Oliver Stone says "conspiracy-mongering on 9/11" a "waste of time"

In case anyone thought maybe someday Stone will realize his mistake with "World Trade Center":


"I think that conspiracy-mongering on 9/11 is a waste of time," he said. "The far greater conspiracy occurred after 9/11 when basically a neo-cabal inside our government hijacked policy and went to war. That was as broad a conspiracy as we can get and it was about 20, 30 people. That's all, they took over and all these books are coming out and they are pointing it out," said Stone.

mineta article updated

some of you may have read my mineta article a few days ago that was posted on 9/11 blogger. i've been adding quite a bit to it, and it's sitting at 25 pages right now, and i'm still working it. but if anyone's interested in checking it out and maybe give me a hand with some of the reseach and ideas, here it is:



Microsoft Word (better formatted)


also, i really need to find a copy of a September 14th, 2002 ABC news article called Moments of Crisis. I need the second part, the pentagon part of it. if anyone knows where i can find it, please let me know, the webarchive doesn't work.

You could try Lexis Nexis

You could try Lexis Nexis ala carte for the ABC news article. You can search for free and I think it's only a few bucks to get the full article if they have it.

Thank god JFK was not about

Thank god JFK was not about the cabal inside our government that took over after JFK was killed....

good point.. apparently he

good point.. apparently he forgot about all that..


Oliver Stone's statements is part of the global corporate elite propaganda intended not to find truth, but to give a comfort zone for the people that don't want the truth. People will rationalize anything when their realities are shattered.

To fight this, we have to pick just one of these globalist propagandist and shatter their credibility until they run out of businness. That will show the rest of these scumbags not to be a tool of the global elite. This is exactly the technique use by the globalist against the truth movement and guess what? it fu#$%^@g works.

Kennedy - Stone

I wonder why Oliver Stone doesn't consider that the people that benefited from the Kennedy's hit, might do other bad things years later? Who took over after Kennedy, what happened after Kennedy, where are they now and what are they doing?. If they killed Kennedy . . . . . . . . . . .

bad movie

I thougth WTC was a dreadful movie; boring as hell

even Flight 93 was more exciting, even though it incorporates some absurd scenes in order to embrace the OT

what a clueless douche.

what a clueless douche.

Stone seems like a huge gatekeeper to me!

IMO, It's clear that Stone is deliberately acting as yet another huge 9/11 gatekeeper!

He's not clueless on this

He's not clueless on this one. I guarantee he knows what's up. He went through hell to get JFK made and he doesn't want to deal with all of the grief again. It's not up to Stone to help our cause. Luckily, there are many others to fill the void. LC FInal Cut better be a homerun.

why do you delete this dz?

i'll say it again i guess. i call bullshit. if Stone knew what was up, why would he go out of his way to call it "conspiracy mongering" and "a waste of time"? Stone gets no respect from me anymore.

JFK still kicks ass though.

JFK still kicks ass though.

why did i delete what? i

why did i delete what? i havent deleted anything today.

dont go waggin fingers at me mr.! :)

haha, maybe it wasnt you,

haha, maybe it wasnt you, but i put a comment up stating how it was bullshit that Stone knows about 9/11 if he is throwing around phrases like "waste of time" and "conspiracy mongering", and it was gone a couple of minutes later. its cool, probably just my computer that messed up. friggin viruses are infecting the hell out of me right now.

Is it a try to settle-down the cas a bit?

It seems so to me - first he made such a boring movie which didn't
ask any questions about 9/11. Now, he is trying to focus people's
anger on Iraq war (which of course should be focused there, too).

Isn't it like saying: How about impeaching Bush and his administration
and NOT having another 9/11 investigation?

And who knows who founded WTC demolition, if so?
Silverstein had his business in it for sure - don't you think that
people like him influence Hollywood directors a lot?

For someone who

has capitalized on conspiracy theories, that is an odd attititude to take. I am getting demoralized to the point of paralysis here.

Do you believe in the truth,

Do you believe in the truth, or do you believe in Oliver Stone?

I believe in the truth,

But I am feeling a bit demoralized here, what with the detainee bill being passed and all. As if I should be surprised. But it is still a heartbreaking blow and I'm down.


i know how you feel. all

i know how you feel. all that talk about McCain and Graham being "rebel republicans" was a sick joke. i knew all along that McCain would cave like the coward he is though. and Graham was a JAG, he should know better too, but of course he caved as well. very depressing day indeed.

Chris: Graham

is my senator, I am sorry to say. And yes, having been a JAG lawyer, he understands full well what he has done and is lying about it as well, trying make people think he "stood up to the president" and they're gonna believe it too because the American public (aside from being rather stupid) was never given an opportunity to understand the implications of this bill nor were they properly informed that all this posturing by Warner, McCain and Graham was all theatre and no substance.

it gets worse.

Torture Bill States Non-Allegiance To Bush Is Terrorism
Legislation tolls the bell for the day America died, birth of the dictatorship

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 29 2006

Buried amongst the untold affronts to the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the very spirit of America, the torture bill contains a definition of "wrongfully aiding the enemy" which labels all American citizens who breach their "allegiance" to President Bush and the actions of his government as terrorists subject to possible arrest, torture and conviction in front of a military tribunal.

Subsection 4(b) (26) of section 950v. of HR 6166 - Crimes triable by military commissions - includes the following definition.

"Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct."
For an individual to hold an allegiance or duty to the United States they need to be a citizen of the United States. Why would a foreign terrorist have any allegiance to the United States to breach in the first place?

Enough for the truth already!

Why keep hammering the truth, when we already won that battle. More than what is neccesary to have a critical mass is on our side, we need to shift from truth seekers to activism and massive mobilizations. You(911 truth) already expose the official story as a fraud, under the current circumstances another investigation will be another whitewash.

Mobilize! Mobilize! Mobilize! The 911 truth movement needs direction with a simple goal for the masses to mobilze. We also need leadership someone like Marthin Luther King. The most important thing is to preach to the poor, they are the ones that are being mostly affected by the social-economic changes, give them hope and they will follow. Link 911 truth with a better future for them. You guys just don't get it, the middle class (including myself) benefit from the current system, it is all tied to a monetary system of control and power, just watch Aaron Russo's film "America from Freedom to Fascism".


I agree Crunchy. We have already reached critical mass. We do need to mobilize that is why I always pass out Russo's movie with Loose Change. When people realize that they are being ripped-off money wise it tends to piss them off more than anything else. Even more than war or being micro-chipped or even being lied to about 9/11. Money talks. As long as the bucks roll in, people don't care about much else. As far as a leader, that is a tough one although I have a feeling someone will appear. Perhaps Russo himself............................Every Dog Has His Day...................

word up

let's roll

tzo: Don't care

about Stone unless I did not make myself clear. No, don't care about what Stone thinks. I care about what he and people like him are saying and how they are saying it only because they can influence the kind of people that I think you thought you were addressing in your reply to me (what I like to call the "swing voter" type). I'm not a "swing voter" type. Just to clarify. :)


mandrake, why dont you

mandrake, why dont you register and login? are you having issues? contact me if you are having any issues!


tzo, having issues. I can log in at home but not at work (where I am coming up as "anon") because I don't know what my password is and it's only linked to my home computer. I had my psw changed a couple of times and thought I knew what it was but when I try to use it on my work computer it doesn't work. So I just gave up.


Just add Ollie to the IRRELEVANT pile and move on!

Lots of people are choosing to throw away their credibility on a bet that without their support we won't succeed in getting the truth out. Sorry, Stone, but you chose... poorly. Oh yeah, so did your namesake, Rolling Stone.

I have two words for everyone in regard to these losers: NEVER FORGET. And never let THEM forget. Pathetic arseholls...

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

Oh YEAH...

Stone is also echoing Chomsky word for word practically. Surprise! Who else depends on mainstream media outlets for their paycheck? Our mistake was to ever believe that someone like Oliver Stone was ever anything more than a maionstream peddler of limited hangout. Nuff said. No more pixels wasted on this joke of a propagandist. At least Michael Moore is bringing up the Pentagon security cameras, even though who knows, they may just be laying the ground for a nice hollywood produced surveillance video showing AA77 in full CGI glory!

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

No dude, Chomsky completely

No dude, Chomsky completely shuns the JFK assassination being anything other then Oswald/Warren Commission. Stone is just appeasing what he thinks is a Left mainstream concusses I’d guess.

I hear you Dem, I meant on 9/11 specifically

Waste of time, go after the real problem, etc. If 9/11 isn't the "real" problem I don't know what is.

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

Damn Good Points, Real Truther!

"...on a bet that without their support we won't succeed in getting the truth out...."

Thanks Anon...

It's kkind of like saying you have to be a structural engineer to understand how building 7 fell, which of course is bullshit. In this case it's suggesting to people that if an "expert" on conspiracy theories like Stone believes the official theory, who are we to question him. problem is, Stone is a has-been. Plus, Americans are tired of being talked down to by the media. By pretending for the last 50 years that Americans are idiots, the media have actually made idiots out of a fair number of people. Those of us who now know how things work are done being told by "talking heads" what to think. In the REAL new world order, we don't have to respect any authority on a subject, we can do the research ourselves. This really worries the elites who want us to depend on them and their bogus infosphere for all our knowledge needs. Basically we truthers are the harbingers of a new kind of world populace, one that is ready to do what the proletariat was never able to (brainwashed as they have been by orthodox leftism which has always been controlled by elites anyway) which is to level the playing field by truly democratizing knowledge and power. These are the last days of the moneyed dinosaurs who have grown too big for their britches. Their order is discredited and disgustingly corrupt. Slowly but surely, we are isolating and surrounding them, but we have to continue to reach out and show our fellow citizens around the world that there is a better way that is not some prepackaged bullshit program of "revolution". It is the way of common sense, good faith, and honesty. F*** the old order, we are the ones who will decide what the world will be from here on out.

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

Well spoken!

There is opportunity in every crisis.

Here is a cute little

Here is a cute little picture we can use.

off topic

Check out this blog on Smirking Chimp, then scroll down to the reaction for Jeff Tiedrich.

It's gone man

what was going on there?

From the man who capitalized on conspiracy theories . . .

Again, inflammatory language directed at truthers. Why "mongering"? Why the antagonistic attitude? What is going on here? Why do they try to shift the debate to what happened AFTER 9/11 as if the two were mutually exclusive?

Wouldn't it make things a whole lot easier on everyone who wants to stop the "speeding train" of our government from removing our constitutional rights and plunging us into war without end if we could expose 911 for what it really was? That way, BushCo could never again invoke 911 for his "war on terror." Now that the detainee bill has been passed, we can forget about prosecution for the crimes of 911, but we would stop the madness by removing the only ace they have, which is 911. This is not rocket science or am I missing something here?


Never forget to be angry.

I think you are absolutely correct. The people that I started show 9/11 videos to a year and a half ago became horrified and then -angry- because they found out they had been betrayed. Then they were willing to begin to learn. Anger -can be- righteous. And motivating. (disclaimer: Exercise caution when using anger. Must be used according to package instructions.....)

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

they're insulting us when they open their mouth

They always use this technique of right away, in the title or first words, discrediting 9/11 truth with prejudiced insults such as "myths" (P.M. book) or "paranoid", and above all "conspiracy theories".
What it takes is to forget about what you 'heard' about 9/11 or 9/11 theories, here's a clip of the collapses, here's some witnesses statements. And then ask what would you say if there weren't any Arabs involved.
Stone seems to have lost this capability to think clearly, but rather goes along with mainstream media lies. Or Maybe he's got that psychological barrier, that doesn't allow "revisionism" in his head. Many people, the higher they are in politics or business the worse, have this 'problem': They just wont accept that they were told a "big lie", so "big" that it was accepted around the world and put into history books, but it was all a lie, they just won't accept that, because they deny that such big evil is possible. When you tell them there was a "small lie", about how dangerous Iraq was with Saddam, about how long the war would take, these small lies are politicallly correct and acceptable for their stubborn mind.

Conspiracy? No, Amazing Coincidence.

So the real conspiracy of hijacking The United States Government happened after those incredibly fortuitous events on 9/11. How much longer can these people hide behind the wall of cognitive dissonance?

Watching President Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace, I was struck by something odd. He stated not once, but twice, (with emphasis I might add) that both the FBI and CIA refused to certify Al-qaeda's (i.e. Usama's) involvement with the attack on the USS Cole. A quick google search turned up the usual suspects. Stone is beholden to his masters, 9/11 threatens to pull back the cutain.

JFK was much safer for Stone

Even congress finally admited that there was much more to JFK than Oswald, and it has become acceptable to not believe in the Warren Commission.

The JFK assassination was also a small event compared with 9/11, and more than half of americans believe there was a conspiracy, and it was 30 years prior.
If stone comes out and makes a 9/11 conspiracy movie, he gets trashed by the MSM, his movie crashes and burns, and even worse, he becomes ignored and unable to make money through his movies. Better yet he probably would not even be ALLOWED to make a 9/11 conspiracy movie in the gatekeeper land of Hollywood.

This shows even more that we need to keep pushing forward with 9/11 truth, eventually we will break through and it will be OK to talk about 9/11 truth in mixed company because the criminal element will have been exposed.

Means, Motive, Opportunity

From Stone's "JFK", "Why did it happen? Who benefits? Who has the power to cover it up?"

Oliver Stone knows better...

9/11 Means:



9/11 Motive:

"Shock and Awe: Achieving Rapid Dominance" (1996)...

"The absence of a direct and daunting external security threat is, of course a most obvious aspect of the difficulty in defining the future defense posture of the nation. While we might conjure up nominal regional contingencies against Korea or Iraq as sensible planning scenarios for establishing the building blocks for force structure, it will prove difficult to sustain the current defense program over the long term without a real threat materializing to rally and coalesce public support."


9/11 Opportunity:

"an earthquake of the magnitude of 9/11 can shift the tectonic plates of international politics. The international system has been in flux since the collapse of Soviet power. Now it is possible -- indeed, probable -- that that transition is coming to an end. If that is right, if the collapse of the Soviet Union and 9/11 bookend a major shift in international politics, then this is a period not just of grave danger, but of enormous opportunity. Before the clay is dry again, America and our friends and our allies must move decisively to take advantage of these new opportunities. This is, then, a period akin to 1945 to 1947…" -Condi Rice


F*ck Oliver Stone anyway

F*ck Oliver Stone anyway he's a "Conspiracy Theorist", if he embraces 9/11 Truth that may make some people take note of it, but it may also damage our image because of the image he already has.. that of "Mr Conspiracy". 9/11 Truth isn’t about "Conspiracy Theories".

good point Dem

thank God Oliver Stone disagrees with us. :)

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

How could Stone say that!!?

Oliver Stones statement is an insult to all the American families and friends who lost someone on 9/11.

Sorry Stone!!.

False flag terrorism has been reality for years(unbeknownst to most until recently)

Somehow murderers got into the world trade center

Most of us dont like to see murder go unpunished.

Weiner-brains Stoned again?

There they go thinking with their small heads again. Our entire world has been turned upside-down, while Hollywood wants to 'entertain us,' while wearing little more than fluffy boas! ..."P-Leeeeease, miss-thing!"

Speaking of "targeting the left-coast," did you hear the one about how they plan to 'Nuke' La-la land?

For the record, Stone didnt say truth movement was untrue.

I know this comment goes against the tide, but I thought I'd interject it anyway...

I re-read Stone's comment about the truth movment. He doesnt say 9/11 truth is untrue, he simply says there is "a far greater conspiracy" that people should focus on, i.e. the war in Iraq.

That's old-style Democrat shining through. My dad, who once ran as a Democrat for U.S. Congress, basically said the same thing to me a few months back when explained the position of 9/11/truth to him.

They think we're wasting our time. I don't agree with their position, but they're more focused on 1) saving lives lost in the war 2) winning control of Congress for the Dems.

It's part of their posturing for the middle ground voters. As long as we're still considered a fringe element of society, we will get no respect, come election time.

If we could somehow turn the tide, with a mobilization of our numbers, maybe we would gain some more respect, and maybe guys like Stone would then bite their lips before making a comment like the one he did.

(his comment)

"I think that conspiracy-mongering on 9/11 is a waste of time," he said. "The far greater conspiracy occurred after 9/11 when basically a neo-cabal inside our government hijacked policy and went to war.

Well, one thing is for

Well, one thing is for sure...the 9/11 dam has NOT yet been broken, like so many truthers keep saying. I think the dam is weakening, but it certainly has not yet collapsed.
As for Stone, he's a farce. And I'm not at all surprised by that. He's too rich for his own (and our own) good.

Farewell and adieux Mr.

Farewell and adieux Mr. Stone. With these recent statements you have conclusively demonstrated your allegiance to the left gatekeeper school of thought regarding the high treason of 911. We will move forward exposing the truth to more and more people without your assistance. You have lost a great deal of your credibility.

Hey, did anyone ever get brought to justice for JFK?

Stone must know the real perps get away with murder. For all the work he did to shine some light on the JFK conspiracy, it never led to real justice served.
So he's already prejudiced about what we are doing. That doesn't mean he's in bed with the perps.
I mean, look at George W. Bush. He's got the perfect alibi for 9/11. Reading to kids in a classroom. How's anyone ever going to put Bush in jail for that?
The old rule of thumb is this: people in power get away with murder...until they meet their Maker. Justice has always been controlled by the wealthy, and the people who control the wealth. Which is why prisons are filled with mostly poor people. It's always been that way.
War is murder. If I interpret what Stone is saying...the people who died on 9/11 have already died. They died injustly, but the fact is, we cannot bring them back to life. But there are innocent people still alive right now who will die if Bush stays in power and continues to start wars.
I'm not saying I agree with Stone's assessment...but I understand his sentiments.

Personally, I am very hopeful that our movement can break the dam of deceit, at least in this country. But on the other hand, I read the book of Revelation, and I know the world is going to someday be controlled by a one-world government that is the full embodiment of satanic power.

It's going to take Jesus coming back to break their power. The Book of Daniel says just that. He is the stone that will shatter the mountain of empires.

He is the stone. (Not Oliver Stone).

Jesus ain't coming back as Jesus

He's coming back as a 9/11 Truther. And actually, the dam has broken, the water just hasn't yet swept away all the lies.

believe me, there will soon be dancing in the streets.


"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

9/11 truth is to

9/11 truth is to 'unconventional' for the Dems. With war criticism, they have their 'politics as usual'. They know the truth is bad for them, so they want to 'bury' it. If they succeed, just shoot me...


However, he did use the term "conspiracy mongering" which is dismissive towards the truth movement. To me, it's a lot like labeling. "Mongering" is denigrating in nature and I think he intended it to be. But that's just me.


Hey Mandrake

I agree, Mandrake, his use of the word "mongering" was hurtful. Very hurtful.

I mean, we know that "war mongering" is one of the key motives for 9/11. Along with greed.

So to label us as "mongerers" is a low blow, a cheap shot to the lower extremity.

I think Oliver Stone will regret what he said someday.

Meanwhile, we need to keep our shoulders to the plow, and push for truth. I still pray for a miracle, that America will break away from the NWO. 9/11 truth is the best chance we have, because the truth of 9/11 is blatant. And it could lead to another "great awakening" such as the one that happened before the American Revolution.

Someone has to be in DENIAL not to see or believe the truth of 9/11.

So I would argue that our strategy now should be this: how are we going to bring people out of denial? I don't believe it's going to happen if we call people names.

We have to show the greatest character. And that means "turning the other cheek" sometimes when a comment like Stone's comes our way.

It sounds to me like Oliver Stone is in denial. So how do we reach him without punching back and calling him a douche bag?

Well, I'd ask

HOW could this neo-cabal inside the government hijack the policy? And tell your dad about rigged elections when he again mentions that winning them was of higher priority than 9/11.

Stone needs to stop hanging

Stone needs to stop hanging out with Michael Moore.

JFK was made 30 years after the fact

It's just not safe yet for a big old lazy traitorous coward like Oliver Stone.


So much for Stone being a truther...NEXT

title says it all.

In someway he's right...

Trying to convince peoples of the validity of our theory maybe a big waste of time since, if we compare it to the JFK case, I don't know what are the stat, but I'm sure majority think there were something odd with the murder of JFK, but nobody ever really gave a sh*t about it. So this maybe a big waste of time. Maybe it's time to concentrate on stopping the effect of 9/11, like Irak and Afghanistan.

JFK film financed by Israeli arms dealer

Michael Piper writes in his must-read book, Final Judgment, which pins the JFK assassination on Israel (ultimately), that Stone's film ignored the "French connection, which was in fact, the Israeli connection, perhaps because his chief financial backer was veteran Mossad asset, Arnon Milchan, Israel's biggest arms dealer and a major figure in Israel's nuclear arms program."

While Stone's film JFK is very entertaining, and also has some important political messages, it is ultimately propaganda of the Zionist kind. Hollyweird and the TV (Talmud Vision) are not going to admit that 911 was an inside job for the same reason they won't acknowledge that the US congress is the best one that Israel can buy! (This in no way relieves the guilt of the masses of non Jewish idiots in America, they deserve full blame as well for their apathy and gullibility).

Too Deep?

Okay, so maybe I’m digging into this a bit too far, but to make the best case, I looked up mongering in the dictionary:

Mongering - a person who is involved with something in a petty or contemptible way (usually used in combination): a gossipmonger.

So literally, he is saying that “a person involved with 911 truth in a petty or contemptible way” is a “waste of time”.

It would seem that most here are not involved with the truth in a petty or contemptible way. Those would be the shills, disinfo and psyops types. So technically he is correct in his statement.

Conspiracy theories and fighting them

Sunday, February 13, 2005
Conspiracy theories and fighting them

Conspiracy theories and populism share a strong distrust of the elite, people in high places, the rich, the powerful, the well-connected - including scientists and other well-educated, pompous pundits. Most varieties of populism see science as symbolizing or representing elitism. Science is complicated and difficult to learn and superficially it seems to be monopolized by, and to support the interest of, the powers that be. Most scientists think, the populist strain of conspiracy theories sees science as traditional rather than revolutionary, conventional rather than going against the grain.

In conspiracy theories, the conspirators control public life by controlling access to valuable information. To fight against a conspiracy, we must first believe in it. And the central idea of conspiracy theories is that we must uncover the truth. As in the X-files, Mulder said it best: "The answers are there. You just have to know where to look." In principle, by telling the truth, we can undermine the control that the powerful have over us.

There are many varieties of conspiracy theories. One major type is the paranormal conspiracy theory. What paranormal conspiracy theories share with conspiracy theories in general is the view that nothing is as it seems. There are evil, shadowy figures who hide valuable information from the public.

In the paranormal conspiracy theory; the underdog tries to reveal the truth about scientifically unexplainable phenomena and undermine, and ultimately defeat, the dominant, establishment view, thereby empowering the public. The underdog is opposed to a "rigid scientific view of the world." In place of this rigid view, the anticonspiracy theory favors intuition, what feels right, what seems right, experience, memory--in short, what contradicts or can't be explained by science.