What is wrong with 911 thruth?
I know many of you might take offense for what I am about to write, but nevertheless it is what I believe to be the ultimate truth. In my humble opinion the 911 truth movement has already created and went beyond “critical mass”. More than 5 percent believe in your concerns regarding the official story (fraud) given to us by the Philip Zelikov commission. I read that somewhere between 35 to 40 percent are more likely to believe your truth than the official story, given these numbers, I wonder why this have not translated into a massive demonstrations like the civil rights movement, Vietnam and so forth.
I have been reading your post for the last couple of weeks and came to conclusion that you guys are honest and passionate in what you believe, but in my opinion I have the impression that the 911 truth community is more concerned with being right about 911, than mobilizing the masses. You have to understand that the truth is already on your side, because you have proven that the official story is a lie and that is commendable, but the 911-truth community has failed in translating the awakening of many into a cause that many will strive for a change.
In my opinion the middle class America (what is left) is apathetic to 911 truth, because they benefit from the status quo and rather than accept the truth, they will rationalize and find comfort in our mediums of propaganda and deception. They have fancy cars, homes, and good jobs. These middle class individuals ultimately work for the global corporations that are the roots of our nation’s problem. When you shatter the middle-class reality, they become aggressive and vicious with denial and will accept the most ridiculous opposing view.
Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934
“All propaganda has a direction. The quality of this direction determines whether propaganda has a positive or negative effect. Good propaganda does not need to lie, indeed it may not lie. It has no reason to fear the truth. It is a mistake to believe that the people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand. A propaganda that lies proves that it has a bad cause. It cannot be successful in the long run. A good propaganda will always come along that serves a good cause. But propaganda is still necessary if a good cause is to succeed. A good idea does not win simply because it is good. It must be presented properly if it is to win. The combination makes for the best propaganda. Such propaganda is successful without being obnoxious. It depends on its nature, not its methods. It works without being noticed. Its goals are inherent in its nature. Since it is almost invisible, it is effective and powerful. A good cause will lose to a bad one if it depends only on its rightness, while the other side uses the methods of influencing the masses. We are, for example, firmly convinced that we fought the war for a good cause, but that was not enough. The world should also have known and seen that our cause was good. However, we lacked the effective means of mass propaganda to make that clear to the world.”
The 911-truth movement is preaching to the wrong social group, because the people that are immediately affected are the poor. The socio-economics systems of oppression and tyranny are built around this important group. If we can create a political movement that will give them hope of a better tomorrow, they will follow and they need to understand that 911 is the key to unlock this government controlled by global corporations that benefits from their misery. This is our time in history to take back our Republic or let it go down the drain just because we only want to be right about the truth of 911.
Please forgive my English, this is not my primary language.
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I agree and...
(apologies for my poor english)
...further more : what makes you ppl think you can overthrow this government/corporate network using its own institutions that are clearly infested with corruption. That corruption is not because bad ppl just happen to be part of it, it's because these institutions are designed to harbor the bad ppl and keep the good out.(excuse me for using vintage terms like good and bad)
When somebody does not value your life and is willing to kill you for "the greater good" whatever that good may be, do you call that person your political adversary who has a different opinion or is it fair to say that this person is your enemy and needs to be destroyd for "the greater good": your survival!
Is it fair to shoot down an airplane for example when it is about to crash into your own house?
Is it fair to shoot at a policeman when he wants to kill you or is it better to go to the police and say " the police is out to kill me"?
"You have to defeat the enemy with his own weapons!" Napoleon Bonaparte said this If I'm not mistaking
Well, there are historical
Well, there are historical precedents for populations overthrowing governments and overturning unjust laws, so the goal is not a new one. And many times, the "right" side wins in spite of ridiculous odds against it (a barefooted Gandhi and his unarmed followers basically defeating the British Empire).
Governments have always been willing to sacrifice their own citizens if they see it as being beneficial or essential to their survival. You, as an individual, are responsible for your own survival. When you and the government have a conflict of interest regarding your survival, then you have to do whatever is necessary to survive, even if it "breaks the law." This seems obvious to me.
As a general rule, though, there are procedures for changing the government when it is not doing what the people feel is right. That is the entire point of this movement. The system is broke and it needs to be fixed. The government should fear the people, not the other way around. We accept the fact that governments will always be corrupt and selfish and unjust to some extent, but there is a line that has been crossed here that is unacceptable. It took this extreme event to wake us up and examine the system to see that it has been rotten for a long time, and they have been very slick in hiding the details. People are waking up and understanding how they are being manipulated, and they are not happy. This is a big issue that has been brewing for a long time, and it will not resolve itself quickly and easily. Or painlessly. A small few have grabbed an enormous amount of power and they will never willingly surrender any piece of it. But the operation is too big, too obscene, filled with too many lies. It will eventually break down. If you are one of the "good ppl" then you will do your best to educate yourself and others and perform "good actions" to rouse those who need help waking up. Be smart, brave, and nonviolent. I'll stop now.
As far as your other musings on utilitarianism, It is quite fair to shoot down an airplane before it crashes into even a single house because the people on board are going to die anyway and a life on the ground will be saved.
And shooting anyone, even a policeman, in self-defense is justified. I don't see the utilitarian connection here.
If you think that the route to beating a vastly more forceful opponent is to use force against him (whatever happened to Napoleon?), then see the above paragraph that references Gandhi.
I would also point out that if you want to quote Bonaparte regarding defeating the enemy "with his own weapons," then you shouldn't argue that it is a bad idea to try and "overthrow this government/corporate network using its own institutions." These two ideas are in direct opposition to each other. Which do you mean?
Gandhi vs the NWO
Thank you for your reply,
"barefooted Gandhi and his unarmed followers" did not hit or shoot anybody but, their actions triggerd a lot of violence and the defeating of the british empire was everything but peaceful!!! Can you handle a modern NWO kind of retaliatory violence that can be expected as an answer to your "smart, brave, and nonviolent" actions? Is there enough time to play around?? If 10 percent of what Alex Jones is saying is true then time is not on our side! The NWO at this point couldn't dream of a more convenient adversary (enemy) than Mahatma Gandhi! For his actions were called peaceful only by the British soldiers, not by his unarmed followers that got shot tortured and beaten to death!!!
"You, as an individual, are responsible for your own survival. When you and the government have a conflict of interest regarding your survival, then you have to do whatever is necessary to survive"
Why does this kind of reasoning remind me so hard of that of Mister Noam-"lets all take valium and talk ourselves to sleep"-Chomsky. Leave the difficult controversial actions to "the individual"- that lonesome village fool- and keep the hurd busy talking (blogging) because, while they are talking at least they are not doing anything worse.
Individual??? me and the government??? whatever happened to WE THE PEOPLE!? Aren't you going to help me when the government wants to kill me for reasons I don't have to explain here I hope? What is this movement all about then?
" if you want to quote Bonaparte regarding defeating the enemy "with his own weapons," then you shouldn't argue that it is a bad idea to try and "overthrow this government/corporate network using its own institutions." These two ideas are in direct opposition to each other. Which do you mean?"
If you are not pulling my leg on this one then I'm sorry for confusing you. I'm not good in english and have little experience in expressing myself with the written word, even in my own language. So here is an attempt to make clear that the words weapons and institutions are not interchangeable for both parties.
For example:
Lets consider the elections to be the institution. then the weapon of "the good" could be: a vote.
"The good" using the institution of the election :
their weapon = 1 vote for each person (according to the rules)
"The bad" using the same institution of the election :
their weapon = fraud (not according to the rules)
"The bad" use the institutions in a different way because they (re)designed them and now control them. Actually they hardly use the official version of the institutions. You and I only have acces to the legitimate part of them. Wouldn't you agree? If this is still not clear well then I am just too dumb to write and hope for someone that knows what I want to say to help me out.
The weapons of the network are not necessarily violant. What are the weapons of this network? I would say its main weapon is fear. So all I'm saying is: analyse how they do it and see if it is possible to do it to them. I'm not saying we should take airplanes and fly them in to their homes, just do whatever is possible to scare them. Even though they are powerful, that does not make them immune to fear, paranoia and confusion. The fear of violence is often more effective than violence itself. In that context I say "Pick up your gun, praise the lord and pass the ammo!! and for crying out loud stop the Gandhi BS!!!"
The truth movement is a good and necessary body for finding, studying and spreading the truth but, there is clearly a need for some wings that take other kinds of actions!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but there are a few things in your reply that seem to be "in direct opposition to each other" too.
"Be smart, brave, and nonviolent."
"shooting anyone, even a policeman, in self-defense is justified"
"It is quite fair to shoot down an airplane before it crashes into even a single house "
"you have to do whatever is necessary to survive"
According to my simple logic, the only word that does not belong in the paragraph above is "nonviolent"
I say: " some government object is comming towards your house and it might crash very very soon!!"
You reply (with an inert Chomsky-style voice): "There are procedures for changing the government when it is not doing... " (a loud bang wakes up all your neighbours)
I say: "...R.I.P. brother"
so according to you it's all about waking the ppl up so that they become "not happy" and then what??? Again at this point I wish to refer to Alex Jones' research. For what and for who will all those prisons be used?
I think there should be a website containing the adresses and hang outs of "the bad". No specific reason, just so we know where they are (preferbly 24/7) in case we need them for anything.
ps: My compliments to the truth movement I So many ppl have never come so close to the truth! I take my hat of!
Very Good Post & Very Serious Problem
I think this basically outlines the biggest problem facing this movement.
I think we should all take off our "research" hats - stop squabling over what reality of 9/11 we are buying into - and start focusing 100% of our efforts towards ACTIONS.
I think the time for debating is over.
We need to CONSOLIDATE our platform based on a few simple principles - stop the theorizing - end all divisions in this movement - and start organizing ACTIONS.
I believe, as the OP states above, that we have MORE THAN ENOUGH Prima Facie evidence of lies and a cover-up to build a platform based on the Ghandi model of peaceful but FORCEFUL ACTION.
waving signs on the anniversary of 9/11 that the media ignores is all fine and dandy. it may help wake people up on the streets.
But - just an FYI - Congress just passed legislation that gives this president near dicatorial powers in determining WHO he is allowed to detain as a enemy combatent - WHAT is considered torture - and WITHOUT any habeas corpus protections.
THIS MOVEMENT HAD BETTER EXERCISE WHAT IS LEFT OF ITS CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE IT HAS THE CHANCE.
Along that line
and I think I read something on here before about this, sounds like we need legal representation. Someone to file suit.
I understand that William Rodriguez and others WTC survivors are either in the process of or have already filed a civil suit against the government using the powerhouse SC plaintiff law firm of Motley & Rice. I think I will try to find out more about that lawsuit. They probably wouldn't represent the truth group but I could possibly get some valuable information from what they have filed and what they are alleging. Will check on that.
mandrake
Waking up people on the
Waking up people on the streets is the number one best action to take. Anyone can do it.
After that, please define the other ACTIONS you think are necessary. As you point out, the government is breaking/ignoring the laws of the Constitution. Which part of that governmental system would you like to see go to action to redress the wrongs that it is itself committing? Something like a 911 Commission?
My 2 cents
The 911 truth needs to organize and nationwide, with a simple goal other than expose the truth. Why is this so important? Well the masses will not follow, because the first question is: What is the next step? Why would I spend time on this, when there is no future other than exposing a horrible reality that will ultimately will collapse our very own system, they smell anarchy.
1. We need to create a platform (just like a political party) that will make 911 truth essential for a change in our system (PEOPLE WANT CHANGE) and return back to a Constitutional Republic.
2. Scholars for 911 truth have been extremely successful with regards to exposing falsehoods and debunking the official story, this is a very important part of the movement, but not enough to mobilize. We need a branch of the 911 truth only dedicated to use means of propaganda to mobilize the masses.
3. We need another branch of the movement that organizes events, funding and action items.
Government will address no redress to our grievances unless there is massive mobilization of people in Washington. At this point is meaningless to think of such a move
Have you been to
Have you been to 911truth.org?
I will take a look!
I became aware of the truth visiting the st911.org and since the begginig I questioned the al-qaeda websites not being tracked down by FBI, because I work managing and setting up electronic communications networks and for me it is a no brainer, also the fact that the alleged websites URL are never stated.
I also doubt the official story by listening to Alex Jones, he is such a character, God bless him.
Gandhi vs the NWO
"barefooted Gandhi and his unarmed followers" did not hit or shoot anybody but, their actions triggerd a lot of violence and the defeating of the british empire was everything but peaceful!!! Can you handle a modern NWO kind of retaliatory violence that can be expected as an answer to your "smart, brave, and nonviolent" actions? Is there enough time to play around?? If 10 percent of what Alex Jones is saying is true then time is not on our side! The NWO at this point couldn't dream of a more convenient adversary (enemy) than Mahatma Gandhi! For his actions were called peaceful only by the British soldiers, not by his unarmed followers that got shot, tortured and beaten to death!!!
Our corrupt government isn't going to arrest itself for us...
..further more : what makes you ppl think you can overthrow this government/corporate network using its own institutions that are clearly infested with corruption....
That is an extremely good point!!!
forming a community
after i became aware of all of this information last week, i was left asking myself
"what now?"
it hit me like a tons of bricks. so much of this information rings truer in my ears than i've ever heard anything do before in my life.
but my concern is finding like-minded people.
it is SO easy for us to just bitch about this and not do anything. look at how fortunate we are. we are communicating about this, aren't we? we still have the internet, mindless television...everything seems normal.
we need to band together...physically band ourselves with like-minded folks. we need to make this more of a reality! because, like you are all saying, time IS running out.
thank you so much for writing this out, crunchy!