Social Proof

Social Proof.

Re-posted in light of the new poll:

"The reason that the national Zogby Poll on 9/11 is so important can be boiled down to 2 words: Social Proof.

Social proof is the principle from sociology that many people will believe something if most other people believe it (see also this article). In other words, its the herd instinct.

The reason that the mainstream media has totally boycotted the real evidence contradicting the official 9/11 story, even though it is all over the Internet, is that the media owners know that if it doesn't appear on Fox, or CNN, or the other mainstream tv networks, many Americans will assume the social proof is that "everyone" accepts the official story. So they won't question it themselves.

But some 70 million Americans are now calling for a new, real 9/11 investigation. To put that in perspective, approximately 122 million Americans voted in the 2004 election. So 70 million is a fairly impressive number.

Now, for the first time, the poll provides social proof that the 9/11 Commission covered up the true facts of 9/11, and that we need a new, impartial investigation. In other words, millions of Americans who would otherwise not even consider the evidence which contradicts the official version of 9/11 may now accept calls for a new investigation. If we use this correctly, we can go from facing an impossible task of overcoming resistance to 9/11 truth to having a majority of Americans demand a real investigation.

Therefore, virtually every press release or statement about 9/11 should include a reference to the poll to show people that many Americans are 9/11 truthers who scoff at the 9/11 Commission as a fraud and that demand a real 9/11 investigation.

This is leverage ... use it."

Show "OLD STALINISTS NEVER DIE, they just fade into the Establishment" by Myra99 (not verified)

dz, is it possible to put a

dz, is it possible to put a size limit on posts? Eg. posts longer than n lines get cut and have a "read entire post" link on the bottom.

seriously that post needs to

seriously that post needs to go...

cut and paste stream of consciousness

I would say that I was impressed with the time spent on this post, but I think the points could have been in made in one quarter the space. And most of the contents are pasted from other sources, implying that links could have been provided instead of full text. It seems the poster is not familiar with discussion forum etiquette. There's a couple of good points buried in there.

The only real inconvenience for most of us is having to scoll a lot. Ehh...whatever. If this person starts doing this in every thread, we have a problem.

International Truth Movement

We're winning

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11. 81% of Americans now believe the government is either hiding something or lying to us about 9/11.

I'd say we're winning the battle for social proof.

Maybe this explains why George W. Bush just bought a farm in Paraguay, according to a Latin American News Agency report:


Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.

The news circulated Thursday in non-official sources in Asuncion, Paraguay.

D Elia considered this Bush step counterproductive for the regional power expressed by Presidents Nestor Kirchner, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.

He said that "it is a bad signal that the Bush family is doing business with natural resources linked to the future of MERCOSUR."

The official pointed out that this situation could cause a hypothetical conflict of all the armies in the region, and called attention to the Bush family habit of associating business and politics >>

We're winning...

Yay. I wish it was in my home. I haven't had a guenuine conversation with my housemate for going on two months--since he verbally atacked me for saying the highjackers were just patsies.(fortunatly it's more of a duplex arrangment; we each have our own kit, toliet, etc.)

This is a man who trusts the Bush admin on NOTHING else, yet can swallow whole the "official conspiracy theory". What still pisses me off is that he didn't even ask what I meant before going off like an M80. And this man has a degree in mathematics--I know, not a directly relevant field, but I expect someone who's been to university to make a better argument than "don't be ridiculous!".

Any ideas on that psychology? My ex says he just can't believe Bush & Co. are evil as opposed to incompetent.

We'll that's me. It's late, thanks for listening.

We're winning, yay. Wish it felt like it...

He's in denial and shock.

He's in denial and shock. The immediate emotional reaction and the complete lack of curiosity (from a math student!) shows that he already knows your right on a subconscious level. Tell him he's acting like a brat and that verbally attacking someone for their views is unacceptable to you. Other than that there's not much you can do really. Ignore him, he's just one person.

(I assume from what you write that he's not your boyfriend/husband or anything. If he is then dump his sorry ass.)

ideas on that psychology

two possible explanations for folks who are smart enough to know better but seem not to:

1) as mentioned above, denial and shock and all that stuff--this means they'll get over it once they adjust, once the fever braks, once they come to terms with reality. there is hope for these folks.

2) this one is more sinister--there are plenty of people who have volunteered to prop up the official conspiracy theory because they like the implications. they know it's a lie and probably have for a while, but to them it is a noble lie. or they just hate ragheads and think anything underhanded that is done to them is just dandy. These are the liars that permeate the upper reaches of the media and academia. They must be made to understand two things--as people come around to the truth, they are beginning to stick out like sore thumbs and there will be consequences for those who persist in perpetuating lies for too long. Ëveryone was doing it" may fly in high school, but we're talking treason here. By now they should know better than to drag this out longer than it needs to be.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force



is rooted in fear, and the thought of a vast, sinister and ruthless conspiracy is scary. What the people need to understand is that the conspirators are not as all-powerful as they'd like us to believe, and there is no reason to be intimidated if we stick together and stand up in numbers.

This is the crux, imo.

very true bruce

I make sure to tell everyone I talk to about this that we are winning, and that all this talk about camps and habeas corpus interruptus, etc. is just a way of scaring us into inaction. I might be watched, followed, or whatever, but I have no fear of these punks. If they kill me I'll live on as a martyr and they will still go down. Big deal, bring it on. The only people who should be crapping their pants right now are those involved in the crime and coverup. Their day of reckoning is fast approaching, and boy is it gonna rain down hard on them. Kind of like a building being collapsed on top of them--how fitting.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


I don't understand it

I really don't. BushCo is NOT incompetent. They are highly competent at setting and executing their agenda. This agenda does NOT include protecting the average American citizen; see Katrina. It's all about priorities, not competence.

As I said in an earlier post, we need to BASH this incompetence argument by pointing out how successful they have been, up until very recently, in exploiting public goodwill for their own monetary gain and exclusivity of power.

DEAD Americans are "collateral damage" to these people. See, lack of adequate body armor for troops.

Pointing out their COMPETENCE in carrying out their agenda not only debunks the incompetency argument, it illustrates the cold and heartless precision of this administration in executing it's global dominance agenda.

Thanks all, with the ideas & support...

And, no, dreadwolf, he's not my boyfriend, though I did consider shagging him once.

I'd go with the fear/denial angle--except you'd think after five years of lies from these people an intelligent man/woman would get a clue.

I actually agree with you, mandrake; they're VERY competent about being bastards.


"Bugger this; I want a better world."

Hope? / False hope?

No advertising is bad advertising at this stage of the game.

I've said this for three years, sorry to sound like a broken-record, but the coming election is the flash-point, and the threatened majority seem all too eager to play dumb. The gods of anti-war; "-Oh me, Oh my! How come more Democrats didn't win...?"

Actually, what I had said is that the Media is pushing us to accept the 11-year position. You know, that point when the Warren Commission's files were so hopelessly scrambled that, well, "-nothing you can do will bring Jack, back!" "-You idiot, just let it go!" Talk about waiting to exhale, I was one of those who was, and is still too angry to see "JFK." This must be understood in the context that any 'documentarian' director, post WWII, should be hung as a traitor for perpetuating any false illusions about history.

Aaaaah, America. The 'selling' of Corporatism requires that we endenture the world to our cultural norms, whatever they are. Every corner of the globe is hip-hoppin' and 'rappin' to M-TV. Watch that shit for over an hour and I would hope most foreigners would say; "Nuke them all!" -Just make sure LA goes first, because it will be the second time in History that TV outperformed Film, and good old fashioned live story telling. [Under oath!]

Visually, our "Rebellion" isn't prevalent enough. Of course, I can't trust Americans to wrap their heads around the concept of 'visuals' because they abhor the visuals all around them. There's no good reason our cities don't all resemble the grand Boulevards of Paris, except that there's so much money in pushin' crack. In fact, everytime I think about Gotham, I get that endless Central Park, visual-loop: "It's Not Safe!"

Livin' in America is like so many episodes of "Dog Day Afternoon."

...Think maybe we'll get lucky and see a real shoot-out today?

Can't make sense of your comment.

I can't make sense of your comment. I honestly don't have a clue what your point is (or your multiple points).

There are two options:

* either you try to adapt (for a moment, before you start writing) to your expected readership (many of whom would be here for the first time), and try to express your thoughts in a clear, concise way,

* or I'll simply stop reading your comments, and start skipping over them.

From the looks of things,

methinks some people are posting on here whilst stoned. BUI. Blogging Under the Influence.