Mike Berger and Matthew Rothschild Debate - MP3 Download

911truth.org has updated their site with downloads of yesterday's debate between Mike Berger and Matthew Rothschild. I caught the last half of the show and it is definately worth the listen.

You can find the MP3s here:
Breaking News: Mike Berger/Matthew Rothschild Debate - 911truth.org

Thanks MediaPuppet for the heads up!

very impressive

The country needs more of this. TV sure to follow.

Berger is one of the best...

...in the movement with regards to dealing with the media. I hope he does more and more of this.

Granted, this was a very sympathetic host and evenhanded format...but he did an equally great job when he was on cable news (I forget which show) and the host was hostile.

Very good debate, thank you

Very good debate, thank you for the link and the constant updates.

I am looking for a good, well documented, sourced, site detailing the many lies and inconsistencies in witness testimony and other facts regarding 9-11.
Example: the Norman Mineta testimony contrdicting the 9-11 commision report.

If anyone knows of such a place, please reply.

Also, I am looking for a 9-11 forum that is very active and free from retards =) well... mostly free anyway.


i would suggest griffin's

i would suggest griffin's book 'The 9/11 Commission - Omissions and Distortions'.. it documents all the ways in which the official story doesn't add up, and how the commission distorted the information, or ignored it altogether..

as for finding a forum that isn't full of retards, good luck with that ;) try yourbbsucks.com

I just called in....

...and told the show's producer the same thing, about David griffin's book. I called from Iowa, he said the phone rang all day yesterday, so good job. I also told him about Aaron Russo's From Freedom to Facism, he said he'd look it up.

Not a website, but...

David Ray Griffin's "The 9/11 Commision Report: Omissions and Distortions" is the definitive work exposing the coverup.

Here it is on Amazon:


Highly recommended.

I like Griffin; however, I

I like Griffin; however, I recently watched a speech he gave where he still claims the hijackers were not on the flight manifests. This is easily disproved by the Zacharias Musawi evidence which lists them on the manifest. Why this has not been addressed is unknown to me. If anyone has more info on this, please reply.

Thanks again! =)

does anyone have the link to

does anyone have the link to the manifests? i know they were posted at: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution...

no clue where though... they were photos of a manifest printouts for every flight, even Hani was listed.

Griffin is great, but..

....he doesn't address the War Games/Drills either...which is a huge and convincing aspect of this for government complicity.

Still, that book is devastating for exposing the Zelikow Commission.

And, his voice/approach is one the very best on 9/11.

How litte Rothschild seems to know....

In listening to the debate I was struck with how little Rothschild actually seemed to know. As well as his continued reliance upon derision (you theorists are so 'foolish', ya know) and apparent inability to engage in scientific reasoning. I had really thought he would be somewhat more competitive. But he wasn't.

But I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised. I have yet to encounter one '9/11 truth debunker' who can actually argue the data and the science adequately. They are awfully good at ad hominems, at diatribes, at obfuscation and misdirection. And, of course, those are the only tools with which they can work.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- President Franklin D. Roosevelt

can you change the font on

can you change the font on your FDR qoute? it makes every comment that comes after it small,red and tough to read. thanks.

i modified it for him.. it

i modified it for him.. it wasn't causing those issues on my end, im guessing your using a different theme tho..

feel free to contact me in the future if you notice things like this!

looks like he changed it

looks like he changed it again..

hey medicis, if you see this.. the problem is that your signature is too long, so it is getting the end of it chopped off. your last one had the closing font tag cut off of it because of this.. try editing it in non-rich text mode too.

its no big deal, it only

its no big deal, it only happens when the qoute is in italics i think.

mea culpa

Actually guys, I remembered (from my drunken stupor the other night ;) ) but only right after I hit the submit key. So 'I' went and changed it. Sorry.

no biggie. great qoute by

no biggie. great qoute by the way! i didnt mean for you to take it down.


There. At least this one fits.

"Oh the hell with it."

Clearly I have a lot to learn

about formatting etc., on these posts. I have put the quote below. I think it is one that will particularly germane for our future here in the increasinly fascist USA....

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the down-stairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of a half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur - what if it had been driven off of or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt.

If .... if... We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! . . We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

you see, that kind of quote

you see, that kind of quote is WAAAAAAAAAAAY too long for a signature ;)


classic passage

What's the source?

Whats the source for that passage? With the recent passage of the.... "Its Okay to arrest, torture, and hide anyone the President or authorities wants bill." We should all be thinking about this. We just took a huge further step towards the fascism we have all been warning about. A new terror attack and the law of the land  now allows the mass  arrests of dissidents without recourse to the courts. It is a sad day for America.

Mike Berger was very good but I think he can still do better.

I think Mike Berger did an excellent job. I

For the first hour I think Mike could of improved by mentioning some of the following. The following could be explained in one or two sentences. Don't get me wrong he did a very good job but maybe he could even make his speaking better.
1. that Silverstein said to pull it.
2. that Bush's brother was a director in securacom that was head of security for the WTC 1 and 2, Dulles Airport. That another Bush relative (.. Walker) was the CEO of this company now called stratecom.
3. that September 10th Rumsfield said 2.3 Trillion dollars was unaccounted for at the Pentagon. ( I heard something else earlier but have not confirmed it that the place where the object hit the pentagon was a place they were doing the auditing on that lost 2.3 trillion dollars. I have not confirmed this though. Was it a warning to people auditing the pentagon ??)
4. that Guiliani knew before hand that WTC 1 and 2 were going to collapse. (This is taped by the media).
5. That explosions were heard in the WTC 1 and 2 buildings. William Rodriguez and many others.
6. That Able Danger had warned the powers to be about Atta before 911. But was stifled in its blowing the alarm.
7. that the anthrax threat was directly given to Daschle and Leahy. And that these two men could of stopped the patriot act from passing. And that the FBI has never following up on this, even though there is very good evidence that it was a specific person who was a racist against Arabs.
8. That WTC 1 and 2 were going to cost enormous amounts of money to take care of the asbestos in them.
9. That Colonel Mahmood Ahmed was visiting Bush and other high officials in Washington on September 10th and that he belongs to the ISI and that he gave money to give to Mohammad Atta. This is a well known fact.
10. That Bush when he was in Air Force after it took off from Sarasota Florida on 911 was threatened by someone who knew the secret codes. This could not have been the hijackers. Only people in the know, inside, could know these codes.
11. The 911 COmmisions omit building 7. Omits Able Danger. Omits ....
12. The enormous cover up during the 911 Commission. And why did it take 411 days to get an investigation going into 911 when even the JFK investigation took only about 2 weeks to begin.
13. Why only 3.'000,000 USD was given to the commission to investigate when Clinton's impeachment investigation cost 40.000.000 USD.
Finally the total amount was 15,000,000. A beyond ridiculously low amount.
14. Also, to talking about the money trail. Who profited from 911. Did the arabs. DId the Military, did Bush. He could also talk about who had the means.

These are only a few of the smoking guns. I only listed ones I could think of that Mike Berger did not mention.
Each of us should carry around a piece of paper of all these and all the other smoking guns of 911 in our wallets. And then when we parry with someone we can pull it out and point out each and everyone of these points. These would disarm anyone who is half way open to the truth. Even it would be nice if 911 blogger had a smoking gun list that we could print out and carry around with us. Maybe we could keep the list at 30 or less. These would just be reminders. And they would be helpful because sometimes its just hard to remember them all in the heat of battle or in the coolness of discussion.

And this Matthew Rotschild guy could believe that the Pentagon FBI and FAA might have been involved, he would not be surprised, but definitely Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield were not. This defies reasoning. If trillions of dollars are at stake, if world rule is at stake why couldnt the Administration of Bush , Ch, Rums... be involved.

Hey Sean Hannity...

Instead of interviewing Jim Fetzer, and ONLY Jim Fetzer, why not have Michael Berger on?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

911truth.org isn't working

911truth.org isn't working for me, where else can i get the mp3s??

What do you expect from a Guy with the last name Rothchild?

That should ring a few bells... I have to register to this blog soon. I really like the info here.

I've read most of Chomsky's

I've read most of Chomsky's books and he was my hero for years, as he opened my eyes to the media-suppressed crimes of the US and Israel, and the propaganda role of the mass media in general. But I was always puzzled as to why he, and others of the leftist intelligencia, always seemed to support the establishment on issues like the JFK assassination, 9-11, and a few other very powerful, explosive suppressed stories.

Various conspiracy theorists that I've read over the years have said that Chomsky, Cockburn, Corn, Rothschild, et al really functioned as "the establishment's last line of defense."

I don't know if she is still the publisher of The Nation, but Katrina Vanden Heuvel was/is a member of David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations, key players in the Global Power Elite. Knowing that, how can any leftist accept anything that's written in such a journal as anything but propaganda?

Perhaps others among them are also members of CFR...hard to say, as CFR won't release their membership roster.

We know that the Power Elite run the mass media, with the goal of keeping the common people brainwashed and compliant. But now I think it's clear that the elite also run a program to control the thoughts of the more intelligent, thinking people who won't accept the pap that CNN spouts. These people, or at least the leftists among them, need to have their thoughts controlled as well, but they need more reality in order to make the propaganda persuasive.

So they are told the truth about what US power does in the world. Hence Chomsky et al's many fine exposes of US evildoing. But when it comes to the really explosive truths, they revert to being mainstream mass media disinformationists, ignoring all evidence and using ad hominem attacks to
keep the leftists in line.

The intent is to keep these more intelligent citizens simmering with anger, but to make sure that it doesn't boil over into revolution.

Hence the really explosive truths about issues like 9-11, the JFK assassination, and one most of you probably don't know about, the HIV-AIDS Fraud are covered up by the Far Leftist Opinion Leaders, and they attempt to censor, demonize, and marginalize those who try to expose the truth.

That's because these particular issues, if the truth were revealed, would create so much intense rage among so many people, including among the masses, that they might make the simmering pot boil over into world revolution.

So that's why I suspect that these Leftist Gate Keepers -- Chomsky, Albert, Corn, Cockburn, Berlet, Rothschild, In These Times, Alternet, Z Magazine, The Progressive, The Nation, Counterpunch and even Pacifica, which was taken over by the Power Elite a few years ago, are really working for the intelligence agencies by setting the parameters of acceptable debate among leftists.

Phony Left Media

Here's a chart explaining the funding for some leftist media.

nice to see a 'sports' radio

nice to see a 'sports' radio show get involved on pertinent issues.

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Reply to a Reply to a Reply to the "Progressive"
guardians of the Bush Regime (AKA Left Gate-keepers)

[[[[[ Below is an open-letter response by a responder
re a response to a frantic hit piece against 911 truth
seekers, in CounterPunch/Nation magazine -- the
propaganda organ of America's Dictatorship of The Very
Very Hip.]]]]]

From: "ann archy"

Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:15:49 -0400

wowie zowie !

thanks, kampers, for the many kind words of
support/solidarity you provided concerning my
UNANTICIPATED 'publication' in counterpunch of
a PRIVATE email sent to a third party ! ! ! how
....... rude is that?

(almost as rude as me,
hee hee hee
ho ho ho
ha ha ha
ak ak ak )

if i had known i was destined to play a punching bag
in alex's little playpen, i CERTAINLY would have been
a little less profane (not that i feel it isn't
deserved), and a little more 'fact-based', rather than
just hitting back (um, counterpunching?) the low blows
of their dismissive attitudes...

i guess one of the things that makes me the maddest,
is that putatively skeptical and suspicious
progressives who should analyze/question EVERYTHING,
EVERY gummint EVER says/claims, are
laying down like lambs concerning nine one one...

ain't it just weird (they tell themselves?):
EVERYTHING king george ii and kourt said about nine
one one just *happened* to be the ONLIEST thing they
ever told us the twoof about... how odd is that...

the dismissive, superior attitude of whats-her-name,
cockburn, rothschild, and a couple morons on alternet,
is the antithesis of whata 'good' progressive should
take: they don't KNOW a god damn thing themselves
-except what they've been told by 'authority',
stakeholders, and twue bewievers- but they can say
everyone else is
wrong with absolute certainty... sounds like a twue
bwue reich-winger to me !

ASSUMING it metaphysically *WAS* an 'inside job',
SHOULDN'T EVERY GOOD amerikan who realizes that be
absolutely horrified, and to the point of pitchforks
and torches in the streets ? ? ?

evidently not, according to the ultra-cynical, the
tres-kool, the oh-so-bored-by-it-all mr cockburn, who
evidently only gets worked up when someone threatens a
remote creek/fishing hole that only he and a handful
of fellow-travelers will ever see...

thanks again, kampers; sorry for performing a small
-if unwitting - part in portraying nine one one
skeptics as unhinged nutjobs; but the fact is i *am*
RIGHTEOUSLY unhinged over nine one one, because i *DO*
think it was brought about by these evil, evil men for
their greedy, arrogant, horrible purposes, and we are
living the nascent nightmare as a result...

later, keep on speaking truth to power; even idjit
lefty 'power' brokers... thanks again...

ps sorry for the 'form' reply to everyone, i was
surprised by the number of people who bothered to
respond; and that the overwhelming majority were in
sympathy with the views i expressed, however
profanely... (again, i had NO INTENTION of this being
a published email; i would have written differently
had i known i would have an audience...)

art guerrilla
aka ann archy


Air America Radio

Please, if you think Air America Radio is here to wake us; you sir, or madam - are as misguided as those who believe that Rush Limpbutt is here to wake us. AAR just recently fired the only radio personality with the balls to speak truth to power. Beyond Mike Malloy, along with his wife/producer/co-host, NO!ONE is talking about 911 truth on AAR; other than to parrot twisted versions of (terror! terror! OMG! terror!) "official" story. SO!PLEASE, who ever you are, give it a rest - as we are no longer buying it. The price we are being ask to pay - is just to - damned - high.....

by hccllc (0 articles, 2 comments) on Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 9:54:54 AM
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Not sure why a poster commented on the "no plane" theory

Not sure why a poster commented on the "no plane" theory. This article was not about the "no plane" theory.

The information we know about a military stand down on 9/11 coupled with the physics of the collapse of the 3 steel skyscrapers on 9/11 being a controlled demolition, is proof enough of insider complicity by elements of our govt.

by BillDouglas (10 articles, 4 comments) on Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 2:07:44 PM
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"no plane theory" strawman needs to be unstuffed

Not sure what comment(s) you're referring to, but:

I think people should take every opportunity to explain that the "no plane" theories in all their permutations have been thoroughly debunked. They still occur in Loose Change and Dr. Griffin's first book, etc. Now that virtually all 911 truth people agree that such no-plane theories were hasty (and/or put forward by disinfomeisters), we must take pains to tell new people not to judge the solid overall theory by it's weakest, outdated, links.

by Myra (0 articles, 6 comments) on Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 2:33:17 PM
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Please Calm Down about Air America Radio

Please pay attention to some important facts before you yell fire in a crowded police state:

Randi Rhodes often talks about 9/11 and has promoted and interviewed solid 911 truth people; Thom Hartmann has done similarly, though not as often. Thom's regular substitute, Peter B. Collins in San Francisco, is very up front about it. "Lionel" in NYC (carried on Seattle's Air America)Is very with it on 9/11. I can't get Sam Seder's show often, so I don't know about him. Yes: Al Franken and "Big Eddy" are disgustingly cowardly on 911 truth. So you want to throw out the rapidly growing Air America baby because Al & Eddy, etc. keep peeing in the bath water?

Myra M. Jackson

by Myra (0 articles, 6 comments) on Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 2:12:41 PM
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Methinks Myra smells more of mirer.

The above article is a good expose of the sham surrounding the 9-11 and other homegrown scams. What it specifically does not need is the distraction of any psychedelic paean masquerading as a self-obsessed catharsis over the virtues of any radio station. Trail-draggers or red-herringers not required on any trip.

So pipe down, Mirer. It is the author's floor, not yours, and not yours to bemire. O.K?

by amazin (0 articles, 128 comments) on Friday, September 29, 2006 at 2:21:35 AM
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No Left Gatekeepers Needed on The Internet

Any forum is mine if I make it mine, in spite of the wishes of Left gate-keeper wannabes, trolls, or disinfomeisters.


by Myra (0 articles, 6 comments) on Friday, September 29, 2006 at 1:00:10 PM
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Hmmm--Methinks you may be right amazin.......

by hccllc (0 articles, 3 comments) on Friday, September 29, 2006 at 2:07:30 PM
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Being from Kansas and having written guest columns for
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I often visit the CounterPunch.org site because I
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Why "NOT" to Fight for 9/11 Truth
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"Propaganda is not meant to fool the intelligencia
. . . but to provide them an excuse."
-- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propagandist

Read entire article:


50 Senior Military, Intelligence & Govt. Critics of

Seekers of the truth about 9/11 have been demonized in
the mainstream media as crazy conspiracy theorists and
therefore easily dismissed.

MSM stories about criticism of the 9/11 Commission
Report almost entirely focus on college professors,
and virtually never mention any of the many senior
military, intelligence, and government officials who
have expressed similar views.

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severely critical of the 9/11 Commission Report made
by the 50 senior military, intelligence, and
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I am hopeful this information, compiled in one place
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September 11 Press Release
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[Tennis anyone?]


Have a Nice Deja Vu All Over Again
by Walter Karp




the "no Boeing" theories discredit 9/11 skepticism and
distract from proven evidence of complicity....

the fake debate between no plane and no complicity
gets the Bush regime off the hook

"Sandia test shows what happens in high speed
plane crashes...."


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