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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

you watched it? were you there? if not, do you have a video of it? i would LOVE to see that scum Kristol squirm like Zelikow did when Gypsy owned his ass.

Here here. Throughout history, it has been the conservatives who fought for segregation, it was the conservatives who fought against equal rights (and they're still doing it, just replace the word "negroes" with "gays"), it was the conservatives who put Bush in office, which in turn brought us 9/11, the patriot act, torture, military tribunals for American citizens, and open corporate/fascist dictatorship...so why is there such a resistance to allowing that word to take on all the negative connotations that that ideology has brought us? Why do people like Alex Jones and all the guys who worship at the Church of Alex still want to be identified as "conservative" in the face of all the evils conservatives have wrought on this country?

you need to understand that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are highly subjective and have different meanings based on the particular context in which they are used.

Conservatism, in its most strict sense, simply means you desire to preserve something. in the modern American context this has meant that Conservatives have wanted to preserve Constitutional rule, be conservative with spending, and avoid foreign entanglements and wars except in cases of national vital interest. Republicans abandonded those ideal long ago, and conservatism is being redefined around the 9/11 religous myth into a philosophy of absolute corporate immunity, war profiteering, imperialism through preemptive war doctrine, and an absolute security state domestically.

Liberalism, in the 19th century context, actually WAS libertarianism/constitutionalism. In the modern context it has come to be associated with the welfare state, environmentalism, minority rights, labor interests, etc.

You're right absolutely that these terms mask the real debates and have become largely useless.

I think though, that there a a lot of people who have traditionally been Republicans, who reject the Bush/Cheney cabal and who still think of themselves as "Conservatives" and I would agree that in the modern context in which Conservative is used, this administration is NOT conservative. They are not trying to Preserve any aspect of traditional Americanism. They are trying to subvert our defining national heritage as a Constitutional Republic and replace that with their new Straussian "Ignoble Lie" in order to create an authoritarian security state. They have redefined foreign policy tprinciples that have stood for hundreds of years with the "Bush (zelikow) doctrine". They have spent more than all administrations previously combined, and only 1/3 of that is related to the war on terror.

So, to call this adminstration "Conservative" is an absolute affront to the term, both by its strictest root meaning, and its modern context.

come on... a libertarian is not a william f. buckley, and they are both allegedly "conservative." A 19th century jeffersonian liberal is not a bleeding heart save the sqirrels person. All of these people see the constitution being destroyed right now. Everyone sees our kids dying in the desert so bankers and oil men can facilitate the lining of theiir pockets We are killing hundreds of thousands of people who are simply trying to protect their homes and families and national soverignty. The people that come here are essentially against banker fascism, other than that, they need have nothing in common. Simply democrat or republican is an over simplification. I don't know exactly what to call alex jones, but I know he's not a democrat.

"We've all heard Alex on air use the term "fake conservatives" when he talks about people like Limbaugh and Coulter, and he uses the term "fake liberals" when he talks about people like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry."

Limbaugh & Coulter are fascists, & Hillary & Kerry are Republicans/Neocons in disguise.

(Hillary & Kerry were for the Iraq invasion, and they're giving Bush a free ride on everything!)

Sorry, I had little time, just a generalization. I know that many of the grassroots liberals are just as outraged by the dems as I am about the reps. But the truth is that the leaders of this march in Austin will block anyone from speaking that's not a "card carrying communist". This is a fact, because it happened a few times to me. Leftist gatekeeper, Chomsky want to be Bob Jensen, has personaly blocked me from speaking before. But when I put on the Scott Ritter event on with Debbie Russell this year I worked with Jensen, and he hated me. I told him what I thought of him and not to push me, and we had a successful event. But the left just couldn't get it through their heads that Ritter is conservative and against the war.