Barack Obama. This pair, it is assumed by the conspirators, will handily win in 2008 on a wave of false progressivism and, if necessary, vote fraud--this time blue instead of red. A perusal of the Daily Kos diaries confirms that the same phenomenon observed here on 911blogger of blaming Pakistan, setting them up for a LIHOP exposé, is at work on a site that has long been opposed to real 9/11 truth. The coincidence should be alarming, given Kos' track record on 9/11 truth (he has banned any discussion of "al Qaeda" not being responsible.)
What is becoming more and more clear is that as we get closer to the truth, the conspirators are getting nervous. This is not surprising and we should expect that the propaganda campaign will go into full gear as the masses awaken to the issues. The more people become aware, the higher quality propaganda must be employed. The best the conspirators have is the ridiculous idea that Pakistan decided to help al Qaeda attack the U.S. I'm sure we'll be hearing more about their motives from the shills soon. For the time being, I'll assume I'm right and that Pakistan is the last possible distraction available. What does this imply? Pakistan is India's mortal enemy. It was an Indian paper that revealed the ISI connection to the fake terrorist Atta. Israel's Mossad on the other hand is known to have told their arresting officer in New York that "the Palestinians are your problem."
Since we know nothing that connects Pakistan or the Palestinians to the controlled demolition of the WTC, but we know that India and Israel both have blamed other nations, and that Larry Silverstein, who surely knew the buildings he purchased were going to be demolished, also had close connections to Israel's defense minister Benjamin Netanyahu, it would seem that an Israel/India connection is possible. Ceratinly elements in the U.S. government share the blame, perhaps most of it, for ultimately giving the 9/11 fraud official sanction, without which it would have failed much sooner than now. But these are traitors, and traitors are usually loyal to either another country or to private network of co-conspirators. The American traitors had accomplices. Those accomplices must not be harbored or sheltered by any nation, since we made clear that there is no difference between the terrorists and those who harbor them.
Mohammed Atta may have received $100,000 from the ISI, but he did not fly a plane into the WTC. Once this myth falls apart because of the obvious fact that the planes did not bring down the towers, we will have the criminals cornered in broad daylight. Truthers--ignore this red herring. We all entered this struggle to win truth for the victims and for our children. Pakistan is a sideshow at best in this carnival of lies. Under the big tent is the truth--let's all storm it together, and NOW.
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thank you for this blog, i
thank you for this blog, i agree %100.
thanks chris!
I'll just add that I've been making more and more frequent contacts lately with new truthers--people just finding out that we are in fact beginning to outnumber official theory fanatics. These are clearly folks who have been disappointed by the failure of the fake left and after some reflection have realized that we truthers have been right all along--YES, this administration is capable of attacking its own people, and to pretend they're not because people like Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky and Daily Kos will accuse them of being tinfoil hatters and of hurting the Democrats (as if the Democrats were worthy of defending) makes about as much sense as building 7 collapsing just because...
It's gotten to the point where I can't ride the bus or the train without at least one person asking me for a DVD (I advertise it 24/7 on my person, let's just say...) People have confessed to me that they have thought it was all fishy from day one, but had no clue what to do about it. It makes perfect sense, and we sometimes forget this as hard core truthers, that some people, while totally sympathetic, have escaped notice of our movement given the media blackout. Our current surge, though, is a sign that we have broken through the media blackout that kept OK City a secret until now. Ironically I think more people are aware that 9/11 was an iside job than know that there were professional explosive devices set in the AP Murrah building ten years ago. The internet has made all the difference, of course.
The conversations I have are with old white women, young black men, asian yuppies, teenage girls, college kids, dads, moms, republicans, democrats, you name it. A democrat city councilwoman took a DVD yesterday and informed me that she was trying to find a movie that could be shown at a progressive film night. A sign holder for a mainstream Dem candidate for governor told me he knew the truth and thanked me for having the courage to be out spreading it.
At the same time the official theroy zombies are losing their cool--they can see the writing on the wall. There are those who know nothing and honestly believe the OT. One of those spit at my feet the other morning in the subway station. He was not a drunk, and we were both dressed for work--it was so surreal and out of place that I think the message it sent to the people on the crowded platform was intense, and more than likely not helpful to the OT. The shills who know well what the truth is and whose job it is to try to make us look bad in front of interested passersby are finding it very difficult to make us look like anything other than very concerned and well-informed citizens. They fall back eventually on one point or another that they claim to "have us on" but the increasing numbers of spectators to these debates always hang around until those people leave, and confess to being surprised at how strong our case is and how many questions the shills are unable to address credibly.
I have hoped for a while (maybe beyond hope) that as the truth becomes ever more clear, more people will see how important it is that this issue be joined by all of us so that we are united by a desire for justice and not along the usual partisan lines, or along even more dangerous lines of socioeconomic status and/or race and religion. Things could easily get ugly if responsible people do not step up to ensure that our movement remains both legitimate and sensitive to our diverse population in America. As I was concerned for Muslim and Arab Americans when it was believed that bin Laden was responsible, I am now increasingly concerned about the potential backlash, clearly unwarranted, against Jewish Americans. It doesn't help that Zionists seem to want to completely deny any Israeli involvement to the bitter end. This puts American Jews in the unfair position of being lied to by those they may trust, into believing that 9/11 Truth is about anti-semitism and Jewish conspiracies. I am ever thankful for the many courageous Jewish truthers who are not afraid to stand up to Zionist pressure in order to hold Israel's government as accountable as America's for what is becoming clear was an effort condoned by elements of both those countries, as well as a few others like Pakistan and India, to some degree or another.
The bottom line is corruption. The motive is money and power. The means employed by these criminals include infiltration, deception, and yes, murder. These international criminals believe that they are above the law, they believe they are the law. All people of good faith, of all faiths, and in all countries must, if we are to survive as a species, unite to put an end to this rampant criminality. We have no choice but to unite and save each other, or die divided.
Onward Truthers, we have won--and the hard part starts now--building that better world we want for everyone.
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You're an inspiration, man
"It's gotten to the point where I can't ride the bus or the train without at least one person asking me for a DVD (I advertise it 24/7 on my person, let's just say...)"
Kudos^2. How do you advertise it?
All the media coverage we've gotten, as well as the stuff you've brought up, clearly indicate that they're aiming for limited hangout now. They can no longer contain our voice, so they gotta make amends. Bet they're really regretting WTC7, which seemingly fell for reasons of greed alone. It makes LIHOP an impossibility.
I'm think I'm not being pessimistic, but we haven't won yet. Before we can start working on a better world, we have to root out the hydra of corruption. They will put up a fight.
thanks bruce...
I'm sorry, I made it sound like I have a 9/11 truth tattoo, which I've considered but have not done. I actually carry a big sign everywhere I go (mainly to and from work) in addition to the sign I stick to my bag (updated to emphasize whatever seems most important , or resonating the most.) It's all about drawing attention to oneself and one's message, as hard as it is to get over the original inhibition of being a walking billboard, I figure I reach as many people as a bunch of ads would. For every one asshole who spits at me (figuratively or literally as in the one recent case) I have a great conversation with 10 other people. We should remember that we're not out there to preach, but also to learn from like-0minded folks, and grow as activists and citizens and people. It's actually pretty humbling to witness the profound changes happening around us. I know I'm only one out of thousands of people doing what we do, and that I could never have done this by myself. And you're right, we have a ways to go, but I do think that we passed critical mass a while ago, and everything should be easier from here on out, even if it's at the same time more dangerous. Believe me though, amazing things are happening that we can't always see, and for once it is the right things for the right reasons. We're going to grow as a people and a world because of this, and yes, history will remember us as the good guys. I, for one, have discovered meaning in life that I couldn't have conceived of before going through this struggle. A lot of us remember how it was before Loose Change and Steve Jones really got things cooking--it wasn't fun when even our friends and family thought we were batty. But we made it, all of us. And we have great victories ahead, if we stay strong and true to our cause. I wish everyone the best, thanks for all that you've done, and keep on fighting, and doing the right thing! Finally, as much as some people piss us off, let's try to remember that we do this to end hate, not perpetuate it.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
You're very welcome
It takes balls to do what you do, and people will realize that. It also effectively nullifies the distorted picture of truthers that's being painted, and it demonstrates that it's indeed possible to stand up and voice dissent. I'm pretty sure there are quite many closet-truthers (the 1/3 in the polls certainly are not all active) and it will get to them, as well as others. So yea, I can not stress enough that I totally appreciate what you do.
Submission and passivity run deep in today's society, people believe they're powerless and insignificant, and so they are. They need to overcome this condition(ing), and only then will we be able to effect the much needed profound changes.
Still, the time's not ripe for optimism bordering on arrogance (I don't mean to offend and arrogance is probably too strong a word), it never is - we have not prevailed yet. Thinking we have will make us careless and lay the grounds for failure - more than widespread awareness, it will take bravery, organization and sacrifices (I don't mean death here...) on the part of many before we can claim triumph. Also, Rove promised his ominous October Surprise, so let's be wary.
But overall, I think there is reason to be optimistic. Let's roll.
That means...
9/11: Press For Truth is a worthless piece of crap movie, and all of MIchel Chussodovsky, Paul Thompson's work, etc... is meaningless.
I don't buy it. Not at all.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
You can....
Drive the ISI connection DIRECTLY to the White House. What more do you want?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Pakistan did not rig the WTC with explosives.
And where is the Silverstein connection to Pakistan. You KNOW what I want. I want people to be honest about ISRAEL's role in all of this. Not because I feel they are more responsible than anyone else but because CLEARLY there is much more reluctance to discuss their involvement than there is with any other country. That's dangerous, because it feeds suspicion and accusations on both sides--those who say it points to a Jewish conspiracy to hide the truth, and those who point to those people to show that 9/11 truth is infested with bigots. This is just more of the same divide and conquer, and its fed by double standards. The fact that Kos is allowing all kinds of Pakistan LIHOP scenarios but prohibiting MIHOP diaries is VERY suspicious, sorry.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
The ENTIRE...
Israeli argument is speculatve.
It certainly makes sense, and I've made that argument on SEVERAL occasions.
There is NO denying that the Israeli Government, through AIPAC, and other means, is EXTREMELY influential regarding American policy.
There is NO denying that the Israeli Government is run by extremists just like our Government.
There is no arguing that part of the reason we are in the Middle East is for the protection of Israel.
However, there isn't nearly as much information tying Israel to the attacks as there is Pakistan.
It's the easier of the two roads to take. They all lead to the same place though, and maybe when we get there, we'll see who pulls the strings.
To call Pakistan's involvement in 9/11 a "red herring" is irresponsible and divisive.
That's my opinion.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
I mean...
Here's what you throw away when you do this.
Bill Doyle's revelation that the 28 redacted pages within the Joint Congressional Inquiry talked about the U.S. funneling money to Pakistan.
Lee Hamilton's refusal to address Kyle Hence's confrontation.
Thomas Kean's denial of knowledge of the Pakistani Wire Transfer when Alex Jones' team confronted him.
The allegations of bribery that appear to be true because no mention of Pakistan's involvement was mentioned in the 9/11 Report.
The known ties between the CIA and the ISI.
The fact that the financier of 9/11 was meeting with top D.C. officials in the weeks prior to, and the week of 9/11...
There's a lot more, but you get the idea. I don't buy it.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
What part of any of that links them to the WTC demolition?
Really Jon, I respect your right to have an opinion on this, but I really can't see where you get the idea that Pakistan's ISI, by wiring money to a man who cannot be connected to 9/11 by any hard evidence, is somehow a bigger suspect than Israel, whose Mossad was IN NEW YORK FILMING THE BURNING TOWERS AND BLAMING PALESTINIANS.
I can't be the only one who thinks this is fishy. Again I ask a simple question--what links Pakistan to anything other than the so-called hijackers for whom no evidence exists of their having hijacked any planes? Surely you don't expect me to believe that "cockpit voice recordings" are any more credible than "bin Laden audiotapes?"
I welcome a debate on this subject!
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
No thanks...
I stay away from the "Surely you don't expect me to believe that "cockpit voice recordings" are any more credible than "bin Laden audiotapes?" arguments.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Sorry? What do you mean??
"9/11: Press For Truth is a worthless piece of crap movie, and all of MIchel Chussodovsky, Paul Thompson's work, etc... is meaningless. -- I don't buy it. Not at all."
What do you mean? I don't understand you. You're talking in riddles. Care to elaborate?
If Pakistan's
Connection is a "red herring", then 9/11: Press For Truth, which focuses a lot on the Pakistani Connection, is a piece of crap movie.
Michel and Paul have both been in the forefront regarding information about Pakistan and 9/11.
If it's a "red herring" then that means a lot of their work is worthless...
I don't buy it.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
And...
Some of my own work as well. I don't buy it.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Jon, look up what I wrote about Press for Truth
This is a powerful documentary that hints at the whole truth. The Pakistani connection is covered in detail, but we cannot ignore the role of intelligence agencies besides the ISI. While Pakistan certainly (and rather too blatantly) provided support to the team of "hijackers", the true question that lies just beyond the scope of this film is whether or not those "hijackers" really did what they are purported to have done. Because it is beyond question that WTC building 7 and the twin towers were brought down with explosives after the plane crashes, the whole story must include an account of who set the explosives. The presence of an extensive Israeli spy ring operating in the U.S. up to and on the morning of 9/11 (google the "dancing Israelis")including explosives and surveillance experts, it would seem that America has not one, but two so-called allies that have colluded with the thieves of the 2000 election to murder Americans and frame Arab Muslims for the crime.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
You stated...
Mohammed Atta may have received $100,000 from the ISI, but he did not fly a plane into the WTC.
Would you say he was not on the plane?
Atta was not on the plane. Or if he was...
he had no intention to crash it into a building and kill himself.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
What do you propose then...
happened to him?
If you are going to ridicule documented evidence as a "red herring", please be willing to provide evidence to support your speculation.
"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."
What happened to Atta is not my concern...
since I've seen no evidence other than a shoddy set-up of planted evidence to suggest that he actually hijacked an airplane. Where is your evidence that he was on any flight? Where is the video fo him checking in? Where is his name on the flight manifest? I suppose you think his passport being found in the streets of New York is proof? Give me a break!
There is an elephant in your house, DHS. No really there is. What? You say there isn't? OK, then, smart guy, WHERE IS MY ELEPHANT? Simple as that.
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"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."
Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers
Neither of us have proof because we can't access the evidence
so why should we speculate?
"There's a shadow on the faces of the men who send the guns to the wars that are fought in places where their business interest runs."