A Conversation with Nico Haupt 9/10/06 NY City

Please Listen to parts 1 and 2 of this conversation before commenting.

Update: links should be working now.

These aren't playing for me

Maybe because they're set to private? dunno

not working

Not working here either.

What's the problem? Just keeps being frozen at "loading..." ?

If you click onto the picture frame once more while it says "loading...", you'll get it started (in a new browser window).

RP, why don't you let your interview partner respond??

Radical Pragmatist,

I've now watched the first of the two clips. I must say, you seriously need to work on your interviewing skills and technique. You've kept asking question after question, and giving a statement after another statement of your own, without letting your interview target respond sufficiently at each point.

Kinda like Bill O'Reilly.

Also, your own statement came over pretty confused. Next time, prepare. Write down what you want to say. Make it concise. Make it short. Make it to the point. Practice. And do that before you switch on a camera.

I don't feel like wanting to watch your second clip now.

Same here.

It just says "loading..."

....in that case, just click onto the picture frame once more

If you click onto the picture frame once more while it says "loading...", you'll get it started (in a new browser window).

....in that case, just click onto the picture frame once more

If you click onto the picture frame once more while it says "loading...", you'll get it started (in a new browser window).

Sorry....links should be working now!

Radical Pragmatist

can someone give a download

can someone give a download link?

http://www.youtube.com/v/gBoA1FNzYyk

http://www.youtube.com/v/m2HkO-QwQDk

don't work for me..

Also .. keepvid.com is no go

Doesn't work for me...

:(
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I don't get it...its working fine for me

I always have trouble with You Tube on my Mac, but my PC plays it fine. Its definately checked for Public Use on YouTube. Any suggestions.Radical Pragmatist

It worked...

I refreshed the page, and it worked... You're a very good interviewer... I don't remember you being that good with me, but I don't know cause I can't see it.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Your interview is coming!

First I 'll be posting my interviews from the Democracy Now event with Barrie Zwicker. Don't take it personally.Radical Pragmatist

You...

Sumb_tch...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

'Splain please

why this guy is getting so much attention. I don't get it.

Could not

download second part. Said it was a "private video" and I had to get some kind of permission from owner.

Part One plays, not part two.

Maybe you have to re-up the video?

Just Re-uped Part 2......

Please try it again and let my know. Radical Pragmatist

Ok! Engage!

Thanks RP. Everything play goody now.

I suppose Nico’s not that

I suppose Nico’s not that bad a person, he seems like a good enough guy, maybe a little quirky. But regardless he has been damaging everyone’s credibility with all the “no planes” bs and I’m glad he’s worked that out now. To be honest though I blame people like Morgan Reynolds, he’s far more suspect then Nico. Nico’s probably just innocently being a f*cktard lol.

Thats one of the reasons I

Thats one of the reasons I posted this......to put a little humanity and rationality back in to our debates and disagreements. I hope Nico does likewise.Radical Pragmatist

Hate to sound like my mom, but . . .

he looks a lil shifty-eyed to me. The interviewer talked about "ego" - looks like an ego thing to me, more than someone who believes what he's saying. I don't think he believes 98% of what he's saying. That's just my bull-shit detector going off here.

No

I think you need to reset your bull-shit detector.

Or maybe just focus on the substance.

Yes, the interviewer talked about ego, right after Haupt got exacerbated and said "whatever, I've had it, I won't talk about it for a few months." Then the interviewer said "Aha! So it's about your ego!"

But I can't criticize the interviewer, because I really appreciate him doing the interview, and think he did a good job and let Haupt speak his mind. The interviewer spoke his own mind, a bit more than I wanted, but not too much at all.

I'm just saying that your "ego" thing is not supported by the interview as a whole, and seems to be based on what the interviewer said at the end.

RP, why don't you let your interview partner respond??

Radical Pragmatist,

I've now watched the first of your two clips. I must say, you seriously need to work on your interviewing skills and technique. You've kept asking question after question, and you gave statement after statement of your own, without letting your interviewed target respond sufficiently at each point.

Kinda like Bill O'Reilly does it....

Also, your own statements came over pretty confused. Next time, prepare. Write down what you want to say. Make it concise. Make it short. Make it to the point. Practice. And do that before you switch on a camera.

I don't feel like wanting to watch your second clip now.

That's where he responds.

Maybe that's why RP asked you to watch both clips before commenting?

Point Taken

Point taken....thats why I called this a conversation and not an interview. All of your points are valid.....but please understand that this was filmed at about one in the morning, I'm not a journalist, I've never done anything like this before( just a an average guy with a camcorder and a passion for 911 Truth activism) and this conversation came after a few hours of great conversation and debate with many truthers at this Pub. With me, as I filmed this conversation, was Alex Jones and his crew, Jack Blood, Dustin Mungford(911revisited)a russian film maker who was following Nico and many others. Lets just say I've got alot of adrenaline and Brooklyne ale flowing through me.
I hope you listen to the 2nd part.....Nico responds at length to my questions and commentary.Radical Pragmatist

This was attack journalism

This was attack journalism trying to ram your point of view down Nico's throat and make him look bad. You took it late at night after Nico had been drinking, a shot of his beer you went out of your way to make!

The truth is the truth. What you are advocating is that we lie or cover up the truth rather than tell it. Your same arguments were used by Kyle Hence and 911turth.org at first about the Pentagon and the explosives when I first entered the movement. Hence went out of his way to prevent Eric Hufschmid from telling about the explosives in San Francisco. You are asking us to manipulate the public. What happens when the whole thing starts to unravel and the truth comes out? If we will distort and lie, what makes us any more credible than they? Nico is right. The media is primary tool of the neo-cons and their cohorts. By telling the truth about the TV fakery, we expose the media. As long as they get a pass, they will just continue to misdirect the public.

I couldn’t give a shit if

I couldn’t give a shit if this is the real Jimmy Walter or not, that was just the dumbest thing I have ever read, period! The media complicity can be exposed through the fact that THERE IS A JOURNALISTIC BLACKOUT ON INVESTIGATING 9/11! "No planes hit the wtc" is the biggest load of disinfo crap imaginable, in fact hang on its not, how about you embrace the "NUT" theory Jimmy? You know the "No Universe Theory", forget all the stars in the sky they’re all planted, and those Astronomers looking through telescopes, well they’re all paid off agents. I hope this is the real Jimmy Walter because even though I admire what he's done, the guy is a sucker for bs. I remember seeing him push the "pod" disinfo a while back, and now I guess that’s not wild enough because he's got the "no planes/tv fakery" credibility destroying bunk disinfo on his website, the real Jimmy Walter needs to get a f*cking clue.

I agree Jimmy! We The People

I agree Jimmy!

We The People of the world have to STOP trying to please these goofy Wizards of Oz on these controlled propaganized TV/cable networks. It's so silly. It's such a complete waste of time.

Nico is right on. But I will go one better......We The People ARE the media!

And to prove this all one has to do is check out Google Trends:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=911+truth&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

The phrase "911 truth" - not the website - is rising like a massive phoenix from the dark lies and ashes of 9/11.

Step ONE (1) - TURN OFF THE TV

Step TWO (2) - TURN ON your mind.

Step THREE (3) - STOP giving up your power to others in this vain, silly attempt to please them.

Step FOUR (4) - START believing the truth.

Step FIVE (5) - START living and being the truth.

Peace and God Bless,

Fred

Yeah, you may have come across just a bit biased . . .

but you raised questions that everyone seems to have, and you did a good job bringing those questions forth, and Haupt got to say his piece, so I have nothing but gratitude for your interview.

What are you talking about?

First, if you didn't care enough about the substance to watch the second clip, you shouldn't be commenting on the first clip. This isn't film school.

Second, I think his technique was fine. As I said before, he showed a bit of bias, but he did a fine job and a great service by doing this interview.

NIco Haupt - no planes

Just because the interviewer is too obtuse to see the obvious (no planes hit the WTC), he doesn't have to stoop to attack dog journalism to try and discredit Haupt.

He sounds just like O'Reilly.

Well guess what! No planes hit the WTC. It's so obvious. Once you stop running around in circles chasing the "selected" chosen theories (approved by the perps and their cointelpro people in the movement), you will see that it's always been in (no) "plane sight"

I figured it out on my own by distancing myself from all you self-seeking shills and contelpro agents. Haupt only helped me to see how the media did it.

The media was not just a passive observer or an enabler in the mass murder of 9/11, they were one of the major perps.

I suggest you watch the video, "The Revolution Will not be Televised" if you would like to see how the attempted coup against Chavez was orchestrated entirely by the media. Then come back and tell me that our mainstream media is not simply the Ministry of Propaganda.

If you disagree with the "no planes" theory, then why do you react to vehemently against it. "Thou doest protest too much?" Why not just dismiss his theory and get on with your life (unless you feel his theories are a threat to exposing the real truth)

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Radical Pragmatist: Are you disrupting, and do you understand why people think that?

Nico Haupt: Ok, first of all, I agree, I'm disrupting the movement, but I'm disrupting the movement since day one because I want to have real activism.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

It is not just his theories

Not only does Nico forward absurdust theories - he is guilty of blood-thirsty attacks against virtually every legitimate researcher in this movement - except his fellow absurdist researchers.

now - people are allowed to disagree on evidence and conclusions. speculation is all fine and good. but why is it that Nico also feels the need to call 911Truth.org a government operation and David Kubiack a "spook" infiltrator, and Michael Ruppert an infiltrator, and MYSELF and infiltrator, with lie after lie after lie after lie after insult after insult after insult.

now - i have a nice database of quotes coming from Haupt. i suppose i could reproduce them here. but - i think everyone here has seen Haupt's accusations and insults.

If Nico believes in TVFakery - fine. enjoy. prove it. but - it is the attacks upon other activists that is the central issue here.

And this seems to be the case with ALL of the absurdist researchers. Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood recently published a hit-piece against Stephen Jones that FAR exceeded scientific review. it was mean spirited and personal.

why?

why is THIS particular group SO intent on pushing absurdist theories - while also seemingly disrupting and attack legitimate researchers?

connect the dots folks.

Can't say I care to watch it

Can't say I care to watch it now.

jimmywalter is probably correct.

We US Americans have a habit of being unfair.. and not even noticing that we do it.

It is embedded into our 'culture'.

Dem Bruce calling Nico a FUCKTARD is in keeping with his demeanour.

Have you heard the v991t.org interview on vyzygoth.com? fantastic.. and funny.

Since when

are you a US American, u2?

great! GO Nico!

great!

GO Nico!

What happens when the movement gets all wrapped up in itself

I'm not going to make this a personal attack on Nico or NPT, except to say I don't put much stock in either. It is fine for a movement to have diversity of opinion, and it is also important for part of that to be making clear that some opinions are more widely held than others and why that is so. Censoring people/ideas like Nico is counterproductive and puts us on the same level as the Daily Kos. Now that said, I think another important issue here is that instead of being self-obsessed, the movement should be reaching out. If all the movement does is argue about Nico and his "disruptiveness" then he can't be blamed 100% for the effect he has on the movement. If on the other hand real truthers are getting out into the streets, talking to the public about what we know and not about what we don't know, then we have every reason to be confident in the public responding positively to us and seeing disinfo (wherever it may originate) for what it is. I know that when I introduce someone to the issues, they will be very unlikely to see NPT as a serious topic in the movement. On the other hand, when 911blogger becomes a forum for arguing about NPT, the issue takes on an aura of importance that it doesn't deserve. In this sense the movement is beginning to resemble the MSM in that airtime is filled with distractions to the exclusion of real discussion of real issues. The antidote to this is of course new blood, people who inject a fresh view of the issues and come in with no preconceived notions of who is who and what is what. On a national level, this means reaching out to the broad spectrum of demographics that become interested in 9/11 truth when they are exposed to facts (not speculation). As Billy Bragg sings "Theirs is a land with a wall around it, mine is a faith in my fellow man." I have faith in the people doing the right thing (no, Nico that doesn't mean revolution in the streets) when they find out the truth. I'm never going to tell people what they have to do--I think most people can figure that out for themselves. What I will do is voice my views and encourage others to do the same, and to think critically and outside the box while maintaining some discipline with regard to facts versus speculation.

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