The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz

(I'm posting this so people can get a feeling for just how un-Jewish and arrogant the people who run Israel actually are;)

The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz

[Sharon]: "You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Just note that I don't hate Arabs. On the contrary. Personally, I am much more at ease with them, and especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we haven't yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational, cruel and generous. It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology".
"Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi state as does Leibowitz. Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like Ghadafi. I am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need their love. I don't need to be loved by Jews like you either. I have to live, and I intend to ensure that my children will live as well. With or without the blessing of the Pope and the other religious leaders from the New York Times. I will destroy anyone who will raise a hand against my children, I will destroy him and his children, with or without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that he who won't kill will be killed by others. That is an iron law".
"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the so-called civilised world".
"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."
"I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank God for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered - just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If anything would happen to your child, God forbid, you would talk like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that!"
......We are talking while sitting on the balcony of the pretty country house belonging to C. which is situated in a prosperous Moshav. To the west we see a burning sunset and there is a scent of fruit trees in the air. We are being served iced coffee in tall glasses. C. is about fifty years old. He is a man well known for his (military) actions. He is a strong, heavy figure wearing shorts but no shirt. His body is tanned a metallic bronze shade, the colour of a blond man living in the sun. He puts his hairy legs on the table and his hands on the chair. There is a scar on his neck. His eyes wander over his plantations. He spells out his ideology in a voice made hoarse by too much smoking:
"Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of the war in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are different Jews, clean and decent. Just like the assimilated Jew in Vienna and Berlin begged the anti-Semite not to confuse him with the screaming, stinking Ostjude, who had smuggled himself into that cultural environment out of the dirty ghettos of Ukraine and Poland. It won't help them, those clean Yids, just as it did not help them in Vienna and Berlin. Let them shout that they condemn Israel, that they are all right, that they did not want and don't want to hurt a fly, that they always prefer being slaughtered to fighting, that they have taken it upon themselves to teach the gentiles how to be good Christians by always turning the other cheek. It won't do them any good. Now they are getting it there because of us, and I am telling you, it is a pleasure to watch."
"They are the same Yids who persuaded the gentiles to capitulate to the bastards in Vietnam, to give it in to Khomeini, to Brezhnev, to feel sorry for Sheikh Yamani because of his tough childhood, to make love not war. Or rather, to do neither, and instead write a thesis on love and war. We are through with all that. The Yid has been rejected, not only did he crucify Jesus, but he also crucified Arafat in Sabra and Shatila. They are being identified with us and that's a good thing! Their cemeteries are being desecrated, their synagogues are set on fire, all their old nicknames are being revived, they are being expelled from the best clubs, people shoot into their ethnic restaurants murdering small children, forcing them to remove any sign showing them to be Jews, forcing them to move and change their profession.
"Soon their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids, go to Palestine! And you know what? They will go to Palestine because they will have no other choice! All this is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me, wasn't it worth it? Soon we will hit on good times. The Jews will start arriving, the Israelis will stop emigrating and those who already emigrated will return. Those who had chosen assimilation will finally understand that it won't help them to try and be the conscience of the world. The 'conscience of the world' will have to understand through its arse what it could not get into its head. The gentiles have always felt sick of the Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will have only one option: to come home, all of them, fast, to install thick steel doors, to build a strong fence, to have submachine guns positioned at every corner of their fence here and to fight like devils against anyone who dares to make a sound in this region. And if anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms. We'll go on until he no longer feels like it..."
"...You probably want to know whether I am not afraid of the masses of Yids coming here to escape anti-Semitism smearing us with their olive oil until we go all soft like them. Listen, history is funny in that way, there is a dialectic here, irony. Who was it who expanded the state of Israel almost up the boundaries of the kingdom of King David? Who expanded the state until it covered the area from Mount Hermon to Raz Muhammad? Levi Eshkol. Of all people, it was that follower of Gordon, that softie, that old woman. Who, on the other hand, is about to push us back into the walls of the ghetto? Who gave up all of Sinai in order to retain a civilised image? Beitar's governor in Poland, that proud man Menahem Begin. So you can never tell. I only know one thing for sure: as long as you are fighting for your life all is permitted, even to drive out all the Arabs from the West Bank, everything."
"Leibowitz is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? Listen, a people that gave itself up to be slaughtered, a people that let soap to be made of its children and lamp shades from the skin of its women is a worse criminal than its murderers. Worse than the Nazis ... If your nice civilised parents had come here in time instead of writing books about the love for humanity and singing 'Hear O Israel' on the way to the gas chambers, now don't be shocked, if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!"
"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care. And I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. Then you can spruce up your Jewish conscience and enter the respectable club of civilised nations, nations that are large and healthy. What you lot don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. True, it could have been finished in 1948, but you interfered, you stopped it. And all this because of the Jewishness in your souls, because of your Diaspora mentality. For the Jews don't grasp things quickly. If you open your eyes and look around the world you will see that darkness is falling again. And we know what happens to a Jew who stays out in the dark. So I am glad that this small war in Lebanon frightened the Yids. Let them be afraid, let them suffer. They should hurry home before it gets really dark. So I am an anti-Semite? Fine. So don't quote me, quote Lilienblum instead [an early Russian Zionist - ed.]. There is no need to quote an anti-Semite. Quote Lilienblum, and he is definitely not an anti-Semite, there is even a street in Tel Aviv named after him". (C. quotes from a small notebook that was lying on his table when I arrived:)
'Is all that is happening not a clear sign that our forefathers and ourselves ... wanted and still want to be disgraced? That we enjoy living like gypsies.' That's Lilienblum. Not me. Believe me. I went through the Zionist literature, I can prove what I say".
"And you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary. Let's make a deal: I will do all I can to expel the Arabs from here, I will do all I can to increase anti-Semitism, and you will write poems and essays about the misery of the Arabs and be prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles. How about it?"
It was there that I stopped C.'s monologue for a moment and expressed the thought passing through my mind, perhaps more for myself than for my host. Was it possible that Hitler had not only hurt the Jews but also poisoned their minds? Had that poison sunk in and was still active? But not even that idea could cause C. to protest or raise his voice. After all, he said to have never shouted under stress, even during the famous operations his name is associated with.

talk about paranoid conspiracy theorists!

Just like Hitler was. And it may be disturbing but should not be all that surprising that modern Israel has emulated Nazi Germany in many ways.

What is more disturbing is that as Israeli activist Gilad Atzmon has pointed out, Israel has exported this awful racist ideology of Zionism to the world in the form of American neo-conservatism.

Of course the campaign to tar all effective resistance to these realities as anti-semitic and hateful is quite simply the best strategy the perpetrators of this atheistic and amoral NON JUDAIC philosophy of conquer through hatred and division have to keep the world, INCLUDING Jews everywhere from uniting against them.

So quite literally, the tactic of throwing around accusations of anti-semitism is in fact what is hurling the world towards destruction. Were the world's people (and I do stress Americans) able (or allowed) to have honest discussions that were not policed by the electric fence of bigoted accusations, all people, including Jews, would understand who the really dangerous hate-mongers are, and the methods they use to evade detection and resistance.

Make no mistake--9/11 Truth is the only medicine to fight this evil scourge. That is why Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky should be ashamed of themselves. They are either too cowardly or too blinded by... something to see what they are enabling with their silence. They are helping to plunge the world intio endless racist wars. Ironic? Sure. Surprising? Kind of. You would think that they would be able to find the common human decency they have always seemed to embody. If however they do not rise to the challenge of our times they should be footnoted into history, if at all, that their memory not further taint the growing movement in the world towards a new consciousness that does not feed itself with racism, lies, or historical grudges.

We will evolve. Will they? The world waits for each one of us to step up with our answer.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Exactly dude, well said!

Exactly dude, well said!

If you follow the link in

If you follow the link in the source ( you will find that the identity of the interviewee has since come into doubt.

This is kind of weird;

This is kind of weird;

From muscle to mystery

The Sharon I loathed changed dramatically two years ago; but just how far was he travelling towards reconciliation?

Amos Oz
Saturday January 7, 2006
The Guardian,10551,1681125,00.html

"For all those decades I resented him. He symbolised for me everything I could not stand about my country: violent self-righteousness, a mixture of brutality and self-pity, insatiable greed for land and a mystical religious phraseology that, coming from a secular hedonistic soldier, always struck me as hypocritical. There was no other individual who personified the intoxication of many Israelis with the power of power."

(^Right so that's just about everything totally inline with the tone of the interview, but then there's this;)

"I have never met him personally. I have never been in the same room with him. People say that in a small circle Sharon is a warm-hearted, generous, entertaining man. People say that he is a charmer with a lively sense of humour, a lover of good food and luxury. I always refused to be impressed by such impressions. I loathed him for being the enemy of peace."

(WTF? Seems to me like the interview is probably legit, but because it's so explosive Oz has distanced himself from it for one reason or another. "I have never met him personally. I have never been in the same room with him." looks like he's trying too hard to make that point I think.)

Will Poster Post a Retraction, or Substitute Other Lies ???

Many journalists took the claim that it was Sharon at face value, as did for example the editor of Rocky Mountain News who just issued the following statement:


By Holger Jensen, Scripps Howard News Service, 4/15/02

This is a mea culpa. I made a grievous error in not verifying the authenticity of 20-year-old quotes attributed to Ariel Sharon that I used in my April 12 column on the Israeli leader. As it turns out, they were made not by Sharon but another unnamed Israeli soldier who died 11years ago. The interview in question was conducted by Amos Oz, one of Israel's leading authors and prominent in the Peace Now movement. He had access to many Israeli generals and politicians of that era but identified some of his interview subjects only by letters of the alphabet, leaving it up to his readers to decide who they were...

(Holger Jensen is international editor of the Rocky Mountain News. E-mail:

Possibly more important than whether it was Sharon

is that this worldview exists. I sincerely doubt he is the sole individual in the world who believes this.


That's one of the worst excuses I've ever heard--kind of like "sure Bush failed to show up for his military service, but those documents that say so are FORGED!"

So we still know that Bush was derelict and Israeli soldiers have had incredibly sick and racist worldviews, which they got from....?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force




Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Coming from You, It's Real(LIE) the Truth...

Clever puns don't cut it....facing the truth is what matters.

Note that NO ONE poster has dared to issue a retraction, bu just as I expected, they just react with more lies.

If there really was such a soldier, and if the interview was valid, it would appear that he was an arrogant asshole. And if there was an arrogant asshole in the IDF, I suppose it depends on your POV as to whether you wish to make it universal (hard to believe you can't find one rotten apple in the armed forces of any country).

But those who claim that Sharon said these things, and don't have the intelligence to first verify their sources, or the integrity to acknowledge they were wrong, may or amy not be assholes, but certainly are hypocrites.

So you posted Rocky Mountain's retraction...

Not knowing whether or not it was accurate? Shame on you, Shalom! Here I was basing my suggestion that the post be corrected on your claim, and now here you are accusing me of something because I took you at your word. Aren't you kind of causing more confusion this way?

The IDF is institutionally rotten and you know it Shalom. That's why there is a Refusenik movement. That's why Amnesty International condemns them. Ethnic cleansing is their mission in the territories and you know that too. Anyone who bothers to look into the issue knows this. Then of course there's you and the rest of the army of cyber PR hacks running around making excuses for every single valid criticism of Israel. Maybe if you could let just one valid criticism go by without complaining we could move on to other subjects!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


It's YOUR Threshold for Truth That's the Issue

Anyone with a whit on common sense would suspect taking this interview at face value - it's your right to believe Sharon thinks this way, but if he had ever spoken in this manner, this so-called interview would be on the frong pages of the NYT, Washington Post, and so on. It was this patently false tone that led me to question it's veracity. If you require further debunking, see the link below - don't take it on faith that me that this is bogus, and in fact the way the noxious emissions of Holger Jensen were purged from the clean air of the Rocky Mountain State...

In your response, you bring forth a whole bunch of other baggage, so it is clear that you bring a set of pre-held beliefs to this news item. I just hope that the threshold of proof you used to make these other determinations was higher than the one that led you to accept this fabrication.

I am still waiting for the blogger who posted this dishonest title to issue a retraction.

I, like you, would like this forum to focus on the certifiable events of 9/11, and leave the speculation and outside agendas on the outside, where they belong.


Amos Oz never met nor interviewed Sharon. In fact, the so-called “interview” was a literary device taken from Oz's book “In the Land of Israel.” In the English version, the interviewee's identity is not revealed, and is referred to as Z (Flamingo/Fontana 1983).

Apparently, Palestinian propagandists substituted Sharon's name for Z in the Davar interview. The description of Z does not fit Sharon, and at one point Z refers to Sharon, Begin and General Eitan.

In a telephone conversation with journalist Holger Jensen, who had misattributed these quotes to Sharon, Amos Oz confirmed that he had never met nor interviewed Sharon. For more information on Holger Jensen's misuse of these quotes in the Denver Rocky Mountain News (“Obsessed Sharon applies brutal philosophy to advance Zionism,” April 13, 2002), read CAMERA's update on Holger Jensen's resignation.

May 7, 2002 by Ricki Hollander

Update: Holger Jensen Resigns to Pursue Other Interests (SEE BELOW)

On April 12, 2002, Denver's Rocky Mountain News International Editor Holger Jensen launched a malicious attack on Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon entitled “Obsessed Sharon Applies Brutal Philosophy to Advance Zionism” in which he falsely attributed to him viciously anti-Arab quotes, including:

“Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint.”

“Even if you prove to me that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough.”

“Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered, just one! If anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms.”

“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us…”

Jensen claimed that these quotes were taken from an interview Sharon gave to Amos Oz during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, published in the now-defunct Israeli daily Davar on December 17, 1982.

In fact, Sharon made no such statements; Oz had never interviewed or even met Sharon.

On April 16, 2002, Jensen was forced to recant, admitting he had “made a grievous error in not verifying the authenticity of 20-year-old quotes attributed to Ariel Sharon… As it turns out, they were made not by Sharon but another unnamed Israeli soldier who died 11 years ago…”

The Sharon column had been only the latest to come under harsh criticism for its inaccuracy, misinformation and partisanship.

Shortly after Jensen's retraction, he “resigned to pursue other interests.” Archives of his articles have been removed from the web pages of the Rocky Mountain News.

Bush Sr. Homosexual Prostitution Worse than Foleygate !!

It occured to me that while we spar over things Sharon didn't say, we should be focusing on what the Bushes may very well have DONE -
Get the popcorn out, pour yourself a glass of wine (at Harvard, they say "In vino, veritas), and contemplate the following:

(It is amazing to me that this thread has not been mentioned in the current "Foleygate" - a much more sinister record of the Bush Family)


In the high stakes world of global politics, it is common practice to procure sexual favors in the hopes to gain leverage or to gain power through blackmail. It's done all the time. The Soviets did it. The Americans do it, and many other countries as well. This following is the bizarre and very real child sexual prostitution ring involving the Republican elite of Washington. And the trail leads right up to George H. W. Bush. Read the chilling story.


KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, [U.S. Attorney Jay] Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.