Buzzflash reviews "9/11 Press for Truth"

9/11: Press For Truth

Amidst all the different theories as to what led up to 9/11, what happened that day, and what actions followed it, there is one thing that every BuzzFlash reader can agree upon: The "official" version of 9/11 is a politically fabricated narrative.

We may each have our own theory on the true story, but we know the "official" story is not true.

As to what really led up to 9/11, who were all the parties involved, who financed it, and how the government responded, we can only say as one of the "Jersey Girls" says in this documentary: "They lied, they all lied."

The makers of "9/11: Press for Truth" do an excellent job of combining two key forces that have raised crucial and still unanswered questions about 9/11: the mission of the "Jersey Girls" to know who was really behind the murder of their loved ones -- and the exhaustive 9/11 Terror Timeline assembled by Paul Thompson. Interweaving these two efforts makes for an eye-opening journey through how the Bush Administration and the 9/11 Commission successfully obstructed a fully independent and unbiased examination of the events surrounding 9/11.

Continued...
Thanks, Joe for the tip.

Mineta - OT

This is off topic, but I was just listening to Ray McGovern on CSPAN2 (9/19/06 Camp Democracy BookTV). He said the night before he had been speaking at an event where Norm Mineta was also speaking. Afterwards he 'intercepted' Mineta and point blank asked him the question everyone would love to have answered.

This isn't a full transcript but the basis of what he said:

McGovern asked him, "Why do you think the VP let the plane hit the Pentagon?...How do you figure that?"

McGovern said Mineta started talking about the plane in Penn. and he "couldn't figure out if he's [Mineta] completely out of it, or just didn't want to answer the question.".

He said this was a one on one opportunity to pursue a decent answer to the question and Mineta "failed to do so". He implied that Mineta's response was odd/strange.

how did you hear of this? if

how did you hear of this? if thats true, im very impressed.

It was just on CSPAN2. It

It was just on CSPAN2. It was kind of disappointing though because I was hoping Mineta would have shared something conclusively with McGovern. McGovern said it was an 8 minute conversation. He elaborated more than I typed above -- I couldn't write everything down so fast. Apparantly, he explicited recounted the whole story of the aide talking to Cheney to him and ask why they failed to intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon. McGovern basically said that Mineta tried to talk about the plane in Penn and was otherwise ambiguous with his answers.

You guys are saying...

That the intellectuals speak out conference was on C-SPAN?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

http://www.booktv.org/feature

http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?segID=7477&schedID=452

Camp Democracy Panel on War and the Media (9/19/06)

It was at the end of the broadcast. McGovern was at a conference the previous day (9/18) and doing a literal reading of the Constitution, which Mineta was also participating in.

This adds to the possibility

This adds to the possibility that the Mineta testimony is spin.

And think about it. Mineta, a very loyal member of the Bush team. Would he give incriminating evidence against his boss Cheney, without consulting him first?
And continue as a member of the team for months.

Do you even know that Norman

Do you even know that Norman Mineta is a Democrat who was appointed under Clinton? You don't seem to care about getting your facts straight. When pomeroo caught you in an untrue claim that Levy and Dailey believed your crazy theories, nobody said a word. You tell lies, get caught, and it's a big so what.

Yes, I knew Mineta is a

Yes, I knew Mineta is a Democrat, isn't that showing his loyalty even more?

The rest? I don't know what you are talking about? Must have missed it.

I suggest that you cool it. All I'm doing is speculating over the possibility that Minetas testimony could be spin.

Then...

Why won't he repeat it?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Not being a smart ass...

But this is NOT rocket science.

PLEASE for a minute, everybody... stop focusing on the order, and the young man.

Cheney's Arrival
9/11 Report: 9:58am
Norman Mineta: At least before 9:20, when he arrived.

Time Of Flight 77's Impact
9:37am

Cheney could not possibly have been monitoring Flight 77 if he arrived at the PEOC when the 9/11 Report says he did.

Therefore, since they omitted Mineta's testimony from the report, and proclaimed Cheney's arrival at 9:58am, it's safe to assume they are covering up how long Cheney was in the PEOC.

WHY?

And what kind of orders was he throwing around?

Our new investigation should question each and every individual who was working in the PEOC that morning, under oath.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Don't exactly understand you

Don't exactly understand you here?

He won't repeat it because he is loyal to the Bush regime.

Because...

If his original testimony was intentionally created "spin", then why won't he repeat it?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Answer is in the post above.

Answer is in the post above. Because he is loyal to the Bush regime, and that is the reason McGovern couldn't get anything out of him.

But, as I said above, I'm only speculating.

Well...

I pointed out in another thread, that there's very good reason to believe Mineta was told to lie.

"I have VERY good reason to believe that Norman Mineta was told to lie about his testimony.

In April 2006 , the Pacifica Tribune reported on a lecture Mineta gave at Jefferson High School in the Bay Area of San Francisco.

The reporter, Jane Northrop, wrote the following:

"School personnel filled the theater to give as many students and teachers as possible an opportunity to hear Mineta. He gave them his insider's view about his momentous decision-making on Sept. 11, 2001. After the planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and crashed in the Pennsylvania woods, he was whisked away by Secret Service agents. He conducted his business that day from a secure bunker with the other members of cabinet. As U.S. Secretary of Transportation, he faced the decision about what to do with the nation's air traffic. Mineta made the decision to immediately ground all 4,600 planes coming in and out of the country, despite advisors who urged him to allow pilots to use their discretion about where to land, he told the students."

I sent Ms. Northrop several emails asking her about this article. I never heard from her.

Now we hear that Ray confronted Mineta about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission, and this time, he told a story about Flight 93, which COMPLETELY contradicts his testimony.

We also have several "trolls" on 9/11 sites who try to make everyone believe that Mineta's memory was bad, and that he was referring to Flight 93.

This is an impossibility based on his testimony.

Here is an excerpt from his opening statement.

When I got to the White House, it was being evacuated. I met briefly with Richard Clark, a National Security Council staff member, who had no new information. Then the Secret Service escorted me down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, otherwise known as the PEOC. I established contact on two lines, one with my chief of staff at the Department of Transportation, and the second with Monty Belger, the acting deputy administrator of the FAA, and Jane Garvey, both of whom were in the FAA operations center.

And as the minutes passed, the developing picture from air traffic control towers and radar screens became increasingly more alarming. Some aircraft could not be contacted. While on a normal day that may be just a communications snafu, we were faced with trying to quickly sort out minor problems from significant threats. We did not know how many more attacks might be in progress.

The FAA began to restrict air travel in the Northeast United States by a combination of actions which included sterilizing air space in certain regions and at various airports, and ultimately a nationwide ground stop of all aircraft for all locations, regardless of destination.

Within a few minutes, American Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

That's from his prepared remarks. Not from the Q&A session.

Also, Flight 93 NEVER came within 10 miles of Washington D.C.

Therefore, I have VERY good reason to believe that Mineta was told to lie about the testimony he gave before the 9/11 Commission.

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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Tnx, for your reply.

Tnx, for your reply.

Very interesting, indeed.

No,,,

Problem.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Sure everyone knows this,

Sure everyone knows this, but just thought I'd point it out. During his testimony, Mineta was specifically asked if he was referring to the plane that hit the Pentagon, which he replied yes. Furthermore, saying "50 miles out" implies that the plane is away from a specific target.

Two-weeks ago when McGovern questioned Mineta, how then would he talk about Flight 93? And why wouldn't he give a direct answer? I'm skeptical of the elaborate theories, but this is quite interesting.

I wish Congress would pass a bill saying, yes we can torture some terrorists, as long as we can use coercion techniques to question everyone involved in 9-11 to get the real truth! The 9-11 families can't even ask direct questions that remain unanswered, imagine if we could use waterboarding on Mineta, Cheney, etc!

OT: October surprise

Found this on WRH. Huge number of put options for October 6th:

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=22476

The page says this is an email from a "faithful reader" though, I'm not sure how much credibility this information deserves.

-d

Coincidence? I think not...

Mock terror drill to be held

David Pierce
Pocono Record Writer
September 29, 2006
SNYDERSVILLE — Weapons of mass destruction, large scale casualties and deaths — coming to a county near you.

The Monroe County Emergency Management Agency will hold a drill Saturday, Oct. 7 encompassing a multi-agency response to such a man-made criminal disaster.

"While multiple agencies have drilled in the past for disasters, this is one of the first times we will be exercising on such a large scale, with so many agencies, and respond to a potential terrorism event, a large crime scene," said Robert Werts, program manager for the Northeast Pennsylvania Emergency Response Group.

Source: CLICK HERE

Anyone have any idea what

Anyone have any idea what will happen as a result of this? Patriot Act 3?

Why would they need another

Why would they need another patriot act when they just passed the torture bill...

my prediction is the tanks and troops will begin to roll, and all the evildoers will be be taken for their 'trial' at the nearest stadium. :-|

BUZZFLASH moving towards 9/11 Truth?

I am really pleasantly surprised by this review.

Has BUZZFLASH finally decided to make the move to start covering 9.11 Truth? Now that they are flat out calling the offical story a "LIE" what are they going to do to find out the truth?

A quick peek at their website looks to me like they are going to be using Woodwards new book "A State of Denial" in going after the Bush administration regarding 9.11.

OT

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061001/ap_on_go_ot/terror_and_the_mob;_ylt=...

FBI worries about al-Qaida ties to mob By PAT MILTON, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago

The FBI's top counterterrorism official harbors lots of concerns: weapons of mass destruction, undetected homegrown terrorists and the possibility that old-fashioned mobsters will team up with al-Qaida for the right price.

Though there is no direct evidence yet of organized crime collaborating with terrorists, the first hints of a connection surfaced in a recent undercover FBI operation. Agents stopped a man with alleged mob ties from selling missiles to an informant posing as a terrorist middleman.

While we're challenging the NWO...

Tomorrow, Congress will probably pass their most draconian measures yet.

With this 'US-Enemy Combatant' legislation, I felt it only fair for me to say goodbye to all of you, before they drag my ass to G'tmo!

On a positive note, I might get to share a cell with a certified 'enemy journalist,' like, Jeff Rense, Kurt Nimmo, Greg Palast, Greg Szymanski, et. all. (Not that I could ever possibly hope to assimilate such litertary greatness, but perhaps the aforementioned would be so kind as to list me as a footnote in their memoirs, somewhere below the fold, down there with Rachel Correy.)

Most likely, names like those won't get so much as an astrix in the mainstream, after the G'-Men incorporate IRAN into the brave new 'North American Union." If you have your doubts, just remember Rove's Golden Rule:

-" The profit from the Oil will quickly offset the cost of the War."

In case you haven't read it, here's my testimony about my involvment with the official "World Trade Cowards." I've been naming names from the start, a few at a time, so you can be assured they will take me out, just as soon as they can presume nobody will even notice! Last month, my site traffic increased 10-fold. Then they whacked my e'mail. I've listed my phone, just in case anybody needs a personal confirmation as to my legitimacy, (and/or sanity.)
http://www.redlineav.com/index.9.11.html

Leaving

TSG, hope to be able to correspond with you if you leave country. you sound like a great patriot with all writing and research you've done. Ruppert's in Venzuela.

-" The profit from the Oil will quickly offset the cost of the W

Indeed, he was right. The profit for oil companies, weapon industry, and the dollar fiat money system itself was far higher than the cost you silly american pay for higher energy bills.

Buzzflash's New World Order

Buzzflash paves the way for more news services to discuss 911 without risking their credibilty; in fact, now, for those covering 911, it will increase their credibility. 911Press for Truth raises crucial and still unanswered questions about 9/11. We 911 Truthers should take this lead in spreading info. Instead of coming out of the gun with a conspiracy theory, which automatically puts people on the defensive, simply talk about the need for an investigation into the mass murder of 3000 US citizens. Whenever I bring up 911 in conversation, which is like all the time, people ask me if I'm a Conspiracy Theorist. I quickly respond as if I've been insulted, and tell them no, I don't know who committed the mass murder of 3000 US citizens. However, I do have a mountain of unanswered questions surrounding 911 and the Official story. I then ask them how they would respond if their loved ones were murdered and you discovered that there really was no investigation. Without fail, everyone has said, of course I'd demand an investigation. I then ask if they would stand in the way of a mass murder investigation, and of course everyone answers correctly. Then I manage to reccomend the film 911 Press for Truth. If we manage to bring the 911 Truth Movement to the next level of an investigation, there is a mountain evidence at this point where I'm confidant that the real culprits will be convicted, I hope. For now, though, one step at a time, and the next step is an investigation, three or for steps later we'll nail Bush & Cheney to the wall. In fact, forget the wall, if found guilty, maybe we'll just push them off the top of skyscrapers.

Hummm, you say 'freefall'?

* In fact, forget the wall, if found guilty, maybe we'll just push them off the top of skyscrapers.

√ That's Brilliant! All this time, I've had my head in the sand like an ostrich. How primative of me to be so stuck on rickety old guillotines, jute rope, chairs with two broken legs, two Camels, (quarter horses will do) lancelots, tar & feathers, the rack...

Story

Lots of fingerpointing in the news lately, as well as pictures of 9/11 terrorists having a good laugh. Not sure which way they are going to go with this. I briefly saw a clip of Colin Powell on MSNBC this morning. There was some mention of him stating that Bush had prior knowledge of attacks and then it cut to another story...I couldn't catch the whole thing...did anyone else see it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR200609...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15063982/

I got caught watching Faux

I got caught watching Faux today, and was happy to see Representative Jane Harman at least call the Bin Laden Presidential Daily Briefing as close to a smoking gun as you could get.

Pretty good Will Pitt

Pretty good Will Pitt article here, although I get pissed at him because he hammers 9/11 Truth somewhat on the message boards. Anyway, what I find most interesting about the article is not so much that 9/11 Truthers or government whistleblowers will be detained and hauled off to prisons or camps. It is that the government's dirty little secrets will never come out at trial. Take Khalid Shaik Mohammed, for example. I'll bet you that guy could blow the official story out of the water and expose how the government works with Al Qaeda, if he even is really being detailed as an enemy right now. It is entirely possible those pictures of him looking all ragged are a show and that the information the media says the intelligence services got out of him could be spoon-fed propaganda. But now with this legislation, the government can work with and/or frame patsies, and hold their kangaroo court trials in private to cover up the truth. Lather, rinse, repeat.

In Case I Disappear
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Friday 29 September 2006

I have been told a thousand times at least, in the years I have spent reporting on the astonishing and repugnant abuses, lies and failures of the Bush administration, to watch my back. "Be careful," people always tell me. "These people are capable of anything. Stay off small planes, make sure you aren't being followed." A running joke between my mother and me is that she has a "safe room" set up for me in her cabin in the woods, in the event I have to flee because of something I wrote or said.

I always laughed and shook my head whenever I heard this stuff. Extreme paranoia wrapped in the tinfoil of conspiracy, I thought. This is still America, and these Bush fools will soon pass into history, I thought. I am a citizen, and the First Amendment hasn't yet been red-lined, I thought.

The Republicans in Congress have managed, at the behest of Mr. Bush, to draft a bill that all but erases the judicial branch of the government. Time will tell whether this aspect, along with all the others, will withstand legal challenges. If such a challenge comes, it will take time, and meanwhile there is this bill. All of the above is deplorable on its face, indefensible in a nation that prides itself on Constitutional rights, protections and the rule of law.

Underneath all this, however, is where the paranoia sets in.

Underneath all this is the definition of "enemy combatant" that has been established by this legislation. An "enemy combatant" is now no longer just someone captured "during an armed conflict" against our forces. Thanks to this legislation, George W. Bush is now able to designate as an "enemy combatant" anyone who has "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States."

Consider that language a moment. "Purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States" is in the eye of the beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other part of the so-called "War on Terror."

If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them up.

By writing this essay, I could be deemed an "enemy combatant." It's that simple, and very soon, it will be the law. I always laughed when people told me to be careful. I'm not laughing anymore.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml

Smelly Pitt

This is nonsense. Aside from left-gatekeeping, one of Pitt's jobs seems to be fear-mongering. Fear-mongering is bad whether it takes the form of lies about evil Arab Muslims trying to kill us all, or the big bad Bush government herding all us good truth-loving citizens into camps. Lies and bluffs. Get people scared to come out and question things--this is their plan. Pitt was charged with keeping the left gate shut, and he failed. Now his job is to scream and yell while people run through it, warning them to watch their backs--in other words, warning them from running through the opened gate into the land of truth and the end of rule by fear.

Daily Kos dips toe in 9/11 Truth

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/1/19340/4521

But like BUZZFLASH, DK couches its "interest" by feigning shock over the "revelations" in Bob Woodward's new book, "State of Denial". Here it appears that 9.11 is going to be pinned on Condi (kind of how Iraq was pinned on Colin).

I don't want to speak too soon here, but is the title of Woodward's book becoming more ironic by the minute? It is as a fog of ignorance and "denial" is gradually being peeled back. The left gatekeepers seem to be moving towards us. Let us encourage them and welcome them in.

Again, I don't want to speak too soon. But something is up...

I'm still not allowed to post there...

Can someone go post this in the comments please?

Condi's Killer Pen
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I'm on it...

I'm on it...

Thanks....

DailyKos don't want none of this.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Don't expect real support from BuzzFlash

Don't expect real support from BuzzFlash. They are fully gate-kept and this is not really an indication they are ready to do anything useful or realistic. It does show that they are feeling pressured to do spin and damage control to try to railroad the spread of awakening into obfuscated, watered down less-than-LIHOP 'incompetence', imo.

Note their spin tone:

""Press for Truth" would probably be considered a mainstream 9/11 theory film because it doesn't imply government planning of 9/11, but it does clearly indicate government negligence leading up to 9/11 and during the day of the disaster itself. "

Shows complicity IMO

Nice catch. Kind of shows their hypersensitivity between what is considered acceptable theory (i.e. "mainstream") vs. unacceptable theory (i.e. "conspiracy).

They even go so far as to admit that "government planning of 9/11" as opposed to simple "government negligence" is the key distinction separating the mainstream journalists from the conspiracy minded journalist.

Classic LIHOP v MIHOP. I would bet that 95% of Truther's were LIHOPers before they became MIHOPers.

Smelly Pitt Anonymous Troll can shove it up....

BY ITS LANGUAGE, THE MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT APPLIES TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS -- WHICH MEANS IT APPLIES TO YOU.

Read it and weap for our country, your life
and our children's lives....

From Riverside,

Best ought to take the time and read this. You have just lost the right to habeas corpus - (you can now be put in the black hole hell, denied all rights and tortured) - or that will be the case when Bush signs this law. The 'great experiment' is done. There is no single news story, no topic of discussion as important as this. Yet, MSM whispers barely a word.

Ain't nobody gonna save us. Ain't nobody gonna tell. Ain't nobody gonna mourn us. Our passage into hell.

dr rw

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SEPTEMBER 29, 2006
Suffering and Death in a World of Empty Gesture, Form and Symbol (I): Among the Living Dead

[This discussion continues at Silber's blog:

from the blog: http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/09/suffering-and-death-in-worl...

by Arthur Silber
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Provisions of Military Commissions Act of 2006

The new 10 Commandments - not God's, but 'Satan's':

1. The new legislation criminalizes any challenge to the legislation's legality by the Supreme Court or any United States court.

2. The new legislation retroactively grants the Dictator/President, members of the administration and others (GEMIC) immunity from war crimes charges dating back to September 11 2001.

3. Any person who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, or any foreign citizen who (in the sole opinion of the Dictator/President) knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy (both as defined by the Dictator/President), may be treated as an 'unlawful enemy combatant'.

4. An 'unlawful enemy combatant'' is defined as anyone whom the Dictator/President deems to fit that vague description (i.e. literally anybody).

5. Unlawful enemy combatants may be seized, indefinitely detained and denied a hearing.

6. An 'unlawful enemy combatant' may be tried by a Military Commission and be subject to such punishment as the commission may direct.

7. Habeas corpus has been suspended for detainees suspected (by the Dictator/President) of terrorism or of aiding terrorism (as defined by the Dictator/President - i.e. including you).

8. Warrantless searches of persons, houses, vehicles etc can be conducted and papers and other effects seized; and any items so seized can be used as evidence against suspects or detainees (including you) even where that evidence is held to be Illegally obtained.

9. Suspects and detainees (including YOU) can be tortured (the nature and extent of which is left to the Dictator/President to decide) in order to extract information from them; and any US officials who use cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment (in contravention of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions) are now shielded from prosecution.

10. Detainees (including YOU) can be tried by a Military Commission and will not have the right either to know the nature of the charges against them, or the evidence adduced in support of those charges. In addition, detainees are neither entitled to representation, nor to represent themselves, but must accept a military lawyer as their defender.

Somebody..... anybody, please tell me that I am wrong: otherwise, I'll see you all in 'Gitmo'. Or any of the other 700+ concentration camps now refurbished or built.
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the goals are fascism at home
perpetual war every where else
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"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

and as an addendum....

Posting this is not directed towards scaring anyone to shut up. It is to let you know, if you don't already, exactly what the Bushista regime is attempting to do. The Solution - if there is one - at least requires everyone to stand up and tell them F-you President AssWipe. Do not go willingly into that goodnight. 9/11 Truth is part of the battle to end the corporatist, CIA/secretist elitist influence in our country (both from the pukes and dems). And if anybody here (other than asswipe trolls) thinks this will not be a real battle (not just computers and video games and forums) then they haven't studied history very much. The fascists are very real. They kill very real. Death is very real. And any group willing to kill hundreds of thousands of foreign innocent children, mothers and fathers and thousands of American soldiers and New Yorkers in 9/11 (and god knows how many in the next false flag) will not hesitate to 'kill' dissent in our...OUR country any damn way they can. THEY are NOT Americans. And we have to fight them. Any damn way we can.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

Fear galvanizes some people and paralyzes others.

Sometimes I daydream about what methods of international conflict resolution we might have come up with if the unbelievably obscene amounts of money being burned up on weapons were channeled into nonviolent strategy. For instance, if we were truly interested in toppling a dictatorship, we might pepper the country with small, anonymous devices permitting high-speed internet access through satellites, which would inundate them with information, and allow them to safely and efficiently communicate among themselves. Devices that could be abandoned like Kleenex and never traced to an individual, in such plenty that another one would always be nearby. I'm sure Raytheon, et al., could come up with some fan-freaking-tastic stuff if we just rewrote their contracts.

My point being, the use of violence may in many cases be attributed to a failure of the imagination. Moreover, "they" do violence much better than we ever could.

I agree with

some of what you stated. But....
- the bulk of the people will not care; in denial and escapism (as is current), they will justify in their minds that some(many) be taken away. Just as it was done in the past. Much will be hidden by a media complicit in the process. Edward Bernays' principles have, are and will work as well as ever.
- you will have the option of disappearing into the masses and becoming a serf or you can choose to fight (perhaps hoplelssly), or you may have little choice if you have been outspoken (and they know who we are).
- whether you can fight as well as the 'pros' or not may well be a moot point.
- one thing that did occur to me... and it is not a 9/11-related strategy per se, would be for all on left who feel strongly engage in a massive, everywhere at once campaign to go from house to house, to every house and explain what their inaction and acquiescence will do to all. 60+ % are against the war. Explain that the manywho disagree with this administration will never again be able to express their belief that the war is wrong. Or anything else is wrong. And most people I meet are strongly anti-bush (and in my practice that includes many from all strata - except the elite). At least confront and persuade as the case may be and the journeys up and down the roads of America. Oh hell, I don't know. The only occurrence that has a chance of changing the course of this country is to have a critical mass of people who say No. No to Bush. No to censorship. No to intimidation. No to Evil.
- If there is another 9/11 the former thought may be irrelevant and all bets off.
- I do know I will not go willingly to my slaughter.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

Please excuse my posting again

The two or three or so main themes that are so strongly a part of Americans with the most central beingf freedom of speech and habea corpus (tho most simply know it as the right to a phone call, attorney and the right to confront your accusers....). Talk 9/11 to some, judiciously, but focus on what concerns almost all Americans and that is the right to talk, the right to justice, (and, even for some, including me, the right to bear arms). BushCo is taking all those away (two are certainly gone and the third will follow). .

That knowledged is what the fascists are afraid of because there are no more powerful beliefs in our culture than those. They may even outweigh manufactured terror.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

Oct 5?

Have you been following the World Can't Wait organization plans? Local groups are demonstrating in over 150 cities on Thursday, and they hope to run a full page ad in the NY Times on Wednesday condemning the assault on the Bill of Rights.

From Freedom to Fascism?

I'm just thinking of the scene where the woman holds up the slender pamphlet and says, "Here's the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. " How about taking them door-to-door, Jehovah's Witness style? I could do that.