V for Vendetta & 9/11 Truth demonstration on the 5th of November
Micahyah Mon, 10/02/2006 - 2:16pm
Members of the NC 9/11 Truth group (http://nc911truth.blogspot.com) met yesterday and we were throwing around ideas, and thought a good campaign would be to promote people doing youtube videos of 9/11 truth activism related to V for Vendetta, and possibly doing something on the mall on 11/5 with 9/11 truth activists dressed up as V.
The 5th of november is 2 days before election, and right after halloween, so people could get the masks/costumes for Halloween anyway.
The V for Vendetta 9/11 video clip is very popular and widespread throughout the 'net.
We have talked to the DC 9/11 Truth group and they are very interested.
Thoughts?
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I'm not going to push very far into this, but simply ask you a question. Can you imagine how that might be used to portray the movement as either a bunch of wacko's or violent revolutionaries? Loved the movie, but wouldn't necessarily emulate Guy Fawkes. How do you think the media and public would respond?
Never would think, i side
Never would think, i side with Jules one day (if this is Julian from truthmove), but he's right on the money with that.
V for Vendetta was a psyOP movie, setting up this movement as a "terror organisation".
Don't trust the Wacholski Brothers. They're part of the Insiders and MATRIX 2 was a hangout, linking Bush to Hitler but zero (public) opinion on 9/11 false flag.
Why wouldn't you think that?
Nico,
I'm sure we agree on a lot more than just this. Setting aside your more controversial theories for just a moment, we probably agree an a great deal. And I find your research fascinating, if for no other reason that I have learned a great deal about the state of broadcast technology. Even if they didn't use it on 9/11, you've got me thinking they might next time.
Ya, Max saw the plane. But we are certainly not going to argue about that. We don't hate you, we don't think that you will single-handedly destroy the movement, we don't spend time attaching your character, and as I've indicated before, we would rather not be in your editorial cross-hairs.
Just trying to keep the peace. We know we likely register as 'limited hangout' on your radar, but would prefer that you consider our actions naive rather than sinister. We don't think we are trying to fool anyone.
Why am I being so generous? I guess that you are one of the people who make all this interesting. All the people that rant with and at you would all miss you if you were gone. If only in some deep subconscious way.
TruthMove is trying to be a cooperative presence in the movement, while also keeping an eye on those who would undermine our efforts from without and within. Having met you and sensed that you do care about the general advancement of the movement, we would rather let you do your thing, and focus our critical attention elsewhere, than be constantly at odds with someone so ever present as yourself.
Peace.
Julian
International Truth Movement
http://www.truthmove.org
V for Vendetta was a psyOP movie... LOL
ewing2001 you are one wacky dude, that whole thing that you said there was pretty much all... crazy talk.
V for Vendetta was written over 20 years ago by the amazingly talented Alan Moore. He must have had quite alot of foresight to predict the future when writing it as a psyop hit piece to be used against the "movement" two decades later.
The Wacholski Brothers are "insiders"? Inside of what exactly? The Matrix 2 was government propoganda?
Take your tinfoil hat off and get some fresh air. You make the hard work of many people lookbad when you disperse your wild musings onto the internets.
It does invite that kind of critique
astute observation.
Then again, it does have appeal - revolutionary and radical appeal for sure - but one might argue that careful babysteps will not allow for sufficent change in due time. In other words: We might truly need a revolution, radical as it might sound.
Also, V didn't depict widespread armed insurgence, the people collectively hit the streets, and that was that. Not every revolution is a bloody struggle, just think of Eastern Germany, 1990.
PS: Now that Nico opposes my assessment, I'm even more in favor of it.
Your paranoia makes no
Your paranoia makes no sense, since i didn't respond on your "assessment", but on Micahyah.
I don't run this movement, so do whatever you think your sheeple mind thinks you have to do.
Btw, if you think, that Glasnost and the opening of berlin wall wasn't scripted and planned by globalist perps, then you must be more than naive.
I agree with "revolution", but since there isn't even the slightest sign and hope for also opposing false oppositions like Democratic Party and bogus anti war leaders like ANSWER and United for Peace, good luck - ;)
Maybe your NWO specialist DRG knows more... ; -
Seeing that you agree with Jules
and that I disagree with him, you disagree with me. Simple, isn't it? Unless you're "sheeple minded", possibly - you tell me.
i just bet.....
....that the govenment is just waiting for the first ill-conceived 9/11 truth act of desperation. they salivate over the idea of some poor frustrated 9/11 activist making a mistake - so they can pounce on us.
hell - i half expect them to design it themselves. a mini-Reichstag fire where they blame the 911 Truth movement.
i was recently disturbed by that recent V for Vendetta YouTube video because it did appear to end with a call for violence. it DID say that freedom was more important than a building.
well - sometimes buildings have innocent bystanders in them..... like the towers.
hell must have froze over because i agree with Nico that my first impression of V for Vendetta was that it appeared to come from a dark place - the other side - while seducing activists with its blatant 9/11 message.
i felt like the movie set us up for copycat crimes that would hang us all.
Why are you being so contentious?
"PS: Now that Nico opposes my assessment, I'm even more in favor of it."
You're kidding, right? Are you trying to win an argument, or talk about movement strategy? Being anti-Nico doesn't earn you any credit in the movement. Let's get back to 9/11 truth people dressed like Guy Fawkes.
"Guy Fawkes (April 13, 1570 – January 31, 1606), also known as Guido Fawkes, born in York, was an English soldier and member of a group of Roman Catholic conspirators who attempted to carry out the Gunpowder Plot on November 5, 1605.
The plot was an attempt to assassinate King James I of England (James VI of Scotland) and the members of both houses of the Parliament of England. To do this, Westminster Palace was to be blown up during the formal opening session of the 1605 Parliament, in which the king would address a joint assembly of both the House of Lords and the House of Commons. Guy Fawkes was in large part responsible for the later stages of the plan's execution." - Wikipedia
So you think we should dress up like someone who planned terror against his government bigger than 9/11 itself? Wow!!! I'm sure that will do wonders for a movement based on promoting facts. You haven't sold me. At present I would strongly recommend that no one take any action such as this.
I'd still be interested to hear some solid reasons why this is a good idea.
Listen, I'm not proposing violent action
but I'm not too fond of sitting around waiting for things to sort themselves out either. I don't know what the best course of action is, but I'm sure we will need to find a consensus on that pretty soon if we are to make a difference.
And regarding Nico, I'm not sure if I should argue with him - hell, I'm not even sure he's not a hologram^^
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V for Vendetta is a very mixed bag of symbolism and therefore its iconography needs to be handled with care. It was probably deliberate to so thoroughly confuse the message about the power of communicated truth -- V's appearance on tv, the letter Evie finds -- with the fundamental absurdity and very real danger of blowing up buildings.
I don't care much for the V mask as icon. What I do like is the image of the "little glasses girl" who so eagerly hears the truth from V and then speaks the truth herself -- saying "Bollocks!" to the fake news report, and spray-painting the symbol of resistance.
um, V for Ven was written
um, V for Ven was written long before 911. It's an anarchist parable.
Much of the story -- including the character V himself -- is metaphor. The author assumes that readers are familiar with such literary concepts.
I think we can all agree that simply "blowing up a bulding" isn't do shit except gives the perps more power -- that's why they're so fond of blowing up buildings.
Doesn't mean we can't take something valuable from the film (and yes, it should be emphasized that the "revolution" in the film was non-violent).
As for protesters wearing V masks, so long as they remain peaceful, who gives a shit?
Naturally we're all against terrorism -- that's why we're here.
Umm, were you replying to me?
Because wasn't I just addressing these so-called "literary concepts"?
Moreover, V for Vendetta as a comic book is pretty irrelevant.
Remember Remember
November 5th was a false flag op. Guy Fawkes was a patsy. I think this idea has legs. Count me in.
Remember Remember
The Fifth of November
Gunpowder, Treason and plot
Remember Remember
Eleventh of September
Government Treason and Plot
I see no reason
Why government Treason
Should ever be forgot.
you're in North Carolina?
What part of NC? Just wondering, as I am in Greenville, SC. 'Nuff said.
mandrake
V on The Mall
Great idea! Very exciting!
In fact, it's happenin'!
As of 10/6/06 V has been visiting the mall. He was a lone figure on that date, delivering petitions for redress of grievances at Dep't. of Justice, White house and Congress, regarding the Government’s violation of the war powers, tax, privacy and money clauses of the Constitution.
He was definitely not alone on the 14th when V turned out en masse (almost 100) to receive replies to these petitions.
See http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-11-18.htm for more photos and lotsa info.
And if you're not aware of this outfit, git on it now! They're already into the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, having been "on the case" for years now with a "class action" sort of affair, recently winning an injunction against the IRS. Oh yeah, they have ALL their i's dotted and their t's crossed, and they have a very high-powered, colorful attorney with a fascinating history in civil rights. Mark Lane, lawyer/scholar/teacher/author. (Just say "Wow".)
They want 1000's there for next time. How 'boutchoo? 'cuz, as I say, it's happenin'.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
“If money is wanted by Rulers who have
in any manner oppressed the People,
they may retain it
until their grievances are redressed,
and thus peaceably procure relief,
without trusting to despised petitions
or disturbing the public tranquility.”
1774, Journals of the Continental Congress, 1:105-113
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